Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[T-Bone]

I confirm that I am an unlynchable unkillable supersaint with a side of miller.

Alternatively, I was a flavor cop last set-up, I could determine whether a player had preformed a night kill or not.

[T-Bone]

Your avatar is slow.

[T-Bone]

That's hilarious on so many levels Tier:

- I am bold as fuck when I play scum.

- One of the reasons why Sthar8 townread me in the game we just played together was me being conciliatory for the sake of information gathering.

- I just finished butting heads with Ceph.

Are you bored with this game and scum claiming?

Uh, take it easy. Why do you feel the need to reference self-meta at the notion of being attacked?

Self-meta defense alert!

Vote: Copper

[T-Bone]

It's not so much a tell, it's that he broke out the tried and true defense after one vote in this early part of the game.

[T-Bone]

Because there is value in figuring out/speccing/lying about the previous setup (which you also did anyway)? Walk me through the pointlessness NotSci.

[T-Bone]

Re: 202. You didn't purposely not quote the post in which I elaborated did you?

[T-Bone]

You can't be serious Rhinox.

[T-Bone]

I am just trying to stay current with the game, as I am busy till about mid-next week.

[T-Bone]

^^^ 10/10 would read again.

[T-Bone]

Oh yeah T-bone could use sme pressure votes too

VOTE: cabd

You misspelled 'T-Bone' bud.

[T-Bone]

Don't be lazy scum and ask someone else to pressure me. Cabd already has heat on him so let's not pretend you're adding to it when you say things like 'let's pressure bone lololol'

[T-Bone]

Vote: Tiershift

Voting is a bitch on a phone or I would have done this a few hours ago. Let's lynch him.

[T-Bone]

Mollie I have a cop guilty on you

Also, tell me what you think about Tier ta.

[T-Bone]

Mollie I have a cop guilty on you

Also, tell me what you think about Tier ta.

do you mean other than what I said?

cld you plz explain the gamestate from your perspective plz?

cos I am really interested!

All you said was that he was aggressive like Ceph, and that they are in step. But hey more time has passed and we can revisit this in a bit. Obviously I didn't like him asking for other players to pressure me (aka come up with a reason to scumread me)...why couldn't he have done that himself? Too Copper's credit he's at least continually asking people why I am town, Tiershift doesn't care. His posts read to me like a commentary on the game, with very little original input coming from himself.

The gamestate for me is that right now I am just keeping current with the game, as I'll have more time later in the week when I finish taking care of business IRL (I'm on a v/la tag). Tier pings me the hardest as scum. I can't say I have a secondary scumread at this point as I haven't been able to properly engage. You know how I play, this is evident. I've softened on Copper because he is actually persistent in trying to get reads, on a player (me) who has just enough presence in this game to not be a "lurker push", if that makes sense. Reck might as well be confirmed town to me, UT is probably the player that knows my game the best on this site, and I wouldn't expect scumReck to unpromptedly give us UT's town read on me.

I'm mostly keeping track of interactions that are subject of me at this point.

[T-Bone]

Horray?

[T-Bone]

Oh man I am so dazzled by your post!

[T-Bone]

Can you dazzle me with why you are voting Cabd now....for....FIFTY POINTS???

[T-Bone]

Can you dazzle me with why you are voting Cabd now....for....FIFTY POINTS???

I'm going to try to be somewhat more conservative with voting. Cabd's catchup was shitty.

T-bone, where are you going with this attack on me? I really don't understand where you're coming from and why you're singling out on me. The things you pick feel like arbitrary elements of someone's game that you could pick out of anyone's right now.

Arbitrary? I picked out a single thing to develop my read to begin with, and then yes I added on a few other things that don't sit right with me. I'm always wary of volume posters who try oh so hard to assert themselves as the town leader and that's what I think you were doing. Like, I'm coming into the thread after things, I'm not reacting to anything in real time right now, or my approach would be different.

[T-Bone]

As far as I can tell you are not reacting to anything in any time

Yes thank you, I had no idea, being on limited access and all. But hey snippy comments are a great way to engage a player!

[T-Bone]

As an aside I have spent too much time on the site this evening to continue to justify my limited access, so I am just gonna remove the tag and not have that hanging over me.

[T-Bone]

oh mollie

[T-Bone]

let's talk! I think you are town, how does this make you feel? I also have no particular interest in the two main wagons (shos, katsuki) that have cropped up today. They don't interest me because I haven't had the opportunity to be involved with either player. My feelings on Tier are pretty much the same, and in my gut I don't like Ceph right now. Any of those reads we should discuss?

[T-Bone]

Well it's not just me that has the feeling from Ceph and Tier then. I did soften on copper, he sits somewhere in the middle for me. Reck is a town read, and I'm not going to fault him or anyone for not having a presence in the thread when I have had the least amount on presence. Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.

[T-Bone]

Tier has enough posts for people to develop a read off of. Not posting because he's not posting isn't one of them. It's lazy.

[T-Bone]

I am pushing him as scum because of one specific event, and then some other tonal things I got from him early on. Specifically him asking for SOMEONE ELSE to pressure vote me...because he couldn't do it himself? He voted Cabd in the same post, but Cabd already had pressure on him at that point so what was Tier adding to the situation? The answer is nothing. I felt like he was just waiting for someone to go 'Bone is scum' so he could switch votes but that never happened. When I challenged him on this he brushed me off. And then since then he hasn't posted for personal reasons, I wasn't posting for personal reasons, so that's where I am in regards to him, a holding pattern.

You were around when this happened, I ask you on your thoughts about Tier, but you brushed me off saying you already gave them. When I posted later saying that you didn't give much of anything about him, I don't recall you ever responding.

[T-Bone]

I'm talking in regards from my 309 and then my 406 Mollie.

[T-Bone]

Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.

I've hardly mentioned you at all. I'm not coming towards you at all??? Explain this.

I was talking about our little early day interactions (you know the one where you misrepped my vote on copper ;P). Though I attributed Oversoul's reads that you posted as your own. But I hate blanket statements "we think PLAYER's entrance was awful" because that's just lazy.

[T-Bone]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

can we lynch this?

can anyone give me a reason not to, in fact? in consideration of gameplay and claim?

Can you explain for me?

[T-Bone]

I didn't ask for a solid read, and I don't expect everyone to have a solid read on everyone (lord knows I don't). I was trying at the time to have a discussion and bounce some things off of you but that never happened.

[T-Bone]

Ok T-Bone, I can see Tier being scum here:

VOTE: Tier

He is switching tones too often, he was very dogmatic and authoritative to start out with, I am still iffy on the way he pushed on me and then backed off, and after the T-Bone argument he has shut down only to follow up on my: possibly he is demotivated after the argument with T-Bone using a similar argument about not having the motivation to play mafia which looks pretty manipulative, while at the same time calling me out for giving meta about him that wasn't even a read, which looks hyper defensive.

Not for nothing, but he cited game-independent reasons for not being here...Hardly a three post exchange with the player with the least amount of posts is grounds for 'demotivated scum'.

[T-Bone]

Prod acknowledged, be back later...

[T-Bone]

Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with. And you wonder why you're being scumread...

[T-Bone]

I mean sure, it's great for you, since you'll have very little ties to the mislynch. "guys it was just a utility lynch on an absent player, not my problem don't read into it kthxbye". Yeah I can see that being your Day 2 argument if that were to come to pass.

[T-Bone]

In post 708, T-Bone wrote:
I was talking about our little early day interactions (you know the one where you misrepped my vote on copper ;P). Though I attributed Oversoul's reads that you posted as your own. But I hate blanket statements "we think PLAYER's entrance was awful" because that's just lazy.

THAT'S what you're hung up on? I mean I figured my use of the emoticon would be a dead giveaway that I was joking around there. I do think your vote was lazy with or without the explanation you gave, and I'm pretty sure that was the same thing oversoul was referring to when he said your entrance was awful, which is why I agreed with the assessment. But that early in the game all I was trying to say was stop being lazy and play better. I don't get why sharing my team reads, or referring to things we agree with with a "we" pronoun, is lazy. I'm more worried about the players who haven't referenced their team's thoughts at all. Its easy for 1 player as scum to fake appearing to be town. Its a lot harder to fake town on 4 different players' thoughts.

Oh, well I took that as a serious thing coming from you. I believe we were out of 'RVS' at that point.

[T-Bone]

But that makes utility lynching in Cabd/T-Bone sound pretty appealing

Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with. And you wonder why you're being scumread...

so seriously
Tboner didn't say shit in days
then the moment he is mentioned he replies in *THREE* MINUTES

this lurking is waaaay off

VOTE: T-bone

Oh man you're right. As soon as I was mentioned I should have stopped reading the thread and wait until people weren't talking about me. That would be the town thing to do right? Oh no? That would actually be the scum thing to do? Holy shit!

I'm not a lurker, I LEGITIMATELY haven't been here, haven't been on the site except to Mod my game real quick. Lurking implies that there is an intentional effort to not post in the game, while still being around elsewhere on the site, which is not the case. So I'm not a fucking lurker. It's the same fucking shit you did in InYuasha that pissed me off, because you kept going "it's a 7-headed hydra that isn't posting SCUM" when it was just fucking ME because my other 6 heads fucking abandoned me, but when you were repeatedly told this you put your fingers in your ears and went "lalalala I'm not listening". You seem to be incapable of understanding what 'alignment-independent' things are.

[T-Bone]

What the does that have to do with anything? if we were town you would have done the same thing because you seem incapable of understanding what alignment-independent things are. The fact that I got abandoned by my heads in that game and was forced to go in alone had nothing to do with my alignment. The fact that I have to do a final and write up a thesis proposal has nothing to do with my alignment this game. Ceph was the Mod, he know how legitimately angry I was. It's fucking stupid when someone makes the argument "he's scum for the way he distributes his activity" because there is no real defense for that, it's a fucking stupid argument to make, and has never ever in the history of mafia ever been alignment relevant.

You literally just said "T-Bone took three minutes to respond so he's scum". So obviously then the town thing to do would have been not to post right? Because that's exactly what you said. Which tells me you have no idea what's going on in this game. I haven't been here and I have a better handle on things than you.

[T-Bone]

When the crutch of your argument is "he posted too soon he's scum, town would not have responded so fast", is the moment when you need to realize you have a stupid argument. This is twice in as many games as you have pulled this shit on me.

[T-Bone]

And my point that you don't seem to understand what alignment-independent means. You didn't do dick to catch scum, and you and I both know it. You were suspicious of my slot in that game because we supposedly had 7 heads in the hydra. I could understand in that game that when I repeatedly told you "no, this is a 1-headed hydra" that you could think I was lying. But in retrospect now that you know the truth you have to realize that makes you lucky, not that you had any good reasoning in that game, because the one thing you hung your hat on the most as the reason we were scum wasn't even true. The ONE reason you had wasn't even true. That makes you a broken clock.

[T-Bone]

T-bone, how are your reads coming along?

I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.

In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.

To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.

[T-Bone]

You mean the thing I just said in that post where "took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting....when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'".

[T-Bone]

No, I'm saying that argument is lazy. No one has really taken issue with any particular thing I have posted. I think someone scoffed at my reason for townreading Reck, but that's about it. What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum? You're telling me you'd be willing to lynch any player based on that flimsy alignment independent reasoning?

2+ days out is hardly that point. We're close, but we're not there yet. I know I am voting myself, and I want to keep it there for the moment based on potential role interactions with Cabd. I know I'm the last player that should be saying "i'll have plenty of time to change my vote" but I'll have plenty of time to change my vote.

Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.

[T-Bone]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

So obviously the protown thing to do was not post. Is that right? Since the scummy thing was to post according to you. If not, what was the protown response? This is why you are making a dumb argument, because there is no answer or explanation about this, you're just throwing a tried and true shit method up on the wall because for some reason you think activity is alignment-dependent.

Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me, and instead of posting I had to stop everything I was doing to PM the appropriate Mods. So you know, I was already caught up, and the only new posts when I got on this morning were Ceph's. But no, you don't consider things like that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Instead I am scum waiting for the right moment to derail any discussion about me...despite the fact that this isn't the first time that I have gone long periods without a post (it's happened frequently due to outside influences), so again this doesn't even fit your narrative either. The fact that you are so blind to the obvious baffles me, and if weren't for the fact that you have a history of doing this to me, I'd be calling for your lynch in every single post I would ever make from that point on because you are pushing SCUMLOGIC.

[T-Bone]

I don't want to make this discussion about that game or copper, I don't think he intentionally did it, he's a player who likes to solve set-ups. I'm not sure if that is alignment-indicative for him or not, as I do not have any completed experience with him. In general I find set-up breaking bad, but too many players do it to call him scum.

What about me makes me a villiage idiot Iece, this is hardly our first game together. We've played as scum together, I'm pretty sure we've played as town and opposite alignments, so it's not like you have no experience with me.

Wow shos, are you seriously contending that it was my scum strategy to ask the Mod to look into something potentially game-breaking for me upon my catch-up? If that is the case please never ever play mafia again until you learn what alignment-independent means.

[T-Bone]

Like it was well documented that I was going to be inactive last week. I said so. I was v/la. I said so again. None of any of that had anything to do with my alignment. So for you to continue to come up with activity related shit that has nothing to do with the game is ridiculous, and I apologize to everyone else in the game for you for burdening us with your reasonings.

[T-Bone]

Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.

It does. I do not have any scumreads right now that aren't Katsuki, who we aren't lynching today because of basically nothing. Unless you are suggesting I lynch my townreads, this is my best option at the moment. It's not like I voted you, though. I just expressed my willingness to lynch you because you're in the large group of players I'm unsure about and you've also been useless. Even now, you're here and able to write a lot of words and you still aren't doing anything that doesn't directly relate to yourself.

I find it easier when I am behind on a game to focus on myself first to get back into it. I do it pretty much in every game regardless of alignment. I don't fault you for being willing to lynch a player in your null pool, I faulted you for not making an attempt to do something about it beyond 'hey utility lynch'. When someone invokes the term 'utility lynch' it tells me that you don't care who gets lynched, as it doesn't matter so long as someone gets lynched, and that's a scum mindset. Your language suggested to me not that you had a pool of players you were unwilling to lynch, it suggested to me you just wanted to direct the lynch on a random player because it doesn't matter to you so long as it isn't you. That's my perspective on it.

[T-Bone]

What did your avatar used to be? Maybe that would help me.

I think the main thing is your sentence structure, which includes lots of run-ons.

I had the Hypnotoad avatar for the longest time, and then changed it to it's current one as a jab at mastin who was so upset Marquis and I won the award this year. I'll try and structure sentences better for you? I'm not really planning out what I'm saying or anything, I'm just reacting to what's here.

[T-Bone]

No, I'm saying that argument is lazy. No one has really taken issue with any particular thing I have posted. I think someone scoffed at my reason for townreading Reck, but that's about it. What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum? You're telling me you'd be willing to lynch any player based on that flimsy alignment independent reasoning?

2+ days out is hardly that point. We're close, but we're not there yet. I know I am voting myself, and I want to keep it there for the moment based on potential role interactions with Cabd. I know I'm the last player that should be saying "i'll have plenty of time to change my vote" but I'll have plenty of time to change my vote.

Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.

Well you are a tough one to read because as you say you haven't been here much. But I did just read through you in iso and you have said some stuff and you're also right that there really isn't much there to have a problem with on the surface.

I do have a problem with how much you've been quick to remind us all how you're busy and haven't been here much. I mean out of your 40 posts probably close to 25% of them contain those kinds of comments and that seems like a lot. Just seems like someone spending so much effort reminding us how you haven't been here that much could probably redirect that effort to something more useful.

I did notice in your iso at some point you said you had no interest in lynching shos because you hadn't interracted with him at all. First off that is pretty lazy on your part. I mean there are a few people I haven't interracted with much at all yet but if one of them were a top wagon I'm reasonably sure I could read some of their posts and determine whether or not I had any interest in lynching them based on content, and not just outright dismissed them. Or at least made some effort to try to interract with them to form a read since at the time they were the 2 leading candidates for lynching. Mostly, I just want to know if your opinion on shos has changed at all based on your recent interactions?

That's fair enough. I feel like there was too much 'lurker' talk. To me lurking is an intentional thing to try and do, and I didn't want to be lumped in there. If people are going to scumread me (or anyone), I want it to be relevant to the game, rather than the activity of a player. Hence why I called out Copper for essentially saying Tiershift disappeared because I pressured him, which is just untrue on so many levels. He said he disappeared for legit reasons (and I will never presume a player lies about out of game stuff), and I was hardly the power player to make scum!Tier back down. So that's where the context of a player's activity matters. His inactivity over the weekend doesn't matter just like mine didn't just like anyone else who claimed v/la doesn't.

My perspective on Shos then was this, it was not an interaction I was a part of that led to all the scumreads. It's not that I was intentionally avoiding it, it was that it happened when I wasn't really part of the game. As far as Shos now I am sour of him as a player, and if I didn't personally have a history of him pushing alignment independent reasons for scumreading me, I'd be all over his lynch at the moment. I know he does it as town, I don't know if he does it regardless of alignment or not.

[T-Bone]

Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.

It does. I do not have any scumreads right now that aren't Katsuki, who we aren't lynching today because of basically nothing. Unless you are suggesting I lynch my townreads, this is my best option at the moment. It's not like I voted you, though. I just expressed my willingness to lynch you because you're in the large group of players I'm unsure about and you've also been useless. Even now, you're here and able to write a lot of words and you still aren't doing anything that doesn't directly relate to yourself.

I find it easier when I am behind on a game to focus on myself first to get back into it. I do it pretty much in every game regardless of alignment. I don't fault you for being willing to lynch a player in your null pool, I faulted you for not making an attempt to do something about it beyond 'hey utility lynch'. When someone invokes the term 'utility lynch' it tells me that you don't care who gets lynched, as it doesn't matter so long as someone gets lynched, and that's a scum mindset. Your language suggested to me not that you had a pool of players you were unwilling to lynch, it suggested to me you just wanted to direct the lynch on a random player because it doesn't matter to you so long as it isn't you. That's my perspective on it.

I phrased it as utility because I don't see you doing anything. This means you're unlikely to produce anything in the future that will help me read you. I could add LLD to the group I'd be willing to lynch for the same reason. I wish I had more confident reads. I could almost get excited about a reck wagon but not quite

Then I guess we have different definitions because that's how I interpreted it. I am certainly not confident on any reads. In a sense it was kinda easier to call people scum when I wasn't interacting with them because now I don't know.

[T-Bone]

I didn't prepare any posts to make.

[T-Bone]

[T-Bone]

okay i have caught up. I have been busy all afternoon and evening.


tboner I have played with you when you been both alignments and what I am not seeing here is you sinking your teeth into the game which reminds me of upick song. you kept prevaricating until I rode you and even then you were meh until finally you fake-claimed a guilty on mine and nacho's hydra which was suicide. you have done nothing and continue to nothing but will post when you are under attack and defend yourself while...doing nothing. if you are town you need to come into the thread and razzle and dazzle us cos I am just sort of wanting to lynch you at this point.

if you need an incentive here ya go!

VOTE: tbone

i am not buying the HIDING BEHIND THE DRAMAZ of copper's force replace it looks like you are just trying to come with excuses (which is your scumplay) to justify not doing a thing or scumhunt or be particularly useful in any way. shos makes some good points about you needing to be beetlejuiced into the thread in order to get involved when you cld have been doing this the whole time.

Umm what? Are we playing the same game? I'm scum by not playing to my scumplay in another game? Let's ignore the fact that this is all ridiculous. Breaking it down. The first thing you said is that in upick song contest (a game in which I was scum) I was intense and fakeclaimed a guilty on you to try and get you lynched. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? You're just throwing up words now. In what world should I be doing anything like that in THIS game? Oh and I love the 'you have done nothing and continue to do nothing" because now when I start posting I am scum for it. WHAT? Are you serious? This accusation literally means nothing because you can accuse anyone of this. Don't throw your cookie-cutter shit at me. I am unique and I demand unique reasons to scumread me. You want someone who is doing nothing? How about your buddy shos who is using the absolute WORST reasoning ever known to mafia. You should actually be ashamed when reading Shos posts in regards to my activity. I am so glad you replaced out mollie, because obviously you are not the caliber of player you pretend to be. You throw up your big manifesto against me and leave the game.

I am sick of your and shos and everyone else's shit about my activity. You are fucking calling me personally, not T-Bone, a fucking liar by saying that I am hiding behind my spotty activity. That is fucking bullshit. FUCKING BULLSHIT you see this Mollie? You are fucking calling me a liar with this shit about my activity levels and attacking my credibility as a player and a member of this site to justify your bullshit vote. Good riddance that you are gone in this game and maybe Shos can follow.

[T-Bone]

Un-fucking-vote

[T-Bone]

T-bone, stop making lame excuses and talk to me about your reads.

WHAT? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? YOU MEAN THIS POST WHERE I ALREADY FUCKING DID?

T-bone, how are your reads coming along?

I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.

In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.

To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.

[T-Bone]

NO, I'M NOT GONNA LET SHOS AND MOLLIE PERSONALLY ATTACK MY CREDIBILITY TO JUSTIFY THEIR VOTES. THIS IS BEYOND THE GAME WHEN THEY CAN GO "BONE IS LYING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO POST WHEN HE DIDN'T POST". THAT IS A FUCKING PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY CREDIBILITY AS A PLAYER ON THIS SITE AND ITS BULLSHIT.

[T-Bone]

If you expect anyone to be able to read posts like that, think again.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. I DISCUSSED MY READS WITH YOU YESTERDAY YOU NEVER RESPONDED, AND THEN YOU POSTED AS IF I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY READS.

[T-Bone]

How the fuck am I supposed to play this game, how the fuck am I supposed to interact with you, when I try to engage you with my reads that you complete ignore it and tell everyone that I am ignoring you and not giving my reads?

How the fuck am I suppose to play when my credibility as a player is being attacked personally? How the fuck does anyone defend from "you are obviously lying about your real life constraints to strategically avoid this thread". When Copper tried to do the same to you I DEFENDED you for it. I will defend anyone for it, but I can't get the same courtesy?

[T-Bone]

Like even though I was voting you and pushing the vote, I defended you from Copper when he pointed to your activity as a reason you were scum. It frustrates me and pisses me off that I have to defend myself from the same bullshit, and every time I go away for the day I gotta come back and NOPE someone else is pushing this bullshit on me instead that I have to somehow defend from. When the hell do I have time to even push my reads when I got all that coming at me from all sides?

[T-Bone]

tbone y u so mad?

Tell me, who should we lynch?

Because I am frustrated over what I actually have to defend myself from. I have to defend myself from the fucking TIMING of my post vs. Ceph, from NOT POSTING on Sunday when I had to ask the Mod to look at something, from NOT being here for whatever reason, for not faking a guilty on Mollie, for not posting reads for Tier and then being told that my reads don't matter because they aren't in a format he wants to read...Like its so fucking ridiculous

[T-Bone]

I don't even know anymore Rhinox.

[T-Bone]

Also I am sorry for getting mad guys.

[T-Bone]

T-boner, there's a key point you're missing in mafia I think - scum LIE ALL THE TIME. so me calling you a liar is not a personal attack and not unjustified by any means. you getting all mad CAPS LOCK LIKE THIS is easily faked and stupid and you're using it to ignore the content. And no, your post barely contains anything, considering there's a thousand posts you apparantly missed.

NO, there is a difference between lying in the game and then lying about general site meta. It is poor sportmanship to lie about why you were low activity, so when you are accusing me is a character thing and I take that personally.

You're also accusing me of seeking a Modkill on Copper which is so off-base, and such a low blow that you shouldn't play mafia anymore. LOW FUCKING BLOW. I had to replace out of the other game because he confirmed things to me that as a living player I shouldn't have known, because he was dead and had spoilers.

Vote: Shos

I don't care what alignment he is. He continues to come at me with low blows and doesn't deserve to play in team mafia as far as I'm concerned. You NEVER accuse a player of faking v/la or seeking a modkill on another player. I play with good sportsmanship.

[T-Bone]

Of note, that game did include T-Bone having a fake fight with a scumfriend. But that wasn't initiated until like D3, and the circumstances were unique because both of them were under a lot of suspicion and the game mechanics allowed them to duel one another, such that scum would get a bonus from the "lynch" of the other player. So the fight was used tactically to justify an "emotional" duel with the other player. But something like that isn't clearly motivated here, so it's not the same.

Let's talk Iece, cause I really want to get past Shos personal attacks on me and get into this game. As far as I'm concerned what he is doing is beyond alignment, and my outburst isn't alignment indicative, as I think I'd do it no matter what. Dynasty warriors was different in that yes that fight was a concerted effort to get other scum partner some town cred and access to their bonus power. I'm certainly not above bussing a buddy or anything like that.



I don't think faking v/la's or trying to get someone modkilled is a valid tactic anywhere on the site. Both are against the spirit of the game. There is lurking and avoiding the game and avoiding giving input strategically. That's fine. I know some people just prod dodge as a strategy and that is acceptable (albeit lame) way of handling things. When you declare yourself v/la to try and strategically avoid the game is different, because now you are using outside influences on the game to influence it, and that is against the spirit of the game, unsportsmanlike, and all that stuff.

Seeking Modkills is not valid either. I don't believe in 'win-at-all-costs'. Modkills are meant as a punishment to a player who breaks rules, not as an extra kill mechanic for scum (or town). That once again falls under unsportsmanlike conduct and has no place in mafia.

[T-Bone]

It's my understanding that site regulations about that kind of thing are that they don't modkill on the grounds that it creates a perverse incentive.

But I was recently in a game where the mods decided to modkill people for EXTREMELY trivial stuff. So maybe that has changed.

No, Modkills are meant to punish players, and are usually done in extreme cases. Force replaces are the site norm. I know sometimes Modkills are invoked as a mafia mechanic (such as UnCouth Mafia), and that's different entirely from what we're talking about.

Ultimately this is a discussion more suited for MD, but these are my feelings on it, and I don't appreciate being accused of doing them.

[T-Bone]

Okay, I understand your v/la point.

While Modkills happen, I don't think seeking them out is the right way to play as any alignment. The Copper situation was unique in that he was dead and spoiled about the game he was referring to and I was alive. I don't think he was intentionally trying to spoil me to get me out of that game or anything, he was trying to make a point and forgot about dead knowledge vs. living knowledge in the game.

Preedit: If it wasn't about the v/la and being accused of using it to intentionally hide from the game, it wouldn't be as big a deal to me. But my mindset on this is pretty consistent and clear, I don't think picking at someone's activity is a valid accusation. I would never think you, or Tier, or anyone was using their v/la as an excuse to hide from the thread, that's unsportsmanlike. We've all been sick. If I'm sick even though I may be at my computer I don't want to be playing mafia, so I don't blame Cabd, I didn't blame Tier. There is intentionally avoiding the thread for game related reasons, and there is avoiding the thread for non-game related reasons, and to me, the distinction is clear.

#2: Mine wasn't feigned I might take mafia too seriously...

[T-Bone]

perhaps i play it differently from you

ps hey guess who disappeared again that's right it's tbone

T-Bone Apr 01, 03:36pm Apr 14, 08:56pm 0 days 18 hours

Vote: Ceph

Yeah there's a scumclaim from Ceph. At the time of this post it was FIFTEEN HOURS since my last post. So what's the point of this? Ceph did this hoping I would fly off the handle and flood the thread again. There is no town motivation in trying to bait me to do so. He continues to pick a fight with Kats, he tried to push a bunch of "flashwagons". I know very few players thinks he's scum, it can be done.

Kats, I know you want to vote Ceph. Let's do it for real, he's scum. I know there are other players who have a bad feeling about Ceph. How can a player who is very purposely trying to pick a fight with two players town? The answer is that he isn't. We only need 6 votes, as Shos claims he'll hammer anyone. If I recall correctly Rhi, Iece, Reck, and Tier have expressed some reservation about Ceph. I think he's a secondary or tertiary read for enough players that we could lynch him and get his scum flip.

[T-Bone]

How the fuck am I supposed to play this game, how the fuck am I supposed to interact with you, when I try to engage you with my reads that you complete ignore it and tell everyone that I am ignoring you and not giving my reads?

How the fuck am I suppose to play when my credibility as a player is being attacked personally? How the fuck does anyone defend from "you are obviously lying about your real life constraints to strategically avoid this thread". When Copper tried to do the same to you I DEFENDED you for it. I will defend anyone for it, but I can't get the same courtesy?

I really missed your post. Can you now answer the below?

Okay I read the post and don't really get the reason for calling ceph scum. I also don't understand why you aren't pushing him.

I've made my above post, but I'll back up for you. I didn't like his utility comment in the same manner that I didn't like your comment about pressuring me, because in both cases neither of you did anything about it. Early on in this day phase it was mostly gut from me. I said what I did there because I was trying to organize my reads and trying to interact with some players. At that point I would have voted Ceph but I didn't feel really strong about it. Then we had everything that happened over the past two days happen. His vanity flashwagons that he tried to start on both myself and Reck left a bad taste in my mouth, he has been baiting Katsuki for most of the day phase, and the above post I quoted for the reasons I quoted has made me feel much more confident in the read than I was earlier in the week.

[T-Bone]

perhaps i play it differently from you

ps hey guess who disappeared again that's right it's tbone

T-Bone Apr 01, 03:36pm Apr 14, 08:56pm 0 days 18 hours

Vote: Ceph

Yeah there's a scumclaim from Ceph. At the time of this post it was FIFTEEN HOURS since my last post. So what's the point of this? Ceph did this hoping I would fly off the handle and flood the thread again. There is no town motivation in trying to bait me to do so. He continues to pick a fight with Kats, he tried to push a bunch of "flashwagons". I know very few players thinks he's scum, it can be done.

Kats, I know you want to vote Ceph. Let's do it for real, he's scum. I know there are other players who have a bad feeling about Ceph. How can a player who is very purposely trying to pick a fight with two players town? The answer is that he isn't. We only need 6 votes, as Shos claims he'll hammer anyone. If I recall correctly Rhi, Iece, Reck, and Tier have expressed some reservation about Ceph. I think he's a secondary or tertiary read for enough players that we could lynch him and get his scum flip.

This is a dreadful vote, both in timing, and in content. We are close to a deadline, do you really believe this vote has any chance of reaching a lynch?

Because the literal worst option is a no-lynch.

It's the best vote because it's on scum. I'm not going to vote for Katsuki (who has been really obvious town the last few pages) or Cabd (who hasn't been here). You are discrediting the vote without context. I'm not the only player who thinks Ceph is scum, at the very least there are other players who have him leaning more scum than town at this stage in the game. Before you go discrediting one-vote wagons get some context first.

[T-Bone]

yeah...baiting...that describes what i've been doing really well...

i have a hard time believing you even wrote that

OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me the protown motivation of the post of yours I quoted. I am waiting on baited breath for you to pull this explanation out of thin air. You've been baiting Katsuki all this day phase, and you were hoping to bait me into fliping out. Not even Shos made a comment that I had disappeared when my last post was less than a day ago.

[T-Bone]

I do hope the day ends in a no lynch just so neither of you get the lynch you want. So are you saying that is we run up Ceph to L-1 you won't hammer?

[T-Bone]

Iece, real talk Ceph with me? Let's ignore the time to deadline for a moment. What do you think about his slot?

Preedit: fair enough. Sniping at Shos aside, I'd lynch Cabd if I have to, but not Kats.

[T-Bone]

Alternatively we can lynch me right now so that when I flip everyone can disregards Shos as the ramblings of a VI and lynch Ceph and Mollie's slot the next two days. I'd be extremely okay with this. Come on Ceph and Shos, let's do it.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Cabd

No way I'm voting Kats when she's obvtowning it up all over the place.

[T-Bone]

I'll accept flashwagons on myself or Ceph or Shos though.

[T-Bone]

We can flashwagon my mislynch if you'd like instead.

[T-Bone]

I should have asked for it yesterday. Ah well tomorrow then.

[T-Bone]

Katsuki, I would must appreciate it if you didn't claim right now.

[T-Bone]

No Shos actually has a town role PM I think, he's just naturally antitown.

[T-Bone]

NS convince others to bus your partner pleaz
I'm going to arrange a bag and uniform for tomorrow, then I'm out.

I'd appreciate it if you'd include me in your mafia team, thanks. Why can't I bus my buddy? Huh? HUH?

[T-Bone]

I'm voting Cabd actually.

[T-Bone]

NS convince others to bus your partner pleaz
I'm going to arrange a bag and uniform for tomorrow, then I'm out.

I'd appreciate it if you'd include me in your mafia team, thanks. Why can't I bus my buddy? Huh? HUH?

you can join my team, I'm bussing cabd hard right now

You mean WE are bussing silly.

I also claim Masons with Kasuki, so there's that.

[T-Bone]

I do love you Shos, I do.

[T-Bone]

You should post those reads anyway

[T-Bone]

Well I can agree with mollie's slot so you aren't the only one.

[T-Bone]

Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

[T-Bone]

No surprise there, Shos has some terrible tells to rely on! No reason he'd reconsider them when they are absolute shite amirite?

[T-Bone]

Yes because I have a blatant proscum agenda by asking that in-thread. I have SO MUCH towncred that I can get away with it as scum. Alright, Ceph is still part of the scumteam then.

[T-Bone]

Dat scumclaim.

[T-Bone]

I dunno, you agree with Shoslogic so maybe this isn't the game for you either.

[T-Bone]

I'm listening Reck

[T-Bone]

Well I can say this much, Ceph is not the mafia's killer, and neither is Eddie. So, despite my scumread on both slots, it changes things for me a little and for the sake of narrowing the scumpool down I'd take them out of it. Since I thought I was the de facto lynch coming into the day I wanted to out what I had. One of those results might be a result of my action, and one of those results is the result of the Mod PMing me (presumably) someone else's random ability.

[T-Bone]

Uhhh well you guys have a hard-on for lynching me, so getting the info out now was best.

It was probably randomized, no reason someone would just give it to me.

Because I wanted to see what you'd do.

[T-Bone]

SHOS....SHOS.... I'M A INNOCENT CHILD....

[T-Bone]

TOWN MOD MASON INNOCENT CHILD WITH KATSUKI

[T-Bone]

Dear notscience,

It would be nice if you could provide some reasoning alongside your votes. I think I've been pretty town this game, so I would love to know what makes you think otherwise. Please feel free to contact me at cephrir@town.net if you would like any further information about my qualifications. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Love,
Cephrir

lolololololol. When Ceph empty votes it's okay, but when NS does it it's not...

T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

I was more likely to get a response from Ceph than I was Eddie.

[T-Bone]

That's perspective.

[T-Bone]

I did answer but let's pretend I didn't because that fits your narrative better. Just like I used some extremely under handed tactics because I am scum and that's the type of player I am. Whatever fits your narrative.

[T-Bone]

Because I wanted to see what you'd do.

That's the quote.

I mean, seriously. why the fuck would a tracker/cop/investigative role of any kind out that he is "for reactions"?

:/

I did answer but let's pretend I didn't because that fits your narrative better. Just like I used some extremely under handed tactics because I am scum and that's the type of player I am. Whatever fits your narrative.

Are you reading my posts? see the above.

your constant confbiasing in one direction or another irritates me

also this.

Yet you don't quote the part of the post where I EXPLAIN WHY I DID IT because that doesn't fit your narrative.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Shos

I mean honestly you're such a hindrance to this game and as long as you're alive town cannot win this one.

[T-Bone]

It also says "BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HARD-ON FOR LYNCHING ME DOT DOT DOT"

[T-Bone]

But that doesn't fit your narrative so you left it out of the post that you quoted, because that is the part that answers why I outted my information that I had. But you're not willing to highlight anything that doesn't fit your nonsensical 'Bone is scum' narrative.

Let's recap for the folks at home why Shos is an active detriment to finding scum. He based his reads on alignment INDEPENDENT reasoning, he accuses players of unsportsmanlike conduct, and he leaves stuff out that doesn't fit his narrative.

[T-Bone]

That any information that is contrary to your narrative that "Bone is scum" might as well not exist because you are incapable of using any sort of reason in this game. You're blinded by your nonsense.

[T-Bone]

I don't think Shos is scum I'd like to think he wouldn't be so blatantly anti-town if he was. But he's blatantly anti-town.

[T-Bone]

My answers not being good enough for your narrative doesn't make them non-answers. This is why you are anti-town. The scumteam is so happy you are in this game because they know you are on their side.

[T-Bone]

...you're joking.

[T-Bone]

...you're fucking joking Eddie right? Your next post is gonna be "hahaha I'm just messing with you Boner chill out" right?

[T-Bone]

Like you're not really accusing me of ignoring what is going on in the thread while you, yourself, is IGNORING WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE THREAD!

[T-Bone]

Eddie what did you do last night? Please answer this question so that I may IGNORE that you've answered it and can accuse you of dancing around the question please. I solemnly swear that when you answer the question I will pretend that you never did and accuse you as such.

[T-Bone]

Bins is dead bro.

[T-Bone]

Please be very clear when answering this question, certain players are liable to ignore you and demand you answer it over and over again.

<3 Ceph

[T-Bone]

guys i have a post restriction that forces me to ask people to explain why they have their opinions

it's called a town win condition

so please humor me i know i'm playing like a crazy person here

A+ legitimately the best thing I have ever read. DAW

[T-Bone]

HUR DUR LOOK AT BONE AVOID THE THREAD

Just wanted to save you the trouble Shos/Ceph.

[T-Bone]

Also Eddie didn't answer my question so obvious confirm-bias must be scum.

[T-Bone]

I don't know Eddie is town, I know he probably didn't commit the night kill. I think he's still probably scum.

[T-Bone]

Also notice the tongue and cheek in both of those posts Iece as things I have been accused of doing for BASELESS REASONS.

[T-Bone]

I don't believe either of them took action last night. So I mean it's up to everyone what they think about it. My original plan was just to say to remove them from the lynch pool because I know neither of them killed Bins. My working scumteam going into the night phase was Eddie/Ceph/LLD. Maybe I'm wrong on Ceph? There are occasional town vibes from him just get awash in his overall body of work.

And antagonistic is what I do, I'm a bitter player sometimes. Plus I secretly hope that if I drill this into the thread enough when I get mislynched Shos will realize how actively bad he has been this game (and others) and take a step towards not being bad.

[T-Bone]

Hence my working theory scumteam, that is based on the players I felt are scummiest.

[T-Bone]

Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

What response did you expect to this?

Maybe you might have stumbled because you do have a scum ability and didn't use it or something. I had the tracker/cop gambit in mind when I posted it, going for a little misdirection to try and slip you up.

T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

I was more likely to get a response from Ceph than I was Eddie.

[/quote]

Because both wouldn't realisitcally work "hey Ceph I saw what you did now slip up!" *Ceph doesn't* ... "Hey Eddie I saw what you did now slip up" that progression is even more ridiculous than just picking one.

I don't believe either of them took action last night. So I mean it's up to everyone what they think about it. My original plan was just to say to remove them from the lynch pool because I know neither of them killed Bins. My working scumteam going into the night phase was Eddie/Ceph/LLD. Maybe I'm wrong on Ceph? There are occasional town vibes from him just get awash in his overall body of work.

Could you explain the flow of this paragraph to me? How do we get from "my ORIGINAL PLAN was X... and that is still sort of my plan but I feel mildly conflicted about it" ?[/quote]

You're not being belligerently scummy when I am calling you scum, we're not really arguing about it and I don't know how to handle it.

[T-Bone]

Damn, guess I am the worst at quote tags.

[T-Bone]

Damn we are hopeless.

[T-Bone]

To be fair I tried to fix your mistakes but I guess I made it worse.

[T-Bone]

Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

What response did you expect to this?

Maybe you might have stumbled because you do have a scum ability and didn't use it or something. I had the tracker/cop gambit in mind when I posted it, going for a little misdirection to try and slip you up.

I can surmise what you mean by that gambit. I'm not sure it works when it's not actually a gambit though. I don't know how that could have hypothetically messed me up, but eeeeeh.

T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

I was more likely to get a response from Ceph than I was Eddie.

Because both wouldn't realisitcally work "hey Ceph I saw what you did now slip up!" *Ceph doesn't* ... "Hey Eddie I saw what you did now slip up" that progression is even more ridiculous than just picking one.

You could've pretended you were reaction testing me or something? Eh. I'm not sure if this is just thoughtless play or me expecting too much or there in fact not really being a great choice for handling that.

I don't believe either of them took action last night. So I mean it's up to everyone what they think about it. My original plan was just to say to remove them from the lynch pool because I know neither of them killed Bins. My working scumteam going into the night phase was Eddie/Ceph/LLD. Maybe I'm wrong on Ceph? There are occasional town vibes from him just get awash in his overall body of work.

Could you explain the flow of this paragraph to me? How do we get from "my ORIGINAL PLAN was X... and that is still sort of my plan but I feel mildly conflicted about it" ?

You're not being belligerently scummy when I am calling you scum, we're not really arguing about it and I don't know how to handle it.

Indeed not, I'm just trying to figure out if you're town right now. There was a question here thoughhhh

Okay this is perfect, not tempting fate so we'll just do bullet points.

o. Don't have anything to add here.

o. I'm not going to pretend to do something I wasn't doing for the sake of 'looking town' or 'making sense'. Mith knows I'm doing a terrible job at this anyway I'm not sure faking it would help me.

o. Well I mean, there is my thought process my reply was the point of the thought process. Because you keep making posts where I go "okay meebe he's town OH BUT wait I see all these other things that makes me think not town ARGH". Why can't you just be consistently scummy dammit?

[T-Bone]

I care Ceph, am I not good enough for you?

[T-Bone]

OH MAN SHOS, 5 MINUTES BETWEEN WISDOM CALLING OUT LLD AND LLD POSTING!

[T-Bone]

Well technically I posted within THREE MINUTES. But yes Shos did this to me already.

[T-Bone]

Nah man sorry

My only scumbuddies are my teammates

*makes note to tell team*

I can buy LLD as scum too.

[T-Bone]

You went from calling Cabd 'nullscum' and voting him to Cabd as town being whiteknighted real fast. Prey tell what did Cabd do to change your read on him?

[T-Bone]

OH WAIT nothing because Cabd hasn't posted in two days, and don't try to claim his alignment has anything to do with LLD, that's not progression that's changing your read to fit your narrative.

[T-Bone]

Yes with LLD's scumflip I can se- oh wait, almost got me there.

It'd be one thing if we've flipped LLD (which I'm not opposed to doing), but you're clearly just doing it to fit your LLDscum narrative with no progression from Cabd's slot.

Preedit: Or your both scum...

[T-Bone]

It's not a 1v1 when we should lynch Shos first.

[T-Bone]

It's hard, because I think Shos needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later, plus I'm scumreading both your slots (and you towned it up until the readflip on Cabd)

[T-Bone]

lol telling Shos to 'just read my posts'. He has more important things to read, like my timestamps.

Hey Shos, we're your obligitory scumread on LLD? She responded after FIVE MINUTES of being called scum. Or is anything over 4 minutes protown?

[T-Bone]

I also literally said "I think I am the probable lynch today here is my info". Since Shos likes to leave FACTS out of this thread in favor of his narrative.

[T-Bone]

Well I mean if you could have ACTUALLY came up with game relevant reasons against me Day 1, I might take you seriously. But since you can't even be consistent with your own scumtells (still have yet to call LLD scum for coming into the thread within 5 minutes) there's no reason I should take you seriously as a player or think that you can do anything but hinder a town win. You have baseless scumreads based on nothing, you make personal attacks, and you ignores the facts when it doesn't fit your narrative. Until you can change all of that I don't want to hear you complain about my responses to you. This is on YOUR POOR GAMEPLAY, not mine.

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Which slot has been town the whole game, do you mean Shos or Wisdom there?

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Don't worry I will whiteknight you for bussing and everything will be okay.

[T-Bone]

And there will be chainsaw defenses and white flag gambits in there somewhere.

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T-Bone: Grey complains that T-Bone's posting complaining that people are shortposting and attacking him, when he's doing similar shortposting and bitching is bad, and wants him dead ASAP.

Also instead of giving fakereads from GreyIce, have him read the thread before regurgitating something like this because I am not complaining that people are shortposting, and only attacking Shos because he is actively being anti-town. Ta.

(sorry, this was kinda bothering me)

Silly Ceph, cheekiness is only fun when you are town and can get away with it

[T-Bone]

I need to sleep on it.

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We need more activity, folks. Talk with your teams and participate more.

wgurts is gonna read up now that he is dead in his game. I wouldn't get concerned about activity, slow days happen.

The cabd wagon got points, fyi. Does that mean anything? Eh. Iec may have it though.

shos; there are reasons to suspect t bone. The ones you are giving are not those reasons. You just spent an entire wall post harping on the fact that he Beetlejuiced a couple times.

My gosh this man gets it!

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Your reasons are just not based in any reality, and that is the problem.

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They are ONLY based on reality. it's just that you don't accept that me calling you a liar is legitimate.

No I don't accept that you as a player should EVER use alignment independent reasons to justify any reads. Which is what you've done this game, and hopefully with enough ridicule and my eventual townflip you will never ever saddle another playerlist with them, because no playerlist deserves you trying to use them.

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That replace out is town....WHAT?

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Walk me through that, LLD...a player under some pressure, switches out of the game, and that's town? Because if that's all it takes everyone being scumread should immediately switch out...

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If I recall correctly she complained very early in the game that she was upset the re-roll gave her town instead of the scum roll she had originally drawn in the first game.

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It's not disappointment, I just don't get why you think LLD replacing out is alignment relevant (more importantly town relevant).

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You've have done a lot of weird and irrational things this game. Like I understand your explanation, but I disagree that it makes any sense at all. Your progression went from "LLD is defending a scumbuddy" to "wait LLD is whiteknighting town" to "wait LLD is town or she wouldn't have replaced out" is a progression that makes no goddamn sense.

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I am having trouble with the radical changes or your read on the slot over seemingly (to me) minor things. To me replacing out doesn't mean much, since she was insistent she wasn't replacing out. I'd almost call it scummy, but maybe she had a legit reason for doing it, or maybe Grey needed to change games, or something else that she didn't tell us. I don't like to hang any hats over the activity of another player.

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I don't care about your read on the slot, I'm still scumreading it, ta.

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Yeah but this is about my read on you. Your predecessors were scummy, I am scumreading your slot. I feel like you've been towning it up but this thing you have done doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.

[T-Bone]

Reck this game needs more of you please.

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Like I said, after being rung up to L-2 yesterday, I expected to be rung up today and decided to out my information. And one of the things I did was test Ceph with a vague claim to see if he would scum-panic or not. Like I don't understand how that is not clear and where anyone is having trouble understanding. I'm certainly not going to let myself get lynched knowing these things.

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When did Ceph imply to take an action? His response was that I was rolefishing and it was none of my business.

Maybe, but I was so disengaged Day 1 I thought I'd be quick lynched to be honest.

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Remember how I approached Day 1, I only picked out things that concerned me and only focused on that, so going into Day 2 I was pretty self-absorbed.

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Oh, to me he was implying he took no action which I knew to be true. And then we went into the whole thing as to why I did it.

It doesn't mean anything about their alignment, it just means neither of them could have carried out the kill. If scum they could have x-shot abilities and not used them. In Wisdom's case he could have a night action and was unable to carry it out. Out of 11 players in the game I know for sure 3 of them (me, Ceph, Wis) did not carry out the kill last night and that is huge.

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I think it was worth me pointing out 'these players didn't do the kill', but I can't make the inference that they are more likely one alignment over the other.

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GreyICE, read up, tell me what you think of Tboner; also, claiming miller is not yet alignment indicative imo but.. what do you think about claiming hated?

NOT alignment indicative? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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GreyICE, read up, tell me what you think of Tboner; also, claiming miller is not yet alignment indicative imo but.. what do you think about claiming hated?

NOT alignment indicative? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

have you guys never claimed miller first post as scum?

f'kin newbs

But that's not what I'm laughing at you see, because you just demonstrated that you know when things are not alignment indicative, yet you've been demonstrating the entire game that you actually don't! It's so hilarious AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thank you for making my day.

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Just reread the start of D2, because you clearly missed the main important event today.

Care to summarize?

The posts that led Shos to ask me to remind him about the start of D2 already WERE a summary. Just read my "today" iso and you'll get it.

Basically T-Bone claimed null-track on Cephrir and Eddie=Wisdom in a way that implied otherwise on Cephrir at first, but was not inconsistent with null-tracks. There's slight weirdness on treating Cephrir and Eddie asymmetrically given identical results, but he justified it by Cephrir's higher activity level.

I got this track as the result of another players ability. I did not track Eddie/Wisdom, that was a different action.

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I think someone has an amnesiac role and their result was given to me, probably randomly.

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Which you know, Mod Error Mafia, a role in which the Mod accidentally sends the result to another player. I highly doubt it would have been given to me intentionally considering all the suspicion I have had my way.

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No Shos, I've never claimed to have two tracks, I've claimed to have one, from someone else. Take your confirm bias elsewhere thank you very much.

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GreyICE, read up, tell me what you think of Tboner; also, claiming miller is not yet alignment indicative imo but.. what do you think about claiming hated?

NOT alignment indicative? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

have you guys never claimed miller first post as scum?

f'kin newbs

But that's not what I'm laughing at you see, because you just demonstrated that you know when things are not alignment indicative, yet you've been demonstrating the entire game that you actually don't! It's so hilarious AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thank you for making my day.

?????

huh?
greyICE just gave a list of 4 points that point to town - so I'm saying they don't, I've literally no idea what you're talking about.

Don't worry, if you need to refresh everyone's memory, you can tell them how I am scum for responding to something within 3 minutes.

And then you can tell them that LLD/Grey is not scum for doing the exact same thing while we're at it.

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I inferred track because he used language like "didn't perform the kill" and "null result," but I don't remember him actually using the T word I guess.

T-Bone, if there is no reason for being cagey (e.g., variance in ideal scum messing-with depending upon your claim), it is better to lock yourself into the specifics now.

I got a track from someone else and roleblocked Eddie.

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STOP FUCKING MISREPPING ME

are you seriously not getting the point I was saying there??? like are you seriously thinking that the time difference between the posts is what matters?

I'm not misrepping you, but if I was then you'd know how I felt.

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But I was v/la and LLD active lurked so you got it backwards.

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When a Mod forgets a night action, a roleblocker aligned with the town.

Also Shos you are so way off base it's not even funny. May I remind you that the game had to stop because Copper spoilered me out of another game, to which you accused me of seeking his Modkill? Don't start your shit with me cause you obviously have no idea what any of the buzzwords you are throwing around mean. You OBVIOUSLY don't know what alignment indicative means, you OBVIOUSLY don't know what active lurking is, you OBVIOUSLY don't know what sportsmanship is, and you OBVIOUSLY can't tell the difference between a real claim and a fake one, so please stop burdening this playerlist until you learn what these things are.

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Because Mollie and Eddie were scummy, but they weren't read like that by most players, so I figured if scum they'd be a safe bet to carry out the kill.

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You're the ONLY one who started doing it for reasons UNRELATED TO THIS GAME, which is why you are the only player scumreading me who has no idea what is going on in this game and just using confirmation bias to justify your tired read. Don't give me this shit YOU were the one who argued that I tried to get Copper Modkilled because I was scum. YOU were the one who argued that while I was clearly not posting for reasons unrelated to the game that it was because I was scum. The burden is on YOU, not me. There may be legitimate reasons to scumread me, but all the way back on Day 1 when you started this shit you had NONE OF THEM. You only had personal attacks and things not relevant to the game.

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As far as I'm concerned Shos, every post you may in this game is not relevant to this game, and when you mislynch me hopefully everyone else will realize the same.

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You're right Wis, because every time I read Shos I remember that he accused me of faking my v/la and low activity for an advantage and purposely trying to get Copper modkilled, both under handed tactics that have no business on this site, and using those accusations to justify a scumread. So yeah I'm pretty pissed.

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Like I'm trying real hard to insult his play and not him as a player or a person and I apologize if I cross that line, everyone.

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Because regardless of alignment, there are lines you don't cross in this game. You don't use a sitewide feature like v/la to fake not being able to post in this game, you don't try to get another player modkilled, you don't get yourself modkilled to prove something, you don't PM other players about the game, etc. etc. etc. That's the problem.

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My reaction is of someone who's been accused of cheating.

And you did harp on me while I was on v/la, and even when it ended I still mentioned I was going to have low activity. I understand lurking as a tactic, but what I did was completely different. Listen I understand scum lie and from your perspective you see certain things, but you do not have the same awareness for me. From my perspective you are accusing me of cheating.

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I didn't know mollie claimed.

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Morning.
Whay did mollie claim? Isnt mollie wisdom..?

Anyway. Tbone claimed that they went nowhere. From this we got they have no PR, ergo they are town, because PRless scum wouldmake the kill. But roleblock doesnt mean anything at all. That is kinda misleading, or rather, a fakeclaim changed in the middle?

I think you're actually right about PRless scum making the kill, so I suppose this all but clears Wisdom of being scum, unless scum have a designated killer (like a strongman). Clears Ceph to a lesser degree, but he was a likely night action target (and someone did target him). But like I said before, barring something crazy I wanted to remove them from the lynch pool today.

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If he is town he is telling the truth that he didn't see mollie's claim

Yeah that's all I can say at this point. I wasn't very engaged Day 1 and had to skim over a lot of things. I went back to look at that post, and yeah at that point I was trying to reach out to her to help me get engaged with the game, but at that point in time I just found it difficult.

Yeah, the one who tracked him obviously did target Ceph. I wasn't the only one scumreading Ceph at the end of the day phase, he could realistically from a scum perspective avoid doing the kill. Realistically, but unlikely at this stage. While I have a great fear of being tracked/watched as scum, it's something I've noticed that other player's are not so worried about. I almost cost myself a game because of that fear.

unvote

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Reading is for NERDS

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Intent to hammer? Yeah I'll fucking do it.

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You said it yourself based on my claim he is unlikely to be scum so why the sudden worry?

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notscience is so correct it isn't even funny.

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No wait Wisdom, I need to ask my scumbuddies first how I should fakeclaim this.

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*T-Bone replaces out

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"Well shit, what kind of scum comes up with a fakeclaim and replaces out before he could deliver?" - Wisdom

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"The kind of scum who targeted the dead player?"

...

"Oh damn this is awkward."

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For those playing at home I blocked Rhinox. Who is dead. Hooray for me. I picked him because he has been an under the radar player in my opinion and would be perfect to be the one committing the scumkills if town.

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lol if scum.

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But yeah I'll 1v1 you Grey because you are actually scum no matter how many times Wisdom says otherwise. I welcome my mislynch at your hands so that they can turn around and lynch you tomorrow.

Vote: GreyIce

preedit: Because his claim is SAFE AS FUCK considering I already outted my role yesterday. And then he targeted yet another player with a claim on the table. He's really breaking ground with his information.

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"What kind of scum admits to targeting the dead player?"

Any takers? Since we are playing that game right now.

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Okay. Because he's scum. Better?

Exactly what groundbreaking town proving information did GreyIce actually volunteer? Wisdom clearly can't answer this, can you Notsci?

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You absolutely sure you want to 1v1 with me? Because you're getting scumlynched tomorrow after I flip. I'm the player you want to go down in flames against? But hey I'll take the trade.

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I needed to be mislynched today anyway to get that out of the way but thank you so kindly for outting yourself to get it done, Grey.

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Can I also claim Masons with Notsci? I do that.

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There are two players in this game with really bad reads and reasonings and Notsci isn't one of them...

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But yeah I'll 1v1 you Grey because you are actually scum no matter how many times Wisdom says otherwise. I welcome my mislynch at your hands so that they can turn around and lynch you tomorrow.

Vote: GreyIce

preedit: Because his claim is SAFE AS FUCK considering I already outted my role yesterday. And then he targeted yet another player with a claim on the table. He's really breaking ground with his information.

Says the guy who targeted a player with a claimed role AND A DEAD PERSON

Here, let me review that one for you.

I was gonna get mislynched anyway so I don't know why you outted yourself to make it happen.

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What is I stylize it with two s's? Like this.

MISSlynch

huh? huh?

[T-Bone]

Remember when you vote post game I pretty much cleared two slots and outted a third slot as scum. Not too bad if I do say so myself.

[T-Bone]

Wait for other players so they can drown out the fact that Grey outted himself as scum. Got it.

[T-Bone]

You misspelled obvtown.

[T-Bone]

Psh, I don't do obvscum. Sorry.

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I knew from Reck you had no action...what? What does Reck have to do with anything? Now you are just inventing things to fit your narrative...