Newbie 2079 | Open House | Game Over!!!

[GeorgeBailey]

Newbie 2079 | Open House

Back-up Mod: Datisi

Hi everyone! Nowadays the housing market is so expensive that almost nothing seems affordable!

Fortunately for you, I will be showing some of the finest places my agency has to offer. Most of these are quite the bargain if you don't mind the location!

Unfortunately my camera is a little dusty so some of the photos may not look exactly right.

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Player List:

1. Connordragon07
   DaTacoX
   
   Noksve
   MargotRosa
   RegRider
   RH9
   camelCasedSnivy
   CheekyTeeky (SE)
   
   flow trap (SE)
   CatBoi
   Prism (SE)

* = Prod

Dead:

Spoiler:

RegRider - Vanilla Town
DaTacoX - Vanilla Town

Events

• 4 Day 1 Start
  
• 215 MargotRosa replaces Noksve
  
• 521 Day 1 Elimination
  
  

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• 524 Day 2 Start

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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[GeorgeBailey]

Rules

Completely stolen from Plotinus

IMPORTANT BIT

1. Days: 10 days, Day2+: 7 days / Night: 2 days
   
2. Majority eliminations
   
3. 36 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement, 24 hour weekends
   
4. Bah posts allowed (limit: 1, free of game related content)
   
5. I have some unusual rules about tiny text, and prodging. Scroll down for details.
   
6. Don’t be a dick

1. Mod colour
   – My mod colour is
   Purple(?)
   (#8040FF); don't use it.
   
2. Behaviour
   - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself eliminated if you try it.
   
3. Don't talk about ongoing games
   - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
   
4. Tiny text
   - Is of the devil, keep it 70+ please.
   
5. Provable randomness
   - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
   
6. Claiming scum
   - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.
   
7. Cryptography
   - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.
   
8. Confirmation
   - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
   
9. Days
   - Days last 14 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.
   
10. Activity
    - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night. If you accumulate 4 prods, you are then force replaced.
    
11. Vacation/Limited Access
    If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare V/LA in bold in the thread like this:
    @Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday
    . While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
    
12. Quoting
    - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
    
13. Voting
    - Votes must be in bold in the format
    VOTE: GeorgeBailey
    or
    Vote: GeorgeBailey
    . Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
    v]GeorgeBailey[
    /v] to vote and [
    uv]GeorgeBailey[
    /uv] to unvote.
    
14. Eliminate
    - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to eliminate somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no eliminate, the day will end without a elimination. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no elimination.
    
15. Twilight
    - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
    
16. Night
    - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
    
17. Action submissions
    - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
    
18. Reminders
    - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
    
19. Notes PT
    - Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. This thread will be made public immediately after the game. You may draft posts in your notes PT but you may not talk about your notes PT in public. You definitely may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
    
20. Play to win
    - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!

[GeorgeBailey]

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[GeorgeBailey]

All role PMs have been sent out! We will start when [7/9] people have confirmed. Deadline for role confirmation is (expired on 2021-09-18 08:18:32).

The above clock and any others used throughout this game will be accurate from the time you loaded the page.

Currently confirmed: [9/9]

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.1

Not Voting (9): Connordragon07(0), DaTacoX(0), Noksve(0), RegRider(0), RH9(0), camelCasedSnivy(0), CheekyTeeky(0), flow trap(0), Prism(0)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-09-26 18:24:47)

FLAVOR

This one here is our newest addition. Let me show you around!

[CheekyTeeky]

Thirsty!

[CheekyTeeky]

Welcome fellow newbies a the life of quick wits and deception that is mafia on MS. I will make life easier for you by telling you I am town, for the scumbutts among us, you shall be quickly purged from our ranks as I feel the force is strong among us.

[CheekyTeeky]

To not a* dammit so close to perfection.

[DaTacoX]

Hello everyone!
Thank you Cheeky for this valuable info. I will cherish, and keep it in mind.

[CheekyTeeky]

DTX is already locktown ^.^
VOTE: regrider

[Prism]

Hello everyone. I'm an SE, or a semi-experienced player. I've been playing for 11 years, so I've been around the mafia block quite a few times. I'm eager to share all I've learned over the years with you, and my experience is here for you to draw upon. That said, I am far from perfect and I am most excited for the chance for some of you, as fresh young blood, to teach this old dog some new tricks. I hope we have a fun game we can walk away proud of at the end of the day.

I'm also grateful to get to play with Teeky again after missing the chance to be scum with them years ago, and for flow_trap, who was in my last Newbie. I look forward to the chance at working with you this time around, and if that proves impossible, I hope I can escape with a win one more time before being overtaken.

I don't feel inclined to vote either Cheeky or Taco based off what is posted. Typically it's in good form and general interest to vote someone anyway, but I will wait.

[RH9]

What are we supposed to do on D1? This is my first Forum Mafia game.

[RH9]

I agree with Prism that we should wait before voting anybody.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote anyone for any reason, this phase is called RandomVotingStage which will eventually progress into people making reads on reactions and take us into the game. Behind every post is scum or town, can you tell the difference?

[RH9]

Oh, I didn't know this. To be fair, I really can't tell the difference between Mafia and Town. So, we basically randomly vote somebody in order to see if they're the Mafia.

[CheekyTeeky]

You got it

[Prism]

There are a few different schools of thought about how to approach the opening, but the most common right now is what Cheeky explained-the Random Voting Stage, or RVS.

It may sound a little absurd, but simply by voting impulsively or whimsically, organic thoughts and deep convictions will develop. Suddenly, you won't find yourself lacking in what to talk about. It's confusing at first, but it will happen with as much consistency and certainty as the setting of the sun. From a mess of chaos you will find yourself holding beliefs about other players and actions with almost religious zeal.

I definitely do not endorse not voting early. I'm being a little selfish by choosing to abstain, and I don't mind publicly divulging that my reason is just that I want my vote to carry a touch more weight when it comes. If everyone does the same, we'd be in real trouble, and I'd probably abandon it quickly!

[Prism]

(Other approaches to the opening are RQS, or Random Question Stage, where players might ask a brief survey of questions, hoping both to become more familiar and that some scum nervousness may shine through or color the responses. Some examples of what those questions might look like are: Which alignment do you prefer? How do you use your vote most effectively? What's your style as mafia: are you cooperative or more just out to protect yourself?

Another approach relies on personalized experience with the people you're playing with. Having seen them before, you might think you know a way to rattle them as mafia or divine something truthful early, and vote them or invite discussion to try and elicit that response)

[DaTacoX]

It feels weird voting someone randomly, but it does start to make sense when thinking about it from a content-generating perspective.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

[flow trap]

Good now, I say; if I knew what the weather was like, I would probably say it is good!

Anyways: VOTE: RH9

[Noksve]

Greetingsssss! I've played mafia for several years, but I'm way more used to moderating rather than actually playing, so take my attempts at scumhunting with a grain of salt. Or two. I played the one game last year, which was plenty fun but kinda wore me out. Here's hoping it doesn't happen quite like that again :P

We got cool SEs, I dig))) I shall VOTE: CheekyTeeky, because it sounds a lot like cheeki breeki, and bandits are pretty suspicious, am I right?

[RH9]

Since it's Random Voting Stage, I'll just randomly vote somebody too.
VOTE: Connordragon07 for reactions.

[Prism]

Good now, I say; if I knew what the weather was like, I would probably say it is good!

Anyways: VOTE: RH9

Was there anything you disliked in their opening posts?

[camelCasedSnivy]

It feels weird voting someone randomly, but it does start to make sense when thinking about it from a content-generating perspective.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Ayyyyyyy

[camelCasedSnivy]

Anyway I'm busy rn but during my limited free time rn I'll see who to RV