Newbie 1591 (Day 3)

[saad]

let's find them mafias guys!

[saad]

Since we can vote, here is my RVS vote:

VOTE: Saad
Asking us to find mafia 'guys' ignores that some players may be female, implies he is from a male/male group, must therefore be scum.

guys is generic term these days.

[saad]

how the hell am i a good lynch, this is like my 3rd post.

I do like being a beaver! They're so cute. Saad is suspicious because he hasn't been very active, and is probably trying to lay low, make it through the first day and meet up with his mafia buddies in the night. He might even be the roleblocker, seeing if he can get any idea about someone's abilities to stop them.

you said this on page two, the second page of our game. give me chance lol

[saad]

bewilderbeast is a weird guy, but i think he is town. Overexcited town.

that's it for now.

[saad]

bewilderbeast is a weird guy, but i think he is town. Overexcited town.

that's it for now.

What makes you sure he is over excited town? and not overexcited mafia?

who gets excited about being the mafia?

[saad]

who gets excited about being the mafia?

why are you defending the person who seems most eager to vote for you?

because i town read him.

[saad]

holy crap someone unvote please lol.

1st game and i'm being lynched for something stupid FFS, we haven't even gone through 3 pages yet.

[saad]

@heyboxgaming
@saad
First off: this is something pretty funny. I think whenever I voted saad, I put Saab do it didn't show up in the official vote count. Also, I must say that I am quite unused to forum mafia: this is not a lie. It's completely different from face-to-face but is still very fun. The RVS part is very confusing and even if I was mafia, I don't completely understand what I'm doing. I honestly feel saad is suspicious, now more because he is defending me, being so horribly bad at maintaining an unlynched position. Saad probably assumes that I am a mafia, knows he is too, and is trying to help me.
If I was to be town, I don't even understand how to defend myself from people wanting to lynch me. Please help.
VOTE: Vote:Saad

you're a funny guy but this is no laughing matter.

[saad]

OK :knuckle crack:

Jake From State Farm is my early scumread. first of all, the vote on highspace is suspicious to me for two reasons. 1. its an easy wagon to jump off if no one follows it seriously and can easily vote a scummy player without being suspected. 2. it's a potential wagon, some people are starting to fos highspace. this vote seems scum motivated.

rest of his stuff is undercommited scumhunting 'i think hes mafia because i feel it in my bones'. post #73 as well I do not like:

Seems like you are ready for the day to be over

when did he say this? he just came up with what could be a decent strategy in the grand scheme of things.

i'm not voting yet (mainly because people are still voting for me because i said hey guys lets find the mafia ffs) but he is my initial scumread.

also leaning town on heyboxgaming for post #71.

[saad]

Although Saad, do you still think Bewilder is town?

well he hasn't said anything else so ye.

[saad]

So I just went back and checked page 2 up until I voted high space, nobody fos'd him so...

talking about the fact that coldwine was also starting to interrogate him.

[saad]

also unvote from bewilderbeast please. he's an easy lynch and he is also town so please abort bandwagon.

[saad]

unvote

thank U.

[saad]

I guess I need to lay low more. In later games I'll attempt this, but now I'm gonna be lynched. Great.

This post right hurr

that's not admitting lmao, you could see why a town would say that as well (i need to lay low more so i don't get lynched) no one wants to be lynched.

[saad]

also unvote from bewilderbeast please. he's an easy lynch and he is also town so please abort bandwagon.

Please explain why he's an easy lynch and why he's town when he basically admitted he's scum.

fast bw on him, his excited demeanor. he just seems eager to help and i think people are mis reading him. he is town, a villager townie i may add who is just excited about playing his first game of forum mafia

also the fact that you, (my scumread) has jumped onto this bw also makes me think he is town.

[saad]

only people who need to lay low are scum...

it's poor word choice on his part, there is nothing malicious about it, he's not 'admitting' to anything, but nice to see you're twisting it that way though.

[saad]

so n00b town would think it's a good idea to lay low? have you ever seen a good guy ever say "hey I better lay low" to me "lay low" means avoid suspicion. Only bad guys want to avoid suspicion.

surely towns do as well, i mean they don't want to be lynched???

[saad]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.03

saad (2) - Coldwine, bewilderbeast

bewilderbeast (L-1) - heyboxgaminig, HighSpace, Anarchist7, Jake from State Farm

Not Voting (3) - saad, Seraphim, Sky_Paladin

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2015-04-12 00:00:59).[/area]

Let me know if there are any mistakes.

Anarchist7 unvoted i think

~thanks!

[saad]

@saad Thank you!
Even if I was scummy (which I am not), I'm just unused to this environment. Everyone assumes I'm trying to be manipulative or I'm mentally unbalanced
I'm just overexcited, if that's how you'd like to put it.
But I see what you guys are saying: I'm very suspicious (I can see why), my reasoning and posts make no sense (I can see why), and basically I'm accusing someone for no reason. I apologize for making this game seem like an insane asylum.

lol you're cute

[saad]

post #88 explains sr on jake.

post #128 explains tr on bewilderbeast.

[saad]

But your post 88 doesn't even make any sense, I explained why even. Your reason for scum reading me is basically shit

no it's not

[saad]

@Sky_Paladin
That game rule was unfamiliar to me: I did not know that the mafia knew each other until the first night which comes after the day on forums.

Contradictory to post #82


Although I like post number #152 I cant say I disagree.


Also, town read on paladin after the fantastic post that was #151 and I support your case that we may have found our two scum buddies already.

Although, if we lynch beast and he flips green.... we don't have a lead on saad anymore, Personally I believe that either paladin or myself will be the night kill as everybody else seems a little bit over the place, although coldwine is a possibility

So we should plan ahead. We shouldent put all of our eggs in the beast & saad basket.

If he did flip green, who would be the next likely wagon?

flipping green = flipping as townie i presume

also hold your damn horse on that tr on paladin! i wouldn't be so sure yet on him/her. also why are we discussing night kill possibilities at this stage? bewilder is not dying, end of.

[saad]

But your post 88 doesn't even make any sense, I explained why even. Your reason for scum reading me is basically shit

no it's not

It really is, for reasons I already gave, but I'll give you even more reasons why its bad

1. its an easy wagon to jump off if no one follows it seriously and can easily vote a scummy player without being suspected

1. The fact by definition it wasn't even a wagon
2. Since its not a wagon, by definition its not an easy wagon
3. You neglect to consider other options as to the point of my vote

2. it's a potential wagon, some people are starting to fos highspace. this vote seems scum motivated.

This is a absolute lie as nobody was fos'ing him.somebody pointed out that people asked him questions but as I pointed out asking questions =/= fos'ing him

So yeah, shit reasons

1. it was the start of a wagon, since people were starting to suspect him (coldwine began questioning him)
2. i just explained how it was the start of a wagon and how people would have been prepared to jump on it
3. the reason you gave was a gut feeling. how do i question that???

no it's not a lie. asking questions is building up an opinion on someone, and you usually question someone who you aren't sure is town i.e. you think they have a chance of being scum.

so yeah, refuted.

[saad]

@Sky_Paladin
That game rule was unfamiliar to me: I did not know that the mafia knew each other until the first night which comes after the day on forums.

Contradictory to post #82


Although I like post number #152 I cant say I disagree.


Also, town read on paladin after the fantastic post that was #151 and I support your case that we may have found our two scum buddies already.

Although, if we lynch beast and he flips green.... we don't have a lead on saad anymore, Personally I believe that either paladin or myself will be the night kill as everybody else seems a little bit over the place, although coldwine is a possibility

So we should plan ahead. We shouldent put all of our eggs in the beast & saad basket.

If he did flip green, who would be the next likely wagon?

flipping green = flipping as townie i presume

also hold your damn horse on that tr on paladin! i wouldn't be so sure yet on him/her. also why are we discussing night kill possibilities at this stage? bewilder is not dying, end of.

This is exactly what a scum buddy would say. Your being really defensive and its letting in on your act.

In fact this whole post reeks of scum.

1 you say not to trust the person who is having a scum read on you yet you have said nothing to counter the claims
2 You say beast will not die and that's a fact, a major suspect to be scum.
3 and you don't want us to plan our next kill in advance while we have as many active players as possible.

so, saad. have I misinterpreted something? Am I wrong? Because if so its in your best interest to prove me wrong

i am defending my town read. i tr him due to his excited demeanor and he is voluntarily giving us information. he is not hiding anything imo.

jake? ive explained a few times why i think hes mafia.

i will do everything in my power to make sure beast is not lynched at this point. i'm sure he is town and i don't want a fellow townie lynched.

as for that, well why are we thinking of lynching so soon? we have like 11 days left of d1 (lol) so why should we be making a possible kill lists at this stage? it doesn't help us since as i said we are not lynching bewilderbeast. lets try and lynch a mafia goon then look at kill lists.

[saad]

No, 1 vote is not a wagon, 2 votes isn't a wagon. A wagon doesn't form until you are have more than 50% of the required votes.

Just because somebody asked him a question or a series of questions, doesn't mean a wagon is going to form.

2. No you didn't really and you have absolutely no idea what people would have done. You made a baseless assumption that people would vote him, but as it is PROVEN in.the thread, nobody announced they were fos'ing him, let alone scum reading him enough to drop a vote. You are reaching here

3. Yes the reason I gave was gut, but that's not what I meant. What I meant is there are other reasons to vote somebody besides wanting to lynch them. I typically drop a reasonless vote in every game I play in. I do it for multiple reasons. 1. See how that person reacts, he gave me nothing and kinda of ignored it (still trying to wrap my head around that cause its literally never happened before) 2. I wanted to see how others reacted, only odd reaction I have seen is from you.

So yeah, you didn't refute shit and I'm done with this conversation, you'll just make me vote you instead and I.don't really want to derail the wagon off the guy who has essentially claimed scum.

one vote is a potential wagon, a potential wagon is still a wagon of sorts.

[saad]

one vote is a potential wagon, a potential wagon is still a wagon of sorts.

a potential wagon is still a wagon. you're a moron if you don't see this.

[saad]

he is town, a villager townie i may add

Explain this please, to me it seems like not only do you know he's town, you seem to know he's just a VT.

Please explain how you can say this with such absolute certainty.

because I TR him and his reaction to being lynched was not that of a pr. he had accepted his fate.

yeah i agree with heybox as town.

[saad]

wait, our Inexperienced Challenged (IC) has a townread on jake. i want to question him about this town read.

pls respond

[saad]

him as in seraphim. That guy.

[saad]

i want to know why you townread him.

[saad]

@Anarchist

It's clear my 104 and 147 post have a hidden motive behind them, which I believe most people have figured out at this point.

@Jake

Unless I'm getting your question wrong: If he gets a good response (people agree with him that I've been off and un-engaged), then I don't see why we wouldn't lynch me. Why is saad still a possible lynch? Aside from the adamant townread on bewilder, his posts have been solid and he hasn't given any reason to be lynched. Also, why don't you like the omgus vote? I think you might be having some misconceptions here.

he just wants me lynched

i think I have an idea on who the second scum is.

[saad]

yet I'm not voting you...

why would I vote you? you're my townread...

[saad]

OK, time to drip blood into this pool of sharks.

jake's first vote was on highspace. this was based on gut. Nothing wrong with that, but the vote seems opportunistic to me. he then announces that he cant see bewilder as scum:

I just don't see scum drawing attention to themselves like that.

yet on the next page he can't understand why he's town after 2 posts (pushing him to L-1)? he's one of the only people pushing this admission for guilt thing. the only other is skypaladin and i dont see both scum using the same reason to vote someone so for now i'll say sky is town, but thats dependent on what allignment jake is.

wants towncred here for when bewilder flips town:

I don't think I am over thinking what he said,

maybe I am though

but it's enough to know I want him swinging from the gallows.

so he doesn't look as suspicious and to make it look more like a town push than a scum one.

also read this:

No, 1 vote is not a wagon, 2 votes isn't a wagon. A wagon doesn't form until you are have more than 50% of the required votes.

Just because somebody asked him a question or a series of questions, doesn't mean a wagon is going to form.

2. No you didn't really and you have absolutely no idea what people would have done. You made a baseless assumption that people would vote him, but as it is PROVEN in.the thread, nobody announced they were fos'ing him, let alone scum reading him enough to drop a vote. You are reaching here

3. Yes the reason I gave was gut, but that's not what I meant. What I meant is there are other reasons to vote somebody besides wanting to lynch them. I typically drop a reasonless vote in every game I play in. I do it for multiple reasons. 1. See how that person reacts, he gave me nothing and kinda of ignored it (still trying to wrap my head around that cause its literally never happened before) 2. I wanted to see how others reacted, only odd reaction I have seen is from you.

So yeah, you didn't refute shit and I'm done with this conversation, you'll just make me vote you instead and I.don't really want to derail the wagon off the guy who has essentially claimed scum.

i riled jake up to see if he would come out with anything and there are some scumslips here.

2. I wanted to see how others reacted, only odd reaction I have seen is from you.

= when bewilder dies, then i'll get a bw going on you. you're bringing up some points and i will twist these to get you lynched tomorrow.

you'll just make me vote you instead and I.don't really want to derail the wagon off the guy who has essentially claimed scum.

- pretty understandable why scum wouldn't want to derail a strong bw on town dont U think?

I facepalmed you because you just shows how bad your argument was. now you can basically attack anyone who places a singular vote on somebody with the same logicz when the whole point of this game is to vote people and pressure them.

Would you rather I voted you or your town read? Cause those were the only people who had votes. I find it odd that you weren't suspicious of the people who voted you or your town read but suspicious of somebody who went against the grain and voted who they were suspicious of. That's pretty moronic if you ask me.

so are you searching for scum or searching for people who you can get easily lynched and you pretty much admitted that was your motivation with, 'cause those were the only people who had votes'. then the next thing, he finds it odd that i didn't suspect bewilder and says that he 'went against the grain' with his vote on highspace, which he changed a page later to the guy most people wanted dead. also that insult at the end is scum motivated, as town he could have said 'i dont agree with your reasons' or something but he called my reasons moronic and i don't see a town saying that

So Saad, I find it quite odd that this game has been going on for almost a week and you have still not voted anyone, not even me your biggest (and only annouced) scum read. So what's been keeping you from dropping a vote? What's been keeping you from trying to convince others to vote me? Why didn't you respond to high space when he basically said the reason you are voting me isn't alignment indicative. Why aren't you doing ANYTHING that resembles scum hunting? All I see you doing is questioning people when they say they town read me which isn't scum hunting imo

you don't need to question how i scumhunt, everyone does it differently. i don't want or need to vote anyone yet, why are you so desperate for me to vote? also your scumhunting is half assed and doesn't look genuine, you're asking generic questions that any scum could ask to seem towny.

i'm more than willing to reconsider my read on him. (for those who know me this is a HUGE step for me, I almost never reconsider my reads lol)

do it, reconsider your read. i'm now in the limelight, not bewilder, so it makes sense for you to reconsider your read on me.

tl;dr jake is scum and i know his partner too.

[saad]

a single vote on a person that nobody is suspecting is not opportunistic but nice try

it is if people were beginning to question him. its a newbie game, people may feel obliged to sheep the experienced players.

You are correct, I didn't think scum would be so bold to put a player to L-1 like that, but then after that admission of guilt post I was obviously proven wrong.

he never admitted guilt, but keep reinforcing that.

and? this means nothing, I don't care if people agree with me, hell people have basically laughed at me for it but I don't care.

and it's a newbie game and could be seen as a strong argument to get townies to sheep you.

There are no scum slips as i am not scum

you are and that laughing emote doesn't help your case.

The blue is my words, the black is where you are intentionally trying to misrep me

it's not misrep i'm pointing out why you are scum.

Blue is me again, black is you. Except you are leaving out the part that the bewilder wagon was falling apart. 1 person had unvoted and others didn't seem so sure. Plus you are trying to imply that me being loyal to my vote on my top scum read is somehow scummy and you don't explain why scum me wouldn't be voting for town you when I could have easily done that.

btw none of these things (which I assume you were trying to imply) are scum slips. All they are is you trying to spin my actions into something scummy, which they aren't.

it's still a scummy slot in the eyes of the majority. and you are edging that way towards me because i'm in the limelight. you've began pushing on me whilst keeping your vote, puts you in a win-win situation. you can unvote and vote me if a bw starts on me or you can keep your vote on bewilder and look townish for keeping your vote on him if he is lynched and flips town.

I am searching for scum

half heartedly.

No that actually wasn't my motivation, my motivation was to vote somebody I had a gut scum read on, the only reason why i mentioned the 2 people with votes is because you tried to imply my voting high space was somehow scummy because I was trying to start a potential easy wagon (or whatever bullshit you were spewing at the time) which doesn't even make any sense and still doesn't, which is why your original reasons for fos'ing me were shit and they still are shit.

it was scummy. there was a potential bw there because people were beginning to vote him.

Now this is a blatant misrep. I said I found it odd you weren't suspicious of the people voting you or your townread. Bewilder wasn't the only person voting you.

the crux of the point was why i wasn't focusing on bewilder, because i had the most votes on me and he voted me for a shitty reason.

Holly misrep batman. My vote on bewilder had absolutely nothing to do with how many votes were on him.

yeah sure, he said something, you spun it and used that as a reason to vote. before you were sure he was not mafia because 'why would he say something like that as scum'?

Actually I do, if you are town then I need to be able to see town motivations from you.

other people can see i am town from my posts (in which i have scumhunted).

Sure they do, I just don't really see you doing any...

i have scumhunted,

That's kind of the point of this game though. To vote who you think is scum, you think i am scum yet no vote... If I take a page out of your book and misrep you like you have done to me, I could say that you seem to be afraid to vote me because their doesn't seem to be any support and you are afraid of drawing more attention to yourself which imo is a scum trait not a town trait.

i'm waiting for the vote count, idk if my vote will have any impact on the possible lynch of bewilder, cant remember if i'm the only one not to have voted or not.

1.
2. Those who aren't scum hunting don't have the right to criticize others scum hunting
3. Your opinion doesn't matter to me, I am not here to please you

1. laughing emote again, shows arrogance, which is a scum trait.
2. i am scumhunting, you said before that I haven't 'really' scumhunted? which is it? have i scumhunted a bit or not at all?
3. i suspect you and i am the only one who does. my opinion matters more than anyone elses in this game to you atm.

1. At least I am asking questions and trying to figure people out, I can't say the same about you
2. you do realize that pretty much most questions asked by people could easily be written off as scum trying to look town right?
3. I'm not asking generic questions but thanks for playing

1. yeah asking questions, great scumhunting. they're generic and easy to fake.
2. i realise that, but its easy to see what a townies line of questioning is and what a scums is.
3. you are and i hope bewilderbeast catches your ass d2 when you eventually flip this bw to me.

1. no i'm not
2. I have no partner.

thanks for playing though.

1. you are
2. you do

yeah, twas a good game.

His partners Seraphim btw.

[saad]

oh ok i just saw the vote count.

VOTE: Jake From State Farm

[saad]

no it isn't

yes it is

imo he did

imo he didn't

interesting you just repeat that I am scum, but you don't reinforce the scum slips...

don't need to, i've already pointed them out once.

it absolutely was a misrep.

no

Not really true because I was suspicious of you when your wagon was falling apart...

maybe... but you are pushing on me more now since the bw on bewilderbeast has frozen out.

That's correct, because the rules say i can only vote 1 person at a time. That doesn't mean I stop scum hunting but you wouldn't even know what scum hunting looks like since you have yet to do any of your own imo

i am scumhuting and have scumhunted throughout this game. nice dig though.

Please show me where the above quote is true. Who voted Highspace before me?

no one voted him, but cold was questioning him.

No it wasn't at all. Why do you keep bring it back to just bewilder? 4 people were voting you and 3 were voting bewilder and I asked why you were not suspecting these people? Instead you decide to suspect the person who voted somebody else. That is kind of odd because this is a numbers game and when their are only 7 townies and 7 people are voting you, to not be suspicious of any of those people doesn't make any sense as at least 1 of those 7 have to be scum. I love how you still kinda refuse to answer that question.

because bewilder is pretty much the focus at this stage. no need to focus on the others, i don't suspect the others. i'll focus on who i think could be mafia . i'm not going to suspect people for random voting at the start of the game lol.

Why would you wait for a VC before voting? That doesn't seem very town like to me.

incase my vote made the day end and got beast lynched. didn't want to be the last to vote.

No it's a jake from state farm trait

OK

[saad]

incase my vote made the day end and got beast lynched. didn't want to be the last to vote.

huh?

i thought if i had the final vote and i voted, beast would be lynched because he had the most votes.

[saad]

i thought if i had the final vote and i voted, beast would be lynched because he had the most votes.

Lynches occur through simple majority (50% of living players + 1, rounded down)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

oh ok, so i need to get 4 more people to vote you then.

[saad]

oh ok, so i need to get 4 more people to vote you then.

Do you think that Jake's behavior here is more in line with his behavior in previous town games, or previous scum games?

don't see the relevance, a good scum player will play differently each game.

[saad]

oh ok, so i need to get 4 more people to vote you then.

Do you think that Jake's behavior here is more in line with his behavior in previous town games, or previous scum games?

don't see the relevance, a good scum player will play differently each game.

This isn't necessarily true, and that's why multiple games are analysed in any case. It's also why I asked for more active scum games. After browsing through three scum ISOs and two town ISOs, I've noticed that his game here fits much better to the town ISOs than the scum ones. If there are trends which hold for three scum games, they'd likely hold for this one if he were scum.

past games are irrelevant, concentrate on what he's doing in this game.

[saad]

bewilder is the right lynch. hasn't posted in over 48 hours yet logged on last night. He has totally lurked himself into oblivion which OMG is what he said he was going to do.

bewilder is scum, sadly saad is proably town as much as that pains me to say. Last scum is probably highspace but the IC hasn't really impressed me either.

mod please prod bewilder

finally

UNVOTE:

VOTE: bewilderbeast

[saad]

1. please answer my question. have you ever played mafia before, anywhere?
2. why did you just vote your town read?

1. never ever
2. clearly he is not my townread if i'm voting him...

[saad]

i am now a goon, that is my title.

[saad]

So walk me through what changed your mind. You were adamant he was not only town, but a vt

you've started to towntell and the other guys done FUARK all, nothing. he's probably scum looking for a get out of jail free card i.e. replacing out of this game.

he's a village townie in clothing but a mafia goon at heart, and should be eliminated from this game.

[saad]

i'm gonna UNVOTE: and see what the new guy has to say.

[saad]

no, heybox will be back. he found his first game to be a lot of fun, so why would he think differently in this game? :O

[saad]

i'm not willing to comment until a replacement has been found for bewilderbeast.

[saad]

In what way would a replacement for Bewilder have any impact on what you have said previously?

I think these are points you should address

before

any replacement could be found.

because the only reason i'm leaning away from bewilderbeast being town is the inactivity, apart from that he has town told the most imo.

see what the new guy says then continue from there.

[saad]

i've already answered that question. the focus was on bewilder at the time so i mentioned him.

[saad]

more dodging

vote: saad

Let's go over this again shall we?

I find it odd that you weren't suspicious of the people who voted you or your town read but suspicious of somebody who went against the grain and voted who they were suspicious of

This was my original point. To which you said

then the next thing, he finds it odd that i didn't suspect bewilder

to which I respond with

Now this is a blatant misrep. I said I found it odd you weren't suspicious of the people voting you or your townread. Bewilder wasn't the only person voting you.

and your response was

the crux of the point was why i wasn't focusing on bewilder, because i had the most votes on me and he voted me for a shitty reason.

so now you have me asking you the question again and now you have another person asking the question and you STILL refuse to answer it. The point was NEVER about bewilder like you keep saying. The fact that you want to ignore this question over and over again and continually direct focus to bewilder is very odd.

I rescind my possible town read on you. You are being intentionally stubborn in an attempt to deny town information and i don't see any town motivation for it.

That's L-2

1. i've answered your question twice now and you still think i'm avoiding the question. you're just giving yourself a reason to vote me here.

2. you never had a town read on me, you did that for town cred (which idk why, everyone here bar me seems to think you're town anyway). i false buddied you when you tr me to see how you would act and your reaction was cautious, questioning my flip, which is another way you tried to gain town cred (btw bewilder is obvious town, his afk isn't scummy at all, he just got fed up and left). your play is too cautious to be town.

and this is exactly why jake is scum gg. he's looking for mislynches as opposed to looking for scum. he's doing a good job contriving his scumhunting though.

VOTE: Jake Of State Farm

[saad]

Hello. Sorry I haven't posted in a while: went on a little vacation with no computers.
@Saad: This is very weird. The whole game you have adamantly defended me, and now you're just voting for me, seemingly for no reason? Weird.

from which days were u on vacation, give us a time period pls (for example march 4th-march 17th).

[saad]

your reaction was cautious

explain this please saad AFTER you provide me the link to where you supposedly answered my question.

I was not cautious at all so i'd love to see your spin on this.

i've already answered that question. the focus was on bewilder at the time so i mentioned him.

1. please answer my question. have you ever played mafia before, anywhere?
2. why did you just vote your town read?

So walk me through what changed your mind. You were adamant he was not only town, but a vt

this is clearly nervous scum not anticipating my play. they don't know how to react, so the best way is to carefully pick their words (seen with 'walk me through' and 'not only town but a vt', reinforing that point i made about him.

[saad]

1. You still have ignored the question. I already said I don't give 2 shots about bewilder, and you were town reading him. I asked why you didn't suspect any of the people who voted you OR your town read (bewilder) so keep stalling bro

2. That isn't cautious behavior, that's questioning you to get you to explain your actions. Well the first question was me trying to decide if you made a genuine townslip or a fake one.

3. The next quote is again me trying to get you to explain your actions and yet again not cautious.

You fail again bro. You gotta learn you can't fuck with me saad, I'll tear your bullshit to threads.

i don't really care about the others that are voting me in RVS. bewilder was the focus, so i talked about his vote.

it quite clearly was cautious behaviour but keep twisting it. the choice of words used showed that you were picking your words carefully.

i'll ultimately, be the winner of this game. since town are going to slaughter you tomorrow, so good luck. good luck to seraphim as well, whom I see you have interacted with to try and make it seem you are not partners.

[saad]

saad is ignoring the threat of L-1...

just vote jake tomorrow and everything will be fine.

[saad]

Unvote
Vote: saad

That's L-1. Typically, it is site meta that when you reach L-1, you should claim your role but you might have reasons to not do so. Your call.

the only way you're winning this is by killing your partner in the night meeting.

[saad]

@saad let's break it down to a simple question since you keep dodging my original one.

Why did you not scum read anyone who was voting you or bewilder when basic math suggests that at least 1 of those people HAS TO BE SCUM.

P.edit - more stalling.

I don't care what happens to me, I'm town and I'm scumhunting and that's all I care about.

you and seraphim have both voted me and bewilder in the past. as for the others, well there are other reasons why i tr them.

btw, heyboxgaming has gone from tr to null/scum read, his recent participation has been filler and his earlier posts were all focused on quick lynching and reinforcing town status. if seraphim isnt scum or by some miracle jake isnt scum, then this guy is scum.

highspace and anarchist are probably bored towns, i'm sure on bewilder being town and paladin is a null read, but there are scummier players than him/her, so for now ill say he/she is a townie.

[saad]

ill claim if you say that you intend to hammer me, otherwise i'm not claiming. consider the speed of this bandwagon pls.

[saad]

another reason why heyboxgaming could be scum, he's not having as much fun this game, he has participated less. mafia is a tough life, there's no fun on the dark side...

[saad]

We have several days left and the conversation is active so I don't intend to drop the hammer any time soon. Players may unvote if they are antsy anyway.

Saad, I'm generally unhappy with your attitude. If we lynch you and you flip town we have no basis to lynch Jake because of it, because you haven't established why Jake is scum, and why scum would necessarily target you over another player. You also haven't indicated why you think Seraphim is scum, so I'm inclined to believe it's just a thrown out read to appear like there's content.

I want to know why you voted BW. Yes I appreciate that you said he was going afk and you didn't like it. But other players - iirc Highspace/Coldwire/Box had been afk for a lengthy period of time, so what was special about BW's afk that warranted a vote?

You stated that you thought BW was town and yet you were voting him. I can't easily reconcile that so I need an explanation from you.

***

@Seraphim

In 273 you state -
"I don't have a lot of time to post at the moment but I will soon."

Is 'soon' going to be within this day phase?

so do you want to hammer me or not?

ive explained plenty of times why jake is scum. ill elaborate on my reads later.

[saad]

Hope you all had a nice Easter. VC incoming and replacing highspace

thx my easter was great looks like it'll be my turn to be nailed to the cross soon enough though.

[saad]

ok before i die, wanted to get this off my chest.

JOSF is

unequivocally

town, all this was just a massive test to catch the scum and the town. i predicted i'd be first to die when the game started, that was my aim at the start of the game and because of my play, i've found one scum for sure.

why jake is town: obstinacy, unvoting at l-1, reconsidering, his persistence to get me lynched is very towny, because when i flip as town, he will be in the limelight, which mafia don't want.

now you need to look at the people who are subtly pushing on me. scums in there most likely.

ok as i said, i think i found 1 (one) mafia, and that mafia is heyboxgamimg. let me explain.

at the start of the game, he is being incredibly helpful to the newer players:

This is my second game of mafia and I had plenty of fun with my first =) I would love to know how much experience everybody has had with there games of Mafia? Whether it be on another site or this one.

also
@bewilderbeast You do not have to answer truthfully, otherwise games would end rather quickly.....

Here is my RVS (Random Voting Stage)

idk maybe i'm looking too much into this, but it seems fishy to me. being helpful could make people lean town on him, it seems like a scum tactic to voluntarily tell us what the terms mean and whatnot in order to seem like a helpful towny, since surely that's the job of the IC or the game mod? the 'rvs (random voting stage)' kinda reinforces this point as well.

You can vote by,VOTE: insert name here VOTE: with a backslash before the second vote (in the bracket).

Also, RVS is great to get to know the people you are playing with, and gives you some ideas about what to ask other players and as it is mentioned above, good for adding pressure.

@All
I would also love for anybody who has any questions to ask them whenever convenient, I will do my best to answer them as quickly as possible.

To those who question RVS, what methods do you propose to get the conversation rolling??

that was well, ditto with my previous point. look how helpful he is being, explaining pretty simple stuff (hell it didn't take me long to figure out how to vote and what not) so to say that you need to put in tags and put in the backslash seems over excessive to me. the 'in the bracket' as well, no one asked him for this info, he is voluntarily doing the IC's job and this is scum trying to look towny.

ok so a bw on bewilderbeast starts to form. heyboxgaming latches on.

I would like to make a case on a day one lynch on bewilderbeast, call it a hunch.
1- Vote is jumpy, confusing as shown in #42
2- After a post about lurking, makes a case on lurking, also it’s too early in the game to have lurking as a case as shown in #32
3- Also, after a post about lurking he posts quite…. A lot. Maybe it’s just his play style, maybe he is trying to seem as if he is contributing even though nothing of value is really shown apart from RVS reasoning?

4- Directly states that he feels Saab is mafia (not scummy mind you) in post #50 and again all of this is on RVS logic?!?! (facepalm)
5- Jumps on bandwagon in post #29



I myself am not 100% certain of him being mafia, but mafia or not. Current posts are leading me to believe he is anti-town.

Current standings on reads are as follows

Town- Nobody

Scum- bewilderbeast

Unsure- Everybody else

ok looks decent on the surface. he tells us that he has a scumread and gives reasons. OK, nice job m8, but it's time to pick this apart.

1. his backtracking and safeguarding.

call it a hunch.

yet he gives reasons. seems like more than a hunch to me.

Also, after a post about lurking he posts quite…. A lot. Maybe it’s just his play style, maybe he is trying to seem as if he is contributing even though nothing of value is really shown apart from RVS reasoning?

he's posting a lot, which could indicate he is scum, but that may be the way he plays, so when he flips town, oh well it must have been his playstyle, my bad, I mentioned that in my case, now townread me.

Directly states that he feels Saab is mafia (not scummy mind you)

so if its not scummy, why use this as a reason?

2. the random list at the end, it doesn't even need to be there. he townreads no one, he scumreads only bewilder, it is unnecessary to include this list. this again seems like scum trying to be town.

OK now we move to this. originally i thought it was a town post but now I'm changing my stance slightly.

Here is what i think would be best of town to do, First lynch beast, we have some evidence to scummy play, then see how he flips.

Town
Ok, then to my eyes we can find saad to be innocent (defending bewilder even though he is voting for him) and maybe find the mafia on saads wagon. even if this ends as him being town we are able to get more information on the game.

Mafia
This is the ideal lynch, if he flips mafia then i belive we could suspect saad, for defending him. a double play, beast could be faking vote on saad to clear his name.

or we could just sit here in two wagons. getting no more info.

he's giving us a reason to get bewilder now, this is nervous scum trying to push the bw. 'if we get bewilder and hes town, then saad must be town, if hes mafia, saad is mafia' = lynch bewilder, lets go to n2, discuss a kill, push on saad d2, get him lynched, discuss kill, win LYLO.

Saad is being oddly defensive and protective of beast...

I might need to rethink my reads... this is certainly interesting.

Will post more tomorrow as it is very late here.

now this is when i was being suspected because of my defending of bewilder. heyboxgaming decides to reconsider his read because he finds my defending of him odd. this seems like to me that he sees me as a potential lynch over bewilder, so its in his best interests to get me swinging from the gallows.

Also, town read on paladin after the fantastic post that was #151 and I support your case that we may have found our two scum buddies already.

random tr. sky's posts are long, so he must be towny. scum trying to reinforce town status? i think so.

Personally I believe that either paladin or myself will be the night kill as everybody else seems a little bit over the place, although coldwine is a possibility

why would they kill you and why did you need to mention this? this is a weird thing to add... also why would they kill coldwine lol he's done nothing significant in this game.

So we should plan ahead. We shouldent put all of our eggs in the beast & saad basket.

but you have all this time...

next post responding to heybox, i get this:

This is exactly what a scum buddy would say. Your being really defensive and its letting in on your act.

In fact this whole post reeks of scum.

1 you say not to trust the person who is having a scum read on you yet you have said nothing to counter the claims
2 You say beast will not die and that's a fact, a major suspect to be scum.
3 and you don't want us to plan our next kill in advance while we have as many active players as possible.

so, saad. have I misinterpreted something? Am I wrong? Because if so its in your best interest to prove me wrong

you've gone from "lynch beast and if hes town then saad town" to "wow, he's defending bewilder, he must be mafia defending his partner". this is an odd progression to me, you've gone from stating logicalish reasons for getting rid of bewilder to wanting me gone as soon as the focus shifts. gone from, saad may be scum but i'm not sure, to, saad is definitely scum, in the space of 2 posts.

he then votes me, joining the bw. the rest of his stuff is just filler tbh, trying to contribute in between large gaps of lurking:

If arrogance is a sign of being scum, lynch me now XD for i must be the scummiest of them all!

(could be seen as scum arrogance)

Do not fear, I am still here

Just don't have all that much to contribute atm :/

(a lot had gone on, he could have reread).

sorry for the long post, but i have a wife and 10 kids to feed

[saad]

Hope you all had a nice Easter. VC incoming and replacing highspace

thx my easter was great looks like it'll be my turn to be nailed to the cross soon enough though.

AtE

hopefully the mod buys it and doesn't vote me

[saad]

I will read entire post. Expect my best posting today to come after 9pm est.

Currently on my phone and just wanted to check in. On my brief read so far I will state that I am unsure on Saad and would like to read more on how this wagon had developed. I think saad had said a lot which puts Saad in a very well known position. I'm just not feeling it right now.

I am curious about all these claims for town reads. You're entitled to claiming them and it will give us more info after we get some reveals but some seem way too confident. The only one that feels right to me is Jake.

I would like to see more from some of the lesser posting people like coldwine and hbg. Not sure if I got names right.

UNVOTE: unvote just in case

I am not certain on this saad wagon and I am going to read more on how votes are justified for staying on there all this time. On my brief read it feels like there was a random stage and not everything has been repealed yet and I am worried that things have been left without further recourse. I wish there had been more pressure spread all around d1 and I will try to come up with questions for all of possible ifi have time tonight. Saads lack of voting during all this pressie makes me wonder if it is an honest town move or lack of pointing a partner but because saad continued to be outspoken and taking positions I lean toward a town read.



I am going into a six hour block with no internt accessright now.

this slot probably town as well btw, dont get why highspace was a scum read.

[saad]

[saad]

can you give me a bit to out my thoughts pls

[saad]

nobody vote me until i out my thoughts. if anyone votes me now, lynch them tomorrow.

[saad]

look im sorry, real life stuff. i'll do reads now.

[saad]

Townreads:

jakefromstatefarm: pressuring, obstincacy, is actually scumhunting now, his relentless push on me would be suicide from a scum pov.

bewilderbeast: he's playing weird but I like how he is voluntarily giving us info. i also don't see scum acting like bewilderbeast, also that early bw...

whoever the guy that replaced highspace, pablito or something: weak town read, but i liked his earlier content. usually my initial trs turn out to be right, lets see if thats the case this time...

skypaladin: his line of thinking is only what a town would think, bizzare theories etc.

saad: another gut town read.


nulls:

anarchist7: not much content, all i see is that he's being paranoid. paranoid town or scum? idk yet, but due to the lack of pressuring or focus on him, I think the former, but not ready to commit to that.

coldwine: barely said a thing, however his theory that i have been coached could be a townslip, maybe, since there is no nightstart, so how could he have coached me? his join date is march 24th, i'll believe for now that he is a townie like me. if one of the guys i mention in my scumlist is wrong though, either pablito, anarchist or this guy is mafia.

scum:

seraphim: i'll brush over it later mayhaps but this guy is scum. filler, lack of scumhunting and contribution and could his asking of me to claim be a scum abusing his IC status?

heyboxgaming: explained on this guy.



if i missed anyone i'm sorry

heyboxgaming

[saad]

wtf i never typed heyboxgaming at the end of that.

[saad]

ive reread the content by pablito. moving that guy to null/scum in my list.

[saad]

well i didn't know that...

[saad]

somebody unvote ffs. tomorrow i will explain my case on seraphim and you will all gasp in amazement.

[saad]

Saad claim.

i'm not claiming. if you hammer me now, you're scum, simple.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Seraphim btw

[saad]

seraphim on l2.

[saad]

also that thing from coldwine could be a scumslip, so everything i said about heyboxgamning, you may need to ignore.

[saad]

i'm gonna say the 2 scum is in heybox/seraphim/pablito/coldwine. rereading anarchist and he seems like a townie.

[saad]

Wow
"Between HBG "suspecting" Anarchist and then retracting, I was expecting Anarchist to have made a strong post on Saad. While the rationale for pushing was good, Anarchist did nothing to emphasize this strongly. I feel that HBG is just dropping an act that is known to not be able to stand up after defending against it."

That indeed would be a great strategy if I was scum! Like honestly I love how much credit i am being given for something i dident even know i was doing, its like english class all over again.

Like i have said before when people say i am very focused (broken record) on saad and beast, its becuase there are beyond a doubt my two most confident votes in terms of them being scum. would you rather i question jake from state farm? seems like a waste of time for me, I like to question the people i find scummy.. hey kinda like what your doing to me? I always get a block and they get a sentence, by your logic "Oh your hyper focused on heyboxgaming who is your main suspect therefore you must be scum" although i wouldn't put it past you being scum, all your posts have been on easy lynches "saad,beast and probably myself".
would be great to see you looking on somebody else? oh but i guess you are way too hyperfocused so you must be scum?

Anyway, pablito, i can assume your going to claim town (if you were put on the spot) so i would like to know how you think highspaces actions and posts support yourself as pro-town? because he was a bit of a weird player, if you ask me.

disagree, highspace was towny, pablito aint.

[saad]

Lady chance Saad. I'm giving you until this afternoon.

Lady chance? Lol

Haha, last. Saad was on, but hasn't claimed. I'm hammering in twenty minutes.

i claim villager townie; today an innocent man dies.

[saad]

haha 20 mins went and you didn't hammer me.

[saad]

i'm claiming the moral victory there.

[saad]

*here

[saad]

nooooooooo

[saad]

get heyboxgaming tomorrow, then last one is in pablito and seraphim.

[saad]

gg shouldnt have killed me d1