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Yeah, we aren't lynching this ever.In post 89, SecondEngineer wrote:Ok. I'm going to open up some more.
I've been pretty quiet most of the game. I didn't really want this to be the case though. The problem is that I don't really know what to talk about. I guess I could analyze people, but I still really don't have much of an idea on how to do that (But I guess I can only learn through practice).
So I feel that I've been playing very defensively. Most of my posts have been attempts to deflect the attacks towards me. I realize this is very suspicious. Playing defensively seems like it'd do very little to help the town.
The reason I've been nervous is the same reason I've been playing so defensively. The first post I made in the game was labeled suspicious. Right off the bat this unsettled me and so I nervously set out to stop any accusations against me so I could actually start scumhunting. I assumed that any accusations I made while under fire would only make me more suspicious. On top of this I had no real leads on a legitimate target to focus on.
So mostly, I've been trying to lower suspicions on myself without casting baseless aspersions on someone who I don't have any real leads on.
This post could be taken as a pretty defensive one as well, so I'll try to do some analysis in a bit.-
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^Found his scumbudIn post 101, Drake Crusader wrote:I get off for a night and this thread blows up! I still don't like second in the beginning however, I do believe his reason. Now I have to go over and look things over.
UNVOTE:
Since Second has quelled anything I had against him that leaves good ole Montosh. Didn't like you before. Still don't like you now! With your recent posts you could just be some scum who is trying to lynch off and confuse us with your short answers.
FOS:Montosh
I believe other than him my only other suspicion would be back at JacobSavage. He hasn't really thrown much in and it bothers me to think that he could be a potential buddy for Montosh.
I feel that I may have to look over some things. I shall report in when I find something new and exciting!-
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Silly nom, he wants you to fight his wagon for him!In post 114, Nominull wrote:
Sure it does. It could be interpreted as an attempt to buddy up to me ("hey, remember that game we were scum in together, don't we still have a lot of positive feelings toward each other based on the natural camaraderie of the mafia?"), or it could be interpreted as an attempt to seem more authoritative later when she says that something I did is similar to a strategy I used as scum in the game we were in together (despite that being pointless since she had not been in a game where I was town). It was not a neutral action, certainly.In post 112, Spaces wrote:No one's saying you're a stupid townie. And I read post #74, and it didn't seem compelling to me. Just because someone says they used to be scum buddies so they might know how someone operates as scum doesn't really mean anything about their alignmentthisgame.
notscience has better claim to understanding my meta, since he's been in games with me as both scum and town. But meta is evil so if he doesn't want to exploit that that's perfectly ok by me.
And I tried meta last time >.>-
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You don't sayIn post 121, TRG wrote:He'll remain my #1 scum read unless if something scummier comes up.-
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You are scum, Drake is your buddy.In post 138, Montosh wrote:
Could you please explain your reasoning to me?In post 129, notscience wrote:JS lurks a fair amount, this is the best I've seen him.
Put your vote onactual scumplease, one ofDrake or Montashwould be nice.
Why only 1 townread?
What isn't to understand? You are scum given your L-1 vote and your reaction after being incredibly off, too quick to apologize.
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You aren't arguing with me, you're taking anything I say, focusing on little key words then saying NO ITS NOT TRUE THAT HAS NO MERIT YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF OBVSCUM
While you accuse me of having nothing in the semblence of the case, you are sitting there doing nothing except trying to discredit me.
You aren't trying to find peoples alignments. Your initial vote on me wasn't because you thought me scum, it was due to something my predecessor did that you voted the other person before and got called out for. You're trying to throw shit and see what sticks.-
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I'm referring to where they said we were stronger scum but then voted you. Got called on it, and now voted meIn post 161, Nominull wrote:If your predecessor was scum that makes you scum, notsci. Makes perfect sense.
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Wrong, that wasn't what started all this. Nice try.In post 158, Montosh wrote:That was essentially the only point you made, that i'm not scumhunting, just trying to discredit you.-
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60 Look here, as in MONTOSH'S FIRST POST as he sheeps Tigris.
62 A response to JS asking if he thinks Tigris is town, saying "I don't see anything that would say such"
64 Unvotes his sheepvote, because he "jumped the gun"
70 This post looks like an early scumflail. He has to rectify his slipup. Although, the thought process about needing a good reasoning stated every time one votes could be seen from a town=perspective.
74 This post is where he accuses my Raven (RIP <3) and Nom of being a scumtea, as well as saying Raven is trying to divert attention away from the guy he isn't even voting. So, with all this reasoning behind a Raven-scumread, and the interaction proving fruitful should I flip scum (which would be the proper TOWN thought process btw), he FoS's Nom.
76. 77 Here, he responds to JSav's disapproval of 70. At first, he justifies himself. Then, he gets all defensive over the acusation, when it was placed without a vote.
80 I want to hear from Second and Nom, when he hasn't done much questioning of any sort. Then, he puts Second to L-1. Funny, didn't he earlier say he doesn't think we'd find much reasoning to lynch someone on D1, yet he has no trouble putting someone that close to a lynch.
86 Here- "Oh I wasn't even suspicious of him I just wanted him to talk" yet it seems a common thread throughout his whole posts is suspicion of SE. The onl
Now, this string of interactions is interesting. He starts out with a sheeping vote under the ruse "Well I'm a newbie but this looks good." JSav asked him his opinion of the guy he was sheeping. Now, wouldn't a town answer have something along the lines of leaning town (as this was early in the game)? Especially considering how he was willing to come right in and sheep him? But instead, he piggybacks his vote on someone else's reasoning (assumingly to deflect blame if the need arises later), and gets called out for the vote so he unvotes without shifting the vote to someone else. Now, lets look what else is a common thread in his posting. Defensiveness. Apologizing for mistakes.
104, 107 Here, he says "Wow I can definately see the reason you guys want to lynch me" and then asserts an FoS on me for raven's actions, in the same post that he used to FoS Nominull. So, he lied about one of these. Outright lied.
Now, what's the town motivation to lie? Exactly.
Holy AtE batman!
110 After I die hopefully they'll keep stake in my reasonless vote that I'm not actually pursuing myself
113 He falls back on the Newbie card, says he wants Nom's opinion on it- But wait, wasn't Nom (according to his ISO) the person who is most likely my "partner"
117 Asking what something means it's meh
120 Nom gives one post and all of a sdden he's not so scummy. Montosh has to think about things. Up to this point, he has only mentioned 3 reads that weren't null. Me. Nom. SE.
137 That's funny, wasn't what concerned him in 74? Apparently, me trying to lynch MY SCUMREAD concerns him.
138 Asks for my reasoning, without giving substantive reasoning for his vote on me. I find its weird he's so focused on the reasoning behind him being scum (the drake bit is meh and interesting after he flips scum, especially given the lack of a mention to drake prior to this post). Why is it weird? He looks all too ready to jump back on the defensive.
141 Here, he says that oh he slipped up and looks so scummerific enough to lynch, but isn't part of his reasoning for me-scum that I'm trying to lynch him? And now I'm trying to bring in "some random guy."
143 Explaining something ladeeda
145 So, not citing something makes me scum? Must I cite any and every point? And, how does not quoting something make me scum?
147 Here, he accuses me AGAIN of throwing random scumreads. Now, here's the funny point. He didn't call my scumread against him (which at the time had TERRIBLE reasoning) random, but instead tries to help protect his scumbud.
151 Bitches about a statement in an attempt to not have to rebuttal
153 I'm incriminating myself, yet he doesn't point to ways I am incriminating myself. For someone so focused on the reasonings why someone is scum, he sure is presenting only 1 point, and a shit reasoning at that.
154 "I'm scumhunting when I "argue" with you. Do you see any arguments thus far, folks?
156 My behaviour has led him to think I'm scum. Yet, the only behaviour he's "cited" is me trying to lynch my scumread.
158 I have only one reason why he's scum meanwhile he has- Oh, that's right! One reason!
160 lol
164 Raven was pretty scummy- If raven was pretty scummy, where was your questioning of her? Where was your FoS? Oh, that's right. You put it on Nom over me. He then accuses me of trying to lynch everyone when the only person I'm after at this moment is him, the only other he could maybe argue is drake.
168 More bitching about being a big target and saying he's getting a lot out of me- which is funny, given how he still hasn't pointed to other reasons I could be scum.
173 Funny how he defends someone who is just a "random guy."
182 Here, he goes and discredits me with a "at least some people are reading" He also accuses Drake of AtE which is funny given the prominence of it in his ISO.
184 lol
187 Ambiguity, saying he's trying to find the real scum, blah blah blah. This is after accusations of him being too busy being defensive and not scumhunting.
204 Compliments Spaces' case on me. Is essentially saying he agrees with it all, sheeping someone else's analysis so he doesn't have to fake it himself.
Funny, he said he was getting a lot out of me. Funny, he said he couldn't have said Spaces' case better.In post 207, Montosh wrote:My only "arguments" were that NS wasn't being clear about his accusations of drake and he wasn't citing anything to support them.
210 Again, I'm scum for not having reasoning with an accusation. Noticing a thread?
212 He wants HELP responding to my case? Why would town need help?
215 Discredits ahoy!
So, let's sum it up.
1) A thread of defensiveness and appeasement.
2) Scumreading me for something that initially caused him to scumread another slot
3) Scumreading me for trying to lynch my scumreads
4) Blind defense of someone who is just a "random guy" and saying my accusation is reasonless
5) Sheeping others to avoid having to fake analysis
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1) This was for the townies who can't seem to see scum-youIn post 222, Montosh wrote:60-86: I've already admitted my mistake and how suspicious my mistakes were. This is the evidence you've been using for a while, I think that everyone has seen these before.
104: Stupid me being emotional about a game. I know. You like to point that out, a lot.
107: How did I lie, your explanation is unclear
110: Again, stupid me being emotional about a game. I know. You like to point that out, a lot.
113: I wanted him to respond to my suspicions. I don't see what's wrong?
117: I didn't understand his post, ok?
120: Yes I did make mistakes in my original analysis. I'm sorry. You like to point that out, a lot.
137: I'm afraid I don't understand.
138: Funny thing, still haven't heard you reasoning.
You seem to have gone on a tangent past this point. If there are any specific points beyond this you'd like me to respond to please do let me know and i'll do my best.
2) You just basically denied replying to the key points of the case, why? Because they're damnit.
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And you're takig pressure off the obvscum why?In post 235, Nominull wrote:
This is really defensive over a very reasonable request, that you explain your vote. VOTE: JacobSavageIn post 230, JacobSavage wrote:Becuse we're scum together and we're trying to screw with VCA later in teh game but ssh don't tell anyone its a big secret.-
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Am I wrong about his buddy? You're looking awful good for it right about now.In post 238, Nominull wrote:lol you'll forgive me if I don't trust your judgment as to "obvscum"-
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IMMINENT BASHINGIn post 246, Nominull wrote:I think it's against the rules for me to frankly discuss my perception of NotScience's playstyle.
And yes, I will continue this tomorrow if the lynchee flips town-
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Probably town. They're asking for answers to understand where I'm coming from, I didn't answer fast enough so they voted. I like Spaces for town.In post 249, Tigris wrote:Quick question for notscience-thoughts on spaces? Curious since spaces voted for you and partly defended those you are suspicious of; however, there was limited/no response, which contrasts sharply with responses to nominull (joking?) and drake.-
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What is thisIn post 264, Drake Crusader wrote:What makes you town ?-
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His playstyle is predominately lurking based, as I've said. This is the most I've seen him post. Now, usually his playstyle allots enough distance to have stuff to comment on between. However, now I feel like he's at a lack. He wants to give advice, yet can't really demonstrate it as well given how he plays.-
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What did I say spaces?
Now, let's look at BOTH of what they say about JS.
Lets look at the order of Montosh's input on JS- Unhelpful to town, then scummy. Weird, a scumread of mine would be pushed because they're SCUMMY first. Not uselessness.
Now, Drake treats Montosh like he knows he's going to flip scum. As spaces noted, that statement relies heavily on the premise that JS is town, as without the IC (a common scum-target along with SEs) on N1, that will clue people into the scumteam. Now, this is apparently more important than the person he's pretty sure is scum? So, he wants the person he's pretty sure to be scum alive tomorrow? No. That's not how it works. This is an attempt to look like a bus while secretly fighting his buddy's lynch.-
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Unhelpful to town before scummy. That means that takes more premise in your case as you thought of that to be more important.In post 272, Montosh wrote:But like drake points out, if we lynch either ns or myself, then will Jacob continue to lurk and be unhelpful to town(and frankly scummy) in day 2?
And I really invite you to try and discredit me more.
The second half makes perfect sense. "Lynch JS although I'm confident Montosh will flip scum to see who scum kills and that should tell us who the goon is" (Now, this is something to remember regardless of the Montosh flip. This implies one of two things. IF montosh is scum, that it's duo-goon, as a JS flip being town would mean that scum has two goons because Drake says the kill will tell us who the GOON is. Or, JS is the scum PR and Drake is his goon.)-
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Pedit- Again, you're debating lynching someone who COULD be scum over someone who IS a strong sumread.In post 277, Montosh wrote:"Unhelpful to town before scummy" I still don't get this part.
It is sequential order.
1: That wasn't the reason I voted him. I voted him to apply pressure, something which others did as well, yet you go after me for it(and Jacob still hasn't answered my original question, so I keep my vote)
So your pressure vote for a poor reason because others did as well?
2: How was I trying to discredit you? I asked you a question. I asked you to clarify on a post you made. I'm pretty sure that was never banned in a game of Mafia.
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Maybe it's the part where you implicitly call me crap and that you won't take what I say on face valueIn post 289, Nominull wrote:Trying to think what in my ISO could have possibly given the impression that I'm reasonable.-
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In post 291, Nominull wrote:
Yeah, I guess that's pretty reasonable.In post 290, notscience wrote:
Maybe it's the part where you implicitly call me crap and that you won't take what I say on face valueIn post 289, Nominull wrote:Trying to think what in my ISO could have possibly given the impression that I'm reasonable.
Scumslips take precedence.In post 292, Nominull wrote:I'm gonna do something real scummy here, but we don't have long to deadline and that "lynch the IC" plan did seem sorta bad.
VOTE: Drake Crusader
That's L-1, please state your intent before placing the lynching vote. Drake, you may wish to claim, as we have very little time remaining. If we believe your claim we will need time to find a new lynch target (Montosh).
Let it be known I would prefer a lynch on Montosh, but notsci has stopped trying to lynch his "obvscum" in favor of lynching someone for trying not to lynch their "obvscum".-
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In post 308, Montosh wrote:I'm not scum. But everyone thinks I am. When they realize they're wrong, they're going to have to reevaluate.
I'm saying if you don't lynch me then this whole thing will start over again.
Are scum, and this won't happen again because then your scumbud will be screwed
Of course, that might be just what you want. To continuously delay a lynching so mafia will be able to get away again in day 2, hidden behind the "We must lynch Montosh, he scum!" drama.
I'm not delaying a lynch, which is hysterical that you try to accuse me of it.
I'm asking you to put your money where your mouth is, either vote to lynch me, or don't and tell us who your scum read is, there's less than 24 hours left, we can't afford a no lynch.
I havel iterally said this on every page. I tell people who I'm scumreading. I've said why. I'm going to put my vote where my mouth is AS THE HAMMER. These deadline misreppy flails are hilarious though.
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In post 312, Montosh wrote:
Again with the assumptions. Who's my scumbud then if you're so sure of yourself?In post 311, notscience wrote:Are scum, and this won't happen again because then your scumbud will be screwed
Are you even reading my posts? Like, I've been saying this all fucking day. YOU DEFENDED THEM FROM ME CALLING THEM SCUM
You see, you say i'm scum. You say you've found my "scumbud". Yet you don't vote for me and you don't mention who this scumbud is. Why are you so insistent on being the hammer? I really don't understand.In post 311, notscience wrote:I'm not delaying a lynch, which is hysterical that you try to accuse me of it.
I havel iterally said this on every page. I tell people who I'm scumreading. I've said why. I'm going to put my vote where my mouth is AS THE HAMMER. These deadline misreppy flails are hilarious though.
Because being the hammer is fun and I get to post cool GIFs with the hammer that I don't get to post otherwise. You're repeatedly misrepping me about not findiing your scumbud when I've literally said my thoughts on this ALL DAY.
This still seems suspicious. I'm misrepresenting you, i'm telling it like I see it. Either vote for me, or vote for your "scumread".
Voting my scumread, and I already said I'd vote you. You aren't baiting me that easy, scumfuck.-
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Mods keep nights open the entire time to prevent accidentally revealing roles. So no. this is more likely a successful BP, JK, or Doc.In post 331, SecondEngineer wrote:If no one died, does this mean our mafia could be inactive? If they had decided who to kill, wouldn't the Night have ended earlier? These questions are mostly because I'm new.-
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lolIn post 333, Nominull wrote:Welcome to the game, Brian Skies! Get owned, scum!
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Terrible town is a good cover story for you to use, but it was a bridge too far when you denied Montosh's claim during twilight citing "a metric fuckton of evidence". Nobody isthatsenselessly hubristic.-
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If you're curious in how I act as town and scum and want to read games of both just ask. I laughed because it's predictable as fuck.In post 335, Spaces wrote:@NS, Why are you laughing at Nom? He makes a good point. Are you even remotely phased that Montosh flipped town?
At first I thought you might be bussing your mafia pal, but now I wonder if you're just bluffing your role. Part of me feels like there would be NO WAY you would go so viciously after someone you KNEW was town if you were mafia, but if your play style is brazen and brash, then it's not inconceivable that you might try that tactic.
Now, of course I'm phased. But, being phased is a null tell in and of itself. Why? Scum hardpush a ML- oh man I was wrong. What does town who does that say?-
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Brian I think SE is townIn post 339, Brian Skies wrote:Hi! I have a bit of a heavy game-load and I can't be bothered to wrap my head around this game right now, so I probably won't be able to get a full catch-up until Monday or Tuesday. There are only 14 pages, I know, but you guys talk a lot in those posts (and it's not always coherent right away). And my attention is currently being pulled elsewhere.
modus operandi: Wall-posts, general inactivity (I don't flake, at least not too hard; never replaced out so no need to worry about that).
VOTE: SecondEngineer
Anyhow, you guys are coming at notscience pretty hard. I really want to know what he's done this time.
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Look a lot like that town newbie mislynch bait.In post 344, Brian Skies wrote:Why do you think he's town?-
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notscience Survivor
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You're the one who keeps stalking me
In every game there's always your "ugh i dunno how to read NS well"
Exhibit A- 1419. Where is it here?
And Hiraki can't read me lol, I was his next pick for scum in 528 when I was obvtown. Metal Sonic hasn't seen scum-me, and I think I have like 1 game with town stubbs.
Tigris and jacob are probtown and nom is leaning town-
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notscience Survivor
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notscience Survivor
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notscience Survivor
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notscience Survivor
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