Newbie 1454: Mafia Plain and Simple - Game Over

[geraintm]

Here.
Very quickly as on phone.
In uk, normally going to post longer in the evenings uk time. Maybe more at weekends. Wednesday worst day for me as I play magic that night.
I have had a ling long break from playing, replaced into one newbie game since coning back.

Oh, and 4...

[geraintm]

After what rach has said, I think I class as se. But I can be a terrible player, I am not great at hunting scum, especially the first day. I get better with more info though, honest.
But I will do my best to get everyone involved and point out when you are lurking. I am really not into the all the lingo and abbreviations that seem to be common around here now though.

[geraintm]

Vote: the new esrth.
I said 4 in my post, so I'll randomly vote for the 4th person to post after me.

Wonder if I'll get in trouble for that.

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Am on phone, I never get this bold thing right or remember to do it.
Didnt realise it was only 1 from lynch, I thought there had inly been 2 votes. But had to do thw vote, if yoy look at every other game I've played ive always done my random vote the same. You wouldn't want me to be inconsistent, right?

[geraintm]

Rach, clearly was a random vote from me.
I was on my phone, I thought I was just the third vote.

Anyways, ended I didn't actually vote

Anyways,

vote pisskop [\b]
Hope I have done that right, if I haven't then I'll sort it.
Hate jumping on me like that, no explanation or anything.

[geraintm]

vote pisskop

[geraintm]

Just seen post 24... ?!

[geraintm]

Tell me you've seen Thrift Shop...

My confusion would indicate otherwise...

[geraintm]

@cats - I was referring to post 23, when pisskop did nothing else but vote for me. It looked clearly like jumping on a bandwagon.

Nice to have a fair few Brits in the game, nice not to be the only one stuck the other side of the world.

[geraintm]

@cats I had a thought, but I'm not so sure now as it could just be a coincidence

You couldn't make yourself look more wispy washy you tried...

[geraintm]

Don't you find geraintm's attempt to vote me interesting?

Explained the vote was not interesting, merely me doing what I do in very game I play. The game anyways has moved well past random votes

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I'm not sure about geraintm - being on a phone doesn't really excuse not checking how many votes the person you vote for already has, but it's entirely possible to check and genuinely miss it. I don't particularly like the so-called 'random' way he picks his RVS vote (for one thing anyone who's seen him play before knows how to avoid getting that vote, so clearly it isn't actually random) but it

is

consistent between games for him so I don't think it's alignment indicative.

Will you all stop trying to reach so far with my random vote.
And who goes out of their way to avoid a random vote?.?

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As for my vote, call him a ping on my radar. This is a newbie thread but he isnt new, and his actions before and after get me a little.

Before he laid out several missives as to why he might not respond. Im on a phone now, afterall.
After my vote he immeddiately counter voted, and had a posting spike. He's made my d1 read list.

Those subsequent posts were 5 hours later than my post 21 which was whilst I was at work. I was at home when I was voting for you.
You are also using my actions after your post 23 (my posts 26/28) to explain your vote.
You are seriously reaching.
I am very, very happy right now with my vote.

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I missed it, I had been waiting what felt like an age for someone to be 4th after me (and I think mod was really the 4th). I saw the pair of votes but totally forgot there had already been one vote before I did the whole 4 thing. That is how it happened.
I sat there as I voted thinking oh, am putting on a third vote for someone on the first page, that's weird, but I've got to go with how I random vote but someone might think I am being scummy, but it will blow over soon enough, especially once I explain myself.

Anyways, of the rest of you dislike pisskop cause his terrible jumping on me and then terrible explanation of it.
I also really dislike anyone who says things like "scum will never do that"...

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Maybe just me, but tso's persona/play style is rubbing me up the wrong way. Nothing to do with his scumminess, but I am going to say now I am not a fan of the way you are so certain about everything. To warn you,if this is how you argue your point, it isn't going to work with me.

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Why on earth would I put someone so close to a lynch on page one on purpose? I have played this game enough to know that it would never lead to a lynch, why even bother?

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I dunno what else to say to you all. I know it was not scummy. People think otherwise. If you find other things I do scummy then whatever, but I will only be acting as a good townie from now on.

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No,I am not going to change my behaviour. The whole reason why some people think I am scummy is because I didn't change (I still did that random vote even though I thought it would push someone to 3 votes on the first page, everyone gets that right? Everyone has gone through every other game I have ever played here and seen me do the random vote in exactly the same way, right?).
I was merely trying to draw a line under the issue and say to everyone from this point forward, you'll be hard pressed to find me doing anything scummy as I am a good townie only doing good townie things. I can't seem to get it out of people's heads I did something scummy, but no one is going to lynch me for a random vote on page one but I left it so that if anyone finds for the rest of the game other scummy things, then they can use my page one random vote as part of their case.
It's just I am so confident that no townie will be able to build a case on me the rest of the game, I'm not bothered...

[geraintm]

Sebster, you are going to get yourself lynched real quick posting like that.

[geraintm]

Evening summary

Xayzeck: thanks for the I vote
Webster - I was deadly serious that you need to rapidly improve the quality of your posting.
If you are town, you are being a very unuseful member, you are not contributing and voting as you are is very,very bad.
If you are scum, then carry on as you will get lynched. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but if you continue like this then I will vote for you.

Dislike post90. I would never give anyone a pass like that day one...

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Rach, you are acting suspicious. You are the expericed player in this game, you haven't posted since Friday despite posting in numerous threads on Saturday and Sunday. I am calling you out as being a bad townie

[geraintm]

Unvote. Stupid predictive text

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Nearly a whole day with no one posting? Bad form people.
Webster, you need to post more. Your lack of activity is really hurting the game. Right now you look pretty scummy and we can't move past that till you contribute, one way or the other.

There are three people not voting at all. Any reason why? We are past random votes and none of you want to place any of them?

[geraintm]

I don't know what to think of you, geraintm.

Think warm, fuzzy thoughts...

[geraintm]

There are three people not voting at all. Any reason why? We are past random votes and none of you want to place any of them?

I'm not voting to avoid a mislynch. But my vote would still be on you.

Am genuinely surprised I ams till top of your hit list and that no one else has risen higher.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Geraintm

Well, the only thing Sebster has done so far is naked vote geraintm.

I don't think I'm comfortable voting him yet.

Him? Me or sebster?

[geraintm]

Seb's lack of avatar coupled with

his

its infrequent posting

Off-topic but still important - it is totally not OK to refer to someone as 'it' unless that someone tells you to.

Does POI mean point of interest and if so why is the lurkiness and lack of avatar one?

1) I feel geraintm's harping on his constraints, specificly his quality, was forced and suspect. Take my own (#92) for whatever you want, Sunday is a day of rest.

2) POI is point of interest. I dont think Seb is scum, just yet. But he is on my watchlist. I think he may just be lazy, busy, or unsure of the forum. No avatar, no profile, no sig, no frequent posting.

3) Im hurt you think Im scummy.

4) Id disagree about defaulting into gender (sex) neutrality, but fair enough for here.

Pisskop - you have not properly answered my post 56 where I accuse you of using my posts after you vote to explain why you voted, and you are doing the exact same again now accusing me of harping on about things well after your vote as the reason you voted.
I can understand people voting for sebster right now, but you to me are by far the scummier player

[geraintm]

it's like I'm getting these conflicting thoughts from you and god they're making me feel paranoid

like I have this horrible feeling you're actually good enough to trick me and I hate that

Unsure why I am confusing you.
I am playing exactly the same as I always do. If you check my last game I replaced into, I got a player stuck in my head as scum and latched onto it. Am doing the same now, I believe that pisskop is scum so I am going to keep pressuring him till everyone else agrees with me. Ignore the fact I was wrong in my last game

Sorry all for lots of smal posts, I find it easier to break it down like that whilst on an iPad rather than dragging all the quotes into one post.

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Sebster,I don't think is scum, there just isn't enough to say yes. I am more getting the new player, didn't know what to expect from the game and is going to get replaced soon vibe. If he doesn't improve though, I cannot blame anyone for voting for him though.

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You aRe right, there was no direct question, but it was very much implied that I thought you should explain your vote on me without resorting to using posts after the vote. I find it very, very scummy someone who cannot explain themselves without doing so. I was using the word answer to suggest you should respond to what I had written, rather than say here is a question, answer it.
I have zero idea what this one minute normalised time thing you mean is.

[geraintm]

@pisskop

 

I disagree with pretty much everything you say.

How am I being overdefensive when I was pushed to l-1 myself? Being town and not wanting to get voted off, don’t you want me to defend myself. I have not been harping on about it, I have been responding to the continual voting for me throughout the whole game.

 

As I am town, attempting to clear myself is helping the town.

 

And I disagree with you saying I am doing nothing but trying to clear my name. I am telling some people they need to post more or they will get voted off. I have voiced my opinion that whilst some people think others are scum, I disagree with them and think that person is just being a very inexperienced newbie.

I am trying to get someone to answer my questions about why they voted for me without using things that happened after their vote as their explanation. It is just bonkers to me that you are accusing me of being defensive when I am being voted for by yourself as a reason for you voting for me. It just makes zero sense. None. None at all.

You are massively misrepresenting my actions in this game

 

@ Xayzeck – well, you have me down as scummy for pushing someone to L-1. I claim I did this by accident. You ask who else might be more scummy. Well, by your own rules I would suggest Sebster who also pushed someone to L-1 but with zero explanation and general lurking might be a much better candidate than me.

I also think Pisskop is scum, so I think he should be higher up your list than me too.

[geraintm]

Can we prod those who have not posted for 3 days please?

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@geraintm

I am trying to get someone to answer my questions about why they voted for me without using things that happened after their vote as their explanation. It is just bonkers to me that you are accusing me of being defensive when I am being voted for by yourself as a reason for you voting for me. It just makes zero sense. None. None at all.

do you want to hear that I consider myself and my vote ending the RVS? I do. I think it was the first deliberate vote.
But your quote here suggests that you accuse my vote of being random. Like part of a random stage of voting? You arent making much logical sense.

I never asked you myself: why am I scum?

No, I have not said your vote was random. It clearly was deliberate. I just don't understand why it was non random. I still don't.
Why are you scum? Hopped on wagon with no reasoning, since then your reasoning has been bad and have been misreprenting me all the time. When I point out you have, you do not respond to these challenges. You are scummy, picking arguments and then ignoring them when I challenge you. You are arguing similar to a Creationist would.

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Why mention it again? Because I wanted to point out the distinction between me and seb. I have explained my vote, he hasn't at all yet despite this you had me more scummy. It as if you advocate lurking because lurkers are lower on your radar, which isn't what anyone should be suggesting.

Got nothing on the. Got nothing on rach either. Too many people I have no thoughts on, either through lurking or just not enough substance.

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Yeah, pisskop finally says why he voted me. To prod me. I responded to his prod by saying I am town and not scum. He has since said that my repeated defence of myself is what is scummy, but unsure what to do. Do I ignore pisskop accusing me of scum, because it seems the only way I can satisfy him that I am not scum is by not defending myself. Damned if I do or damned if I don't.

Pisskop says that I wrote several posts about the poor quality of my posts.
In post 11, I say that I can be a terrible player, especially the first day.
This is the only post I make about the quality of my posting.
I strongly suggest that here again pisskop is trying to move the argument onto a new topic to attack me.
And I strongly suggest pisskop is misrepresenting me.

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You say I repeatedly wrote about my poor postings. I can find one mention of where I did this. Saying I did it several times, and then using this as one of the reasons you voted for me, is to me, bad.

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Post 21 is about the way I post, it has nothing to do with the quality of my posts. It is irrelevant to the quality of my posts. But congratulations, you have found 2 posts. In future, I will always vote for someone who gets the bold thing wrong, it is a sure sign of scumminess.
I am defending myself, I do say you keep misrepresenting me (in one post you said I did nothing but defend myself and I replied with other examples of things I have done, but you didn't reply to my defence of that. This is why I accuse you of arguing like a creationist, where once they lose a fight or find it awkward to keep arguing, they move onto something else.

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Political rhetoric? You mean I say you are arguing in the same style as people who can't argue?
Ah, worst day of the week thing. I draft magic on Wednesdays. Do every week, normally take me 2 hours to drive there, 2 hours back and 3 hours playing. However, I am going to a football match tomorrow ( Swansea vs Valencia) so I am not drafting tonight. That a good enough explanation for you?

We are not getting anywhere. Others need to join in this game. Players are not allowed to lurk whilst just 2 people bash heads.others need to post, because this is allowing at least one scum to bypass the game, possibly 2 if we are both wrong.

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Scum can often let two townies bash heads. I guess it is fun for them to wTch. Go see my last game for an example. It is statistically likely that is what we are doing here. I have a 4/6 chance of trying to lynch a townie.

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I dont. Am idiot. I forgot there are 9 people in the game. Newbie games used to only be 7 people.
Repeat, I'm an idiot. ..

[geraintm]

Nothing to add. 2 players need replacing, American holidays seem to have killed the flow of the game.

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Hello Najc. Bit of background? I assume you are fairly experienced having been a member for 18 months or so

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@njac - interesting you voted rach. I just am unable to get a read on her, she just isn't present enough.

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Not going to vote someone just to get them to talk more, but considering they are experienced pretty bad example to set

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The new earth needs a prod too. One word in a week here whilst posting in tons of other games. Town sucks this game

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Not going to vote someone just to get them to talk more, but considering they are experienced pretty bad example to set

Then vote her because she's scum, unless you think she's town, do you? Also do you still think pisskop is scum?

Don't think she is scum, I just think she is bad townie. At the moment,
I see no reason to move my vote.

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Geraintm, voting someone to get them to talk is a thing, and in some cases a good way to get them to talk, just as long as you don't set them up for an easy hammer. My vote's staying on the Sebster/IV slot for that reason.

I know it is a thing, just not so much my thing.
I don't think I would blame anyone for voting for lurkers right now, I just wouldn't want to lynch any of them right now, don't think it would be a good move for town

[geraintm]

Are we waiting on IV and AN Other now then? Day 1 has been a right off. ..

[geraintm]

Thanks for the Unvote IV
If it is any help to people, my name is Geraint, m is the first letter of my surname. It is welsh and you pronounce it Ghere- rint. First part rhymes with there, second with pint.

Q: of those who have been not posting, who stands out looking worst. Not so much those who have been replaced out, but is there anyone whose low post numbers looks even worse on a read through, just lazy ones that contribute nothing. Like rach, if she didn't have this rep of just not posting, I would be lynching here right now as no way an experienced player would post this little. cats, is there anything of substance to any of their posts, do they look at all like they are trying to find scum?..

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No, rach, you aren't the only one. But I think I looked and saw you posting in other games and not here and others were saying you had a rep for not posting a whole lot. There is a whole lot of frustration involved, this is my 1.5 game back after a long break, the only one I am playing in and nothing is happening. To the detriment of town.

Agree now getting to the stage where not having any vote is starting to look a little convenient.

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I'm not voting because at this point I have no scumreads.

geraintm and pisskop, do you still think each other scum? And do you plan to move your votes or leave them on each other?

What does every think about BB's entrance with "Hi I'm town". I haven't played enough games to know how to react to it. If he were newbtown and wanted to remove the suspicion TNE made for him then that'd make a little sense, but he's not a newbie.

At this point though IV and NJAC seem scummy, but that's just a gut feeling. I don't have anything to back it up yet.

Also thank you Mod for handling the replacements and what not.

You have now scum reads, except IV and njac?

I see no reason to move my vote at the moment.
Bob saying I'm town, what else did you expect him to say? Was just a friendly hi post.

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Rach's posts 193 and 203 just feel horrible to me. Like, "here I am, I am posting, but I am not going to contribute anything"
I want her to be contributing so much more...

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@bb - page one lunches, really? Glad I've not been in any games with those.
Like that you have a similar read on the helpfulness of rach to me. Glad I am not the only one who they are irking.
How come you didn't place a vote, you seem sure on njac

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Post 208 from cat. Another wispy washy post (I think I prefers that to wishy
You just seem to ask everyone what they think, you don't actually contribute anything yourself except some mild defending of your old votes. If a wagon started in this game, I can see you jumping on it real easy, the sort who goes "oh, player x makes a good point, I'll join in"

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Overall thoughts

Cats - dislike posting style, adding nothing, just getting others to put in their opinion. You cannot get caught out as a scum if all you do is ask questions. This is a posting style I don't like froma townie.

Njac - not enough to go on.

Pisskop - might have ended in a town vs town argument, but because one of the few people early in the game who actually formed an opinion on someone made me think they were behaving in a scummy manner. The points I brought up when we were arguing still stand. Been noticeably quiet lately...

Rach - adding nothing to the town

IV - not enough to go on

Tso - another person whose posts I dislike. I think his longest post is 4 sentences, most are 2. Promised a reread, it better be good and more than just a summary of what he thinks of each player. I want him to actually start voting.

Bb - has put more effort thought into the game in 5 posts than most of the others. Even if they are scum, I'd rather be In a game with them than a lot of people

Xay - a great newbie. Asking good questions and clearly wants to get better. Come across as townish to me simply because they are acting more like a townie would compared to others.

[geraintm]

I generally post short posts.

I don't really believe in readlists, as I feel I get manipulated by giving them often, but I'll give one here.

No, I specifically said I hope you don't just read and give a summary of everyone.

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Could someone explain the above discussion between BB and TSO because I don't understand how they arrived at that vote.

Bb found post 171 really odd and thought njac was voting for rach because both are scum. Bussing is this weird, probably counter productive tactic where scum lynch their partner so to not look scum. Here though I think bb just thinks njac was voting rach to distance the pair of them but would Unvote soon
Tso comes in, wants to be convinced by bb about why he should also vote for njac.
He then in spots what bb said, agrees very quickly with bb and also votes for njac.

I think bb is genuine in his thoughts. Tso meh...

Ignore the day cop

[geraintm]

Njac you need to claim then. I wouldn't vote for you right now though

[geraintm]

Though not sure what use a claim will be

[geraintm]

Could someone explain the above discussion between BB and TSO because I don't understand how they arrived at that vote.

Bb found post 171 really odd and thought njac was voting for rach because both are scum. Bussing is this weird, probably counter productive tactic where scum lynch their partner so to not look scum. Here though I think bb just thinks njac was voting rach to distance the pair of them but would Unvote soon
Tso comes in, wants to be convinced by bb about why he should also vote for njac.
He then in spots what bb said, agrees very quickly with bb and also votes for njac.

I think bb is genuine in his thoughts. Tso meh...

Ignore the day cop

You're softaccusing me, and I fucking hate soft accusations. Town have no reason to be vague.

If you have a problem with my thought process, you should say it.

Couldn't have been that vague if you got it...
What can I say,I wasn't a huge fan of the way you joined in on njac. There isn't anything obviously wrong and if he comes up scum then full marks to you, but if he ends up town then I am less pleased with how your vote came about than others.

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If scum were obviously scummy, this game would be easy. Somehow they decide to cheat and be sneaky.

Look, I am not voting for you, just tomorrow it was so something I wanted noted now so my opinions on you tomorrow wouldn't have come out of nowhere

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Am still here, that's nice...
If he had claimed, I wouldn't have voted for him.




Wait, I wasn't anyway.

[geraintm]

Oh, forgot to

vote pisskop

Didn't like him yesterday, still don't like him

[geraintm]

Yep, the only thing to add is that pisskop was the hammer.. His explanation of his vote doesn't look great. Soif I thought he was scum before and he ended up being the final vote on a townie, you think I am going to think he is less scummy?

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If anyone has anything better than go run with it. But I thought he was scum pretty much all of day one and seen nothing since my last post day one to go against that. Call it tunnel vision if you like.

I am not sure what to make of your newb scum comment rach

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Pretty certain about that Tso...
Am curious your reasoning as you explicitly exclude the person I think is one of them.

Am I included because of my vague dislike of your vote last time?

[geraintm]

I have no idea what wolves/township refers to.
Agree xayzeck looks very town.
My opinion on cats and IV haven't changed much since yesterday. IV not posted yet today.

My thought is the lynch of njac was poor and likely two scum voting for him. But focussing on finding first scum, won't worry on second right now

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Oh, Geraint is,y name so that's good. M is initial of surname

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Pisskop - the one thing you cannot say is that I have blindly voted for you.
You did this yesterday and I called it scummy then and it is scummy now. You have misrepresented everything you say about what I have said.

And I believe you have been told roles are random, stop assuming there must be one experienced player.

[geraintm]

Going to stop right now talking with you. The day bogs down with just us talking. Others need to talk too otherwise we will end up like yesterday

[geraintm]

Not bigger. But yesterday everyone agreed us battering heads helped no one. I am suggesting others need to talk

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Post 330 - disappointed that you haven't actually tried to change your style of posting in response to this (or the other 27 mentions) and instead make a joke.
With so little info for mafia to go on, I cannot guess if they had any plan on who they would kill or why. Trying to guess I think is a dead end that will get nowhere.

I am afraid like others I think there were two scum on the wagon, I think he just wasn't scummy enoug to justify lynching and so 2 mafia needed to be in on it. I am voting for one of them, I am backing up that thinking.

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Post 332 - no idea

IV-I can see her as scum. If she was a townie and continued on her unhelpful tack despite repeatedly been asked not to, that doesn't seem very townie

vote pisskop

Didn't realise it was meant to be start of a line.
I thought he was scum yesterday, I voted for him yesterday, he hammered, I have no reason to stop thinking he is scum.

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@geraintm

Didn't realise it was meant to be start of a line.

Meh? Like the vote has to be on the begining of the line?
me?

No, it is in the rules mod posted, got to be start of a line. Seems overkill but them the rules

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I agree with Xay, and geraintm, that IV could be scum.


geraintm is now attacking me, using every opportunity to point out that he thought I was before. Bleat, Goathorn, bleat. Your reasons for not liking me seem to be me voting you and you voting me yesterday.

OWC.

First, you are misinterpreting what I have written, again
This time I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

My post 332 where I go IV- I can see her as scum was meant to be a message directed at IV saying I can see Rach as scum.


The reason I use every opportunity to point out I voted for you yesterday is that you claim like in post 314 that I blindly voted for you. I clearly did not. As one of the things I really, really dislike about you is the way you misrepresent nearly everything I say, I want to keep pointing out to everyone else the times you do.

[geraintm]

i see nobody as scum and it's so frustrating why are you so good at this it's a newbie game come on give me a chance T-T

God I hate AtE I can't read newbies for shit these days

AtE? What is that?

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Saturday night, people are watching X factor final. I am not.

Cats - I cannot form an opinion here at all.
I didn't get a read on them at all yesterday, and today apart from thinking both scum were on the wagon then I cannot really see any opinions on anyone. If he is scum, then they are going to lurk their way through the game.

Villager - runs on a different level to. Me. Much too experienced, just posts and I think everyone is expected to get his thinking. I don't.

Pisskop - opinion already stated

Rach - has posted nothing today.nothing. A tiny bit on working out the night kill. But nothing. Like cats, if they are allowed to lurk their way through a game like this as scum, then disappointing.

Tso - a few comments about not assuming experienced players will be scum, but nothing on opinions on the scumminess of players since Sunday.


Xay - if they are scum, then I bow down to a much, much better player than me. I will not vote for them for the rest of the game, bar something weird happening

[geraintm]

No time righr now to post explanation *gran's 90th birthday). But seriously disagree eith rach thinking

[geraintm]

Ok, Rach's thinking

She assumes 1-1 scum split
Me, xay and cats, giving a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum

But, if she assumes she is town, she would hit a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum too.

She also ignores that scum might have votes both on the wagon ( I think everyone in the village doesn't think that no scum were on the wagon). She would get better than the 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum if she bet on either 1 or 2 scum were on the wagon and bet that way.
She would get at worst odds of 1 in 3 betting between villager, Tso and pisskop, and potentially 2/3 chance.

I cannot see an experienced player getting these sums/odds so spectacularly wrong.

Can anyone else?

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Villager - runs on a different level to. Me. Much too experienced, just posts and I think everyone is expected to get his thinking. I don't.

Can you quote which parts you don't understand?]

Lol people stopped posting come back

Someone push a case on me or something idk

Ok,look at those last 2 sentences. The first one you laugh, but it needs some punctuation in there for it to actually make sense. It just reads like a stream on consciousness, no editing. All your sentences are like that, everyone is feel like I have to go through and be your editor to understand them. With effort I can, but it can be hard going when you have 10 like that in a row, and any I can't parse then I am in trouble.

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Someone please explain to me why Xay is SPECIFICALLY newbtown and not newbmaf. Maybe you can help me understand. This is bothering me a bit.

As I have been in the game from the start with xay, their actions, questions, behaviour just feel new, excited town. I have said, if they are scum they are a much, much better player than me.

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No, but the questions they have asked, I liked their hesitancy with voting. As I said I could be wrong, but if so been well outplayed.

I sort of edit, I will go back and try and make it makes sense. Stupid ipad predictive text though sometimes.
ps: not that new

Re rach: my argument is that if it is one one split, then from her perspective there are three people who were off the wagon she could vote for. But also there are three people on the wagon she could vote for.
She just so happened to pick the one where there was no upside, (as I think everyone discounts the possibility of both scum being off the wagon) which to me is fairly scummy.
Does my working through her logic make sense? Am I being confusing?

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Carrying on, to make myself clearer.

As I think it is likely there were 2 scum on the wagon (because it was a lousy lynch), I think someone 'accidentally' looking off the wagon for scum is just poor, but the sort of thing mafia would do. They have logic, they have reasoning, just it makes more sense as mafia being scummy than townie (and an experienced one at that)

[geraintm]

Upside, one pile could have 2 people in it, not just one

She argues

Off wagon - xay, me, cats
1 is scum, so odds of picking is 1/3

On wagon

Villager, Tso, villager
1 is scum, so odds of picking is 1/3

I would argue there is a greater than zero chance that the on wagon contains 2 scum ( I suspect there were 2, but I hope you would agree it is somewhere between 1 and 2)

I find it very, very suspicious that someone as experienced as rach to pick the pile where there was no upside, no chance of the odds of her picking froma pile containing 2 scum from 3

[geraintm]

Pisskop, I am town. Serving my interests is serving town interests.

I wasn't trying to be aggressive, I was trying to explain myself and failing so having to try and word it clearer each time.

Why is my post 354 so full of vague opinions - because everyone in this game has given so little for me to go on. Seriously, so little opinion from anyone for anyone to make any reads. Why the whole town is wandering slowly through the game, so many lurking and giving so little off. You cannot single me out for being vague, everyone is. Rach for example is voting because she thinks one person must be scum and she has "fairly town reads" on two of them.
If you are having a go at me for being a cop out, at least point the finger elsewhere where it is more deserving.

Nightkill is a dead end...

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I would hate to see what rach flaking looks like ?

@ Tso - I have not unvoted pisskop.
If you look all the way through today, I have said I believe there are two scum who were on the wagon.
What would have liked me to do when I saw the way rach was posting/voting, not mention it because I already thought someone else was scum?

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Post 390 - one of us sucks at magic, as the people whose behaviour I think is worst, you don't think is scum. Or you are scum, that could be it...

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Xay is scum? I have gone on record numerous times saying the exact opposite. I am voting pisskop, and have spent much of the last few pages being very critical/suspicious of Rach's explanation of her vote.
I thought my suspicions were incredible easy to read. Are they not?

[geraintm]

When you said our scumblocs and townblocs were opposite, I presumed you meant everything.

Apart from the hammer, why do you think pisskop? Articulate 3 bullet points.

Site was down and was Wednesday.

Think it unfair you want me to go into details when your 306 contains nothing.

[geraintm]

I like how you all think I am town because of how badly I am arguing btw

[geraintm]

Quick reply to 403.

Rach is second on my list.
Xay is last.

Off to see Father Christmas today, will be back in about 12 hours

[geraintm]

Catching up now as best I can.

Post 416, the first 4 paragraphs I pretty much totally agree with.

The last few days feel like some weird huge arguments between people over tiny tiny differences. But as the people in loved are not the people I am focussing on, I can't get too involved in it, I just can't care.

Sadly, I cannot see anyone other than cats getting lynched today. No other cases are being made on anyone else that are going to swing 4 votes, so I can just see cats getting lynched either with scum jumping on or townies submitting to scum already on pressuring people into a "we have to lynch someone" sorta situation.
I have no appetitie for lynching cats though...

[geraintm]

To warn people, will have poor access due to Xmas. No idea how much I'll be able to post

[geraintm]

Christmas, guys!

It's Battlefield 4 all day I'm afraid.

In laws coming are they?

[geraintm]

In these desperate times, I might join cats in their vote

[geraintm]

Yeah, a push for a claim was going to do no good.
I repeat, I will not vote for cats

[geraintm]

Urgh, i hate self hammers. This is a newbie game, someone needs to explain to the new players why they think it is a good idea. I certainly don't.

[geraintm]

I intend to vote for pisskop or rach unless someone can convince me othereise. I don't intend to make this last long, gives time for scum to confuse things

[geraintm]

Ywah, maybe. But so far this game all tge hunting by others has got us nowhere. You got a better idea?

[geraintm]

Ywah, maybe. But so far this game all tge hunting by others has got us nowhere. You got a better idea?

[geraintm]

Rational discussion with someone I have butted heads with since day one? Likely?

[geraintm]

Pisskop, explain yourself. See post 437.
I am convinced you are scum, and come the last day I will snap vote for you.
Today, I don't think I can persuade enough others to vote for you but rach is going to get lynched.
Unless anyone objects, I plan to vote for rach in my next post. They will need to be very good objections.

[geraintm]

Pisskop, you included me as scum because you are incapable of stopping counting at 2?
I am sure you are scum
I think I should just vote you. I am going to vote you either today or tomorrow and if I am wrong then we lose either day. I might as well just vote for you now.

[geraintm]

Yeah, pretty much

[geraintm]

You know there are no more power roles.left in the game, right?

[geraintm]

It doesn't. The two votes on could both be scum.

[geraintm]

True. Does anyone object if I am the hammer then? We could wait for rach, but, you know....

[geraintm]

vote rach

no one objected. Honestly see no point in waiting for rach.

[geraintm]

Bah. Will post more later.

[geraintm]

A glad I spotted pisskop was so scummy so early (give me a bit more confidence in future games), but I couldn't convince anyone else. Was a bad town, and I'd echo some of the comments about some of the players.
Felt it came down the last day that 2 out of the three of pisskop, Tso and rach were scum and I wasn't able to push it into a final day because I picked rach over Tso.
I think if town had gone to the last day we might have got it right.

Realise this is me trying to make things not look so bad considering scum had a perfect game.

The self hammer? I am against it. I cannot see a reason a town would vote to remove a town from the game. Just, odd to me. Maybe in some much more complicated scenarios, but not a newbie game. Doesn't send out the right message/tutorial to new players.

Did the new players learn from the game? Enjoy the game?