Newbie 1761: Welcome to Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Clemency
The names this game are WILD

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Already found scum, thought this game would be harder.
VOTE: Cheetory

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I wouldn't be surprised if the partner is in {Clemency, ArcAngel} either.

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Want to actually do something or just float around doing shit?

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Jesus I thought ICs were supposed to be a role model of a good player not a troll. I'm not going to allow Cheetory living through D1.

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Cheetory, who do you think is mafia?

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What makes you think I'm hunting by association? I never said that I was.

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If everyone else is town, then they must be scum.

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Yes the players this game have been surprisingly easy to read.

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Yes the players this game have been surprisingly easy to read.

Would you mind giving us a break down of what you're thinking?

Sure thing! Here all of algebra's down reads, explained!
Karl - 60 and 68 of his I really like. We share reads, and his tone seems right to me.
MortFeld - Asking lots of questions in RVS, got us out of it. Nice.
xnad - Mort v xnad is TvT. The whole argument was spewing town.
Zaraki - Newb town.
Deimos - Good job progressing the day.

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@Zaraki I know you're new to the game. You behave like a town new to the game rather than a scum new to the game.

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Clemency, who do you think is mafia?
If you had to bet on one person being town, who would it be?

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I thought he was trying to get town out of RVS in 23 and 61

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I wouldn't say it was directly helping to get town out of RVS, but it seemed to come from a person who wants to get town out of RVS.

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I'm just waiting for archangel to come back so I can twist her inside iut

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I'm phone posting so I'll only answer the first part. He's sitting on the fence, like scum would.

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He who do you think is mafia? If you had to bet on two persons being town, who would it be?

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JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

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JR* and what makes you scumread me and townread mort?

Are you implying that your play this game is at all similar to mine?

Also, answer 293. Now. Cheetory asked you the same question and you ignored him too.

No?
I'll see if Deimos is town or scum once arcangel catches up

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Why the naked vote?

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Now it's not naked. You offered no explanation to the vote until now.

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What makes my slot more scummy than another inactive?

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Exhausted tonight, if anyone needs convincing to vote Deimos I'll write up my thoughts early tomorrow morning.

I want to hear your case

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Just because my posts are easy to produce doesn't mean they're scummy. That's like saying just because food is easy to make it means it tastes bad.

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He didn't even say your posts are definitely scummy, he just said that they're not towny given that you've done nothing otherwise.

Also, answer direct questions for farks sake, it's insane that you think it's okay to be this avoidant if you're town

Make sure you bold @algebra so I don't miss any questions

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Yeah I agree the Clem slot has done a 180 degree turn, town

Mort I'll be in a computer within the hour to explain don't worry baby

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@mort

Deimos was doing fine early game, but once some pressure was applied to him, he fell apart. He's vote hopping and being overly defensive. This could be self-doubting town, or backpedaling scum. Most likely the latter, but we'll see once Arc catches up.

The correlation between the two is simple. There's scum in {Arc, Deimos}. If one of them looks town, that increases the chances of the other being scum, and vice versa.

Hopefully this answer pleases you so you can stop nagging me.

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It isn't Poe, it's town hunting.

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I see PoE as using confirmed town to find scum. But it's D1. Why is this method not valid?

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Yes that is the set.

Scum can still be outside Deimos and Nadro, so I can I call your methods invalid too?

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JR - I like his tone, and he brought up some good points in 364 My weakest town read.

PenguinPower/Mostly Karl - Karl's 68 was a good poke at Zaraki for his backpedaling. 129 was actually questioning me, contradicting what JR said in his 364, but that's barely relevant. 193 is good too.

However, PP hasn't done anything besides asking simple questions that barely push the game forward. He said he has some thoughts, but he hasn't expressed any of them yet.

MortFeld - This level of activity is hard to fake as scum.

Xnadro - In 299, he took the words out of my mouth. Also questions me in 145, contradicting what JR said in 364, but that's still irrelevant.

@PP

can you give me a run-down of your reads?

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Forgot Zaraki, but he's conf town imo. No scum would attack someone for calling them a noob.

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I'm confused, I did give a read of deimos.

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I wish I had a good reason, but I don't.

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ArcAngel you done reading yet? If not fully caught up, can you at least give us your thoughts of most of the game?

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Arc just replace out please, if your town you know it will help us.

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I'll vote Deimos if it's needed to achieve a lynch 2 hours from deadline.

I don't want day to end with Arc not having posted one game-advancing thing.

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Nadroj how is stalling over defensive? Isn't that the complete opposite of over defensive? You're either scum ready me for stalling or being over defensive. It can't be both, so choose.

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Nacho has barely pressured me at all, though.

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My real frustration is that JR replaced into this game, and is now inactive. He's due for a prod.

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ArcAngel read my ISO, thanks.

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He who do you think is mafia? If you had to bet on two persons being town, who would it be?

Seriously. this is not called scum hunting. This is called filling game with random posts. why isn't really anyone focusing on this guy yet?

I'm going to rephrase this question as "Who is your top scumread, and who is your top two townreads?" Tell me if you think this is incorrect, which in that case you would be wrong.

Nacho - I have finished catching up but i am not finding anything town in your post. You haven't given your town reads yet, this is a surprise to me, you always have a strong town reads at a very early phase. So what's different here?

I need you to be back in game and tell me your strong town reads and your scum reads.

If you label my question as bad town play, then why do you do the exact same thing yourself?
VOTE: ArcAngel

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I'm going to do Mort a solid here and quote a post so that he doesn't have to repeat himself just because ArcAngel skimmed the game.

I wish I had a good reason, but I don't.

Ok. Willing to accept that you do think your PoE is good town play, and that your personality might be contributing to your avoidance. Not feeling as good about Algebra as a compromise lynch.

I want to lynch Deimos. Deimos is absent. Assume he's not coming back and will be replaced if not killed. Also assume that he is my top scumread. Do I have any pro-town reason to vote for someone I think is less likely to be scum? This is not rhetorical.

Then going to answer her question to me.

It isn't Poe, it's town hunting.

JR - I like his tone, and he brought up some good points in 364 My weakest town read.

PenguinPower/Mostly Karl - Karl's 68 was a good poke at Zaraki for his backpedaling. 129 was actually questioning me, contradicting what JR said in his 364, but that's barely relevant. 193 is good too.

However, PP hasn't done anything besides asking simple questions that barely push the game forward. He said he has some thoughts, but he hasn't expressed any of them yet.

MortFeld - This level of activity is hard to fake as scum.

Xnadro - In 299, he took the words out of my mouth. Also questions me in 145, contradicting what JR said in 364, but that's still irrelevant.

@PP

can you give me a run-down of your reads?

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I'm still waiting for one game-advancing post by Arc.

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If I do Action A, and you think Action A is scummy. How can you justify doing Action A yourself?

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How are my scumreads random? Are my townreads invisible?

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inviable*

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What is my way, scumreading you? Is that what forced your vote?

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During deep thought, I had an epiphany. Nacho is town because of something Cheetory said. I can't say why right now though.

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VOTE: Deimos
Some things came up and I will be busy tomorrow so I might not be able to gel achieve a lynch.

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Skimming to the end, but not willing to vote Deimos today.

Will vote algebra, will vote Xnad, not yet townreading Arc, but she's an easy enough read when she's given time that lynching her today isn't in town's best interest.

Why would you vote me?

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No I think I'm fine. A Deimos lynch would narrow down my scum set.

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Arc want to answer my questions or just try to convince nacho to mislynch? What would a lynch on me clear?

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I interpreted the Mort vote as newbscum. You're right if you interpret it as if Zaraki has more experience.

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Nacho have you formed an opinion on Arc yet?

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I interpreted the Mort vote as newbscum. You're right if you interpret it as if Zaraki has more experience.

I'm confused.

You said no scum would be stupid enough to vote mort. I think newbscum would, and I think zaraki is newbscum. If you think zaraki is not newbscum, your read is completely justified.

Have you read over my push on Arc?

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I can't go in depth about my epiphany, but it's the way Cheetory reacted to something that screams town to me.

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What makes her not the right lynch today?

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Arc also seems like she's buddying, and just copying Mort's reads to be safe because he's widely townread. Also OMGUS, sheeping, and going for a mislynch.

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Oh sorry Nacho I was talking about Deimos's vote. Then I suppose you're correct. Let me reread nadroj and see what I can find.

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Arc was just active on the site, but didn't post in this game. In the current game state, this can only be for two reasons.

1) Doesn't care who gets lynched.
2) Purposely avoiding the game and my questions.

Both of these are scummy imo.

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ArcAngel what forced your vote then? You've avoided the question twice now.

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You're not answering the question. What changed from 478 to 479? What forced the vote if you didn't vote me before?

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You didn't vote initially, I know that. Then why did you vote then? No one shared their thoughts.

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Town will lose a lot if I get lynched

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Town will lose a lot if I get lynched

I dont think you're town but even if you're town, its not end of the world. you're not scumhunting anyway.

This is so bad how is no one seeing this

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I'm a PR do I need to say more

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Intent to hammer

This is going to be a mislynch

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Tomorrow we need to focus on deimos arc and penguin power

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VOTE: nadro

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Deimos PP should be our main focuses today.
PP why did you Quickhammer our cop?VOTE: PP

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Doc

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PP share your reads like I told you d1 but you didn't and pounced on the opportunity to quickhammer

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We're actually in the row with doc and roleblocker

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Why do you mention the fact that there were no alternative wagons? The issue is you hammered our cop without a claim.

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Nacho want to lynch PP

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No. I don't townread you.

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You haven't really done anything

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Yes, I've been cooperating with town lately and sorting the game out.

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Pp is scummy for defending himself by attacking me

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How is my understanding flawed

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I protected nacho n1

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Mort saw me as uncooperative for avoiding his questions, but I've gotten better at doing that

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Sens what are you smoking lol we're not in RVS go vote penguin

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What makes my case weak?

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In addition to my PoE, PP cares more about defending himself and staying alive than helping town.

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I softclaimed PR, because I knew there was a possibility of a roleblocker (now confirmed), and scum might think I'm BP so I wouldn't be NKed.

HM seems ok, I'll reread him

Nacho PP is avoiding questions, and hasn't done anything town yet, let's lynch him

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I'm not townreading PP, but I'm townreading everyone else. There is an accurate reads list in my ISO.

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I don't want to lynch nacho, if wasn't phonepistong I would've had correct grammar

Should be Nacho, PP* hasn't done anything town let's lynch him

It was directed to nacho

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How is PP doing things, he's avoiding questions how is this not obvious scum

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Deimos there actually is a reason, we can lynch scum today

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My past reads are still my current reds

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JR - I like his tone, and he brought up some good points in 364 My weakest town read.

PenguinPower/Mostly Karl - Karl's 68 was a good poke at Zaraki for his backpedaling. 129 was actually questioning me, contradicting what JR said in his 364, but that's barely relevant. 193 is good too.

However, PP hasn't done anything besides asking simple questions that barely push the game forward. He said he has some thoughts, but he hasn't expressed any of them yet.

MortFeld - This level of activity is hard to fake as scum.

Xnadro - In 299, he took the words out of my mouth. Also questions me in 145, contradicting what JR said in 364, but that's still irrelevant.

@PP

can you give me a run-down of your reads?

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Except PP has changed,

If I had to. Booze 2 ppl to be scum it'd be HM and Pp

Nacho I'll lynch hm

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Same ^

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687 is really bad.

Not a hard stance, and lining up a PL D3 in LYLO

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SensFan just exposed PP

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I don't know why you people are analayzing NKs when it can all be WIFOM.

What probably happened in scum chat last night:

PenguinPower: Since algebra claimed PR, if we don't kill him he'll get lynched tomorrow. Easy Peasy!

Mystery Scum: Sounds good.

kill arcangel

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I haven't been townreading pp this whole game

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Haven't townread hm yet either

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I townread Karl before he replaced out.

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Roleblocking

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You think I'm bussing?

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so you now scum read PP, as his replacement?

That's awkward

Usually I don't carry reads over from player, unless I have some confirmation bias, like in Mort/Sens case.

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1. Stop analyzing NKs, it's WIFOM.
2 How am I acting scummy?

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HM explain your reasoning, now.

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Why do you guys think it's a good idea to lynch an unCCed doc?

Again, stop analyzing NKs.

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A mislynch is better than NL

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Maybe I claimed Doc because that was my role?

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VOTE: HM

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literally 30 minutes later you're like why not

What?

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I'm not town reading HM.

PP is town.

Deimos, Zaraki, HM is pool

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You went from null to town. I'd hardly call that a 180. You responded townish to pressure.

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I think scum wouldn't be that stubborn.

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Ok I take that back

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It was a 180 but I said you were scummy to apply pressure

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HM I was referring to PP

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Yeah I was townreading karl.

I'll answer your question when I get to a PC.

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HM I'm going to answer your question right now, but I have two quick questions for you now.

1. Is English your first language?
2. How old are you? (Won't have anything against you if you don't answer this)

Right now you're misinterpreting a lot.

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HM I'm going to answer your question right now, but I have two quick questions for you now.

1. Is English your first language?
2. How old are you? (Won't have anything against you if you don't answer this)

Right now you're misinterpreting a lot.

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@HM, I'm not townreading you because your case is weak. You've barely done anything.

762 wasn't a random vote.

I'm not doing whatever Nacho is saying. I was townreading PP's slot, but once PP replaced in, my townread was very minimal at that point.

I read you, then I reread your whole ISO.

I was tunneling PP to get some reaction. How else was I supposed to establish a read on him?

567 doesn't contradict 547 at all, maybe you quoted one of the posts wrong.

Why am I scum again?

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Deimos there actually is a reason, we can lynch scum today

Nobody except scum could possibly know you're town, so this is just bad reasoning.

I'm settled on an algebra lynch, but if Sens can actually provide his reasoning for PP I'd lynch that first, just in case.

What, you need someone else to do the work for you before you can form your own opinion?

Deimos is a top candidate for lynching today.

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The two main ways I form reads are post analysis and vote analysis.

Post analysis is just looking at someone's post, and deciding if it came from someone who was motivation to help town or someone who has motivation to help scum.

Vote analysis is also simple, just look at who confirmed town and who confirmed scum voted for.

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I guess you can't use it in that case. The most common case is when a scum is lynched. 90% of the time scum vote for town, unless the 10% they are bussing. So you townread the people that confirmed scum voted for.

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Prod deimos please

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Heya cloudkicker replaced Deimos who knew

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Can we get a deadline extension?

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Well that's a bit unfair because scum will probably vote against it so we don't have as much time.

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Scum is in cloud, zaraki, and hellfire

I don't care what order they get lynched in

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I protected nacho

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I guess that confirms nacho and I as town

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This was my though process. If I was scum, and knew there a doc, I would want to kill the person that the doc would least likely protect. They thought I wouldn't protect the same guy two nights in a row, so they went for nacho.

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Well now I'm confused. Why didn't the RB rb me?

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Maybe Zaraki is the rb, and just forgot.

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This was my though process. If I was scum, and knew there a doc, I would want to kill the person that the doc would least likely protect. They thought I wouldn't protect the same guy two nights in a row, so they went for nacho.

They have a roleblocker.

So? I still tried just in case a scenario like this would happen

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Or the roleblocker forgot.

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What happened to CloudKicker, PP?

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I'd bet CloudKicker missed his action due to v/la.

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We are both confirmed town, if the roleblocker (Cloud) forgot to roleblock me.

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I'm going to reread and try and see why Deimos wasn't lynched D1.

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Guys, this is MYLO you need to rethink this. Why do you think I'm scum?

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Scum isn't going to kill me if we NL, and you will lynch me tomorrow if things follow the current path. A NL won't change the fact that lynching me loses the game.

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We would lose because if we NL and someone gets NKed, it's LYLO. I get lynched, and scum wins.

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Where am I pushing the blame on somebody else?

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Because I'm the current lynch candidate?

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Honestly I think PP's intentions are good, he's just misguided.

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I think CloudKicker is definitely scum. I'm doctor, and CK forgot to roleblock.

VOTE: CloudKicker

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Can they do that? Maybe the goon thought that he roleblocker would submit one and didn't submit one just in case.

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Zaraki is most likely the other scum, I would lynch him today too.

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I really want to scumread Sens but I have a hard time believing Mort was playing like that as scum.

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PP seems focused on a target, and is very confident. Not necessarily trying to earn town points.

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@Mod Zaraki is due for a prod

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You think CK and I are scum together? Why?

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Zaraki you scumread me D1, not townread me.

Why did you make the claim that you did?

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Altslip?

CK is looking townish.

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Zaraki answer my questions.

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I'm not no lynching today. I'd only NL if we lynch Zaraki today, and NL tomorrow.

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Deadline.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zaraki

I really don't care about Nacho's activity.

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Where am I pushing the blame on somebody else?

You think CK and I are scum together? Why?

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Zaraki you scumread me D1, not townread me.

Why did you make the claim that you did?

Forgot this one too.

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I protected Sens as well,

I'm going to take some time to decide if my vote is going to be PP or CK today

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I'm 100% confident Zaraki is scum.

Anyone want to lynch the slot before someone replaces in?

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Fuck bro I just want this game to be over

VOTE: Zaraki

If I'm not confident in my reads I have nothing else to live for

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please if you any of u two are mafia just end my misery now and tell me b4 the flip

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Last time I was in this situation, I gave scum time to manipulate me

I have to go with my gut here

VOTE: PP

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Because my guts tell me too

When in doubt go with your gut

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UNVOTE:

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I want to see your case, PP. it better be good

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VOTE: Nacho

I hate this game so much

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I'm sorry if your town Nacho

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Good job PP.

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It was your NK analysis and nacho's post looking fake that convinced me

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I don't think scum deserved the win either. Zaraki was inactive all game