Newbie 1454: Mafia Plain and Simple - Game Over

[Xayzeck]

So what, do we just randomly vote people now? x]

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: TNE

Hoppin' on the wagon

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Xayzeck is nullTown for being second on the vote and creating a wagon.

How would creating a wagon be nullTown?

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Wait so nullTown means not scum?

I thought it meant I was not town x]

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Never done a read but there's a first for everything, right?

I dunno what else to say to you all. I know it was not scummy. People think otherwise. If you find other things I do scummy then whatever, but I will only be acting as a good townie from now on.

So it's a whatever to the scum reads from others, but you still find it necessary to change your behaviour? If you were really Town would it really be needed to say you'd behave less like Scum and more like Town? If you were Scum then you'd be trying to imply that you are Town to avoid further suspicion behind your "accidental" L-1 vote, hence the "acting as a good townie" to imply that you were Town already, but with scummy behaviour.

VOTE: geraintm

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Geraintm

Do say when you put him and L-1

Unvote

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Side note: Xayzeck is town

agreed yaaaaay

woooo yay for me

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There are three people not voting at all. Any reason why? We are past random votes and none of you want to place any of them?

I'm not voting to avoid a mislynch. But my vote would still be on you.

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Xayzeck, what do you think would cause a mislynch?

Twice already we got an unannounced L-1 vote, intentional or not. I have a feeling if we have geraintm at L-1 someone will eventually vote him without knowing he was at L-1. I do believe that's what a mislynch is unless I misunderstood it.

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Yeah, but who specifically in this playerlist?

I'd say Louis since he is awfully quiet and doesn't seem to know much about mafia. If he decides to vote for someone else, my guess is that it'll be a naked vote, and if said someone was at L-1 I don't think he'd state the intent to hammer, though it may not be intentional.

There are three people not voting at all. Any reason why? We are past random votes and none of you want to place any of them?

I'm not voting to avoid a mislynch. But my vote would still be on you.

Am genuinely surprised I ams till top of your hit list and that no one else has risen higher.

Who else would you expect me to have suspected more than you? Seb? Rach?

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OWC, how are you getting a town read from Rach? Are you meta-ing?

It's not so much a town read as a 'she hasn't said anything that looks scummy' read. I'm not a fan of using meta as the basis for a read without a

lot

more evidence to back it up (meta can consciously be manipulated) and I'm no good at recognising meta tells anyway.

What's meta. I still don't know.

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@ Xayzeck – well, you have me down as scummy for pushing someone to L-1. I claim I did this by accident.

You've said it before, why bother saying it again.

You ask who else might be more scummy. Well, by your own rules I would suggest Sebster who also pushed someone to L-1 but with zero explanation and general lurking might be a much better candidate than me.

Seb hasn't posted enough substance for me to confidently say he's scum. He couldn't just be newbtown that doesn't dare to engage in discussion because he's scared he'd be read as scum and not now how to talk his way out, or he'd try and scumhunt and fail at it, both of which I was scared of when I started.

I also think Pisskop is scum, so I think he should be higher up your list than me too.

From what I understand, the reason you think pisskop is scum is because he used your response to his vote to explain his vote, right? I've read through the thread, but I couldn't find pisskop's explanation as to why he did a naked vote. My guess is that he was trying to get a response out of you, probably because he thought you were scum after the L-1 vote incident, but I'd like an explanation from pisskop about that vote because I couldn't find anything.

Also, what are you guys's read on TNE?

[Xayzeck]

this argument is boring. so boring it actually looks town v town..

Why town v town? Because there's no scum slips or because it's just boring?

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Happy Thanksgiving to you too Mod <3

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Scum can often let two townies bash heads. I guess it is fun for them to wTch. Go see my last game for an example. It is statistically likely that is what we are doing here. I have a 4/6 chance of trying to lynch a townie.

4/6? Who are the other 2 there you are sure are town?

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I'm not voting because at this point I have no scumreads. After the geraintm and pisskop argument they seem pretty town, and 3 people just got replaced. The ones who were replaced I couldn't get a good idea if they were scum or town because 1) I'm a derp 2) They didn't post much

At this point with the new players coming in I have a few questions.

NJAC, is your vote for Rach a serious vote or is it to get a response? Why do you also ask pisskop to vote for her?

geraintm and pisskop, do you still think each other scum? And do you plan to move your votes or leave them on each other?

What does every think about BB's entrance with "Hi I'm town". I haven't played enough games to know how to react to it. If he were newbtown and wanted to remove the suspicion TNE made for him then that'd make a little sense, but he's not a newbie.

At this point though IV and NJAC seem scummy, but that's just a gut feeling. I don't have anything to back it up yet.

Also thank you Mod for handling the replacements and what not.

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Could someone explain the above discussion between BB and TSO because I don't understand how they arrived at that vote.

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Newb comin' in!

When Rach did that vote on Seb, there were already a bunch of votes on geraintm, so why would she bother bussing Seb when there was a perfectly good chance to get someone else lycnhed? There were 3 votes on geraintm, and I wanted to vote as well but didn't want him at L-1, so if she wanted she could have had geraintm lynched. If that were the case, why would she vote Seb? Unless of course, she thought geraintm was town and that he shouldn't be lynched, and that she legitimately thought Seb to be scum, which also doesn't make sense to me because Seb had like 3 posts. To read scum off 3 votes, whether they're naked votes or not does seem strange to me, especially since it was a serious vote. Louis was playing more or less the same as Seb, so why didn't she bring that up then. Bah it confuses me.

At this point, NJAC, Rach and TSO seem scummy to me. Again I don't have any evidence to back it up, it's just that reading through I feel that they could be scum. I'm not convinced on the case set up against NJAC though.

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why did he not say so? He had time :/

I think if he did claim Cop he'd be killed by mafia anyway.

If he claimed Town would anyone believe him?

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Had he claimed, yes we would have had time to find someone else, and based on the Matrix system, there was a chance for a doc along with a cop. It would have been the right thing to do to claim.

Oh yeah that makes sense. I wonder why he didn't claim then.

Anyway I think TSO is town now since BB got lynched.

At this point I do think pisskop is scum because he didn't say why he wanted to lynch, but I'll have to read through the pages to find more solid tells.

Also Rach what are your scumreads at the moment?

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@OWC BB was towning all over the place and was working pretty closely with TSO, so if TSO were scum it makes more sense to keep BB alive than to kill him. At least that's what I was thinking.

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i see nobody as scum and it's so frustrating why are you so good at this it's a newbie game come on give me a chance T-T

by the way geraintm your vote on pisskop wasn't valid.

also, if you do still insist on voting for pisskop, i think you'd need more than the fact that he hammered NJAC. doing a serious vote just for that seems a little too much because he did ask for claim, and NJAC refused.

IV, why the vote on OWC? because of how he entered the game? why OWC and myself? because we didn't vote? btw are you scum? i've got a gut feeling

meh

VOTE: IV

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I thought you "saw nobody as scum"

Now you have a "gut feeling" I'm scum

Yeah I realised that doesn't make much sense. Think of it as "I can't say someone is scum for sure" rather than "see nobody as scum", because that was originally what I was trying to get at.

[quote="In post 350, innocentvillager"No not because you didn't vote that's not alignment indicative for shit, where did you even come up with that? "Oh shit neither of us voted, maybe that's why he's onto us?" Actually the fact that you asked me that question is sketchy, why do you need to be aware of OWC's voting history?[/quote]
Because you thought that OWC and myself could be scum, I went a few pages back and looked for what you'd pick us two, and saw that the 2 of us were the only ones who didn't vote, so I brought it up thinking it could have been a deciding factor. But since you said it's not alignment indicative..then herpderp

As for the 1 on 1 off thing Rach, if you read me and geraintm as towny, what would you read Cats as? Null or just less town?

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derped up the quote there sorry

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IV, I thought were reading me as newbscum, why am I null now? o_O

Also like half of you think OWC is scum, could someone explain to me why that is? I'm aware of the probable 1on1off wagon thing that's happening, but why pick OWC from the off wagon list?

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Yeah I keep forgetting my 3 day windows.

After that back and forth between IV and TSO I'm starting to think they're both town, which brings me back to "who the hell is scum". I'll read the more recent pages to find something. Everyone is looking town and it's frustrating.

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I think everybody has disappeared for Christmas.

I haven't been able to come up with anything significant since my last post. I'm more convinced that IV is town though.

So

Unvote

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yeah i find the lynch rushing a little strange, but then again no lynch isn't very good too

i don't intend to hammer though, and the only person not voting is pisskop, who doesn't seem to have any intent on voting because he's never seen OWC as scum afaik. i think the same with geraintm

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Here's my thinking at teh moment
If geraintm and pisskop were scum, they could have hammered saying they wanted to avoid a no lynch, and that's perfectly fine. Seeing as they didn't choose to hammer, odds are they're likely town. That leaves me with IV, TSO, and Rach. I leave OWC out because I think he's town. I'm not sure of this thought process is correct, but if we want to lynch someone else it would have to be from that list of 3

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WELP FUCK WE LOST THE FUCKING DOCTOR THERE GOES OUR TOWN POWER ROLES

I'm ok with voting for Rach. She's been lurky.

As you for you geraintm, i cannot understand how you insist on voting for pisskop all this time. even now. it boggles me.

TSO, why just in case?

IV if you're reading this i'm sorry i thought you were scum <3

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Next page get.

I'd vote for Rach, should we wait for a claim first? Though we'd probably hear VT

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How funny would it be if it were ger/pisskop lol

Should we wait? We have time but she may use it to confuse us

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danggg good job guys

i will hate you two forever now

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i just realised TSO was the one who called pisskop's werewolf

wow just wow

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yeah, gg. thanks for the help on my first game too guys..

..BUT MAYBE IF YOU ALL DIDN'T LOOK SO TOWN IT'D BE BETTER

lol jk good game