Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

who the fuck cares

[Wisdom]

no i will fucking mislynch everyone. Thats what you want from me. It will happen.

[Wisdom]

im not going to state shit, im done

[Wisdom]

if you dont like it vote me

[Wisdom]

They are not and I am not replacing out anyway

[Wisdom]

dont play good guy to me. you fakeclaimed successfully, congrats, now wait for someone to mislynch tier so you can be happy and win

[Wisdom]

blahblahblah

[Wisdom]

yeah yeah ofc you do

[Wisdom]

obviously

now vote me

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

So you are good with your Iece vote then? That's who you want to be the lynch?

Did you comment on his claim?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: reck

[Wisdom]

This doesn't make any sense to me. If you are scum, this way you ensure your kill won't be blocked. I don't see why tbone has to be tested.

[Wisdom]

We have something that can stop a kill and you want to waste it.

Seems legit.

[Wisdom]

i wish i was scum this game

Ditto

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tier

I reread him and I can buy him scum. I'll sheep mastin, it's the wisest thing I can do right now else I'll go crazy.

[Wisdom]

Finally a voice of reason. You are right shos, I had forgotten about Bins. The tracker is not town. We don't fucking have a cop + doctor + tracker + grey's role.

VOTE: Iecerint

[Wisdom]

I maintain a team of
{Iece, likely tbone, probably one of reck/TS}

tbone is not scum.

[Wisdom]

Pedit: hmmm that bus. Interesting

Its not a fucking bus. It's Ceph/Iece/someone. Did you read Ceph's bullshit about Tbone having to waste his roleblock on Ceph?

[Wisdom]

I am done being paranoid about Iec as of 3854.

haha of course you are

[Wisdom]

Shos, if your concern is that I am not really a tracker and T-Bone and I fabricated it (seems pretty risky)

you didnt fabricate shit, you are a tracker and you are scum

[Wisdom]

well, except for the "i chose my target" part, which was obvious bullshit

[Wisdom]

Tales of You.

Which tells us that's where Ceph got it from and told Iece to claim it that way

Because amnesiac does not fucking work that way

[Wisdom]

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role,

this sounds like total bullshit

[Wisdom]

Iece/Ceph/Tier.

[Wisdom]

Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

[Wisdom]

Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

I love how I was making this exact point over and over (sans-cop) maybe 30 pages ago. ^^

It's because of the cop that this is important. Cop + tracker = no.

[Wisdom]

Which is why that's bullshit and Tbone was just a random target.

You cannot prove shit.

[Wisdom]

now that I think about it, scum amnesiac tracker would make more sense if they selected who gets the track. Otherwise it is basically negative utility for scum

[Wisdom]

no, dont particularly care

you are scum because we have a flipped cop

[Wisdom]

[Wisdom]

dude i rarely ever get lynched as town, like hell I'll attribute my towniness to someone else

[Wisdom]

There is no reason for it to state that unless there is benefit by putting inventing off.

That's forced. How do you get this by "you will receive an ability"?

[Wisdom]

Instead it said that I would receive a 1-shot ability. There is a reason for that.

but that's what it says? What's the difference?

[Wisdom]

I think letting Iec track me is a pretty safe course of action.

ignoring the fact you're asking me to let the scum tracker track you

what would tracking you accomplish?

[Wisdom]

And? That would make you town because?

Also, no. It is a completely forced conclusion that 1-shot means "stronger the later it is used".

pedit: @tier

[Wisdom]

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role, seeing that my role PM explicitly says my action will be 1-shot. Because of this, I have not yet invented and am looking to do so this night.

Tell me something, Tier. Let's say I believe you. Let's say you are telling the truth. Let's even say that things ARE like you and your team believe and you are going to get a stronger role for waiting.

When exactly are you going to use that role? After we lose the game in lylo?

[Wisdom]

Oh nevermind. I guess you implied you receive the role immediately.

[Wisdom]

dude i rarely ever get lynched as town, like hell I'll attribute my towniness to someone else

Everyone in this game seems comfortable doing so.

Because they don't like me and it's nice insulting me by saying "we only townread you because mollie". There's no way anyone would scumread me even if there was no mollie.

although everything is possible with this playerlist

[Wisdom]

I receive it at daybreak. So not immediately.

So when would you use it then? After the game is over?

[Wisdom]

How

Have you even read?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom can't do critical thinking as town

What am I ignoring exactly?

[Wisdom]

He "implies" that this game is going so fast that the last time he was posting from home was on page 139.

[Wisdom]

You are positing theories that require me to have made my life hard for myself for no reason but WIFOM, which isn't something that happens very often in the real world. Additionally, you are selectively accepting evidence that supports the WIFOM-requiring theory (e.g., wiki says amnesiac works way X) while ignoring evidence to the contrary (e.g., multiple theme games have it work in way Y).

What are the things I am suggesting you are doing that would make your life harder?

[Wisdom]

Hilariously unbalanced mafia is a) Bastard and b) a game that says it in the fucking title that it's unbalanced.

Did you seriously just use it as an example?

[Wisdom]

But yeah you are fucking scum if you are saying that it's feasible IN A TEAM MAFIA GAME that we have a cop+doc+grey's role+tracker, all town.

[Wisdom]

I don't get it. I'm only asking you to let myself prove my role tonight. If I'm not targeting myself you can lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

So waste a track just to check something that is not alignment indicative.

Same bullshit as Ceph's bullshit.

[Wisdom]

Well, if it is night-action, the game could potentially be over when I use it.

So you're telling me you decided to wager it all on it being a day action instead of just using it on N2, for example.

[Wisdom]

Which is bullshit because if he is town you are stopping him from blocking scum.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tier

[Wisdom]

He's not, though. <_<

I guess you could check Cephrir's attitude toward T-Bone and see if he thought he was around that time. That could be telling if he was relatively ambivalent.

He is.

Ofc Ceph is going to argue "I dont think hes town", but he is and that's Ceph trying to direct a town roleblocker away from scum.

[Wisdom]

Tbone is not fucking scum. stop it.

[Wisdom]

can you shut up thanks

get roped.

[Wisdom]

No. stop the suggestive line of questioning.
I might respond if you stop being a dick.

what "no"?

You are saying that you decided to use it the night before lylo yet you receive the role at daybreak. Meaning you might not get to use it at all. That's fucking bullshit.

[Wisdom]

I might not. But only in the case that it's both night action AND that we lynch ANOTHER two town in the following days, something that doesn't seem likely at all to me.

It's not likely that we lynch town today and in lylo? Really?

[Wisdom]

I'm listening, Tier, what exactly is the thought process?

"I won't use it yet, I will wait until N3 and hope that we have lynched scum so that it's not lylo the next day"?

[Wisdom]

Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.

So the fact the game will fucking end after we lynch town tomorrow and today and you will never use your supposed "OP because I waited 3 nights" actions has no bearing in your choice to wait until N3.

[Wisdom]

action*

[Wisdom]

am I the only one unclaimed? lolz

Yes. I guess you should claim so we have a full understanding of the setup.

[Wisdom]

I had this thought yesterday and I'll let you run with it Wis. When I had claimed on Day 2, Iece later stated he thought I was softclaiming my own track on Eddie/You. Why the fuck as a town tracker would he sit on this thought? Would he as a town tracker believe there was another town tracker?

hahahah

I had forgotten about this

[Wisdom]

2. I assumed a track because of the availability heuristic.

Come again?

[Wisdom]

I am When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player. basically I get notified at morning if I was targetted at night. as abilities, it counts as (A), as in, I target myself, too.

What.

If it counts as you targeting yourself shouldn't you be told that you were targeted?

[Wisdom]

Except that Shos claimed yesterday that he knew someone had targeted him so there is a descripency with his claim.

This too.

[Wisdom]

Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.

So the fact the game will fucking end after we lynch town tomorrow and today and you will never use your supposed "OP because I waited 3 nights" actions has no bearing in your choice to wait until N3.

It does.

Okay, look, we just thought I would be alive until N4 and that the game wouldn't have ended by then. That's why we decided not to use it on N2. Simple as that.

That's not "simple", that's bullshit.

[Wisdom]

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

You received it during the day, duuh?

[Wisdom]

1. Mollie=Wisdom used her day message on Reck D1...it was instantaneous.

So I just forgot a claimed message I guess? Or he also has a delayed message, you're saying?

Eddie sent shos a message D2. We have talked about this.

[Wisdom]

huh? How would the message interact with Loud Doctor?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is the one who thought your Rhinox target made sense.

I didnt in the beginning of the day

[Wisdom]

This is getting chaotic.

UNVOTE: because I don't want anyone at L-1 right now.

Has shos answered about the discrepancy yet?

[Wisdom]

(You could claim the amnestic track with a message, but seems simpler to just do it outright.)

wtf are you talking about. I had an argument with Reck for pages about why this isn't possible.

[Wisdom]

So the "I know I was targeted" referred to Eddie's message?

[Wisdom]

dude

-You receive a result that says you were not targeted during the night.
-You receive a message

And you're telling us you did not understand whether the message is day or night action? How is that possible, you did not trust your role?

[Wisdom]

(You could claim the amnestic track with a message, but seems simpler to just do it outright.)

wtf are you talking about. I had an argument with Reck for pages about why this isn't possible.

I don't understand what you mean and I don't remember what you're alluding to.

I'm offering another example of a potential use for your ability, other than just sending random messages. Roles sometimes synergize in interesting ways in theme games. It's parenthetical because it's a dumb interaction because you can just claim the result outright.

I cannot claim results of any kind because my message is noted as not being from the mod. We went over this.

Mailmen are just mailmen.

[Wisdom]

Oh. Yeah, that would be possible I guess.

pedit: @iece

[Wisdom]

Day 2 start was at x:12 (1393)

Eddie's message was sent at y:33. I have to convert the times to check if x=y, but either way it's not five minutes.

[Wisdom]

I think that his "well apart from myself" comment has to do with him thinking you were calling discrepancy on "i got nobody targeted me" vs "i always target myself"

[Wisdom]

But your 4054 is a good point.

[Wisdom]

Day 2 start was at x:12 (1393)

Eddie's message was sent at y:33. I have to convert the times to check if x=y, but either way it's not five minutes.

Nevermind that. Magua actually started the day at x:25. And you are telling the truth it happened instantly, because you immediately posted 1396 in response.

[Wisdom]

I cannot ask Eddie, he is not part of my team anymore. But as I said, I believe you on that part.

I don't believe you on all the others. Are you claiming you did not trust the mod result that you were not targeted by anyone?

[Wisdom]

of COURSE it has relevance to my role, is that not clear?

It doesn't. Your role said that you were NOT targeted and you claimed knowing you were targeted based on your role.

[Wisdom]

Also wait a second, Iece is right. You said that D3, not D2, meaning you were talking about N2. Eddie sent you the message at the beginning of D2, meaning your supposed dilemma was between N1 and D2, not N2.

[Wisdom]

also I know that someone targetted me tonight.

This is where he said it.

What day is it in this post, Iece?

[Wisdom]

ok nvm Im derping, yes, it was D2.

[Wisdom]

I saw Grey posts above that and I thought that Grey replaced in D3, but that was wrong

[Wisdom]

ok I believe shos.

Back to lynching Tier.

VOTE: Tier

[Wisdom]

how the fuck did you all make this many posts at 5 am.

its afternoon for me and shos, dunno about iece

[Wisdom]

No, back to lynching Iece!

Explain to me how Tier's bullshit make any sense?

[Wisdom]

Both. He is just confused right now and some of his answers are irrelevant but I more or less understood his thought process.

[Wisdom]

uh. Quote which posts you mean exactly because my brain is tired.

[Wisdom]

He posted 2159 because he was confused with his role, the result forms, whether he was targeted or not, etc. When he got accused of being Rhinox's target with people pointing to that he simply indicated to all that confusion there was with his role that prompted him to post that. Therefore relevant to his role.

[Wisdom]

also I wanna note that reading said accusation makes me think grey is scum

that switch to shos was horrible

[Wisdom]

tier's

and tbone's I guess

shos's is definitely not a fakeclaim. He is right that he is good at fakeclaims, he would absolutely not fail like that in Team Mafia of all things.

[Wisdom]

also dunno if my posts give it away but my gut feels better about you, even if I dont agree with it

[Wisdom]

Cephrir - Miller Vote Switcher - When the Mod messes up the votecount
GreyICE - Night action cop - When the Mod doesn't replace players before the night ends
Iecerint - Amnesiac Tracker - When The Mod Gives Results To The Wrong Player
notscience - Hated ? - ?
shos - Self-Watcher - When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player
T-Bone - Roleblocker - When the Mod forgets a night action
TierShift - 1-shot Self-Inventor - When the mod forgets to send a role PM
Wisdom - Messenger - When the Mod just has to comment
xRECKONERx - Points Awarder - When The Mod Keeps Score


Bins - Conditional Cop - When the Mod Ties Alignment to Flavor
Cabd - Limited Vote Mover - When the Mod Doesn’t Replace Lurkers
Katsuki - 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker - When the Mod Forgets to Lock the Thread
Rhinox - Loud Doctor - When the Mod Plays Favorites[/quote]

[Wisdom]

I'm at Tier/Grey/{Reck/Ceph/Tbone} right now

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, explain to me the Tiershift vote? also has he claimed? I don't remember by now?...because I remember when reading up that the first three votes were basically reasonless, and they all looked very random to me, especially while he's in V/LA

Read his claim and my conversation with him and ask me again

[Wisdom]

if Iece was town, he would know that there exist a *TOWN* tracker, cop, AND doc. with this, voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

No because scum-rb also makes sense with there being town cop+doc+tracker. You said it yourself that there's no "follow the cop" in Team Mafia.

[Wisdom]

sure

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

Doesn't replace the lurkers before night ends clearly indicates a slot who is about to not send a night action in and the mod does nothing about it.

It is somewhat relevant to grey's role in that he finds whether they can use a night action. I think it would make more sense if he checked whether they used a night action that night rather than in general, though.

It's right that it's the one that fits the least.

[Wisdom]

Do you guys think Tbone vs Grey could be scumtheatre? I'll go read it again.

[Wisdom]

PLAYER ERROR MAFIA.

[Wisdom]

i did it already shos

Cephrir - Miller Vote Switcher - When the Mod messes up the votecount
GreyICE - Night action cop - When the Mod doesn't replace players before the night ends
Iecerint - Amnesiac Tracker - When The Mod Gives Results To The Wrong Player
notscience - Hated ? - ?
shos - Self-Watcher - When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player
T-Bone - Roleblocker - When the Mod forgets a night action
TierShift - 1-shot Self-Inventor - When the mod forgets to send a role PM
Wisdom - Messenger - When the Mod just has to comment
xRECKONERx - Points Awarder - When The Mod Keeps Score


Bins - Conditional Cop - When the Mod Ties Alignment to Flavor
Cabd - Limited Vote Mover - When the Mod Doesn’t Replace Lurkers
Katsuki - 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker - When the Mod Forgets to Lock the Thread
Rhinox - Loud Doctor - When the Mod Plays Favorites

[/quote]

[Wisdom]

ns please full claim when you are here so this is complete

[Wisdom]

Stop arguing with scum, Wisdom. It drags you down to their level and then you both look like shit. You're not going to convince them the mod gave them a red role PM, they know that.

Wait for other players.

dat buddying

[Wisdom]

I reread the exchange and I think grey is scum and tbone is town.

Tier/Grey/Reck.

[Wisdom]

Tbone blocked Eddie, not Ceph.
Ceph went nowhere according to Tbone (Iece's track)

[Wisdom]

So what do you think about Tier?

Also what is MS saying, you said he has given input.

[Wisdom]

He explained it and it makes perfect sense.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tier

[Wisdom]

Also amusing that you think that not only shos would fuck up so badly, but that he would do this specific thing in a game with you.

[Wisdom]

can you plz selfhammer

[Wisdom]

You are not town. Go appeal to someone else.

shos is town.

[Wisdom]

Since when Im not a good player?

[Wisdom]

No, I mean since when did you develop this opinion.

[Wisdom]

Because the only town game of mine you've seen was the hydra game when I caught you+goodmorning. In all the others I was scum and in one of them (the one you linked earlier) you said I was the best scumbuddy ever.

So when exactly did you decide I am not a good player?

[Wisdom]

P
Oh ok. I'm bad because I'm pushing you. Got it.

[Wisdom]

Nah no need

[Wisdom]

I understand you, I'd be doing the same thing in your position.

[Wisdom]

Some scum try to discredit. Others try to buddy. The latter are more successful on me. You won't be.

[Wisdom]

dude im not interested in a theory discussion

[Wisdom]

So what do you think about Tier?

Also what is MS saying, you said he has given input.

[Wisdom]

lol

Did you seriously try to cite dead town resds

[Wisdom]

reads*

[Wisdom]

Rhinox died because he was obvtown. It points to nobody.

Tier is scum.

shos I am still waiting for MS's input.

[Wisdom]

k

in that case hammer tier

[Wisdom]

what would you guys think about this slot if GICE ever flips scum?

He would still be town for his grey push. And his Tier push. Because both are scum.

[Wisdom]

1. I think that we should be focusing on the {T-bone, GreyICE, Iecerint} trio, as there's likely a really good chance of hitting scum there. The tracker claim is reaaaally off imo and I'd lynch it first.

Nope, we're lynching Tier.

[Wisdom]

and his townclaim on NS has -no- scum motivation behind it - no cred, no benefits - unless he's scum with NS.

lolwat

Are you telling me you've never seen scum claim innos on town?

[Wisdom]

but now that this wagon is on L-1 for ages, and it seems no reasons have been put together by any one of the voters, and the wagon just rose so quickly and without resistance.......I have a bad feeling about this. it's like, 4000 posts into the game I'm calling a "gut" and say this is town. If this lynch goes through, and Tier flips town, there *HAVE* to be 1-2 scums on the wagon. NS is out of question, most preferred is probably Reck so far.

Wagon speed is not alignment indicative.

[Wisdom]

Still Tier/Grey/Reck, still needs hammer.

[Wisdom]

shos we are not lynching based on setup spec. Tier is not town.

iso ns if you dont remember his pushes

[Wisdom]

Please listen to him

[Wisdom]

Currently the only reason I can think of for Tierscum is his stupid push on me, where he seems to give faulty meta which he should correctly read the other way around (like wisdom does).

dude...

You have this 1-shot Inventing thing. You decide, for some unworldly reason, that you will get a better action the later you use it. And you risk not getting to use it at all? How the fuck is this a believable course of action?

[Wisdom]

This means that either things are exactly like he says, except he is scum with this role and therefore doesn't fear the game ending,

or that this all was made up bullshit.

[Wisdom]

notscience and mastin's opinion on the setup wouldn't hurt before the hammer

but ns keeps not being here

[Wisdom]

dont hammer yet, lets wait for that

[Wisdom]

He was prodded so he has to post soon after all

[Wisdom]

that wont happen. If we were to lynch from the three investigatives, we would be lynching grey.

[Wisdom]

yes, scum kill those who have good reads. That's basic knowledge.

Bullshit. Scum kill those who a) aren't pushable and b) who might hold good and dangerous power roles.

[Wisdom]

Yes, I read the fucking thread. By doing that, I noticed that your story is full of holes. You have an ability that EXPLICITLY informs you if you have been targeted at night.
If you then post that you HAVE BEEN TARGETED AT NIGHT, that means you are crumbing that you have received a pm saying you were targeted.
ANYTHING
ELSE
IS
NOT
FUCKING
POSSIBLE

No, it does not mean that. It means he received Eddie's message and thought it was a night action. Since he received no PM from the mod regarding his action, his action could have malfunctioned. It's entirely plausible.

[Wisdom]

ohey, now I remember where I remember this table from.
viewtopic.php?p=6708763#p6708763
right there, where you were scum. Weren't you being just as helpful there as you're being here? Helpful shos is certainly town, isn't he?

So because he tried to be helpful as scum means he can't be helpful as town?

[Wisdom]

He did not crumb anything. He said that he knew he was targeted. Which he thought because he thought the message was night action.

Nobody is being deceived by his helpfulness, helpfulness is not alignment indicative.

[Wisdom]

Yes, I read the fucking thread. By doing that, I noticed that your story is full of holes. You have an ability that EXPLICITLY informs you if you have been targeted at night.
If you then post that you HAVE BEEN TARGETED AT NIGHT, that means you are crumbing that you have received a pm saying you were targeted.
ANYTHING
ELSE
IS
NOT
FUCKING
POSSIBLE

No, it does not mean that. It means he received Eddie's message and thought it was a night action. Since he received no PM from the mod regarding his action, his action could have malfunctioned. It's entirely plausible.

I'm not sure he ever put it this way.

If you read between the lines, you get it. We had a discussion with Iece earlier about it.

[Wisdom]

No, you do NOT fucking ASSUME your action malfunctioned.

What would you assume if you got no PM about whether you were targeted as well as a message that looks like a night action?

[Wisdom]

That's what he means by a "fight".. he asked why he didn't get notified he was targeted since he got a message and was therefore targeted. Magua couldn't tell him anything so it confused shos.

[Wisdom]

Nah tier is scum and shos is town

[Wisdom]

Even if the mod told him that, shos would be left in confusion "But I was targeted? You just sent me a message that was a result of a night action?"

And Magua couldnt expand, what would he say, "that wasn't a night action"? He can't.

[Wisdom]

I don't see the weird part but whatever

[Wisdom]

Results, folks.

[Wisdom]

I didnt like your hammer one bit though. I asked you to wait until ns posts.

[Wisdom]

How comes ns got killed though??? That is a super strange kill imo

how the fuck is it strange given he was basically conftown?

[Wisdom]

Shos claimed no one targeted him night 2 and I demonstrably targeted him night 2

lol

[Wisdom]

Wisdom its strange because tracker+roleblocker duh

they are in the pool of suspects. ns isn't.

[Wisdom]

At least two scum

did ms not realize what tier flipped?

[Wisdom]

After all the discussion about it, I will not believe it if shos tells us "oh wait, I got targeted N2 after all"

[Wisdom]

not telling you yet

[Wisdom]

hm? Ceph, did you switch Reck with Iece?

[Wisdom]

Because shos wanted to push iece prolly

ns just wasn't pushable after grey's claim

[Wisdom]

you?

[Wisdom]

well tbone did block you after all and i wouldnt expect shos to do the nightkill so maybe not

Who do you think it is?

[Wisdom]

Why does that make Grey town? I've seen scum claiming innos on town plenty of times.

[Wisdom]

btw because i suck at setups; what does the framer flip tell us about the roleblocker? Is the framer enough against cop+tracker?

[Wisdom]

tbone claimed he blocked reck

[Wisdom]

mhm

I think it's Tbone

[Wisdom]

Who is the third in your opinion, tbone?

[Wisdom]

2. Scum redirected me

what

[Wisdom]

You see my claim, and you supposedly have a direct CC to it, but you forget about it for an entire day, despite all the discussion we had about my claim, yes? And then when Tier dies you suddenly realize it?

You have no point, given we all missed it.

[Wisdom]

except it's not a passive role

[Wisdom]

Im back to believing shos

VOTE: grey

[Wisdom]

nah both are town

[Wisdom]

you and grey are the remaining scum

[Wisdom]

nope, Im going to lynch grey like ns and mastin wanted.

[Wisdom]

ceph not-wanting to elaborate on the mechanics of his role is intriguing.

wtf are you talking about? What is there to elaborate on?

[Wisdom]

ceph and T-bone are probably not scumpartners.

ceph is town, so yeah.

It's grey and Tbone, and we're lynching grey.

[Wisdom]

Because they are both town

[Wisdom]

ceph can you ask whether your role counts as you visiting the two targets?

[Wisdom]

i hate how it still feels like scum are controlling the game even after we lynched one of them >.<

[Wisdom]

why isn't it shos v ceph

Why the fuck would it be shos v ceph? How can ceph be scum given WE KNOW the vote switch happened and therefore he isn't lying?

[Wisdom]

BUT WE KNOW HE DID

[Wisdom]

SO HOW IS CEPH SCUM

[Wisdom]

so he's resorted to shit like "my self watcher can be redirected, causing me to watch someone else" which is just about the most ridiculous thing ever

He had said that is the case since he claimed it.

[Wisdom]

BUT WE KNOW HE DID

SO HOW IS CEPH SCUM

Oh, I'm not saying we would lynch Ceph today, I'm saying their claims are in direct contradiction with each other

So say shos flips town. Ceph is scum because?

[Wisdom]

I'm asking why you're not voting shos right fucking now

BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING TOWN.

Is it so hard to consider there is an alternative that causes both Ceph and shos to be town? For example, Tbone blocking shos N2?

[Wisdom]

No, the claim is fine. Either Tbone blocked shos N2 or something else we don't know about happened. shos is town.

pedit: Or Rhinox just targeted scum.

[Wisdom]

We KNOW Ceph isn't fakeclaiming his role. We have no idea if Shos is trueclaiming. No one has come out and said they targeted him last night either, so Shos is making shit up. Occam's Razor.

YET DESPITE THAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING 1V1 BETWEEN CEPH AND SHOS.

[Wisdom]

Reck, I think the reason Wisdom is so hard-reading me as town is because of the 5-minutes thing that could only be confirmed to HIM because of timestamps on D2 start. practically nobody else can have this confirmed, so it's harder for you to believe.

are you for fucking real? why would this make you town? that is completely null.

[Wisdom]

fuck this. You are all fucking terrible. SHOS IS TOWN and im not touching him.

[Wisdom]

the only thing ive been sure about was cabd being town and tier being scum and i was 100% right.

[Wisdom]

no you fucking shut the fuck up. I am not letting this obvious scumpush on shos succeed.

[Wisdom]

There we go with the discrediting again. Gotta discredit Wisdom so we mislynch shos gais.

[Wisdom]

i almost want to abandon my grey scumread and return to reck/tbone because this shit is fucking ridiculous.

[Wisdom]

SCUM DO HAVE DAYTALK THATS COMMON KNOWLEDGE DONT ACT DUMB

[Wisdom]

fuck this. It's Reck/Tbone.

VOTE: tbone

[Wisdom]

MS is spamming the fuck out of the team PT guys I'll take a while to post it and then I'll keep reading

literally nobody in this game gives a flying fuck what Metal Sonic has to say about anything

I do.

[Wisdom]

shos would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia. And ESPECIALLY after Tier fucked up his. I don't know what the explanation is, I don't know if Tbone blocked him or something else that we don't know about happened, but shos is not scum.

[Wisdom]

logic is for scum. I only listen to my gut.

[Wisdom]

And its been completely accurate so far soooo

[Wisdom]

T-Bone would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.
TierShift would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.
Iece would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia.

noone says they did?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom can listen to his gut and keep fellating bad players and chasing lynches on town and being aggressively, offenseively, obscenely wrong

I'll keep trying to figure the game out B)

I'm still completely fucking right and you're still trying to discredit me every time I am on the right path because you are scum.

That's all.

[Wisdom]

DID I OR NOT CATCH TIER AND CALL BULLSHIT ON HIS CLAIM? DID I SAY THAT CABD IS FLIPPING TOWN OR NOT?

WHAT I SAY IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THE DAY IS IRRELEVANT.