Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

Espeonage · Post Post #499 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:39 am

I had not realised the TM games had started. My apologies.

Espeonage · Post Post #503 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:54 am

nah I'm not and I can even proves it like right now.

1. If I was scum I'm fairly sure I would have noticed the game had started.
2. I actually spent token(s) on making myself town because I want to win TM.
3. The only time I don't choose scum when given a choice is when I really want to win or need to do it to eradicate choice meta. Both of those need me to be town.

Ok so what's happening? My team hasn't said anything game specific so I had no idea they were already playing as well. And who is calling me scum before I haven't even posted. That's like the most contrived thing you could even do.

I'm baning with OMGUS as soon as I find out who it was.

Espeonage · Post Post #504 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:55 am

I didn't get a daystart pm.

Espeonage · Post Post #505 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:55 am

Ok just looked. I did get a daystart pm. But I hadn't read it.

Espeonage · Post Post #506 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:56 am

In post 502, Titus wrote:TSO, I asked you to read my posts because I felt you were misunderstanding me and I was repeating myself.

You think I lie for no reason???

The booze is for me tonight to try to make sense of this.

@DV, He asks questions, follows through on the answers and articulates his positions well. This is town Bulba.

That sounds like null bulba. Pls don't declare things that aren't true.

hella yeah this game is gonna be easy.

Espeonage · Post Post #508 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:57 am

Ok well I don't get an easy bane vote then.

But you're lies about bulba stand.

Espeonage · Post Post #512 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:00 am

The point is that he can(TM).

And you gonna tell me that someone with established tonal tells that drew scum in TM isn't going to fabricate posts carefully? That's just not respecting Team Mafia.

Espeonage · Post Post #513 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:00 am

In post 511, Titus wrote:It's not conftown but I feel really good about Bulba.

Ok see, that is much better, well done.

For example, in a game where I have read half a page, you're the closest thing to a scum read.

Espeonage · Post Post #517 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:05 am

I didn't call you scum, you need reading comprehension.

The point I was trying to make is that you can spout a read but that doesn't mean it's right.

Espeonage · Post Post #518 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:05 am

I've decided I'm going to sass this entire game.

Espeonage · Post Post #523 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:16 am

Hey Titus. Quick question.

Why is buddying of any importance when there has been no flip yet?

Espeonage · Post Post #532 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:22 am

In post 528, Titus wrote:
In post 523, Espeonage wrote:Hey Titus. Quick question.

Why is buddying of any importance when there has been no flip yet?

Because we like people who like us. So scum can buddy by being likable.

@DV, What am I ingoring?

Town can also buddy so shit gets done. Come back after a flip.

pedit: LOL

Espeonage · Post Post #535 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:24 am

In post 530, Titus wrote:
In post 527, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 525, Titus wrote:I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

I just said it does not exist.

You want me to find something that does not exist...

To put it in a spreadsheet...that does not exist...

Yes.

-.-

Espeonage · Post Post #536 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:26 am

In post 534, Tammy wrote:Hi espy.

I'm the queen of sass, please don't try to take my crown.

Do me a favor? Read zar and tell me what you think?

I have about ten minutes until I have to get ready and head in to uni, I will not have time until I get back.

dw I did see the wagon and it was on my todo list.

Also not taking your crown, but it's important to walk in an SO's shoes so that the bonds between you get tighter.

Espeonage · Post Post #551 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:23 pm

In post 543, Tammy wrote:Okay, I'd like to know what espeonage and mastin's teams think of marquis. (And anyone else who can read him, but those are the two teams with the most experience with him I think.)

hito - boon has the same deadline as bane, right?

I can ask.

Espeonage · Post Post #659 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:41 pm

Ok so at the end of page 23, I feel that Tammy is getting a bit agitated where she doesn't need to be. I mainly think her arguments are barking up the wrong tree and the excepts (I have yet to follow up on reading then in context) seem to be more of deflection over anything, which seems weird and Zar appears to be arguing the tree rather than the forest which is usually a sign of scum so I'm leaning towards voting.

As a side note I want to make a quick decision as Boon is something that is in towns favour just because of majority numbers.

I am also tempted to claim my sign? purely because I see no downside for myself to do so.

@Red Wine Talk: That is the most fun game I have even played in and I was one of the first people dead. Anyone looking to learn how to do scum theater needs to read that game. I doubt there will be another example of how to both flail, and clear yourself from that.

Also Marquis <3 mighty FIN3

on to page 24.

Espeonage · Post Post #661 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:46 pm

Quick but very important question.

Can someone be Baned and Booned same cycle?

Espeonage · Post Post #662 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:46 pm

In post 660, Shadoweh wrote:Empire replacing from a town slot into a scum slot is really unlikely. I supose we can't speculate on if that's what happened, just even if scum I'm not sure if scum in a game where Tammy isn't going to yell at him would be worse then scum in a game where everyone expects him to make giant effort posts right now. It's definitely a townie move and it's just as well since he'll have extra time before the real lynch to post.

Espe: If you claim your sign scum go from having a 33% chance to kill you with one action to a 100% chance to kill you. You should not claim your sign unless you're okay with dying offhandedly.

oh, ok

Espeonage · Post Post #663 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:48 pm

Let me think, I may still want to be baned.

Also swapping itself is null in the same way replacing due to being swamped is null. If you are under fire and you swap, that seems pretty suspect as it is mechanically different to replacing.

Espeonage · Post Post #664 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:51 pm

In post 591, Marquis wrote:All these people townreading Tammy and DV this game makes me kind of nervous for some reason I don't really get! I mean I understand why it's like that for DV for me but I'm townreading Tammy while simultaneously feeling weird about it!

IDK! I think part of it is that I always take Tammy being town for granted especially in games where there's an element of choice but this time I keep thinking about how if there was a time to subvert her meta it'd probably be now! After ffery's comments earlier I was looking through the old Team Mafia games to see what she meant and noticed Tammy won a mini as scum for it and that shouldn't really bother me but it does! :/ Of course that's an obvious idea but the thought is everyone always sees her as being so indisputably town and loving to be town so much that it would trump that paranoia of her choosing scum, but from what I know at least it's not like she isn't a threat as scum!

Like if there were ever a time to stop just doing the same old same old, both in regards to those kinds of automatic trigger reads and potential Tammy-choosing-an-alignment, it would be this game and I guess it kind of bothers me that people are just going through the motions with that read in particular as usual! (Preview edit: I'm still getting ffery and Tammy mixed up when I type out who I'm referring to! Note to self to stop! I guess!)

I think the main tangible thing that bothers me right now is that huge Zar wall she made! Like she's so intent on Zar right now with barely any outside focus and devoting so much time to it when I feel like most people here are more restrained due to the competition pressure and like I said should be considering reads more than just taking them for granted so soon, and trying to think about it from that angle it makes a bit of sense! But then I get the feeling that I'm bending my thinking to try and fit my paranoia, but then I know I should probably be using Occam's Razor, but then I think about how it's Team Mafia again and ugh!

If it makes you feel better I am cautiously nullscum on Tammy. She is playing how I have seen her play as non hydra scum but I don't want to push it off such a small sample size as I have.

I will say that I am not ok with Tammy boon for the moment.

Espeonage · Post Post #665 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:52 pm

In post 596, Titus wrote:Tammy, have you ever even rolled scum with me as town? I know we have never been buddies. Marquis mentioning your neta reminds me I cannot remember your scum meta beyond you not obvtowning.

That's not even true though. ugh.

Espeonage · Post Post #666 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:58 pm

In post 623, Empire wrote:SUPRISE!

If you heard that sound, that was the sound of the scum team in this game collectively shitting themselves.

Well, Tammy, you wanted me and now you get the real me, uncut and unfiltered.

This is weird post.

Espeonage · Post Post #667 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:01 pm

And now I want to ignore TamPire.

Espeonage · Post Post #668 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:04 pm

I think Bulba might be town.

I've never been able to read him but just from a couple of posts and the things people are saying I'm going to go town.

Shadow, have you seen any of my recent games? Btw I still want to claim.

Espeonage · Post Post #671 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:14 pm

No but the talk went from a bane to lynch MajDay1.

#wifom

Ok because I have been constructing a meta of claiming early as both alignments in ways that mess with the game to try and make people fuck up.

Also you pinged me with something but it's something town might do as well so sitting on it for now.

Espeonage · Post Post #673 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:22 pm

I already covered the your slot. Mostly deflection and I Tammy's wall felt very similar to the way she went about attacking me in Red Wine which means that she is probably either right or scum with you.

I will not clarify the Tammy pings.

Espeonage · Post Post #676 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:02 pm

I'm not voting anyone.

Espeonage · Post Post #678 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:11 pm

Oh T-Bone has offered to iso Marquis at some point.

Espeonage · Post Post #697 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:26 am

Hey Tammy, you know how you were during like the mid part of Unbalanced 2.

This is me telling you, you need to breathe.

Also btw, your explanation of why you attacked me in Red Wine is equatable to why I think you're attacking here as was picked up by Empire.

Ok got some pedits.

Espeonage · Post Post #705 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:07 am

In post 698, Tammy wrote:Why are you trying to calm me down if you think I'm scum? Wouldn't I be faking my agitation in that case?

I have no idea what you mean by "as picked up by empire".

Dude, I don't know if you are scum. If you are town then there is no way I want to sever ties with you. This is going to be a long game, and we're going to need to be working together at some point over the course of this.

Espeonage · Post Post #947 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:58 am

In post 946, Titus wrote:Hilariously Unbalanced 2. Ika can clue you in on that one in more detail. I looked really town. I needed one guy dead. That was ika. He was three x bp. Bulba was a doctor in an all town hood.

Honey you were not really town.

Espeonage · Post Post #960 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:00 am

I honestly don't trust anyone enough right now to give them Boon.

Espeonage · Post Post #961 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:03 am

In post 948, Marquis wrote:
In post 927, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 679, Marquis wrote:
In post 678, Espeonage wrote:Oh T-Bone has offered to iso Marquis at some point.

This seems excessive!

How so?

It doesn't seem necessary because I think Esp probably knows me way better than T-Bone so I'm wondering why he wouldn't make any comments on me other than saying he's letting T-Bone handle it? It just feels like Espeonage is trying to hint at T-Bone and I's scum history, in preparation for a push he could make, which in reality is extremely limited, with just one game together! It's just really weird that Esp didn't have anything to say about me himself besides this, and part of it could be taking advantage of T-Bone being scum with me in the Scummie game <-- right there under my name allowing him to adopt a flexible stance!

I think I worded that pretty badly but it feels wrong like they're trying to plant some sort of seeds of supposedly detailed knowledge about me to go either way with the read!

T-Bone said he would do it if I wanted when I posted Tammy's request. It wasn't prompted.

Espeonage · Post Post #963 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:05 am

If I'd had any interaction with fery then I might but I've never formed an actual read on fery as far as I can remember in the past even though we've played a few times.

Espeonage · Post Post #964 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:06 am

I like not trying to read people outside of POE if I know I'm going to have difficulty reading them. It's how I make myself look good.

Espeonage · Post Post #967 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:08 am

On that note, it's one of the reasons I was being iffy about my nullscum read on Tammy. I don't actually think I can read Tammy except in cases where she is being very town in her own way which isn't happening here.

Espeonage · Post Post #968 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:08 am

In post 966, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh btw fery is conftown.

Ok, wasn't aware.

Espeonage · Post Post #969 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:08 am

In post 965, Marquis wrote::/

hug?

Espeonage · Post Post #971 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:14 am

In post 970, Marquis wrote:How much of this game are you not just pretending to have read!?

PEDIT "Ok, wasn't aware"!?

:///!

I'll try to figure out what this and UT and everything leans more toward when I don't just want to take a nap!

Also,

Boon: Marquis

! I don't really think this is something that can actually be useful if revealed Day 1!

I have read 5 pages total. Not all of it is in a linear clump.

Espeonage · Post Post #972 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:15 am

You self voting is a really bad sign though.

Espeonage · Post Post #974 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:18 am

In post 973, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Boon: Tammy

I am actually vehemently against this, for the simple fact that I don't feel comfortable in the ability for this town to recover from an accepted Tammy town read. The hbbegibbes adds to it but even if I was townreading Tammy I still would be against Tammy getting Boon.

Espeonage · Post Post #976 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:20 am

Ok that's interesting. I thought I was a VT. :/

Which is part of why I was cool with creating wifom about my sign.

So not everyone has the universal powers that were in the op?

Tammy is still a bad pick.

Espeonage · Post Post #984 (isolation #42) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:24 am

In post 982, Untrod Tripod wrote:@Espe

what has Tbone had to say about me?

Nuthing

Espeonage · Post Post #987 (isolation #43) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:33 am

Whoever gets the boon is going to be a target for Mafia.

So I think everyone needs to unvote. And then everyone needs to vote if they are ok with being booned. It spreads confusion for mafia over who is a PR and it also gives mafia wifom over if it is actually a good idea to go after whoever gets booned.

I don't want to see any votes on someone that hasn't said they are ok with being booned.

Espeonage · Post Post #988 (isolation #44) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:33 am

Current List of people ok with being Booned: Marquis

Espeonage · Post Post #992 (isolation #45) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:39 am

I have a feeling I might need to actually read the thread.

Espeonage · Post Post #996 (isolation #46) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:41 am

I won't have time to read it until Sunday at the earliest. It is mid session break next week tho.

@UT: k

Espeonage · Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:12 pm

In post 998, fferyllt wrote:
In post 975, GuyInFreezer wrote:fery is a VT so there's nothing she can do by detecting sign. Tammy is my next-in-line townread.

I don't think I can be given a boon. and I'm sure I can't use one. I'm essentially a treestump.

I'm not liking Espe much at all.

Anything I can do to help?

Espeonage · Post Post #1083 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:30 pm

In post 1073, Tammy wrote:
In post 977, Tammy wrote:Why would I be a bad pick even if you were town reading.

And why would the town need to recover from correctly town reading me?

Don't understand you.

ESPEONAGE

If you are scum you are the kind of player that an run a misplaced obvtown to the game, not everyone has that ability.

Espeonage · Post Post #1084 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:31 pm

In post 1076, Tammy wrote:
In post 992, Espeonage wrote:I have a feeling I might need to actually read the thread.

Why are you calling me scum and saying I'm not obvtowning in my own special way if you haven't read the thread?

Because I have one of the strongest guts on site so I trust it and pretty much all of what I have read was You v Zar/Empire.

Espeonage · Post Post #1085 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:32 pm

And lol, I've been killed night 1 like 3 times in five years.

Espeonage · Post Post #1093 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:10 pm

Hey Tammy, you do realise you are easier to read the happier you are right?

Also Titus is probs town.

Espeonage · Post Post #1096 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:25 pm

Ok there was a question in there of what can I do to make you happier.

Espeonage · Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:19 pm

Is '

positive effect

' worth giving boon to, if not I'm happy to not get this or any boons of this type.

Espeonage · Post Post #1146 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:34 am

Boon: Vezok

Espeonage · Post Post #1201 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:31 pm

Asks fery's opinion. Votes against fery opinion when it also has support.

Espeonage · Post Post #1346 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:52 pm

Going to say this now before someone claims the trace on me.

I detected last night, correctly guessed and therefore got a positive effect. I don't get told what the effect which is annoying. But I figure it should clarify any issues someone that traced me might have.

Espeonage · Post Post #1355 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:19 pm

Dude I already claimed vt.

And I'm fairly sure that 'effect'(tm) is actually an effect. Maybe I have doublevote, that'd be useful.

Espeonage · Post Post #1361 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:29 pm

Well in this case it's in the OPs that there is effect.

Espeonage · Post Post #1380 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:52 pm

Vezok bringing in the good stuff.

Espeonage · Post Post #1389 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:04 pm

I am against a TTH lynch because of reasons.

Espeonage · Post Post #1397 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:41 pm

Hey Bulba. Can you ask mollie if she thinks that Tammy's tone is town frustrated or scum default? She's seen both recently, they are both similar.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:43 am

In post 1405, Tammy wrote:
In post 1397, Espeonage wrote:Hey Bulba. Can you ask mollie if she thinks that Tammy's tone is town frustrated or scum default? She's seen both recently, they are both similar.

Why don't yu ask the confirmed fucking town that is actually playing in this game, has played more games with me, and can read me better.

See Tammy, the thing is that mollie has played with scum you very recently, I have a rapport with mollie as of recent and I don't have a good rapport with the confirmed town.

Now with that out of the way.

I'm getting more and more happy in my read that you're scum. Truth be told I found myself unapproving of the tth wagon simply because you were on it which took me by surprise tbh. Your tone here doesn't read to me like the frustrated got irl stuff tone as far as I can tell, which is about the only explanation I have for the amount of scumminess I am feeling from your posts. And even if that is the reasoning for your tone it still doesn't mean you're town, it takes it to null, at most. I don't have the most experience with you but I'm going off what I do have. And your responses to people here for the most part aren't looking town.

I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Vote: Tammy

gots a preedit come up

Espeonage · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:44 am

In post 1408, Tammy wrote:
In post 1405, Tammy wrote:
In post 1397, Espeonage wrote:Hey Bulba. Can you ask mollie if she thinks that Tammy's tone is town frustrated or scum default? She's seen both recently, they are both similar.

Why don't yu ask the confirmed fucking town that is actually playing in this game, has played more games with me, and can read me better.

And to spell this out a bit more clearly, you are asking someone of unknown alignment when we have confirmed town who has been my scum partner, seen me as scum while she's town - in one of my better recent scum games - and modded me as scum, played more and more recent games with me who also has a back up in nacho who can also read me quite well. ( I can fool nacho sometimes for a little while but I have to tailer my game specifically to him in order to do that)

It's weirding me out that the people who should be able to read me by now ARENT and are avoiding ffery and their team's read on me like the plague. Shouldn't there be some conversation there? Find out why you're wrong or get her to see where they're wrong? I mean if these are actual real concerns you people are having. If not carry on with your "paranoia".

I have my own reads, am capable of making my own reads and capable of making my own decision. Fery will post herself, she doesn't need promting like someone not in the game does.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:52 am

Nope. Not all of them.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:54 am

I am going to ask though. What is the relevancy of my having read all of the posts for the purposes of getting a read when I have sufficient information from what I have read? It has never been an issue before and it's been my MO for catching scum sometimes int he past with a decent success rate.

Espeonage · Post Post #1421 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:18 am

Oh man those reasons are shit. Don't even worry about them.

Espeonage · Post Post #1423 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:23 am

That was in reference to DV's question.

Espeonage · Post Post #1482 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:31 am

Unvote

Espeonage · Post Post #1583 (isolation #69) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:17 pm

Do you want me to pull stuff out of my ass or actually give you what I do think Titus?

Espeonage · Post Post #1587 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:23 pm

Then I got nothing. But he's on my radar for reasons.

Espeonage · Post Post #1591 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:34 pm

In post 1589, Titus wrote:@Espy, What reasons or are they
reasons
?

'reasons'

It requires me to do some reading which I haven't gotten around to. And I don't want to bring it up.

Espeonage · Post Post #1599 (isolation #72) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:30 pm

Vote: Aronis

Espeonage · Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:40 pm

So the main reason I am currently against TTH is that I haven't seen a case other than the vezok thing. So someone can feel free to inform me.

As for the vezok thing, I detected someone that I thought was a kill target last night as well. Mainly because I thought I'd be getting some sort of cool reward if I got it right that might help protect them. I'd just misread the thing 50 times. If TTH says they had reasons to do it, then they probably did. It is impossible for anyone to know if they have any number of town prs or scum prs and going after someone just because they detected is plain wrong.

Espeonage · Post Post #1658 (isolation #74) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:27 am

I'm just saying that it could be a possibility. TTH could be a cop, tammy is a good target there too tbh. I'm just saying that the trace you did shouldn't be counting against TTH. If there are other reasons then go for it.

Espeonage · Post Post #1661 (isolation #75) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:55 am

That's actually reasoning I can get behind.

Unvote, Vote: Marquis

Espeonage · Post Post #1702 (isolation #76) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:15 am

In post 1698, Cheetory6 wrote:
Espeonage wrote:2. I actually spent token(s) on making myself town because I want to win TM.
3. The only time I don't choose scum when given a choice is when I really want to win or need to do it to eradicate choice meta. Both of those need me to be town.
Are you better at town than scum? Can you talk more about the reasoning behind why you spent tokens on being town?

Yeah, I have a well reputed history of having a super accurate gut and a super terribad scumgame. I'm only good as scum if I can get theatre going.

I wanted to be town here so I have a better chance of winning, fairly simple.

Why did you spend your first ten posts chiding Titus instead of scumhunting?

Because I hadn't read. If I'm behind in games I will usually get in an argument with someone. It's the best way to get people chatting, good for getting fast reads. See Capcom for me trying to do the same kind of thing. Other examples are [REDACTED]

I keep telling myself to fight against doing anything more than nullreading his ridiculous "I should get baned posts" because I don't see any reason why scum wouldn't be aiming to try and tryhard an "I am way too ignorant to be scum" persona.

Probs doesn't count for much, but I don't think I'm a NK target. I saw no reason for me to be worried if scum know my sign. They would rather shoot elsewhere I presume and I've already outed myself as a VT.

Espeonage wrote:Also swapping itself is null in the same way replacing due to being swamped is null. If you are under fire and you swap, that seems pretty suspect as it is mechanically different to replacing.
It bugs me that you didn't say this again when people started using this logic against TTH.

If you look just above, I pointed out that I wasn't aware of other reasoning past vezok's thing. That would explain why everyone started the day with voting tbh. Was a bit confused about that.

Espeonage wrote:I think Bulba might be town.

I've never been able to read him but just from a couple of posts and the things people are saying I'm going to go town.
So you can't read him, but you're throwing a townread at him because ???????

Reasons. Yes I have a terrible time trying to read bulba. But I'm noticing some things that haven't come up in his play before and those make me lean town.

Espeonage wrote:I don't actually think I can read Tammy except in cases where she is being very town in her own way which isn't happening here.
How did you start confidently scumreading her later this cycle then?

Thinking

Espeonage wrote:I'm getting more and more happy in my read that you're scum. Truth be told I found myself unapproving of the tth wagon simply because you were on it which took me by surprise tbh. Your tone here doesn't read to me like the frustrated got irl stuff tone as far as I can tell, which is about the only explanation I have for the amount of scumminess I am feeling from your posts. And even if that is the reasoning for your tone it still doesn't mean you're town, it takes it to null, at most. I don't have the most experience with you but I'm going off what I do have. And your responses to people here for the most part aren't looking town.
Can you pull specific examples of that you're finding scummy about her responses/tone?

It's most of it. She usually respects and embraces reachouts in my experience. She even scumread mollie after she didn't react to a reachout from her. There's a disjoint and that usually means scum.

I feel slightly marginally less convinced than I was before that Zar/Empire/singer vs Esp interactions could be scum/scum on reread, but there's enough in here that a vote on Esp is decent enough. Will make a case depending on answers.

Responses in bold.

Espeonage · Post Post #1706 (isolation #77) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:36 am

In post 1703, Cheetory6 wrote:
Espeonage wrote:But I'm noticing some things that haven't come up in his play before and those make me lean town.
Can you talk about these? Or is it just gut?

There are actual reasons. But if I say stuff he'll modulate play and I'm not solid on the read. I'd rather keep it close to chest for the moment.

Espeonage · Post Post #1707 (isolation #78) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:38 am

btw, it makes no difference to game state seeing as I can't do anything with the info. But I detected you cheet.

Espeonage · Post Post #1709 (isolation #79) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:41 am

You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

Espeonage · Post Post #1711 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:43 am

Because I misread what detect does.

Espeonage · Post Post #1715 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:45 am

In post 1712, vezokpiraka wrote:
In post 1709, Espeonage wrote:You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

What did you expect? This makes no sense. What did you think would happen if you detected cheetory?

been over this. I thought something good happened if you guessed correctly and something bad happened if you guessed wrong.

Espeonage · Post Post #1736 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:53 am

wat can i do

Espeonage · Post Post #1738 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:58 am

Living on the edge.

Espeonage · Post Post #1744 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:12 am

I defy reasoning. I am that mighty.

Espeonage · Post Post #1858 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:29 pm

And yet peeps are scum reading me.

Espeonage · Post Post #1861 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:35 pm

It was a vanity wagon, not useful.

Espeonage · Post Post #1892 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:11 pm

You know as well as I do that I am significantly worse at scum than town.

I'm also not harping on you. I was asked directly about you, so I answered. I've unvoted you, and I gave reasons for why TTH is a lynch I don't agree with past the composition.

That's not what I was talking about but the point is moot now anyway.

Espeonage · Post Post #1902 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:38 pm

In post 1894, Tammy wrote:
In post 1715, Espeonage wrote:
In post 1712, vezokpiraka wrote:
In post 1709, Espeonage wrote:You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

What did you expect? This makes no sense. What did you think would happen if you detected cheetory?

been over this. I thought something good happened if you guessed correctly and something bad happened if you guessed wrong.

Why did you choose a universal town read to detect if you thought there was a possibility of something bad happening if you misguessed?

Because it would probs happen to me.

Espeonage · Post Post #1936 (isolation #89) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:28 am

I am sorry you feel that way.

Espeonage · Post Post #1971 (isolation #90) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:55 pm

In post 1960, fferyllt wrote:Espe what are T-Bone's thoughts about this game?

He hasn't posted about it past the little thing about marq.

Espeonage · Post Post #1973 (isolation #91) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:56 pm

Tammy what part of voicing a townread is ever bad for town?

Espeonage · Post Post #1976 (isolation #92) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:57 pm

Your points on maston make very very little sense.

Espeonage · Post Post #1979 (isolation #93) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:08 pm

"I see really no in thread reason to call her town at all."

what is this? Because this is stupid.

Espeonage · Post Post #1983 (isolation #94) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:24 pm

I wouldn't hound you if anything you said made sense.

Espeonage · Post Post #1985 (isolation #95) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:28 pm

What's up?

Espeonage · Post Post #1988 (isolation #96) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:30 pm

I am not scum.

Espeonage · Post Post #1990 (isolation #97) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:32 pm

He isn't even reading this game.

Espeonage · Post Post #1992 (isolation #98) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:33 pm

I think, and I may be wrong, but I think Psyche is the only one reading more than his game.

Espeonage · Post Post #1994 (isolation #99) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:35 pm

In post 1991, Tammy wrote:
In post 1988, Espeonage wrote:I am not scum.

If this is true, I'll see if I can get one of my teammates to switch with me.

:/ There is [REDACTED] which is why I am doubtful you are scum even though almost every post you makes pings me. If you can wait a while, we can probably work through stuff. I have trust issues with you right now. I'd like to stop pushing you and be asked about other things for a cycle or two.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:37 pm

And you wonder why I'm having issues with you.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:40 pm

ok, and?

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:45 pm

If I am experiementing, was am I testing?

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:18 pm

In post 2002, Tammy wrote:
In post 1996, Espeonage wrote:And you wonder why I'm having issues with you.

I realize apparently this is personal for some reason and I'm trying to get a teammate to switch with me.

Please stop saying [REDACTED] by the way.

It isn't. It's a trend I've seen myself having with certain reads when it's on a slot that has particular gravitas.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:20 pm

Tammy I am going to reiterate. It is nothing personal with you. It's a thing with the way I read people and how I prioritize slots in large games.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:20 pm

Please don't leave.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:22 pm

In post 2001, DeasVail wrote:It seems this game that you often make rash assumptions from things (e.g. the whole detect thing, and thinking Tammy was talking about Mastin when it was actually TTH) and then become uncooperative with anyone who becomes frustrated by you doing this, not really considering why they would be frustrated with you I guess.

Ok fair enough, but how is that an intentional experimental style? What would be the point?

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:28 pm

I never a nightkill target anyway.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:58 pm

ok what

Espeonage · Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:20 pm

Singer's reacctions to votes are bad.

Espeonage · Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:21 pm

Weighing in on people debating bulba. Bulba is actually progressing to about my strongest townread.

Espeonage · Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:36 pm

@Bulba: Yes, but I am less confident that I am reading accurately this game and am holding out for later to see if my head is going good.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:06 am

I have zero personal issues with you wtf.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:20 am

If people want to the main reason as to why I cant let Tammy scumread go is because she is incredibly interested in pointing out how wrong the person who has the absolute least influential voice in the game is. Pick your battles and play the game.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:25 am

She could be.

Also, in regards to your reasoning for voting me. I don't need a reason to switch votes, I'd just switch votes. I'm the major wagon, voting elsewhere close to the deadline is just proper play regardless of alignment as I know I'm town but the same can't be said for the other person.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:36 am

In post 2126, Cheetory6 wrote:The fact that you're not voting now reads as scum nervous that they might be seen as bandwagoning. More like you're testing the waters before committing. Why wouldn't you vote for singer at this point in time if your Marquis vote is literally doing nothing? You haven't even tried to push that at all, and haven't even mentioned him since voting for him ages ago. What is your vote there for?
T-Bone offered to read Marquis, what happened there?

Espeonage wrote:I am against a TTH lynch because of reasons.

Espeonage wrote:Truth be told I found myself unapproving of the tth wagon simply because you were on it which took me by surprise tbh
Are these linked?

He said that Marq is maybe town because he hasn't been gambiting which is apparently a thing that happens. T-Bone didn't seem very confident or like he'd put that much effort in so I took it with a grain of salt. I haven't changed my vote because I don't really know who of the people that might be lynched, I am ok with voting. It'll happen in due time.

Yes and No. There are other reasons, but it was the main one.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:38 am

In post 2127, Cheetory6 wrote:You should also give a read on CDB.

I dunno, I don't think CBD is reading too well and he's also falling in to the same trap as Tammy is with addressing a limited range of people. I'm not holding him as too scummy for it was he's make it clear he is aware of it. Given it's early and a large game I think he's ok for now.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:38 am

In post 2129, Cheetory6 wrote:Aren't we like 3 days until we wanted first lynch?
I thought we were treating it like a hard deadline?

It was Titus being dumb.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:54 am

Ok what are people's opinions on TTh's case on Marq? Considering how solid it looked to me, I'm surprised that we're the only two votes on him.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:56 am

It's worth a look.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:57 am

Cheet, would you maintain the statement that my vote is currently being useless given that it is contributing to equal second largest wagon?

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:58 am

@Gif: That is a bad reason to townread someone when there is evidence on the table.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:03 am

There's a perfectly wonderful, concise and well thought out case. Get your head out of your ass titus.

I'm beginning to think that people are legit just ignoring people after shoving them into their vague potential scum pool.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:04 am

In post 2152, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 2149, Espeonage wrote:@Gif: That is a bad reason to townread someone when there is evidence on the table.

In post 2146, GuyInFreezer wrote:
One of the reason
for my townread on him is that he as scum would've lurked in this fast-moving game.

It's a bad reason to scumread someone just for lurking but hell that's what I see in this game.

There's a bunch of lurking. I think people might be afraid of dying first because it's letting down their team or something. Which is a mentality that can definitely mix up the pool when it comes to reading based on motivations.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:05 am

In post 2151, Cheetory6 wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Cheet, would you maintain the statement that my vote is currently being useless given that it is contributing to equal second largest wagon?
Given that neither you or TTH has pushed this vote in like 14 pages. Yes. I'd consider it as being useless up until now that I've pointed it out. -.-

Honestly had no idea it was that long ago. I still don't get how people can read the case and not go, that makes a tonne of sense, I'm going to take at the very least a good hard look at Marq.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:06 am

Maybe I just like it because it addresses mentality and isn't just labelling.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:10 am

For everyone taking notes at home. ffery's comments on singer last page are very good because they actually look at someone and think about why doing what that person did makes them x or y. That is how you make a case.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:12 am

Calling paragraphs of case that I believe in and am copping flack for that I didn't even wright "evidence" is insulting. You got the claws out first honey.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:14 am

@Cheet, seeing as you want stock of my reads. Of the people on more than 1 vote, the only one I am cool with lynching right now is the one I'm voting.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:15 am

TTH iso 27-29

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:38 am

I like his angles.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:58 am

I will admit that I do prefer playing scum. I've referenced in a few places however that I readily take the opportunity to dilute that meta by taking town. Across all the CYS games I took scum at least once, third party once and town at least once. As I addressed earlier, I have a much better town game than scum game, this matters to me so I am more inclined to invest in town.

I know it's all wifom, but if that is a major concern it should probably be put aside. As for the other points, that's your opinion and if you think they've been scummy then fine, but I honestly feel that I have been trying to get myself heard which I still don't feel is close to happening.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:30 am

Because I have open meta that depending on which you read one says I would definitely try and get town and the other that I would definitely try to get scum.

If you're going the what I said v experience. The experience says that I would go town, my vocally liking scum is the only thing that says I'd pick scum.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:01 am

In post 2320, Titus wrote:@Gamma, When did Espy claim VT?

Minor Day 1.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:05 am

Titus, I think that you'll find the accussation that I have a larger than I should do amount of posts that are flat defense is kinda offset by both the facts that I am the only wagon, and that I have actually been posting in regards to other things.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:13 am

I don't have a town play.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:59 am

@Bulba 2444: Sorry, I either missed it or forgot. It is was in the beginning due to her tone and interactions. They didn't seem consistent witht he cooperative and conversational way I've seen her play the game as town. As it went on her narrow mindedness and fixation on me even after it was evident that most of the playerlist wasn't regarding me highly courtesy of the wagon on me just didn't add up. She was perhaps overly worried about a potential shift or she was worried about how she'd look if I did flip.

Espeonage · Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:00 pm

Assignments, sickness and more progressed other games are taking up my time. Will get to this game properly in the soon(trademark)

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:19 am

llama is still bitter about the theater from red wine.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:21 am

Let the records show that I feel my wagon is likely town driven and at least one of the people defending me is WKing. Not sure who, but it seems like a keen play to make.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:04 pm

It was intended to be a playful jab. Like it comes down entirely to what your opinion of my play is. The case as I understand it is that people don't understand my stances and thus think they come from scum. Others think the very same posts only make sense as town. Its a weird case where people are on one side or the other and its not something I can defend against.

Tbh I don't really know what to do other than try and leave stuff for people to look at after I am lynched.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:04 pm

So guf. Why did you change your mind now of all times?

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:11 pm

On that note how am I the 6th highest poster when I missed the first chunk of the game?

I miss the days when people thought lurking was my biggest tell.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:12 pm

Titus recent postings don't seem in line with how I would expect Titus to approach a game. She is a player that commonly does teaching hydras and usually likes to do things on her own terms. Being dictated to by her team seems off.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:13 pm

I like Cheet for town as well. Up there with Bulba for strongest townreads.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:21 pm

I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:08 pm

More time, lol. #more than a week.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:09 pm

In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:11 pm

In post 2691, Titus wrote:Two days until lynch 1 deadline. If you're going to make a push on singer now is the time Gamma. I would prefer a singer lynch atm.

You know, pushing this when there is an established wagon just adds hurry to something that is probably inevitable anyway. What is the pointof that? You have been harpingon all day about how we need to keep schedule and yet there is like no real reason to with the way this day phase has progressed.

Unvote, Vote: Titus

This is probs a scum lynch. Do this if I do get lynched pretty plox.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:12 pm

In post 2695, Titus wrote:
In post 2693, Espeonage wrote:More time, lol. #more than a week.

We have two lynches. Ffery wanted lynch 1 deadline at 3/4 of day. That'll leave us 9 lynches for day 2.

lydexia lol.

It's not hard and fast and your insistence is just plain bad.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:12 pm

In post 2697, Titus wrote:
In post 2694, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

When's the last time you played with town me?

That is relevant how?

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:13 pm

In post 2689, Shadoweh wrote:Dan was in that game too, I don't think he referenced it in his big post on Esp though. Dan if you see this before a lynch happens (if it will ever happen, i wouldn't be surprised if it fell apart tbh) can you tell me if you agree/disagree that it's similar play? I don't have the same perspective since I was scum in FoG.

I played hella bad that game. Don't go there.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:14 pm

Titus is scum, bulba is town, cheet is town.

Owait I did that like four hours ago.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:18 pm

Ok assuming that we lynch to timeline. What do you even think is going to change for the second lynch. More apathy. That is all you're going to get. Tbh I think this is one of those situations where the forced compromise lynch at deadline is going to create much more useful information than anything else.

If you think that you are going to get a thought out second lynch for today then you are on some pretty hard stuff. $10 says if I get lynched quickly here that one of the flops on to me will get lynched and there are too many of thse for them all to be scum so the logic is flawed to begin with.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:19 pm

In post 2703, Titus wrote:
In post 2699, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2697, Titus wrote:
In post 2694, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2690, Titus wrote:
In post 2686, Espeonage wrote:I don't really know the dynamics of how other teams are going about things. But being coached seems like something that would be a priority for people who drew scum as they have the more immediately important concerns. A town player can coast to an extent however that isn't the case for scum.

This is utter shit for me. The minute I try to coast as town, I get wagoned usually by fellow townies.

Cheetory, I am sorry if you feel mislead somehow. I made a general broadcast to the group that I am getting coached on how to be townier. My teammates generally are logical thinkers who are laregly townread as town. They'll advise me on how to post. For instance when Gamma asked me not to post, my team asked me not to post and to give them my thoughts instead.

Could have fooled me.

When's the last time you played with town me?

That is relevant how?

You're saying town me does not get wagoned which is utter shit.

I'm saying town you getting lynched for coasting is bogus because you don't get lynched as scum for coasting so why would it happen when you're town?

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:36 pm

In post 2706, Titus wrote:Espy have you ever won a game for town and still have town pissed at you?
Nup
Have you ever repeatedly been ignored and insulted?
All the fucking time.
Told the only way you can be understood is if people are high?
All the fucking time.
Have people threaten to blacklist you and you have no idea what the hell you are even doing to annoy them?
I think that has happened actually.
Watched town buy obvious bullshit, mislynch you and then mislynch your conftowns?
Yup
Repeatedly get blamed for any wagon that starts on you?
It's like you've never met me.
Get called possible scum for being passionate?
This is becoming a bit weird.
Get your methods called shit and pure luck despite being right consistently?
Yeah you are definitely just hand picking things that describe me now.
These are things that happento me routinely.
TWINS
At some point I have to look in the mirror and figure out what I am doing wrong.
Haters gonna hate.

I cannot just let people vote my townreads to lynch them but I have to have a new method of things. As scum its fucking easy. Let people eat their own shit arguments. People love you for it. I just tunnel someone and wham good to go. As town, I cannot allow townies to eat their own shit and engage in group think. So I will be damned if you expect the same old Titus. If I am sober, that is not happening.

Ok then why are you allowing town to eat the shit wagon on me that doesn't even have reasons that are conclusively scum?

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:36 pm

In post 2708, Titus wrote:
In post 2704, Espeonage wrote:Ok assuming that we lynch to timeline. What do you even think is going to change for the second lynch. More apathy. That is all you're going to get. Tbh I think this is one of those situations where the forced compromise lynch at deadline is going to create much more useful information than anything else.

If you think that you are going to get a thought out second lynch for today then you are on some pretty hard stuff. $10 says if I get lynched quickly here that one of the flops on to me will get lynched and there are too many of thse for them all to be scum so the logic is flawed to begin with.

We have a flip. That's what changes. We can look at the wagon which is more my field than hug it out shit.

#drunk Titus

Oh my team will have my head for this but I do not care.

I assure you it will change nothing.

Espeonage · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:26 pm

I started off in a worse spot with this one, but I'd say as an overall yeah actually.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:43 am

I remember I had CBD as town for some reasoning I liked. It was a pretty shallow read. I don't really understand shadow's play, every post seems rogue to the rest, which is probably a townie thing of wanting to get stuff out, but could be scum trying to get traction. Cheet is pretty town at the moment. Good angles in his pushes and inquiries.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:44 am

I think it's time for a Titus wagon.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:48 am

Can we wait a few days. IRL days please. This is not me suing for time. I promise.

For the moment, as I said before, my feelings on the slot are clouded and I want to talk them over later.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:54 am

Ok basically I don't have conviction in my read but basically I feel that the way that Tammy dealt with the pressure put on her, particularly by me was reacted to in a way that was not in line with town thinking. Setting aside any earlier qualms, this is the point I mostly stick to, as there was absolutely no reason for her to get singlemindedly defensive in the face of me, who was already being wagoned hard at this point, calling her scum. She set aside most other parts of the game to argue about her town-ness and seemed much to interested in looking town for someone that actually is town.

I just don't see that kind of over-reaction to very mild pressure to be town.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:47 pm

it would be dumb for me to not go fir this.

Unvote, Vote: AD

Espeonage · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:41 pm

Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

Espeonage · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:10 pm

In post 2981, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2980, Espeonage wrote:Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

Unvote ad plz.

Head still on block, no thank you.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:52 pm

Ok Gamma, I think for a fair chunk of the early game I had a similar reaction to Tammy and the weight of her influence as what was happening in Baker with you. Opinions?

Espeonage · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:53 pm

In post 3079, Gammagooey wrote:theyyyy're kinda similar i guess

in Baker it felt more like extreme paranoia and a little tunnelvision than the wariness and suspicion I'm seeing with you and Tammy here, but in Baker it was much much later in the game.

It felt liek the same feeling. Like not going to be in lylo tomorrow, but I think I'm getting in to a habit of putting more stock in to reads that go against the grain.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:54 pm

In post 3080, Gammagooey wrote:how do you feel about actiondan and tso and singer?

I've liked singer's posting. Seem to be driven to helping town recently. TSO I haven't read and AD is wonky. He's either wrong about stuff or scum.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:58 pm

Reads. I'd have to go back and look for specifics, but when I was skimming I put him down in a can ignore pile.

Espeonage · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:00 pm

Where else would I put him?

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:02 am

TTH is making more sense than most of the rest of the playerlist at the moment.

However

Vote: Titus

is a lynch that should definitely happen.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:13 pm

In post 3319, Titus wrote:Cheetory, I am much more awkward as town than scum. No one understood my DGB read. DGB was indeed scum and I was wrong there.

I couldn't explain my scumread on Espy so it was awkward.

Look at Butcher. He was gambity but smart. He pushed shit and was smart. I told him be more town, I was hoping to see more of Butcher like behavior. I haven't seen it. He has just come on and started fights and also should see this isn't the same Titus. He's jyst been voting popular shit. Town Espy is off the wall much like ika.

I also don't have an Innocent Child to fall back on after pulling stupid gambits.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:14 pm

Btw Cheet, if you really want to die I can tell everyone your sign.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:15 pm

In post 3338, Shadoweh wrote:
##Vote: Aronis

I'm not voting Titus.

Any reasons in particular why?

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:15 pm

I evidently missed the Aronis case. Someone care to fill me in?

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:23 pm

I don't normally gambit though. It was done specifically because I was an IC and I wanted to make use of it. You play with me a fair bit, you know this.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:55 pm

In post 3349, Titus wrote:I always see you say off the wall shit I don't understand. Maybe the word gambit is off. That thing you did where Seraphim and I gave bad responses. Trust town to have your back as town. I want to see you think. I am seeing you flail to survive which isn't really giving me an ability to read you.

I had a huge wagon on my for most of the day with no counterwagon. I had to defend. And now I've caught a scum and am pushing it.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:56 pm

In post 3354, Formerfish wrote:
In post 3343, Espeonage wrote:Btw Cheet, if you really want to die I can tell everyone your sign.

How do you know his sign? Is this part of the detect/trace thing?

Side question- when do nights happen in this game? Was there a minor night after the minor day, or did we just go into the major day?

Yeah one of the big talking points has been about how I had no idea how the roles worked and so I detected when it actually served me no purpose.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:57 pm

On that note, if it comes out scum have daytalk I would find it hard to believe that fishy is scum.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:11 pm

In post 3503, ActionDan wrote:Well ok. I am a bit concerned about you limiting the lynch options to AD, Singer, Titus, UT, Espe. 2 you think are town, 1 null, 1 scum, and I don't actually know what you think of me since I was on Espe but you also hated my wagon but I'll assume not a hard scum hard. The point is you're advocating limiting to options in which you truly only believe 1/5 will flip scum. That at the least is counter intuitive to me despite the assertion that you think information wise we'd get the most out of lynching 1 of these 5.

That actually weirdly makes me happier with him.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:14 pm

No one ever explained Aronis to me. Singer looks genuine, Titus does not. UT always seems to be kinda lynch baity because he is abrasive, but I can see him trying to do things right now.

None of the other options give me the happy, "I'm voting scum" feels that Titus does.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:22 am

I will not be around at deadline, I will hammer before bed.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:17 am

People need to prematurely claim more often.

Espeonage · Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:36 am

So either we lynch Aronis and CDB is useless for a full cycle and still under suspicion. Or we lynch CDB and stuff is still up in the air and we don't have to have another player claim so close to deadline.

Unvote, Vote CDB

Espeonage · Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:49 pm

Bane: Myself

People are going to start getting trigger happy with claiming if we start searching for someone else. We can just lynch people we don't want to act at night.

I do think unlock should be given more though though. It adds wifom for scum. I am thinking that their ability makes most sense as a role copy mechanic which given that this is probably a role light game on townside probably works best for us. Especially if that is what is going to be on offer for scum, doing it earlier when there is less chance of them hitting (higherdensity of vanilla due to the tendency to not want to lynch.)

And I just realised none of that matters because CDB.

Vote: Lock

Espeonage · Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:11 pm

In post 4167, Titus wrote:@Espy, That type of what the fuck post is what I was looking for.

Why bane yourself?

Why lynch the people we don't want to act when we can bane them?

Who do we not want to act?
A. People who we think are scum.

Would you rather have a roleblocked scum than a dead scum?
A. No.

Espeonage · Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:12 pm

In post 4167, Titus wrote:@Espy, That type of what the fuck post is what I was looking for.

Why bane yourself?

Why lynch the people we don't want to act when we can bane them?

Acually why tf are you looking for posts by me that you don't understand?

Espeonage · Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:20 pm

In post 4182, Titus wrote:
In post 4177, Espeonage wrote:
In post 4167, Titus wrote:@Espy, That type of what the fuck post is what I was looking for.

Why bane yourself?

Why lynch the people we don't want to act when we can bane them?

Who do we not want to act?
A. People who we think are scum.

Would you rather have a roleblocked scum than a dead scum?
A. No.

This implies that you think you're scum. Otherwise, why self-bane?

I would want both. I don't realize it was a dichotomy.

I am claimed vt, there is no cost to baning me.

Espeonage · Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:53 pm

yoghurts said you were probs town cheet and I'm looking for someone to work with. You down?

Espeonage · Sun May 03, 2015 12:17 am

Hi, Been out of it with irl stuff. Got a super busy schedule. I will catch up though.

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 4748, Oversoul wrote:Claim what you did Espeonage

Traced Titus

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 4760, Titus wrote:
In post 4759, Oversoul wrote:Oh

NOW YOU PEOPLE WANT UT

Assholes

We can lynch Espy with the second lynch.

Mhm yeah Ffery totally didn't expressly ask for me to not be lynched today.

I have half a mind to treat any votes on me today as scumclaims considering how much everyone was following the leader yesterday.

If there was a trace on me I'd like to know since it may have foiled my trace and I'd like to know if Titus can still be in my lynch pool because I would love that.

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:22 pm

Ok Lynching UT is dumb right now. It's a waste of our mechanics.
Lynch on me is dumb because we should at least pretend to still care about ffery and that Titus is pushing for it.

Lynch on Titus will get rid of a scum. Thus that is a great lynch.

Vote: Titus

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:24 pm

The issue is that bulba does those posts as both alignments and is usually reserved with his vote, he's always a sleeper player, especially early and the bits of his that I've read put him in my town pile which is rare for him so I doubt bulba is scum here.

PEDIT: They're the ones throwing away her reads.

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:29 pm

Cheet, I think you're town. Yoghurts thinks you're town. I like your tone here and I picked up on tonal tells for you super quick in chat mafias.

I would like to work with you.

I have a residual scum read on Oversoul, a scum read on Titus and not much else in the way of scum reads. I do get your DV reasoning but knowing my alignment I don't see the resultant no lynch to be incriminating for him. Is there somewhere we can compromise?

Espeonage · Wed May 06, 2015 12:30 pm

In post 4833, ActionDan wrote:
In post 4007, fferyllt wrote:oh - the only reason titus isn't 100% [town] is because nacho usually has uncertainty in his titus reads. not having uncertainty is ironically a source of small uncertainty.

Lynch on me is dumb because we should at least pretend to still care about ffery

Vote: Titus

The care just oozes from you

Do not do the thing (lynch me) =/= Not completely sold on this slot because our team knows we have difficulty reading the player.

Espeonage · Tue May 12, 2015 2:38 pm

Hi peeps.

Got some more immediate things that need taking care of. Catching up here will happen hopefully over the next 24 hours. I might even do an old days style catchup, which could be fun for everyone.

Espeonage · Tue May 12, 2015 3:03 pm

In post 5444, singersigner wrote:UT, you're really not in a position to be slinging crap at anyone for their play right now. So...maybe no thanks try again on that one.

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore.
Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me
and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

Consider this my official intent to hammer whomever gets to L-2 first (L-2 for claims obvobv).

Sorry, not up to date but bolded is hella bad and it's a cop out distance I see all the time and it is always bad news.

Espeonage · Tue May 12, 2015 3:11 pm

:/

I didn't call you scum. I said I didn't like a phrase. And I generally find little contributions, especially when they are little jabs to be very effective in getting people out of their comfort zone.

Like it sucks that I've been inactive and it's bad for the game and I get all that. But I still have this cool little niche thing now where I am ignorable yet have a voice which is pretty cool when people start reacting to stuff.

Now I've not going to to do a back and forth until I'm at some form of up to date. Which won't be for a little while.

Espeonage · Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 pm

I remember reading bulba as town.