Newbie 1543: Nightmare Mafia (Scum Win)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper, you were town-reading Wgeurts for most of D1 correct?

I had Wgeurts as scum from my very first post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Only because Jagged was acting scummy as hell, nothing to do with Wgeurts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm trying to do VCA but can't get the colour's right from the Mod's VC's.

Not sure why. Never had this problem before.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I just change the colours of people I know the alignment of and look for the voting pattern.

I can't get WG name to change to Green from the first time Wgeurts gets put to L-1 though. Can you try and tell me how to do it if you figure it out?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow.

Serra must have actually tried to kill me.

VOTE: Serra

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Spoiler: VCA

Vote Count 1.07

WaffleGhost

: (1) Originalchris
Breshke: (1) serrapaladin

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-1)

wgeurts

: (4) Breshke,

copper223

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

WaffleGhost

,

wgeurts

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Now, note that Wgeurts is at L-1. Look where his next vote goes. Trying to start a counter-wagon with his buddy?

Vote Count 1.08

WaffleGhost

: (1) Originalchris
Breshke: (2) serrapaladin,

wgeurts

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-1)

wgeurts

: (4) Breshke,

copper223

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

WaffleGhost

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.10

Breshke: (1) serrapaladin
serrapaladin: (1)

WaffleGhost

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-2)

WaffleGhost

: (3) Originalchris,

copper223

,

wgeurts

(L-2)

wgeurts

: (3) Breshke,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.17

Jagged Appliance: (1) serrapaladin
(L-1)

Thor665

: (4)

copper223

,

wgeurts

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Originalchris

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

WaffleGhost

: (1) Brian Skies

Not Voting: Jagged Appliance,

WaffleGhost

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Hmm, I wonder who the scum is on the Jagged wagon below...

Vote Count 1.18

WaffleGhost

: (2) Brian Skies, Jagged Appliance
(L-2)

BlueBloodedToffee

: (3)

Thor665

, Originalchris,

wgeurts

(L-1) Jagged Appliance: (4) serrapaladin,

copper223

,

WaffleGhost

,

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

One scum on each wagon. Nicely done.

Vote Count 1.20

(L-1)

WaffleGhost

: (4) Brian Skies, Jagged Appliance,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

wgeurts

(L-2) Jagged Appliance: (3) serrapaladin,

WaffleGhost

, Originalchris

BlueBloodedToffee

: (2)

Thor665

,

copper223

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Jagged Appliance: (1) serrapaladin
(L-2)

BlueBloodedToffee/color]: (3)

Thor665

,

copper223

,

WaffleGhost

(LYNCH!)

WaffleGhost/color]: (5) Brian Skies, Jagged Appliance,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

wgeurts

, Originalchris

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Through Wgeurts and Serra's ISOs you will notice a distinct lack of interaction between the two of them.

Then we have serra, who looks town in my eyes, he being accused by copper. Copper honestly I think you've got a wrong lead here.

Soft-defence of his buddy. He is town-reading Serra despite them barely interacting with each other.

Town: Thor, Brian
Mild-Town: Chris
Mild-Scum: Waffle, Copper, Breshke
Scum: BBT

Oh no, wait. In this reads-list, he

completely forgets that Serra even exists.

This is because he is ignoring Serra as he doesn't need to try and get him lynched. Scum-slip 101.

Reads so far after analysis.
Town: Chris, Serra, Copper, Wgeurts
Mild Town: Brian
Possible Scum: Thor, WaffleGhost
Likely Scum: BBT, Breshke

Oh, Serra is back to being super-town again.

Town

Brian
Copper
OC
Serra
BBT
Jagged

Scum

Now that Wgeurts is under pressure, his buddy suddenly slips into the 'comfy' zone. Not too high on his town-list that a connection can be made, but not too low that he would have to start pressing a case on him for being scum.

Wgeurts went after myself and Jagged. Hard. I think it should be obvious that we're both town.

Wgeurts was also super happy to lynch OC when I first used the reaction test. He wanted Copper to come along for the ride though.

Copper is confirmed town.

That leaves Brian and Serra. Wgeurts pushed Brian a few times, but he never, ever went after Serra. He barely spoke to/about him at all.

Lynch Serra today.

If we're somehow wrong, lynch Brian tomorrow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You going to refute my points or just claim you're not scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Brian, it looks like you didn't read my VCA or case on Serra.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you have an issue with anything in particular about Serra's scumread on the Breshke/Jagged slot? Do you have any particular reason to think the Breshke/Jagged slot is town aside from Serra scumreading him?

Jagged come out from lurking to state intent to hammer on Wgeurts.

Seriously, you still think it's Jagged? Why would he come out from lurking and state intent to hammer on his buddy when he could just continue to lurk and hope it goes away?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree that some of wg's recent posts have been terrible, but I don't see how they tilt the scale from VI to newbscum. I don't agree with BBT's interpretations in 991.

BBT has been all over the place today, but I'm actually leaning town on him. I want to say it's Jagged/Brian, which would be also supported by the flow of votes yesterday and brian's continuous soft-bussing of that slot without ever voting there.

This insistent town-read on Wgeurts despite his seriously scummy play at start of D2 is what makes it clear you're his partner.

@Copper, I believe we could confirm BBT's role 99% if we kill OC. However I'm not willing to just wagon OC, will you also analyse OC with me?
We need to be fully sure of ourselves.

oh dear

Then there is this.

If this post was so bad, why did you do absolutely nothing to follow it up? No questioning, no pointing out specifically what was bad about it; you just acknowledged it and tried to move on.

@Brian

, if it makes you feel better we can lynch Jagged tomorrow then you the day after if you like. It really doesn't matter because Serra is scum.

Read what I wrote on Wgeurts and who he tried to lynch and you'll see why.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Serra?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sweet, Copper can hammer and we win.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Good defence.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Self-hammer?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ah, I see.

All your hopes are on Copper.

Who do you think is scum Serra?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't do meta.

Who is scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sigh.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So you have Brian as the other scum Serra?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Count 1.07

WaffleGhost

: (1) Originalchris
Breshke: (1) serrapaladin

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-1)

wgeurts

: (4) Breshke,

copper223

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

WaffleGhost

,

wgeurts

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

What do you think about this VC?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have no intention of hiding that I set this all up overnight.

Serra's late day actions yesterDay looked like he was Wgeurts buddy. So, I did some work during the night-phase.

Something wrong with that?

Serra, you had me as town all game and now you change when you see the towniest player in the game coming after me?

Seriously?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Honestly I should of listened to my partner to play low however he's doing amazingly.

Look at this quote from Wgeurts. He knows Serra was under pressure so he puts it out there that his partner is doing 'amazingly'.

If his partner really was doing well, would Wguerts point that out to try and take suspicion off Serra? No, no he wouldn't. He would leave Serra to be set up as a mislynch. It's Wgeurts trying to misdirect.

I know this seems too simple to be true and some people want to overthink things, but seriously, there is nobody else it can be.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's your case for Jagged scum?

A planned cross-bus?

Wow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Count 1.08

WaffleGhost

: (1) Originalchris
Breshke: (2) serrapaladin,

wgeurts

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-1)

wgeurts

: (4) Breshke,

copper223

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

WaffleGhost

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

So, what you're saying is this;

Wgeurts was in trouble here. And instead of trying to start a counter-wagon on either myself or WG, he decides to bus his partner.

That's what you're saying, correct?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You missed this.

Vote Count 1.07

WaffleGhost

: (1) Originalchris
Breshke: (1) serrapaladin

BlueBloodedToffee

: (1)

Thor665

(L-1)

wgeurts

: (4) Breshke,

copper223

,

BlueBloodedToffee

, Brian Skies

Not Voting:

WaffleGhost

,

wgeurts

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

What do you think about this VC?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why no PEdit...ffs

Yeah it is. If Brian was scum, why would he bus Wgeurts there?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would Wgeurts try to set up a counter-wagon on his buddy? It makes no sense.

Brian had no reason to bus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No it isn't.

He had 3 wagons to choose from...he had no reason to decide to bus his buddy. He picked an easy target that a wagon could build up on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Count 2.02

(L-2)

Jagged Appliance: (2) BlueBloodedToffee, wgeurts

(L-1)

wgeurts: (3) copper223, Originalchris, Jagged Appliance

Not Voting: Brian Skies, serrapaladin

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-28 04:20:00)

Mod Notes:
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And again, you think he tries to start a counter-wagon on his buddy D2 as well?

So they just decided to put each other in real danger all game.

Jagged states intent to hammer with Wgeurts at L-1 on D2 after lurking.

Wgeurts tries to start 2 counter-wagons on his buddy when he is in danger of being lynched.

No, that's a ridiculous possibility.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper,

Who is Wgeurts buddy?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I want Jagged to hammer.

Why is Jagged scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just want to know who you think is scum and I'll show you why you're wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Serra, I guarantee I'm tunneling you all day long.

My vote is going nowhere. I promise.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to make cases for why Brian and OC are town.

I've made a pretty good case for why Serra is scum, which is what matters.

Look at the point I just made to Serra about Brian putting Wgeurts to L-1. He had no reason to do that.

Look at how easily Wgeurts was persuaded into lynching OC at start of D2. That tells you he is not his buddy either.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Maybe he didn't want to be on the same wagon as his buddy? He tried very hard to keep himself out of the spotlight on D1 with his tunnel on Jagged.

Did he end up being on the WG wagon? No, because his buddy was on it. Town-reading the people who were getting wagoned gets him town-cred after the flip.

I'm not sure what point 2 is about.

PR kill is the most optimal kill. Always. No matter what. Confirmed townies cannot be kept in the game if you're scum. Narrows the lynching pool.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, there goes my Thor-Jag theory. BBT, I await your chris case, I'm suspicious of you, jag and WG. Though I now need to look at Brian and OC.

Just saw this, thought I would post it.

Wgeurts has like a super, mega town-read on Serra that he doesn't even consider the possibility he might be scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Newbscum also doesn't tend to uber-townread their buddy.

You know what, for once, I agree.

Remember when Wgeurts was under pressure and he posted this reads-list?

Town

Brian

Copper
OC

Serra

BBT
Jagged

Scum

Look where Brian is.

Look where you are.

You were uber, super-duper, mega town to Wgeurts all game, even to the point where he completely forgot you existed at times.

Now you're nearly scum when his lynch is inevitable.

What do you think about that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mmm, my partner is totally serra.
Or mabye OC hehe.

This post is so awkward.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Town

Copper
Serra
Chris
Brian
Bresh/JA
Thor
WG
Wgeurts

Scum

Jag is conveniently placed in a location showing BBT isn't very suspicious and is unlikely to push Jag but he isn't high enough to raise questions.

This shows that Wguerts thinks that position in a reads-list is a good position to place your partner.

Exactly where he placed Serra.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not on you they weren't.

You were town ALL GAME.

Now you're not. This is the only time you're not a super-town-read for Wgeurts.

I wonder why that is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper, end this game please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for proving my point?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your change in activity levels this DP is also a clear indicator that you're scum.

You couldn't risk being this active with Wgeurts alive because you would have had to interact with him a lot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I have made my point with Wgeurts reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper, I feel all the points I am making are falling on deaf ears.

Please read my ISO.

If you can provide more evidence on anybody with more links to Wguerts than Serra, I will gladly listen.

Pedit - I will not vote anybody but Serra. For the rest of this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have to admire your fight, Serra.

Well played.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I'll tunnel Chris tomorrow if Serra flips town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Please self-hammer Serra.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't mind who does it.

So long as you get lynched.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am town.

I always feel good when scum get lynched though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Just waiting for Copper to drop the hammer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks Copper!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Troll.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Indeed.

You've been hammered.

Scum has been found.

Town win the game!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really did admire your fight Serra.

I thought for a split second you were gonna wiggle your way out of it.

Great effort.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Serra
Just give your twilight about why Brian > OC

This.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're an idiot.

That actually makes me think you could be town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Town would do everything right now to steer the rest of town in the right direction.

You would have plenty of time to make the post.

You just know it's pointless because you're scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Then you should be helping town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You've already wasted 15 mins.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Chris is more likely than Brian IMO.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm fucking fuming.

A lurk sack like that should not be allowed to win the game for scum. This is not a dig at town or anyone in particular either, just absolutely infuriating that this has happened.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to go after lurkers hard from here on out.

That's embarrassing and even if I was left alive I would never have considered Jagged as scum on final day due to his intent to hammer on Wgeurts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That was my bad regarding Serra. I felt like 99% sure that Serra was scum, I thought I saw so many connections.

I mean, Wgeurts literally left Serra out of his reads completely 2 or 3 times. This is usually a scum-tell because they don't pay attention to their buddies.

That is seriously my bad. Apologies.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for Modding Beli! Great job and enjoyed the flavour.