Newbie 1677 (Game Over)

[Maestro]

EEEEEY GAIZ ten dollar for anybody who wants to catch me up while I try to read on my phone during break.

[Maestro]

Someone defending someone else? No I don't find that suspicious actually.

Chainsaw Defense

[Maestro]

Someone defending someone else? No I don't find that suspicious actually.

Chainsaw Defense

The scummy part of this isn't that someone else defends another player. It's that they do it by attacking the initial attacker. Which isn't what happened here.

I KNOW what a Chainsaw is, but I didn't know the situation. Fair enough.
Haven't had much time to focus on this game yet; still reading up.

[Maestro]

I'll be here in 6 hours. Had a busy weekend.

/phoneposting

[Maestro]

AHA PAGETOP

[Maestro]

I said 6 hours from 5 hours ago.
Can you count? On my way home now...lol

[Maestro]

Would've hoped for something substantial from meastro, but as of now
VOTE: meastro

Ok, I've caught up. What did you want?

[Maestro]

jachawk lacks commitment to anything in this game so far - but I don't know yet if that points Scum or Town.
The recent vote-hop on and off...with no clear difference as far as my slot is concerned...makes no sense.

mykonian is not Scum with Ruku; if either flips red the other is as good as conf in my eyes. But right now his early pages (while he was being run up) ping the shit out of me. Most of the thread after that I've had to skim, because you guys got really listless for a few pages; the Lia lynch was not particularly well thought-out and today's wagon on hawk seems to be mainly one of desperation getting closer to the deadline - a situation myko hasn

Ruku makes the most basic sense to me, as far as playstyle goes. When I replace into a game, I mainly look for people who match my mindset. Ruku is that player here. Willing to sheep the vote on myko just based on my own reading and you can start the day tomorrow with me having had a better read of the thread.

VOTE: myko

tojam2 has a very disconnected playstyle. He apparently got to L-1 but I didn't see a claim on my skim-through. Why is he not being more closely scrutinized?

I think we've established that most partnerships discussed by my half of the group involve Ruku.

Why are you so focused on partner-speculation when we haven't had a Scumflip yet?
Why aren't you trying to convince people to vote Ruku?

Also, somebody mentioned questions posed to hawk that he didn't answer. What (specifically) were these questions?

[Maestro]

@mykonian: Seen as you won't vote for Maestro/hawkleader Unvote

eh, I'll happily let maestro talk a bit. As stated, I wasn't really a fan of the hawk lynch in that case, I could be wrong. This is like a second opinion

Why would you think I would be in a good position to convince you to not-vote my slot if you already weren't going to? You're allowing yourself to be walked on by this playerlist, which is never something I would expect of an IC, let alone you as an IC. You seem much more like a follower than a leader in this game, and you have been since the Day started, from what I can tell. That should never be the case with an IC - you should not be blending into the background and going where the flow takes you if you're Town. I'd expect to see you at the front of the pack, and you're not.

[Maestro]

Tojam is playing way too loose and aggressive to be scum to me, in addition to other details already covered.

Speak in your own words - don't reference other peoples'.

How do you justify the words of one Scumread eliminating your faith in another Scumread? (e.g. in this case, myko's words encouraging / convincing you that tojam isn't Scum). I personally don't think he (tojam) is playing aggressively at all. He's playing analytically, which is dangerous when it's not coupled with the passion or fire I'd expect to reside behind the analysis of a Town mindset - Ruku is a good example of that from what I read closely.

tojam definitely doesn't seem to care a whole lot about who gets lynched, if that's what you mean by "loose". He's just looking to continue fiddling with his little partner lists - that analytical aspect that is painting him null. It's kindof slimy in the same way stereotypical accountants are thought of as slimy. They think they know so much, or they want to. Hard to explain. If anything, I'd say he and myko are Scum together, if he (tojam) is Scum at all. But I'm not really sold on that, for different reasons than you've cited. I'll go into that tomorrow. When we see myko's flip I'll look more closely, but I really dislike his interactions with Mocha - or lack thereof.

In the beginning, he (myko) does a lot of answering Mocha's questions to appear helpful and offer something close to interaction as substance, but worse than IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis) this is Information Instead of Interaction. After that he switches to talking ABOUT Mocha, almost never directly addressing him unless he's answering another question Mocha aimed directly at him - and Mocha doesn't do that often. They seem to be actively avoiding eachother unless the other one breaks the unspoken rule first. At least that's the feeling I get in ISO. Also of real interest, an excerpt from myko's post 386:

I have a townread on mocha. Even if I agree with him, I'm not going to argue his arguments for him. Hell, it's just a townread, I could be mistaken.

An EXTREMELY non-committed read on Mocha, coupled with an out-in-case-of-flip for either of them. This is exactly how I might sometimes expect to see Scum label their partner.

As I think through all this, I notice how ironic it is that I just asked tojam why he's so concerned with partner speculation. He goes about it the wrong way - you shouldn't be making a long list of every possibility, you should be digging in each ISO until you find a concrete reason why somebody would not be partnered with somebody else. There's a lot more Town than Scum in this game; lists where 80% of you "potential Scum" are actually Town do nothing. Post about one person you think is Scum with one other person you think could easily be Scum with them (in this case, I think myko is Scum with somebody who's leaning-Null for me and who has very little meaningful interaction with Scumread numero uno). There's some handy unwarranted advice from an SE.

Now, I'm going to bed. I better see a lynch in the morning. Something is better than nothing...ALMOST always.

PEDIT: tojam is not playing recklessly. The rest is null, if that. I've done crazier shit as Scum to either get ignored or play off the over-aggressive style, usually to great success.

[Maestro]

UH I MAY HAVE JUST INADVERTENTLY HAMMERED MYKO

[Maestro]

Lack of VC for a page and a half - neither Ruku nor Natsu unvoted, that I saw, and tojam voted him just before the pagetop. That's lynch.

[Maestro]

Maestro wouldn't have killed Mocha, as that would be too obvious (unless it's a double bluff).

???

[Maestro]

You probably want to cool it on your vote till we hear back from everyone in case there's a counter claim.

Also, consider these posts my way of

not

CCing.

[Maestro]

HAH pagetop

[Maestro]

This is neither relevant nor interesting.

[Maestro]

Though in hindsight I wasn't complaining as I really thought mykon was scum.

This is the only reason I'm not beating myself up over the accident; the game seemed to be stalling and it was almost certainly where I was headed anywasy. I just feel like I ground to a halt processing-wise as soon as he flipped Town. Still getting over it and trying to get re-engaged in this:

Anybody got any questions for me? Leftover from yesterday, I think some people were mentioning shit that hawk did that somebody asked him about and he ignored, or something like that. Has everybody posted to be sure we know nobody's CCing?

[Maestro]

At this point, it's most likely true that I can't do anything to prevent my own lynch today. If Mocha is the 1-Shot BP (which is likely), he was shot last night. If he's killed tonight (optimal Scum play, IMO) then tomorrow it'll be jackhawk, Natsu, Ruku, and tojam2 - with both Scum still alive that's a win for them. This is MyLo, don't know if you all noticed that or not.

I am not Scum, but I really have much ammunition to convince anybody about that. From my PoV I would still say it's most likely tojam and [Natsu / Ruku] but I doubt both Natsu and Ruku are Scum.

VOTE: tojam2

[Maestro]

"town will lose if I am lynched, so I am town"

That's not my logic at all? This is MyLo. That's all I was saying.

[Maestro]

I think I'll take a moment to mention I despise this method of "catching up" on a game. We don't want to know your thoughts on the gamestate as of 2 Day phases ago, Witch_Hunter. We want to kow your thoughts about the gamestate as it stands now. I replaced hawkleader. If you have concerns, don't address them to a ghost, as it were. I am here. Address me. Talking about the gamestate prior to when you or somebody else replaced in is only valuable if it heavily impacts your read on a slot.

You especially don't need to go through your own predecessor's posts going "man what a good post" "oh boy something else I agree with" etc. ad infinitum. You have no reason to confirm your predecessor was Town in your own eyes - you've seen your Role PM. As for us, you can talk about your predecessor's posts if you like, but only in a way that adds value or expands on them. Not as a cheerleader. Tread your predecessor as you. Stop patting yourself on the back. It's fucking annoying for one. And for another, that kindof thing is a form of mindset acclimatization I seen much more often in Scum replacements.

[Maestro]

Not to mention we don't need two whole pages of "WITCH_HUNTER'S THOUGHTS ON DAY 2" filling up the thread. Respond in one post and do us a favor: take up 1/25th of the posts on a page.

[Maestro]

That's wonderful. Let us know when you're up-to-date.

[Maestro]

You all might as well take time today to discuss what happens when I flip Town. I can only phone post so it's not like I can stop this.

[Maestro]

You were saying...?

You didn't even have to lynch me yet. Jesus.
I've had to phoneposting for days and you just couldn't let it go.