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I confirm that I am an unlynchable unkillable supersaint with a side of miller.
Alternatively, I was a flavor cop last set-up, I could determine whether a player had preformed a night kill or not.-
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In post 176, TierShift wrote:In post 174, copper223 wrote:That's hilarious on so many levels Tier:
- I am bold as fuck when I play scum.
- One of the reasons why Sthar8 townread me in the game we just played together was me being conciliatory for the sake of information gathering.
- I just finished butting heads with Ceph.
Are you bored with this game and scum claiming?
Uh, take it easy. Why do you feel the need to reference self-meta at the notion of being attacked?
Self-meta defense alert!
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It's not so much a tell, it's that he broke out the tried and true defense after one vote in this early part of the game.-
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Because there is value in figuring out/speccing/lying about the previous setup (which you also did anyway)? Walk me through the pointlessness NotSci.-
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Re: 202. You didn't purposely not quote the post in which I elaborated did you?-
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You can't be serious Rhinox.-
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I am just trying to stay current with the game, as I am busy till about mid-next week.-
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^^^ 10/10 would read again.-
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You misspelled 'T-Bone' bud.-
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Don't be lazy scum and ask someone else to pressure me. Cabd already has heat on him so let's not pretend you're adding to it when you say things like 'let's pressure bone lololol'-
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Voting is a bitch on a phone or I would have done this a few hours ago. Let's lynch him.-
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Mollie I have a cop guilty on you
Also, tell me what you think about Tier ta.-
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In post 308, pirate mollie wrote:In post 305, T-Bone wrote:Mollie I have a cop guilty on you
Also, tell me what you think about Tier ta.
do you mean other than what I said?
cld you plz explain the gamestate from your perspective plz?
cos I am really interested!
All you said was that he was aggressive like Ceph, and that they are in step. But hey more time has passed and we can revisit this in a bit. Obviously I didn't like him asking for other players to pressure me (aka come up with a reason to scumread me)...why couldn't he have done that himself? Too Copper's credit he's at least continually asking people why I am town, Tiershift doesn't care. His posts read to me like a commentary on the game, with very little original input coming from himself.
The gamestate for me is that right now I am just keeping current with the game, as I'll have more time later in the week when I finish taking care of business IRL (I'm on a v/la tag). Tier pings me the hardest as scum. I can't say I have a secondary scumread at this point as I haven't been able to properly engage. You know how I play, this is evident. I've softened on Copper because he is actually persistent in trying to get reads, on a player (me) who has just enough presence in this game to not be a "lurker push", if that makes sense. Reck might as well be confirmed town to me, UT is probably the player that knows my game the best on this site, and I wouldn't expect scumReck to unpromptedly give us UT's town read on me.
I'm mostly keeping track of interactions that are subject of me at this point.-
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Horray?-
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Oh man I am so dazzled by your post!-
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Can you dazzle me with why you are voting Cabd now....for....FIFTY POINTS???-
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In post 441, TierShift wrote:In post 416, T-Bone wrote:Can you dazzle me with why you are voting Cabd now....for....FIFTY POINTS???
I'm going to try to be somewhat more conservative with voting. Cabd's catchup was shitty.
T-bone, where are you going with this attack on me? I really don't understand where you're coming from and why you're singling out on me. The things you pick feel like arbitrary elements of someone's game that you could pick out of anyone's right now.
Arbitrary? I picked out a single thing to develop my read to begin with, and then yes I added on a few other things that don't sit right with me. I'm always wary of volume posters who try oh so hard to assert themselves as the town leader and that's what I think you were doing. Like, I'm coming into the thread after things, I'm not reacting to anything in real time right now, or my approach would be different.-
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In post 602, Cephrir wrote:As far as I can tell you are not reacting to anything in any time
Yes thank you, I had no idea, being on limited access and all. But hey snippy comments are a great way to engage a player!-
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As an aside I have spent too much time on the site this evening to continue to justify my limited access, so I am just gonna remove the tag and not have that hanging over me.-
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let's talk! I think you are town, how does this make you feel? I also have no particular interest in the two main wagons (shos, katsuki) that have cropped up today. They don't interest me because I haven't had the opportunity to be involved with either player. My feelings on Tier are pretty much the same, and in my gut I don't like Ceph right now. Any of those reads we should discuss?-
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Well it's not just me that has the feeling from Ceph and Tier then. I did soften on copper, he sits somewhere in the middle for me. Reck is a town read, and I'm not going to fault him or anyone for not having a presence in the thread when I have had the least amount on presence. Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.-
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Tier has enough posts for people to develop a read off of. Not posting because he's not posting isn't one of them. It's lazy.-
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I am pushing him as scum because of one specific event, and then some other tonal things I got from him early on. Specifically him asking for SOMEONE ELSE to pressure vote me...because he couldn't do it himself? He voted Cabd in the same post, but Cabd already had pressure on him at that point so what was Tier adding to the situation? The answer is nothing. I felt like he was just waiting for someone to go 'Bone is scum' so he could switch votes but that never happened. When I challenged him on this he brushed me off. And then since then he hasn't posted for personal reasons, I wasn't posting for personal reasons, so that's where I am in regards to him, a holding pattern.
You were around when this happened, I ask you on your thoughts about Tier, but you brushed me off saying you already gave them. When I posted later saying that you didn't give much of anything about him, I don't recall you ever responding.-
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I'm talking in regards from my 309 and then my 406 Mollie.-
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In post 679, Rhinox wrote:
In post 654, T-Bone wrote:Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.
I've hardly mentioned you at all. I'm not coming towards you at all??? Explain this.
I was talking about our little early day interactions (you know the one where you misrepped my vote on copper ;P). Though I attributed Oversoul's reads that you posted as your own. But I hate blanket statements "we think PLAYER's entrance was awful" because that's just lazy.-
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In post 709, shos wrote:In post 705, notscience wrote:btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you
also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread
can we lynch this?
can anyone give me a reason not to, in fact? in consideration of gameplay and claim?
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I didn't ask for a solid read, and I don't expect everyone to have a solid read on everyone (lord knows I don't). I was trying at the time to have a discussion and bounce some things off of you but that never happened.-
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In post 718, copper223 wrote:Ok T-Bone, I can see Tier being scum here:
VOTE: Tier
He is switching tones too often, he was very dogmatic and authoritative to start out with, I am still iffy on the way he pushed on me and then backed off, and after the T-Bone argument he has shut down only to follow up on my: possibly he is demotivated after the argument with T-Bone using a similar argument about not having the motivation to play mafia which looks pretty manipulative, while at the same time calling me out for giving meta about him that wasn't even a read, which looks hyper defensive.
Not for nothing, but he cited game-independent reasons for not being here...Hardly a three post exchange with the player with the least amount of posts is grounds for 'demotivated scum'.-
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Prod acknowledged, be back later...-
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Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with. And you wonder why you're being scumread...-
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I mean sure, it's great for you, since you'll have very little ties to the mislynch. "guys it was just a utility lynch on an absent player, not my problem don't read into it kthxbye". Yeah I can see that being your Day 2 argument if that were to come to pass.-
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In post 780, Rhinox wrote:In post 708, T-Bone wrote:
I was talking about our little early day interactions (you know the one where you misrepped my vote on copper ;P). Though I attributed Oversoul's reads that you posted as your own. But I hate blanket statements "we think PLAYER's entrance was awful" because that's just lazy.
THAT'S what you're hung up on? I mean I figured my use of the emoticon would be a dead giveaway that I was joking around there. I do think your vote was lazy with or without the explanation you gave, and I'm pretty sure that was the same thing oversoul was referring to when he said your entrance was awful, which is why I agreed with the assessment. But that early in the game all I was trying to say was stop being lazy and play better. I don't get why sharing my team reads, or referring to things we agree with with a "we" pronoun, is lazy. I'm more worried about the players who haven't referenced their team's thoughts at all. Its easy for 1 player as scum to fake appearing to be town. Its a lot harder to fake town on 4 different players' thoughts.
Oh, well I took that as a serious thing coming from you. I believe we were out of 'RVS' at that point.-
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In post 937, shos wrote:In post 931, Cephrir wrote:But that makes utility lynching in Cabd/T-Bone sound pretty appealing
In post 932, T-Bone wrote:Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with. And you wonder why you're being scumread...
so seriously
Tboner didn't say shit in days
then the moment he is mentioned he replies in *THREE* MINUTES
this lurking is waaaay off
VOTE: T-bone
Oh man you're right. As soon as I was mentioned I should have stopped reading the thread and wait until people weren't talking about me. That would be the town thing to do right? Oh no? That would actually be the scum thing to do? Holy shit!
I'm not a lurker, I LEGITIMATELY haven't been here, haven't been on the site except to Mod my game real quick. Lurking implies that there is an intentional effort to not post in the game, while still being around elsewhere on the site, which is not the case. So I'm not a fucking lurker. It's the same fucking shit you did in InYuasha that pissed me off, because you kept going "it's a 7-headed hydra that isn't posting SCUM" when it was just fucking ME because my other 6 heads fucking abandoned me, but when you were repeatedly told this you put your fingers in your ears and went "lalalala I'm not listening". You seem to be incapable of understanding what 'alignment-independent' things are.-
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What the does that have to do with anything? if we were town you would have done the same thing because you seem incapable of understanding what alignment-independent things are. The fact that I got abandoned by my heads in that game and was forced to go in alone had nothing to do with my alignment. The fact that I have to do a final and write up a thesis proposal has nothing to do with my alignment this game. Ceph was the Mod, he know how legitimately angry I was. It's fucking stupid when someone makes the argument "he's scum for the way he distributes his activity" because there is no real defense for that, it's a fucking stupid argument to make, and has never ever in the history of mafia ever been alignment relevant.
You literally just said "T-Bone took three minutes to respond so he's scum". So obviously then the town thing to do would have been not to post right? Because that's exactly what you said. Which tells me you have no idea what's going on in this game. I haven't been here and I have a better handle on things than you.-
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When the crutch of your argument is "he posted too soon he's scum, town would not have responded so fast", is the moment when you need to realize you have a stupid argument. This is twice in as many games as you have pulled this shit on me.-
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And my point that you don't seem to understand what alignment-independent means. You didn't do dick to catch scum, and you and I both know it. You were suspicious of my slot in that game because we supposedly had 7 heads in the hydra. I could understand in that game that when I repeatedly told you "no, this is a 1-headed hydra" that you could think I was lying. But in retrospect now that you know the truth you have to realize that makes you lucky, not that you had any good reasoning in that game, because the one thing you hung your hat on the most as the reason we were scum wasn't even true. The ONE reason you had wasn't even true. That makes you a broken clock.-
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In post 952, TierShift wrote:T-bone, how are your reads coming along?
I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.
In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.
To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.-
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You mean the thing I just said in that post where "took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting....when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'".-
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No, I'm saying that argument is lazy. No one has really taken issue with any particular thing I have posted. I think someone scoffed at my reason for townreading Reck, but that's about it. What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum? You're telling me you'd be willing to lynch any player based on that flimsy alignment independent reasoning?
2+ days out is hardly that point. We're close, but we're not there yet. I know I am voting myself, and I want to keep it there for the moment based on potential role interactions with Cabd. I know I'm the last player that should be saying "i'll have plenty of time to change my vote" but I'll have plenty of time to change my vote.
Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.-
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In post 964, shos wrote:In post 962, T-Bone wrote:What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?
No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).
3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.
the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.
Also an option: wipe my butt with it.
pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.
So obviously the protown thing to do was not post. Is that right? Since the scummy thing was to post according to you. If not, what was the protown response? This is why you are making a dumb argument, because there is no answer or explanation about this, you're just throwing a tried and true shit method up on the wall because for some reason you think activity is alignment-dependent.
Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me, and instead of posting I had to stop everything I was doing to PM the appropriate Mods. So you know, I was already caught up, and the only new posts when I got on this morning were Ceph's. But no, you don't consider things like that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Instead I am scum waiting for the right moment to derail any discussion about me...despite the fact that this isn't the first time that I have gone long periods without a post (it's happened frequently due to outside influences), so again this doesn't even fit your narrative either. The fact that you are so blind to the obvious baffles me, and if weren't for the fact that you have a history of doing this to me, I'd be calling for your lynch in every single post I would ever make from that point on because you are pushing SCUMLOGIC.-
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I don't want to make this discussion about that game or copper, I don't think he intentionally did it, he's a player who likes to solve set-ups. I'm not sure if that is alignment-indicative for him or not, as I do not have any completed experience with him. In general I find set-up breaking bad, but too many players do it to call him scum.
What about me makes me a villiage idiot Iece, this is hardly our first game together. We've played as scum together, I'm pretty sure we've played as town and opposite alignments, so it's not like you have no experience with me.
Wow shos, are you seriously contending that it was my scum strategy to ask the Mod to look into something potentially game-breaking for me upon my catch-up? If that is the case please never ever play mafia again until you learn what alignment-independent means.-
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Like it was well documented that I was going to be inactive last week. I said so. I was v/la. I said so again. None of any of that had anything to do with my alignment. So for you to continue to come up with activity related shit that has nothing to do with the game is ridiculous, and I apologize to everyone else in the game for you for burdening us with your reasonings.-
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In post 981, Cephrir wrote:In post 962, T-Bone wrote:
Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.
It does. I do not have any scumreads right now that aren't Katsuki, who we aren't lynching today because of basically nothing. Unless you are suggesting I lynch my townreads, this is my best option at the moment. It's not like I voted you, though. I just expressed my willingness to lynch you because you're in the large group of players I'm unsure about and you've also been useless. Even now, you're here and able to write a lot of words and you still aren't doing anything that doesn't directly relate to yourself.
I find it easier when I am behind on a game to focus on myself first to get back into it. I do it pretty much in every game regardless of alignment. I don't fault you for being willing to lynch a player in your null pool, I faulted you for not making an attempt to do something about it beyond 'hey utility lynch'. When someone invokes the term 'utility lynch' it tells me that you don't care who gets lynched, as it doesn't matter so long as someone gets lynched, and that's a scum mindset. Your language suggested to me not that you had a pool of players you were unwilling to lynch, it suggested to me you just wanted to direct the lynch on a random player because it doesn't matter to you so long as it isn't you. That's my perspective on it.-
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In post 983, Iecerint wrote:What did your avatar used to be? Maybe that would help me.
I think the main thing is your sentence structure, which includes lots of run-ons.
I had the Hypnotoad avatar for the longest time, and then changed it to it's current one as a jab at mastin who was so upset Marquis and I won the award this year. I'll try and structure sentences better for you? I'm not really planning out what I'm saying or anything, I'm just reacting to what's here.-
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In post 990, Rhinox wrote:In post 962, T-Bone wrote:No, I'm saying that argument is lazy. No one has really taken issue with any particular thing I have posted. I think someone scoffed at my reason for townreading Reck, but that's about it. What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum? You're telling me you'd be willing to lynch any player based on that flimsy alignment independent reasoning?
2+ days out is hardly that point. We're close, but we're not there yet. I know I am voting myself, and I want to keep it there for the moment based on potential role interactions with Cabd. I know I'm the last player that should be saying "i'll have plenty of time to change my vote" but I'll have plenty of time to change my vote.
Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.
Well you are a tough one to read because as you say you haven't been here much. But I did just read through you in iso and you have said some stuff and you're also right that there really isn't much there to have a problem with on the surface.
I do have a problem with how much you've been quick to remind us all how you're busy and haven't been here much. I mean out of your 40 posts probably close to 25% of them contain those kinds of comments and that seems like a lot. Just seems like someone spending so much effort reminding us how you haven't been here that much could probably redirect that effort to something more useful.
I did notice in your iso at some point you said you had no interest in lynching shos because you hadn't interracted with him at all. First off that is pretty lazy on your part. I mean there are a few people I haven't interracted with much at all yet but if one of them were a top wagon I'm reasonably sure I could read some of their posts and determine whether or not I had any interest in lynching them based on content, and not just outright dismissed them. Or at least made some effort to try to interract with them to form a read since at the time they were the 2 leading candidates for lynching. Mostly, I just want to know if your opinion on shos has changed at all based on your recent interactions?
That's fair enough. I feel like there was too much 'lurker' talk. To me lurking is an intentional thing to try and do, and I didn't want to be lumped in there. If people are going to scumread me (or anyone), I want it to be relevant to the game, rather than the activity of a player. Hence why I called out Copper for essentially saying Tiershift disappeared because I pressured him, which is just untrue on so many levels. He said he disappeared for legit reasons (and I will never presume a player lies about out of game stuff), and I was hardly the power player to make scum!Tier back down. So that's where the context of a player's activity matters. His inactivity over the weekend doesn't matter just like mine didn't just like anyone else who claimed v/la doesn't.
My perspective on Shos then was this, it was not an interaction I was a part of that led to all the scumreads. It's not that I was intentionally avoiding it, it was that it happened when I wasn't really part of the game. As far as Shos now I am sour of him as a player, and if I didn't personally have a history of him pushing alignment independent reasons for scumreading me, I'd be all over his lynch at the moment. I know he does it as town, I don't know if he does it regardless of alignment or not.-
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In post 993, Cephrir wrote:In post 985, T-Bone wrote:In post 981, Cephrir wrote:In post 962, T-Bone wrote:
Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.
It does. I do not have any scumreads right now that aren't Katsuki, who we aren't lynching today because of basically nothing. Unless you are suggesting I lynch my townreads, this is my best option at the moment. It's not like I voted you, though. I just expressed my willingness to lynch you because you're in the large group of players I'm unsure about and you've also been useless. Even now, you're here and able to write a lot of words and you still aren't doing anything that doesn't directly relate to yourself.
I find it easier when I am behind on a game to focus on myself first to get back into it. I do it pretty much in every game regardless of alignment. I don't fault you for being willing to lynch a player in your null pool, I faulted you for not making an attempt to do something about it beyond 'hey utility lynch'. When someone invokes the term 'utility lynch' it tells me that you don't care who gets lynched, as it doesn't matter so long as someone gets lynched, and that's a scum mindset. Your language suggested to me not that you had a pool of players you were unwilling to lynch, it suggested to me you just wanted to direct the lynch on a random player because it doesn't matter to you so long as it isn't you. That's my perspective on it.
I phrased it as utility because I don't see you doing anything. This means you're unlikely to produce anything in the future that will help me read you. I could add LLD to the group I'd be willing to lynch for the same reason. I wish I had more confident reads. I could almost get excited about a reck wagon but not quite
Then I guess we have different definitions because that's how I interpreted it. I am certainly not confident on any reads. In a sense it was kinda easier to call people scum when I wasn't interacting with them because now I don't know.-
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In post 1046, pirate mollie wrote:okay i have caught up. I have been busy all afternoon and evening.
tboner I have played with you when you been both alignments and what I am not seeing here is you sinking your teeth into the game which reminds me of upick song. you kept prevaricating until I rode you and even then you were meh until finally you fake-claimed a guilty on mine and nacho's hydra which was suicide. you have done nothing and continue to nothing but will post when you are under attack and defend yourself while...doing nothing. if you are town you need to come into the thread and razzle and dazzle us cos I am just sort of wanting to lynch you at this point.
if you need an incentive here ya go!
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i am not buying the HIDING BEHIND THE DRAMAZ of copper's force replace it looks like you are just trying to come with excuses (which is your scumplay) to justify not doing a thing or scumhunt or be particularly useful in any way. shos makes some good points about you needing to be beetlejuiced into the thread in order to get involved when you cld have been doing this the whole time.
Umm what? Are we playing the same game? I'm scum by not playing to my scumplay in another game? Let's ignore the fact that this is all ridiculous. Breaking it down. The first thing you said is that in upick song contest (a game in which I was scum) I was intense and fakeclaimed a guilty on you to try and get you lynched. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? You're just throwing up words now. In what world should I be doing anything like that in THIS game? Oh and I love the 'you have done nothing and continue to do nothing" because now when I start posting I am scum for it. WHAT? Are you serious? This accusation literally means nothing because you can accuse anyone of this. Don't throw your cookie-cutter shit at me. I am unique and I demand unique reasons to scumread me. You want someone who is doing nothing? How about your buddy shos who is using the absolute WORST reasoning ever known to mafia. You should actually be ashamed when reading Shos posts in regards to my activity. I am so glad you replaced out mollie, because obviously you are not the caliber of player you pretend to be. You throw up your big manifesto against me and leave the game.
I am sick of your and shos and everyone else's shit about my activity. You are fucking calling me personally, not T-Bone, a fucking liar by saying that I am hiding behind my spotty activity. That is fucking bullshit. FUCKING BULLSHIT you see this Mollie? You are fucking calling me a liar with this shit about my activity levels and attacking my credibility as a player and a member of this site to justify your bullshit vote. Good riddance that you are gone in this game and maybe Shos can follow.-
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In post 1048, TierShift wrote:T-bone, stop making lame excuses and talk to me about your reads.
WHAT? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? YOU MEAN THIS POST WHERE I ALREADY FUCKING DID?
In post 957, T-Bone wrote:In post 952, TierShift wrote:T-bone, how are your reads coming along?
I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.
In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.
To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.-
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NO, I'M NOT GONNA LET SHOS AND MOLLIE PERSONALLY ATTACK MY CREDIBILITY TO JUSTIFY THEIR VOTES. THIS IS BEYOND THE GAME WHEN THEY CAN GO "BONE IS LYING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO POST WHEN HE DIDN'T POST". THAT IS A FUCKING PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY CREDIBILITY AS A PLAYER ON THIS SITE AND ITS BULLSHIT.-
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In post 1080, TierShift wrote:If you expect anyone to be able to read posts like that, think again.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. I DISCUSSED MY READS WITH YOU YESTERDAY YOU NEVER RESPONDED, AND THEN YOU POSTED AS IF I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY READS.-
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How the fuck am I supposed to play this game, how the fuck am I supposed to interact with you, when I try to engage you with my reads that you complete ignore it and tell everyone that I am ignoring you and not giving my reads?
How the fuck am I suppose to play when my credibility as a player is being attacked personally? How the fuck does anyone defend from "you are obviously lying about your real life constraints to strategically avoid this thread". When Copper tried to do the same to you I DEFENDED you for it. I will defend anyone for it, but I can't get the same courtesy?-
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Like even though I was voting you and pushing the vote, I defended you from Copper when he pointed to your activity as a reason you were scum. It frustrates me and pisses me off that I have to defend myself from the same bullshit, and every time I go away for the day I gotta come back and NOPE someone else is pushing this bullshit on me instead that I have to somehow defend from. When the hell do I have time to even push my reads when I got all that coming at me from all sides?-
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Because I am frustrated over what I actually have to defend myself from. I have to defend myself from the fucking TIMING of my post vs. Ceph, from NOT POSTING on Sunday when I had to ask the Mod to look at something, from NOT being here for whatever reason, for not faking a guilty on Mollie, for not posting reads for Tier and then being told that my reads don't matter because they aren't in a format he wants to read...Like its so fucking ridiculous-
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I don't even know anymore Rhinox.-
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Also I am sorry for getting mad guys.