Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[pirate mollie]

hi guys!

whats going on

[pirate mollie]

Waiting for Cabd to catchup personally, would love to see your catchup!

I read p1 and i am already bored but I thought cabd's post 21 was pretty funny!

copper lets dance

SO GODDAMNED DRUNK WHAT'S UP IM TOWN FIGHTE ME RIRIRL

I will fight you IRL

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hi shos!

[pirate mollie]

Also if Mollie doesn't start to try and assert control on how the game is going and on who she wants to push she is likely scum, I don't get why their team would have gone with that replacement though as her preference for playing town is well known, so still waiting to see what she comes up with but leaning town due to this.

it isn't that i hate playing scum it is just that i know that I am quite terrible at it. I think I have an above average rate of rolling town on this site so it feels a lot more comfortable rolling that.

cephrir is hitting the emo notes so yeah I lean town on him. and when I say "emo" I don't mean sad or depressed I mean he is emoting more than usual when as scum I have noticed he tends to be a bit more clinical and sterile? I think in team!mafia pple wld be pulling out all of the stops tho but then that begs the question as to who he wld be centering his game around. I just got here and so it certainly isn't me and the only 1 who wld come to mind after looking at the playerbase is cabd who is a meta miner. I just don't get the feeling that is what he is doing.

I am trying to work out tier's aggression, in my head he feels similar to cephrir so mebbe a very light town read on him.

if some1 cld give me a summary of what has been going on that wld be awsum.

also I am not a control freak!

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@Mollie

ok here's my summary:

- Early on we had Cabd proposing we disclose our previous roles, and that we PL who (cause he often lurks all game from what I am reading behind the lines?)

- This lead to Reckoner scumreading Cabd for what he said is IIoA and hiding behind a PL so as not to scumhunt.

- This in turn made TS and Ceph. scumread Reck cause they say his attack was unjustified, forced and too quick.

- In the mean time Cabd hasn't posted anything relevant

- Ceph questioned me on not joining the Reck wagon which led to TS scumreading me for what he said was playing safe, after a few back and forths he now says he is unsure about me and is pressure voting Cabd.

- On the Ceph side there is also a sort of a 1v1 with shos going on, I asked for a summary myself about that, my main note about shos is he echoed off some reads of other players, whether it's sheeping to blend in or he is reading the game the same way is hard to tell, Rhinox is also behind the push and has been questioning some other players, he has 't received much attention from others himself.

- LLD claims to be butthurt that the reroll screwed her and that she has lost motivation to play, most seem to interpret this as town.

- T-Bone just wants to lynch everyone that calls him scummy as far as I can see, otherwise he has done nothing.

- NS is being townread by most players, a possible exception seems to be Icerint, NS claims he is holding his vote channelling his inner Ffery and is waiting for Cabd's catch-up. Icerint hasn't given much else away.

- Katsuki just ego posted.

why ty copper!

1. this slot was scum before the mod error! we were bp. we are now a town messenger tho.
2. reck's reasoning sounds sort of plausible. it wld make me sad if cabd was scum cos I have this seekrit fantasy where we are both town and sync up for a town win. it hasn't happened yet.
3. interesting cos tier and cephrir are in step! which is what I felt when I got into this thread! that cld mean many things tho.
4. interesting cos I will need to actually read that in order to see what is going on unless something else happens. it is on my list of things to do.
5. lamda might actually be town. she strikes me as some1 who likes to play scum. was she scum in the original roll?
6. okay so tboner is town.
7. so notty and iceyrent are both being boring. I hope that at least 1 of those kicks the ball at some point.
8.

kats thing whats up? I wld love to have at least some particle of your brain here.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I have a cop guilty on you

Also, tell me what you think about Tier ta.

do you mean other than what I said?

cld you plz explain the gamestate from your perspective plz?

cos I am really interested!

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omg I am not even on the chart.

lets try this

VOTE: shos

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why do YOU think that I think that you are not kicking the ball?

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oh reck

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mollie you seem like youve read the game some, why didnt you call out copper's comment about me being a fairly common townread

I read up to p2!

did he say you were a townread at that point?

cos I thought he said it in his summary which I had asked for from every1. I am not sure why exactly I was supposed to call it out?

do you have specific reasons as to why you think he is scum? is that where you are going with this?

actually a readslist from you wld be awsum! \o/

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so after all of that writing why do you not wanna lynch kats whom you have as "I dunno"

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so after all of that writing why do you not wanna lynch kats whom you have as "I dunno"

Because why pursue a nonentity when you can pursue someone who is actually here

He has one post so I mean I guess you can say "lynch the lurker" but I would want an active lurker over him

kats will get FR'd if he doesnt post soon or if he keeps prod dodging we can lynch him but its not a hgih priority of mine

define: active lurker

you know what wld be a sooper dooper lovely thing here?

@ mod - can we have a vc?

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I wld really love the defo of an active lurker tho, from you, specifically.

[pirate mollie]

cos you linked to tboner's iso and I am trying to figure out why

do you think he is an active lurker?

[pirate mollie]

do you know what be lovely right about now?

a vc from the mod!

oh lovely magua with the long locks of brown hair.

vc? pretty plz with sugar on top?

[pirate mollie]

Here's the thing. Katsuki will lurk his face off as scum, and is good at staying alive the longer the game goes.

I agree Shos is probably scum, but I want information on day 1. I want to pressure Katsuki to get a read, so I know whether he needs to die in a fire right the fuck now, or he can live and be useless for the rest of the game.

I so agree with this.

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I SO AM POKING YOU RIGHT NOW CUPCAKE

with a spoon.

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After ISOing, I think shos is town, with a few reservations. Why is he a collective scumread? All I see is people hating on his catchup but no real reasons for his scumminess.

Not feeling good about this.

Also, hi mollie!

hi tier!

what do you think of rhino's vote parking?

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@Mollie
Why is T-Bone town?

it is a morphing read that needs time to play out?

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Rhinox isn't really voteparking imo. He's just one of those people who scumread shos for ???

oh tier

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Rhinox isn't really voteparking imo. He's just one of those people who scumread shos for ???

THIS post.

just look at it.

JUST LOOK AT IT.

[pirate mollie]

also mollie, feel free to share on your shos scumread.

rhino is voteparking and pretty much self admitted this in 393 with a prod dodge.

like srsly how are you ignoring this

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UNVOTE: shos

I will get 1 of you my pretties.

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okay so yeah I isoed rhino and he looks pretty town.

back to shos

VOTE: shos

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I feel kind of firm on my tboner townread.

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VOTE: katsuki

[pirate mollie]

this is the dumbest fucking wagon ive ever seen like holy fuck

even dumber than the 1 on you and fate hydra in adventure time?

[pirate mollie]

what I wld love to hear from you right now is an excerpt from the marxist manifesto.

[pirate mollie]

actually its bed time. I got caught up but there's nothing I want to comment on at the moment. shos is still my strongest scum read. I need to talk with my team about copper. Iec, Bone, maybe Cabd are also scum suspects currently. I like ceph and ns for town. mollie and tier are kinda in no read territory currently. Reck can be probably town and LLD honestly I'll probably just avoid trying to figure her out until I have to.

Kats I know you can't lie to me without feeling really really bad about it... I still remember how you broke my heart last team mafia. are you scum y/n?

how can you have cephrir as town and be unsure about tier?

also how can you possibly have no read on me????

if I were not so in love with my cupcake vote I wld be voting you.

[pirate mollie]

how can you have cephrir as town and be unsure about tier?

also how can you possibly have no read on me????

if I were not so in love with my cupcake vote I wld be voting you.

I've mostly agreed with things ceph has posted. What does tiers alignment have to do with ceph? You and tier havent stuck out as town or scum to me. Just haven't popped up on my radar yet.

how can I have not popped up on your radar yet?

I am flashy. tier has good bulk of posts to sort through.

thoughts on cupcake?

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this is the dumbest fucking wagon ive ever seen like holy fuck

even dumber than the 1 on you and fate hydra in adventure time?

I think you're thinking Kise, which I flaked out of.

But yes, probably dumber than that one.

oh yeah it was kise. you were channeling fate for a mo so i got confused.

do you have any reads?

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@ mod - you have tier voting 2 different pple and katsuki is not in that vc at all. is this an oversight?

Unintentional. Fixed.

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Skimmed through phone latest posting, seems like everyone is fpcused on me, i wondrr why because im srlll VLS

I still havrnyt even finished catchinf up on the game


So im p sure any wagon pushe on me is led by scum.

Im getting baxk home in a few hiurs so ill hopefully be here.

you only have 2 votes on you.

UNVOTE:

for now.

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Then let me fucking bus and then lynch me after???? If you think someone is bussing then lynch their fucking scumread

kats makes sense here.

this feels like pissy town!kats as opposed to trololololol marxist manifesto kats.

its weak meta guys but that is what is giving me pause.

I can link you guys to the games.

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were you scum in the first roll up? who was and that is why he just decided to quit. cos he rolled town the second time and was like "guys no really I suck as town the reasons are valid blah blah but no really I suck as town" and opted to replace out. he spent 2 tokens on scum.

so bulba asked me to join "the leftovers".

looking at the teams and the playerbase in each game I don't think we have a shot at winning but dammit I will not let bulba down.

I can't get any more transparent than I am being. I need your head in the game cupcake.

where the fuck is reck

[pirate mollie]

the perkyphysics line feels gross where did that come from?

where did your tier read go

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the perkyphysics line feels gross where did that come from?

where did your tier read go

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Reck does need to show up I agree and I expect him to join us on shos.

lmao bite me

why are you still voting for cabd?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: cabd

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cupcake where did you go

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not lynching shos!

[pirate mollie]

Tammy gave me some thoughts on the game.

-doesn't get copper's move on to Cabd. I assume she's talking about 267

-calls Tammy404 bullshit because a prod dodge is not an admission of a vote park. Tammy is also at mollie for saying I was town but then wanting to vote me for not expressing a read on her yet.

I agree with this and I had a couple other problems with it. Firstly "voteparking" is just IMO one of those buzzword tells that don't really mean anything. But the bigger problem I have mollie is you didn't question me at all about why I was still voting shos and just went right into rallying the troops. It doesn't seem like you were initially interested in trying to determine my alignment.

-Tammy thinks the Who argument for calling mollie town is a good one for now and also likes that mollie claims to be transparent, but that mollie isn't really making her think town yet. I agree with this.

-Mollie, Tammy wants to know how much fun you're having right now? Also, do you have a read on shos? Why haven't you really interacted with him at all besides basically saying hello (and since then, that you're not lynching him)?

-Tammy thinks kats should stop with the all caps stuff because it feels fake. Also, Tammy points out that kats wouldn't bus unless it was a necessity and since he only had 2 votes on him when he voted shos it doesn't look like a necessity bus. But, shos might have been the only counter wagon he could make happen.

-Last thing is that Tammy is finding it hard to feel good about reads in this game. Collectively, we haven't yet all had a read we've agreed on at the same time in our PT.

you tell my sister if she does not townread me in 5 minutes I am going to get weird on you and YOU are going to feel the brunt of it. cos there is no way she shld be having a hard time parsing my alignment in this game.

@ shos

I find active lurking to be scummy as fuck.I happen to be like 1 of what 3 pple who think this but I have found this to be true! wld you like links?

cos this 1 comes to mind!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60729

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Katsuki not re-evaluating in the light of much better posts does him no favors and his team can ATE all it wants. 536 was a great post and his total lack of comment on it or any recent shos posts just reinforces my whole picture.

I feel like cupcake is full of shit plus i am feeling a bit manipulated by him here but I can't tell if he is sincerely reaching out or what.

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Ceph, what do you mean that I am being mastin.?

@Ceph 403: Is THAT the reason you scumread me? REALLY?
was it not obvious to you once I had mentioned InuYasha first time????

Definitely some of it yeah, it was absolutely what set me off at first and it's also what I was talking about with regard to mastin. When mastin is asked to explain her reads she never comes up with more than "X just

feels

like scum." reiterated 14 different ways.

I didn't exactly go iso you in Inuyasha. I skim games I'm modding anyway.

TS' L-1 vote didn't alarm me, nor did a quick unvote. Some people are ready to make shit happen and some aren't. I think Katsuki's over the top reaction was manufactured as fuck, even though I hardly suspected him at all when I first voted and was mostly making a point.

cephrir said:

This line reminded me forcefully of shos' play in Inuyasha, finally.

whoa wat

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what above non-read

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ok so I just skimmed the last page and fuck this game

now to see if anyone else on my team wants to take over for me I'm not dealing with this.

stahp being a dramaqueen

[pirate mollie]

what above non-read

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ftr I wld rather you let the person am asking the question answer actually answer tia

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ffs I am a horrible bitch in games. I am trying to get better

[pirate mollie]

Until he gets lynched and then he can start flaming you post game for being a moron, totally worth it when townies D1 are so easy to scumread if you want to it's a joke. We can talk about my scumhunting tactics and how to improve them when you are able to read the setup description before the game.

I don't think I have been as bitchy as copper is in this post tho!

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reck

where are you

I sheeped your cabd wagon and you are not here to push it.

come on

[pirate mollie]

also @ shos

if you look at the activity level of the 3 flipped scum players in the link I posted you might see what I was talking about!

[pirate mollie]

btw lol
while trying to fall asleep it occurred to me tat I have not voted

VOTE: notscience

by the way this vote is pretty stupid, but I can't really see why scum would actually want to lynch notscience today or ever so...

to me it looks like a throwaway vote

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oh tboner

[pirate mollie]

let's talk! I think you are town, how does this make you feel? I also have no particular interest in the two main wagons (shos, katsuki) that have cropped up today. They don't interest me because I haven't had the opportunity to be involved with either player. My feelings on Tier are pretty much the same, and in my gut I don't like Ceph right now. Any of those reads we should discuss?

I don't know cos I am not sure about you! shos is starting to kind of look like pissy shos!town who makes bad votes shos I am really not getting the notty hate. rhino is a strong townread and that is about where I am at right now. cupcake is never an easy read he looks pretty indignant but I feel like that is kind of null for him so unsure?

reck's performance this game has been completely limp at least since I have been here. I tried to support his cabd wagon but neither him or cabd are doing a thing so like wth am I supposed to do with that.

cephrir and tier have weirded me out from the get go but it is pretty ballsy to play off of each other if scum together in the manner that they are doing. I also feel like I am the only 1 who is noticing their interactions. light townlean on copper.

what other reads do you have? cos you are freaking me out.

[pirate mollie]

I'm back home now. I have to prepare for work tomorrow, but I'll read this game as soon as possible.

yaye cos I can't wait for your input!

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Yeah things are finally starting to take shape I think.

in what way cos i am not seeing it. I am getting pretty frustrated with the voluminous amount of lurking in this game.

[pirate mollie]

you should know that I'm usually successful inscumreading him

cite?

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mollie I would like to know what you think of me!

I lean town! but it is a lean and not a solid townread.

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Tier has enough posts for people to develop a read off of. Not posting because he's not posting isn't one of them. It's lazy.

can you show me what posts you find particularly scummy with reasoning to back them up? cos otherwise what you are saying here is downright useless COS OMG WE ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST PSYCHICALLY KNOW WHY YOU ARE PUSHING HIM AND THAT HE IS SCUM BASED OFF WHAT YOU ARE PUSHING WHICH SEEMS TO BE KIND OF FLIMSY.

UNVOTE: cabd

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btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

I want to explore as to where he has demonstrated that he is so good at reading tier! co I don't remember him being particularly fantastic at scumreading tier on d1 in hu1 who was scum in that game. I really need a larger sample size cos it looks like posturing.

I am waiting for him to answer. but what you are bringing up is kind of null IMO.

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I am pushing him as scum because of one specific event, and then some other tonal things I got from him early on. Specifically him asking for SOMEONE ELSE to pressure vote me...because he couldn't do it himself? He voted Cabd in the same post, but Cabd already had pressure on him at that point so what was Tier adding to the situation? The answer is nothing. I felt like he was just waiting for someone to go 'Bone is scum' so he could switch votes but that never happened. When I challenged him on this he brushed me off. And then since then he hasn't posted for personal reasons, I wasn't posting for personal reasons, so that's where I am in regards to him, a holding pattern.

You were around when this happened, I ask you on your thoughts about Tier, but you brushed me off saying you already gave them. When I posted later saying that you didn't give much of anything about him, I don't recall you ever responding.

thats because I don't have a solid read on tier?

like I really don't. if I did I wld have been able to give you a solid answer. or if I was scum I cld have fabricated 1.

what exactly are you trying to sort out here?

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I didn't ask for a solid read, and I don't expect everyone to have a solid read on everyone (lord knows I don't). I was trying at the time to have a discussion and bounce some things off of you but that never happened.

I didn't mean to make you feel brushed but it is just that I didn't have much to say. I don't really understand your push and I feel frustrated that you aren't pushing it except to say how you feel ignored.

if you cld link the posts and reasons as to why you find tier scummy that wld be grand!

so far I have:

1. shos has a good record of reading him. yeah well 1 game blah blah blah but shos did not read him correctly in that game so whence comes the push? I have asked shos to cite examples and I am still waiting for them.
2. cehrir is worried cos tier agreed with him. okay.

I wld just like some reasons so I can see if there is intersection in thought processes and I am not finding any. the tier/ceph in step kind of freaks me out but I am wondering why it is being brought up now and not when I originally brought it up. it is simply going to require more thinking on my part cos this whole day round has been weird as fuck and there is a lot of stalling.

eta: okay copper has now given reasons and I think they are pretty bad!

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Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

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@T-Bone
Why he says he is not motivated is not relevant, I don't like him using a similar phrasing and reason as the one I peovided for him based on the town game we played together.

If he is scum he started trying to control the game like Ceph, but shut down when he noriced he was getting into dangerous waters with his pushes.

@Mollie
What don't you like about it?

they read as pretty surface to me and don't really leave me feeling like you are sinking your teeth into that read altho i suppose voting him and trying to build a wagon on him is a way of sinking your teeth into him.

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There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

I have not been under the impression you ever left since you have consistently been posting and I have not picked up on 1 bit of apathy yet. so can you point to me where you were feeling like your head was not in the game?

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There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

blame mastin :p

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

What do you think of his elaboration on mala's thought process re:me? That's the thing I have been like "okay that seems town"

well I know how sneaky iceyrent can be and reading some1 as town cos they are townreading you is simply never a good idea and I am surprised that you don't know this.

I am just going to be honest with you; I am reluctant to fully trust or work with you cos I think you know the markers that I used to use to determine whether you were town or not. you used them in pvz and even helped me and kuribo lynch your scummate so no, I am treating you at arm's length until I can manage to solidify a read.

I am not sure how many times I have to tell pple that I am not having the easiest time of getting a foothold in the game even tho i keep trying. I just don't have anything solid to go on. like I am thoroughly worried about reck cos I attended the same social events that he did and he has about much to do as I do with his day.

right now I am waiting on answers to outstanding questions from him and shos and I am giving cephrir about a minute to answer my 1 to him.

the game just feels really surface right now

[pirate mollie]

Just today mostly

But also I want stronger reads than I have

I have been under the impression that you did have strong reads for instance like your iceyrent 1. so where is this coming from?

[pirate mollie]

well I know how sneaky iceyrent can be

Mollie, when have you played with scumIec, other than Reckoning III meatworld games?

myko's zombie game and that game where garmr and I never clicked in our hydra and then he got sitebanned for 6 months. I gut read you as scum for an unquantifiable reason in myko's and you flew under the radar in the other.

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I am pretty sure you were already culted by the time I replaced in. the other game was an empking's large.

I am not sure what recent games you are thinking of that you had to replace out?

[pirate mollie]

wow

@Mollie
You only have surface reads but are worried because you say my TS read is surface level? I don't know what kind of read you expect me to give D1 with a group of experienced players that are either being cagey or playing seemingly pro town and why did you call it bad then? Bad=/ worrisome /= scum indicative the last time I checked, you are also piggybacking off of Cabd's idea that my posts are shallow which I don't like, like for him to you: point to specifics.

@All
Not a fan of T-Bone's reaction to my vote on TS, if TS is town T-Bone possibly wanted to have a nice vanity wagon that went nowhere and is worried this gains traction, it could also be indicative of a bus I guess.

I have been thinking of Shos's motives and this kind of fuck you all I am going to figure out what the score does which looks scummy to most and is the main reason for his scumread is more likely to come from town in my opinion, scum has to consider if it's worth the heat to do so blatantly.

Icerint, the fact you haven't asked Mala about Mollie is noted.

1. I only just got into the game soyeah it is kind of expected that my reads will be pretty surface at this point and time! that is why i am running around fosing anything that moves, questioning pple on their thought processes and trying to solidify reads. i have whined about how hard it is to do this since a bunch of players are being incredibly lurky cos it sort of interferes with that process!
2. can you plz tell me who you think is being cagey and who is playing protown? cos the 2 are not even subject for confusion since they are like comparing apples to camels in the sahara. like I don't even understand what your point is here. but something that I wld love from you is a readslist as to who is being cagey and who is being protown (reasons wld be fantastic but I am struggling to not be that hopeful) that way I can lock you into some reads so that you leave some kind of discernable trail and I don't have to add you to the outstanding questions from players itt pile.
3. bad = worrisome = scum indicative does not even compute. like where are you getting that from? bad/worrisome are not even remotely synonymous so i don't really understand why you wld try to piece them together in the way that you are doing. town have bad reasons for stating an opinion on the interpretation of things all of the time there is a reason the meme exists, "your reasoning is bad and you shld feel bad for having them". like my initial thought of notty's reasoning of thinking iceyrent was town cos iceyrent reads him as town was bad (he has fleshed it out a bit in a way that I liked) but notty is a very light townread like both opinions exist itt and the 2 can coexist so I am really unsure why or how they are even mutually exclusive in your mind for instance reck is worrisome but your reasons for voting tier for the reasons that you did were bad cos I was wanting a more in depth answer since you have been in the game longer than I have and so have more to work from IMO. like if I was worried about you I wld say, "copper is worrisome" not "your reasons are bad". I wldn't feel the need to mince words if I equated "worrisome" with "bad" but tbh here your whole angle here sightly worries me!
4. I didn't even see cabd's sus of you he is being utterly boring since I have joined the game but he is saying he is sick so meh. so I am not sure what "piggybacking" you are talking about unless you mean that we both are finding you being "surface" and "shallow" independently of each other's reads. I am waiting for cabd to dazzle me my vote on him was a pressure vote to get his head in the game and I wanted to support reck and see where that went but cabd is still sick so meh it went nowhere cos cabd is not really a strong presence in the game as far as I can tell.
5. the specifics are pretty easy to spot since I directly referenced your reasoning in post 735 by calling it "bad" and I quoted you.

tl;dr - your whole reasoning process is pretty tortured which makes me lean town cos it seems to come from a paranoid mindset which is "bad" but not "worrisome" since the whole basis for your argument seems to rest on the 2 being synonymous. <--- this is a "bad" argument.

[pirate mollie]

Yes english is not my main language, if intentionality has to be implied by definition that was not intended, the scum connection is all your own though because the two don't follow directly.

I disagree, I have often seen scum forget to interact with each other or had to prod my teammates to answer my questions as scum so that's a well established pattern I use to find scum, in this case giving a read on Mollie from soneone that can read her well if you are both scum is doubly annoying, so trying to sweep it under the rug I can also see as a viable tactic.

^ paranoid town, I think

[pirate mollie]

I agree that scum can sometimes interact awkwardly and/or not interact. That idea is kinda relevant to some of how I've thought about certain slots in this game (e.g., Reck's reference to Cabd when shos/katsuki were dominant).

IMO, that is pretty different than me and mollie this game because I have referenced her behavior multiple times (cf., my catch-up comments) and she has referenced me a few times (albeit mostly cuz NS asked her to IIRC). I am skeptical that the "ignoring-one-another" tell you're referencing applies when scum are explicitly ASKED to interact (as in the case if you asking me to ask Mala about mollie), but we can agree to disagree, I guess.

FWIW I don't have any personal insight into whether Mala reads mollie well. The only person I know of who I know has said he can read mollie well is Nacho. In the game I played with the two of them he intimidated her into making a crappy fakeclaim. I think the only game I've played with both mala and mollie was the Reckoning III invitational, and the only thing* from Mala's slot that I remember from that game is that she was I think hydra'd with Tammy, who had a total meltdown re: mollie and was grossly inappropriate. I don't even remember for certain that Mala was the other head of that hydra, though. It's the one that's named for Tammy's cat. This is relevant to the idea that I would feel awkward about asking Mala in particular.

* I now also remember that slot's very clever hypoclaim, which I later used in the game with Nacho and mollie. ^_^

mala was part of eaglekit (desp/mala hydra) who faked a cop guilty on me in the reckoning invitational, I think you are thinking of mina/tammy (waffles).

[pirate mollie]

@Icerint
At the time I wrote the post I knew what you said was untrue, I did not examine whether it was deliberate or not beforehand because I thought the answer would be revealing, if asked I would have said probably unintentional depending on how likely you think I might forget about it. I think your reply is pretty thorough so I believe what you say about your thought process there.

@Mollie
You called the read on TS bad in 719 and surface level and like I am not sinking my teeth in the read in 735, those look like different concerns to me, or are you clarifying why it was bad, if so why do you think my read is bad here as town?

Seem pro town:
{Ceph, TS pre argument with T-Bone, Rhinox, Mollie, NS, Icerint and Reck when active}
These are players actively trying to make shit happen for the most part.

Cagey:
{Cabd, Katsuki, T-Bone, LLD}

weird:
{Shos}

lets keep things in chronological order and not misrep what actually happened okay?

in post 719 I called your reasoning bad. twas in reference to the reasons you gave in post 718 in which you asked in post 722 why I thought they were bad and I clarified in post 735 as to why I thought they were bad. then I further explained in post 762 as to why I thought the reasons you gave might come from a town POV re: tortured logic. did you read that post?

glad we are clearing shit up! unfortunately you have dropped down a bit cos I am not why you are asking for details when it is evident in the last few pages.

@ shos

I asked you to cite examples of how you cld defo read tier like you claimed you cld!

cld you plz answer?

[pirate mollie]

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir. but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

Mollie I've asked you a couple times now for thoughts on shos (Tammy's request) and this post makes hearing your thoughts more important (I don't think I missed you giving them?). After shos started posting what was basically a pbpa all you had to say was "not lynching shos!" but now you say you're not a fan of pbpa being seen automatically as town in regards to ice. I'm wondering what you're seeing in shos posting that super wows you into going "not lynching shos!" that is so different from what you're not seeing from ice. Because IMO ice's posting is multitudes better than shos.

And also.... actually nevermind*. I thought I realized something but its probably nothing. Ask me about it later.

I was never town reading shos cos of his pbpa catch I was not wanting to lynch shos cos he was happy to see me, usually a happy to see me shos is a town!shos and while it is not much and a little weak it is enough for me on d1 to not want to lynch him at this time w/o more info.

[pirate mollie]

mollie love, when have I ever not been happy to see you?
there was one case where I was scum and played with you, but you were scum with me, so your statistics don't count much xD

thats why I said it was weak and not much to go on but I am not wanting to lynch you on d1 but I wld think that if you were scum you wld be slightly more self-conscious cos you know if I get the teeniest niggle about you I will lynch you. BUT you are hitting the town notes so i am liking you for town at this point!

why are notty and katsuki stronger scumreads than tier whom you said you cld read well?

[pirate mollie]

It's shocking to me that you can possibly have zero read on all of Rhinox, copper, mollie and Iec.

I'm reading two and a half of them as town pretty handily.

I was wondering this too but shos and I often disagree on reads! sometimes he will work with me and sometimes he won't, I learned this in hu2 and hu1 I think. I think his readslist looks awful especially with lurkers being a good chunk of his townreads but bad reads /= scum.

[pirate mollie]

god I wanna lynch reck

[pirate mollie]

mollie have you made any attempt at all to

reach out

to me this game?

well, I attempted to help you with cabd by voting him with you, I was waiting around for you to push more (and I get that is hard to do when he is being a lurksack) so i support you and follow-up and i sent you a message so yeah I wld say that I have!

we do great with board games and f2f I just don't understand why it doesn't translate to forum mafia. I am not giving up tho COS SOMEDAY IT IS GONNA HAPPEN.

[pirate mollie]

I feel like I am going to wind up on life support while waiting around for reck to address what I said and cabd to do...something.

[pirate mollie]

what exactly are you waiting for me to address

mollie have you made any attempt at all to

reach out

to me this game?

well, I attempted to help you with cabd by voting him with you, I was waiting around for you to push more (and I get that is hard to do when he is being a lurksack) so i support you and follow-up and i sent you a message so yeah I wld say that I have!

we do great with board games and f2f I just don't understand why it doesn't translate to forum mafia. I am not giving up tho COS SOMEDAY IT IS GONNA HAPPEN.

I don't

really

understand why you were asking this question in the first place. cos it is kinda apparent that I have!

are you doing that thing you do where you only look up your name in a thread and those are the only posts you look at

[pirate mollie]

mollie love, by tomorrow I assume I'll be able to show you about TS

kk

since there is only about 3 pple that are actually doing stuff I have decided to blog about my life.

I lost a staring contest with a turtle today. that is all.

oh! and the guy at the shish kabob place gave me a free greek salad and authentic tabouli along with baklava when I ordered a diet coke and lamb gyro. he said he liked my shirt SO TAKE THAT RECK.

[pirate mollie]

ur mom is a thing.

I am willing to lynch tier who is up for it.

[pirate mollie]

Back. Also demonstrating my role.

how lovely for you to grace us with your presence.

how exactly are you demonstrating your role?

[pirate mollie]

that came out cattier onscreen than I intended.

if you have a negative utility role why did you not out it?

[pirate mollie]

It's not negative utility per say, I mentioned it in passing at the start of the day and just now had a chance to demonstrate it.

what did you demonstrate

cos I am not seeing it

[pirate mollie]

the fuck is that

whatever are you talking about notty?

cadb did nothing with the score keep?

[pirate mollie]

you don't say

if he was scum than town has to be stacked which is not in line with your role claim in case you ended up in lylo with cabd.

@ cabd

ty for proving your role! got anything else?

[pirate mollie]

I am really hoping that wiser minds can figure that shit out wrt set up spec

[pirate mollie]

ugh

cabd that post is so scummy

unless you give reasons as to why tboner was a better choice than others I am sus

plus, I know you love playing scum. how many coins did you use in this game again?

[pirate mollie]

tboner choice?

[pirate mollie]

T-Bone has been prodded.

This specifically has to occur for my role to proc. he was the only one prodded in the most recent VC.

@Reck fucking lol okay then

did you notice that tier was prodded in #683 and rhino was prodded in #377. (I don't quite blame you for it since they were not bolded).

you had a pool of 3.

also #311 and #505 is a sharp contrast to how you usually approach a game.

also I think your claim is bullshit?

[pirate mollie]

I have a swell idea

How about cabd catches up and we read him instead of his role

I can't wait for d2

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: cabd

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

cabd is using the shouty font and I wanna hear him out.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is pinging me again.

this is my highly sophisticated response to you:

Spoiler:

idc

I have you as paranoid town and i am ignoring you cos I think there are things that you just miss as town. your scum game is much better I think!

even if you think cabd is scum (and I am not sure since you are not voting him and something something about set up spec while ignoring notty) you shld want a full readslist and thoughts from him cos it leaves a trail.

I am reaching out to you COS I THINK YOU ARE PARANOID TOWN.

what I am trying to get to the bottom of is why cabd targeted tboner when I have barely seen cabd's suspicion on him and I am not buying that it is because it was the only 1 that he noticed cos it was bolded when tier and rhino were also prodded but not in bolded. cabd's only saving grace is that he indicated that he wasn't going to use his role in the first place (explains the lack of attention) plus he loves playing scum so I wld THINK he wld be smarter than try to bus a scummate in tboner.

I am trying to sort things out.

[pirate mollie]

if you are talking about ongoing games you need to stfu.

my misread on fg was pretty funny in that game and I had fun doing it even if it pissed him off eventho he is 1 of my onsite faves ever. i probs won't try that particular style again tho.

I am seeing a bit of breakdown from cabd (which makes me lean town), that is why I unvoted! but I wanna see what else he comes up with wrt the game.

how do you feel about reck?

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie
I don't know how to read Reck, I don't like his style and think from what I have seen that it favours scum regardless of his alignment, that said the dumb disbelief at Cabd's claim and the reaction is something I have seen other townies do before and I don't see the kind of consensus around him that would come from a team backup, he is a fence townread of mine.

We are at a crossroads here, either scum is hanging out in the lurkerfest slots or scum is firmly entrenched into most people's town's circles, someone like {Ceph., Mollie, Ice, partially NS} to be clear and from my perspective, so the less scummy the lurkers start to look the more I am going to focus the town block that has been created today.

I am really interested in LLD vs NS currently.

what about reck's playstyle do you have a problem with exactly? I am not so sure that it favours 1 alignment over the other.

also I am not sure why you are pursuing the dichotomy of "either scum is hanging out in the lurkerfest slots or scum is firmly entrenched into most people's town's circles" since it has been within my experience that scum are likely to be in both and also what town bloc did you have in mind?

[pirate mollie]

The shos push is also important by the way, I don't see at least 1 scum not getting on that push if he is town and I don't see most townies that have a clue of how to read him not getting onto it if he is scum, try to remember this when doing future analysis.

this is a terribad post

[pirate mollie]

Mod please warn the guy about language.

If this langauge is permitted than I'd like to express the same sentiment. The only thing that is simplistic is his comprehension of my posts, assuming it isn't fake.

if you want to tell cephrir to fuck off I have no problem with that.

if you descend into rape fantasies involving cephrir while spamming his inbox THAT is something I have a problem with.

anyways somehow we are losing sight of the cabd/reck thing.

notty DID say he wanted to not lynch cabd based on his role (and I agree, that is why I am asking cabd the choice of his target cos that is much more indicative of his alignment than the role itself) and then voted cabd. <----- this happened.

does it bother any1 else that iceyrent tried to slide himself in as town in post 892?

also copper you asking for cephrir to roleclaim looks like rolefishing. you don't like reck's playstyle but you certainly are following up on his suspicions of cephrir!

[pirate mollie]

guys we only have 2 days

[pirate mollie]

Because he claimed "loldontlynchmetodaybecauserole"

many strong much convince, i know

Ya this basically.

D2 he'll probably say he was roleblocked and ask for an extra day or whatever, whereupon there will be much hand-wringing.

he already proved his role

[pirate mollie]

okay i have caught up. I have been busy all afternoon and evening.

katsuki knock it the fuck off. I am being srs. leave cephrir alone.

cabd has been a useless lurksack regardless of alignment ever since he moved to chicago <----- he is telling the truth there. I don't know what to do with him, I mean having a role in which its utility is to get a player to vote themselves seems to me to be a negative utility scumrole but *shrug* set spec is not my thing. I don't like how he used it on a player that he has not even pushed and i am getting impatient with him not coming into the thread and explaining it.

I have shos as town and I am not super sure why pple are sus of him.

tboner I have played with you when you been both alignments and what I am not seeing here is you sinking your teeth into the game which reminds me of upick song. you kept prevaricating until I rode you and even then you were meh until finally you fake-claimed a guilty on mine and nacho's hydra which was suicide. you have done nothing and continue to nothing but will post when you are under attack and defend yourself while...doing nothing. if you are town you need to come into the thread and razzle and dazzle us cos I am just sort of wanting to lynch you at this point.

if you need an incentive here ya go!

VOTE: tbone

i am not buying the HIDING BEHIND THE DRAMAZ of copper's force replace it looks like you are just trying to come with excuses (which is your scumplay) to justify not doing a thing or scumhunt or be particularly useful in any way. shos makes some good points about you needing to be beetlejuiced into the thread in order to get involved when you cld have been doing this the whole time.

[pirate mollie]

also in case any1 is confused I have cehrir as town.