Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[TheBrie]

Hello, new person here.
VOTE: Loopdan

[TheBrie]

Ooh, somebody voted for me. But not the person I voted for. Probably that person could tell I'm innocent. I mean I must be innocent. I'm so not worried that I forgot this existed for a couple of days.

[TheBrie]

There's very little that can been know for certain. It was the last few days of the year. Not a normal time. Also being a dragon could make me unpredictable.

[TheBrie]

Hello, new person here.
VOTE: Loopdan

I get a hint of LAMISN here
a word I may or may not have just made up which means look at me I'm so new

That was more of: I'm terrible at introductions, but had to say something.

[TheBrie]

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me. Raskolnikov sounds more like a scum hunter. Suscious, but not trying to make everyone think people are guilty.

And now that three people have voted for me I'm a little nervous, because I'd rather not die just yet.

[TheBrie]

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me.

Though probably not both of them together because that would be too obvious when I flip if killed. But I will keep my vote on Loopdan for now.

[TheBrie]

I may have been reading too much into it. I suspect they're voting me because I was an idiot.
And I now feel that I don't know what's going on. Those defending me could be scum trying to win friends. Those voting me are also doing it to get info. I'm keeping suspicions but, UNVOTE: LoopdanUNVOTE: [unvote/]

[TheBrie]

Well that didn't work. UNVOTE: Loopdan

[TheBrie]

So, EchoVision might be scum because of "an odd feeling about Echo"?

Yes.

Can you explain the odd feeling about me?[/quote]
This still hasn't been explained amd it seems odd not to explain suspicions. EchoVision has been fairly quiet so there could be something, but it could be Huntress who's scummy. What dies everyone think?

As for Fred, defending me aka the idiot doesn't make much sense. I'm beginning to suspect him.
VOTE: Frederick E Campbell

[TheBrie]

And when people refer to me as he, I get confused. I'm a lady, even if I am a dragon.

[TheBrie]

Frederick/Brie scum-team

Lock up the thread and hit the Newbie Queue for your next /in.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you're sure of who the mafia is so we should just quit?

Even if you do know, the game should still be played to the end. And you don't know.

[TheBrie]

Does anyone else have an explanation for what Loopdan said then?

[TheBrie]

I've never heard of such a thing. And you're lying about the answer. At least three people know that.

(Unless there was a mistake with the set up)

[TheBrie]

There's nothing about a game solve attempt in the wiki that I can find.
VOTE: Loopdan

[TheBrie]

The three people are me and the two scum. Also you and Fred if you aren't mafia. So probably four then.

This game-solve shot doesn't even make sense. Even if you had figured it out, you still have to convince everyone else. Just because one person knows doesn't mean the Mafia can't still win.

[TheBrie]

I included Fred because he was also implicated by Loopdan. So if he isn't scum he still knows it's false.

[TheBrie]

@Brie-- Why did you wait until after you checked the wiki before you voted me?

Because even if the thing existed you were still lying.

[TheBrie]

I don't even know what's happening in this game anymore... Fuck brie <3 love you
VOTE: Brie

Do you mind explaining why you voted me? That puts me at L-1 and I'm not sure what information you'll gain by lynching me. This game is a mess.
(I suspect you think I'm scum, but I'm still not sure why now. )

[TheBrie]

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
Loopdan on the other hand is crazily confusing. I don't know what lying to a newbie about the game mechanics is supposed to achieve.

[TheBrie]

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.

Why not vote for Echo yourself if you suspect him?

Right now I suspect a lot of people a little bit and I don't have enough experience to trust my reads. Before I decide Echo is scummy, I want to hear what other think.

If you think I'm scum with Echo, why aren't you hopping on my wagon since it's bigger?

[TheBrie]

I don't see the point in putting you at L-1 so early when I'm not convinced you are mafia. Also, I've never said I think you-Echo are the scumteam.

Do you believe Huntress is town?

Oops, I got muddled half way though about who I was replying to. I'm uncertain about Huntress. I want to know what she thinks is up with Echo. Giving no reason seems a little odd.

[TheBrie]

@Brie-- Why did you wait until after you checked the wiki before you voted me?

Because even if the thing existed you were still lying.

That wasn't an answer to the question.

You said I was lying in 96. But you didn't vote. Then you checked the wiki and posted 97 with a vote.

My question is why didn't you vote for me in 96 if you knew I was lying about the 1-shot Game Solve Attempt?

I misread your question. Though you said didn't instead of did and forgot my own order.

In answer to the real question, I was still trying to figure what had just happened. I needed the time to decide to vote. I'm still not sure you're scum though. That lie seemed a little too crazy.

[TheBrie]

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
Loopdan on the other hand is crazily confusing. I don't know what lying to a newbie about the game mechanics is supposed to achieve.

I explained it in 104, and nothing I've seen since has changed that feeling. But if you haven't seen that then you've no reason to sheep me; so why are you prepared to do so?

I missed that. The reason I was willing to vote Echo on more evidence was that I had some suspicions. His sudden vote on my seemed a little odd. Immediately pulling it off again when I commented, is suspicious unless he really hadn't realized that out me at L-1 and didn't want me there. Which is possible, but he didn't really explain.
What he's since said about Sensfan sounds alright, though Sensfan's post 141 made a lot of sense too. So I don't have enough to change to either of them. Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.

[TheBrie]

We want to hear your thoughts on people. Not Huntress' thoughts.

Take a stance. Who is most likely to be Scum based on everything so far?

Why don't you want to know what Huntress thinks? I do, and I was replying to her post. I also said in that post that you, Loopdan and Echo seemed most scummy.
Huntress is also a possibility.

Rask sounds town. Lucca and Selynee, could be too, though they have been a bit quiet to tell.
Frederick is probably town too, from reading games I get the impression he's erratic generally.

[TheBrie]

And in Fred's case, games means the only one he's played here before.

[TheBrie]

@Selynee I am thinking more and more that Echo is scum, but I wasn't certain back then. I wanted to get a read out of Huntress too. I wasn't convinced by her, but Rask and your reasoning sounds good. I'm not preoared to put him at L-1 quite yet though.

Among my suspcions I'm not finding good pairings though. Huntress and Echo is a no way. Huntress has srayed steady in Echo and dine lirtle else. Echo's case on Sensfan makes that pairing almost as unlikely. Sensfan Huntress could maybe work. There's been little interaction between them. Or there could be someone else who's escaped suspicion.

And I agree that Loopdan's actions don't makes sense for scum. Not that they make any sense as town either.
UNVOTE:

[TheBrie]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

[TheBrie]

And that's L-1. Echo, any reasons we shouldn't lynch you?

[TheBrie]

@Fred-- I was focused on sorting Brie.

If by sorting me you mean helping me realize that people could really think I was guilty, or just trying to read me by my reactions, then thank you. I needed that. I had fallen into a stupid logical fallacy that only bad people could a accuse an innocent. I still find you utterly confusing though and don't like you.

[TheBrie]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

At least he's trying.

What do you mean by that, Fred? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[TheBrie]

@Sensfan, why are you so eager to hammer?
I'm more comfortable with waiting a few days as Loopy planned.

[TheBrie]

My phone keyboard refused to let me type morte but I'm back at my computer now. We've still got 6 days might be able to figure out more int that time.

The one problem I have with Echo being scum is that I can't figure out who he's working with. My other scum signals come from Sensfan and Huntress. Unless Echo and Sensfan are doing a great job of bussing one another there's someone else we haven't picked up on yet.

Fred is unlikely, but possible. Selynne is the only other one who's not going for Echo, but she's my second strongest town read.

[TheBrie]

I'm not sure I like how you ask lucca about it as if it was partially his fault though

"hold on and wait" really doesn't seem malicious and arguing it was intended to get the hammer down doesn't sound fair.

I agree. Lucca said clearly to wait. Though perhaps if he really wanted to make sure he should have unvoted.

I'm more than half inclined to vote Sensfan now for not waiting, but I'm not sure Scum would draw attention to them-self like that. Though in that case drawing attention to yourself might trick us into thinking you're not scum. So I dunno. It's hard when you can come up with a way anyone could be scum or town.

[TheBrie]

If Rask is scum then Rask is brilliant. They're my strongest town read. But I Think Rask is good either way.

And Selynee was my second strongest townread, though that was more of a gut feeling.

[TheBrie]

@Huntress I second Loopdan. As an IC I would have expected more from you. I've also read in other games that you find it awkward being scum and IC.
Also Echo's main reads were on Sensfan and Huntress. Just because he was town of course doesn't mean he was right, but it does mean he wasn't just making stuff up to appear active.

VOTE: Huntress

[TheBrie]

What's been so hard about this game? I'm finding it getting a bit harder now that every one seems to be cross-voting. but before it didn't seem bad.

knew it was coming.

finally somebody votes me. was starting to get lonely.

That sounds like you're trying to laugh your vote off. As if it's not a big deal. Not that it is very big yet.

I never said that Huntress was scum. I said that I was thinking that maybe the only scum vote on that wagon was Huntress.

I think I know what you means, but that sounds rather contradictory.

Reads now:
Loopdan, likely town
Selynee, likely town, but not as strongly as before
Fred, null. He hasn't said enough for me to read him, but my gut says not scum
Rask, sounds town, but I'm not sure.
Sensfan, Null. leaning slightly town
Huntress, slightly scummy and I don't see any reason to shift my vote.
Lucca, leaning slightly scummy

[TheBrie]

But a very uncertain scummy. And changing one read affects how I see all the rest.

[TheBrie]

The list isn't perfectly in order unfortunately. I have as much reason, though it's entirely different, to vote Huntress.

Fred hasn't said enough lately to lean my null either way. Maybe I've got as much of a reason to suspect Fred for being quiet as I do huntress, but it's a gut feeling that I can't explain. If he goes on not saying anything useful I'll take that as scum for certain.

[TheBrie]

@Sickofit I'm figuring you can't see what your predecessor saw in Rask? And since you're of a different opinion, why haven't you changed your vote?

A BP shouldn't claim, because if there is a BP, there could be a jailkeeper who could have blocked the Mafia. And doctors almost never want to claim.

@Loopdan you put Rask as backup town then a little later said Rask was more likely scummy. I admit I'm uncertain on Rask too, but could you explain that? Also where is your town read on Sensfan coming from?

Lucca is now seeming more scummy than Huntress.
VOTE: Lucca

[TheBrie]

@Loopdan you put Rask as backup town then a little later said Rask was more likely scummy. I admit I'm uncertain on Rask too, but could you explain that? Also where is your town read on Sensfan coming from?

Rask is null. I included Rask in the possible scum list not because Rask looks scummy, but from POE after I started TRing sickofit.

What's POE?
And you still haven't answered about Sensfan. I'm nulling at him now.

I'm reconsidering Frederick now. I was ignoring him before because his played seemed similar to the game I read in which he was Cop. Realizing that's probably not a good idea. Now we're in the second day, he hasn't given indication of anymore usefulness. I'll have to think him over more.

[TheBrie]

@Huntress-- Why aren't you answering 356? Who are your town reads?

Why do you need to know? I don't often do full read lists in the first Day or two of a game, but at the moment my town reads are basically everyone who I'm not calling scum.

Scum often prefer not giving townreads as it limits their lynch options. You have noticeably not offered TRs.

Yet in contrast, Fred has given town reads. I'm not saying he's town, but it's going to be hard for him to consistently lynch anyone other than Sensfan. While if he's trying to be invisible and let us kill each other, it's not working too well.

One thing I'll say for certain is that if Fred is scum, Sensfan is pretty clear. While if we lynched Lucca and he was scum, it'd be harder to pick up his partner.

[TheBrie]

Brie seemed to disappear since she stopped getting pressured. Where are you?

I've been a bit busy in real life and haven't had much to add. Other than more people voting Fred, not much has happened.
But if I have anything potentially useful, I will post.

The way Fred and Sensfan have been at each other feels too real to be bussing. I haven't noticed much between Rask and Fred.

[TheBrie]

Not saying it wouldn't clear Rask either, jusr was thinking about Sensfan.

[TheBrie]

Yay let's lynch Sensfan together Rask <3

Does this mean you think Fred isn't scum? Or have you given up on Lucca? Or are you unsure about all of them?

[TheBrie]

Actually WTF

Even if that was true
If you wanted to react test to see if scum would point out your hammer was misdone that would imply thinking echovision was town WHILE lynching him

If Echo had been scum, couldn't the other scum still have reacted to the misdone hammer? I don't get what you're saying.

That said I'm wouldn't buy that it was intentional if not for the fact I would realize id I'd done something like that and fix it immediately.
Though maybe it was an accident to start with and he decided to leave it. Not that me posting the idea helps matters. It's too late for him to take a different story.

[TheBrie]

Now I know you're lying. This is 100% not true. Half my posts are like this. Not even saying about my ongoing games.

My two completed games, in which I was both town, I did this half my posts.

Maybe not exactly half, but post like that do seem pretty standard for Lucca. That alone isn't enough to call him scum.

I'm going to have to read back and remember why I was voting Lucca. But since he's not about to be lynched and I'm not certain enough to jump to another wagon I'll leave it as it is 'til I have.

[TheBrie]

Strangely my Lucca vote wasn't actually spurred directly by Lucca doing something scummy. It started with his reaction to the first vote on him, but I stayed on Huntress then. A little later Huntress had some posts that made her sound less scummy so I swapped. Also Sickofit came in with various accusations against Lucca which strengthened my reasons. (Partly because I had a town read for Selynee) Lucca certainly isn't cleared yet in my mind, so I'll stay there until further developments.

[TheBrie]

Oh and @sickofit, your avatar is more annoying to me than Fred's. Maybe not epilepsy causing, but I hate animated gifs. Particularly coloured fast paced ones. Loopdan's isn't so bad.

[TheBrie]

Strangely my Lucca vote wasn't actually spurred directly by Lucca doing something scummy. It started with his reaction to the first vote on him, but I stayed on Huntress then. A little later Huntress had some posts that made her sound less scummy so I swapped.

Also Sickofit came in with various accusations against Lucca which strengthened my reasons

. (Partly because I had a town read for Selynee) Lucca certainly isn't cleared yet in my mind, so I'll stay there until further developments.

strengthened reasons for what?

Reasons for thinking Lucca was scummy. Your reads seemed to make sense.

[TheBrie]

@ Sickofit:

Those posts of lucca's listed in 456 would be a useful tell if they weren't followed up, but they were, every time, so why are you taking them out of context?

Good point. I think it is just playstyle. I've still got my eye on him though.

I wonder if Fred is going to show up anytime soon.

[TheBrie]

What about his reads seemed to make sense?

You were acting a bit weird. But with the way you have been acting lately it's starting to make less sense.

[TheBrie]

So I put Fred at L-1. Then all hell breaks loose with accusations and votes moving around.

Yeah, I feel pretty good about the Fred wagon. If Fred is town I don't think the game loses focus off him like that. And if Fred flips scum, we need to examine the last couple pages Tomorrow.

Quoting myself because it is important.

I'm concerned with how Rask moved from Fred to Sens and then unvoted Sens shortly thereafter without moving back to Fred. With no stated read change on Fred.

I want to flip Fred.

Makes sense. I still don't like lynching without hiving him a chance to defend himself, but a replacement will only make matters more confusing in his case.

VOTE: Frederick That's L-1.

@Loopdan I'm figuring you're partly doing it to get a read on Rask. What do you expect to find out either way he flips?

[TheBrie]

Whether or not Rask is scum, the way the counter-wagons sprung up so fast after Fred was put at L-1 is telling.

Is telling of what? I'm afraid I'm missing something important in strategy.

[TheBrie]

Sobolev Space made as good an entry as could be expected. Liked it better than Sickofit's. But he was replacing into an easier spot and had less pressure. I would be not want to be in Space's position.

I thought about unvoting temporarily, but I don't think anyone will want the heat from quick hammering amd the benefits of a Fred flip, if they do, haven't vanished.

[TheBrie]

I'm not really saying that there was anything wrong with your entry. Someyhong just rubbed me the wring way.

And what I mean about Space is that

she

didn't sound at all nervous. Especially since we'd talked if lynching before we got a replacement. There is 20 pages to read through.
I would have expected her to have something to say by now.

[TheBrie]

@Loopdan About what I said on Space's entrance. I realize that could be a bit confusing. Comment abou the 20 pages was relating to why the first post was insubstantial. I should have separated the second part. It was past when she said she would be caught up.
But I still think she's worth a chance.
UNVOTE:

[TheBrie]

@Sobolev (which name do you prefer btw? Space is easier to type on the phone.)

I've looked at Fred's other game and he did better in it than this one. If you want to understand him, read it yourself. I'm going to go read your game. Wish people could do the same for me.

[TheBrie]

I assume that was aimed at me?

Yes, it was. I even went back to check right before I typed it. Not sure how that happened. I need to concentrate more.

[TheBrie]

What information do you expect to gain from a lucca flip?
What about a Sens flip?

more especially the lucca wagon because of the general iffiness around it. If they flip town i think we can find the scum, and if they flip scum i bet we can find the other scum

Depending on which way he flips, who do you think the scum will be? Or is that something you shouldn't be saying as it will influence people's actions?

[TheBrie]

Can I get some clarification on my first question in that post?

I'm really confused here. Literally all that she said was "Don't lynch me" with nothing at all of substance. How did you get from that 'Nice entrance; didn't sound at all nervous'?

Gut feeling. And she didn't say anything stupid. But I'll be careful to try to not forget she is the same slot as Fred who I was ready to lynch for information. I'm afraid I'm not getting a good perspective on most players.

[TheBrie]

I'm waiting patiently for Sobkev to vote lucca.

Why do you think she's likely to do that? What mind of read are you getting out of her?
If you think Luca is scum, then you must be seeing her/Fred as town, or you wouldn't expected her to vote for him.

[TheBrie]

My top scum reads in no particular order are Sickofit and Lucca in no particular order.
I'm TRing Huntress and Sensfan ant the moment, but not strongly.
I've got no good reason to see Rask as scum so that's town.
Loopdan is my strongest townread.

And as for Sobolev/Fred, I think that lynch would bring a lot of information and Fred was problematic and a bit scummy. Sorry Sobolev, I actually rather like you, but I'll hammer in two days. Give your up to date reads and claim if you think it will help.

@Anyone with experience, am I doing the right thing here? Would it be better to hammer sooner or ask for anything else?

[TheBrie]

Unless he does something REALLY bad today, Soblev is NOT our lynch for today.

Why not? Don't you like what we might find out?

[TheBrie]

Brie what's your sensfan read based on?

It's kind of more of a null. His behavior lately has seemed a bit more towny, and I think scum is more likely in other places. But if it isn't I'm certainly having another look at him.

[TheBrie]

@Lucca I've given my town reads since then. Fid that post.

And I'm actually scum reading Lucca less and less lately. I think Sickofit is one of the scum and should be the next lynch. Maybe.

I went through Sobolev/Fred and Sickofit/Selynee's interactions to see how likely that scum team was.

Spoiler:

Selynee RSVs Fred.
Selynee unvotes Fred saying she doesn't have any particular reason to think he's scum and he's hard to read.
Fred acts strangely, but ignores Selynee.
They continue to ignore one another.
Sickofit gives very little opinion on Fred.
Sobolev lists Sickofit as a scum read, but doesn't do much to push him.
Sickofit ignores Sobolev until telling me not to hammer her.

In short they're not a likely team, but not impossible.

[TheBrie]

Well that makes me more suspicious of Sickofit's request for the BP to claim if there was one. Sounds like he knew something about the set up. and he he was town I doubt he'd ask for such information.

This is of course working on the assumption that Sobolev is claiming correctly. She could just be picking up BP as a good claim because of what Sickofit said.

If she is BP I'm guessing we're in the Roleblocker, Jailkeeper set up, and it was the jail keeper that prevented a kill. Because why would have scum tried to kill Fred?
Also there's only two setups with a roleblocker, which would make it easier for scum to guess the layout.

[TheBrie]

I'm figuring that with this game a dead confirmed BP would be better than a live uncertainty?
And dead scum is always best case.

[TheBrie]

I'm going to give a summation of my reads.
I'm a little confused. That soft CC was a lie? How do we know that?
One odd thing that strikes me is that scum mustn't think Rask is a PR, or that would have been the NK.
Also Town!Rask wouldn't have known for sure that Sobolev was scum. If Sobolev had flipped BP, that'd be certain lynch for Rask.
Likewise I don't understand all of what Sensfan said. But Sens couldn't be the other scum.
No reason to think Loopdown isn't town.
Lucca doing the hammer doesn't say much either way. Soblolev was going to be dead either way. And, yes I would have hammered as Rask said to if I'd been online.
I was completely surprised by the Sickofit flip. His attitude had irritated me and I'm afraid I wasn't objective enough. Besides he thought Sobolev was a bad lynch and that Lucca was the right lynch. We've also got to reconsider Selynee's odd vote for Rask. I'm guessing that was from her findings as tracker, but she wasn't sure it was good or bad.
And I had a little look through Huntress's interactions with Fred. Except that she put the first vote in him for D2, she's not pushed him. And that vote probably isn't strange with an experienced player with a bad partner.

I'm wavering between voting Huntress and Rask now.

[TheBrie]

I think it's likely Sick tracked Fred/Soblev night one and Soblev didn't do the kill attempt.
I think scum thought ^those posts weree Sick saying he doc'd Soblev and that's why scum NK'd Sick.

That makes sense.

[TheBrie]

My phone was malfunctioning last night so I couldn't post, but I had an idea similar to Huntress. I thought it unlikely due to Sickofits lack of suspicion of Rask.
I still think the idea that he found out something night one about Fred/Sobolev makes sense. Or rather found nothing.
But the only ways he could have found something on both Rask and Sobolev is if a) the theory Rask had about a 50-50 guess between two remaining suspects (but I'm not sure why Rask would be a suspect then) ; or b) Rask protected Sobolev N1 and there was no NK submitted. Neither of which actions makes sense. No one would protect Fred.

It makes more sense to track Fred, or another scummy looking person anyway.

Now I'm left wondering where Sick's push to lynch Lucca came from? Lucca being tracked is possibly, but it doesn't fit with the rest of our ideas.

[TheBrie]

Loopdan, of the other players who do you think is most likely to be scum?

I'd like to know that too.

[TheBrie]

Could Sicks request for BP to claim be an attempt to sort his results. Maybe he wanted to know if his target had protected someone or it was the failed NK.

If Rask is town, then the scum had to be someone clever enough to pick up that Sickofit was a PR. It couldn't have been random, or they would have picked Rask off just in case. Unless the other scum was a really stupid player. But they would have outed themself.

For now I'll wait gor more discussion and look through some other people.

[TheBrie]

Accidentally didn't post. I'm busy now. Will reply later.

[TheBrie]

Remember that Sicko wanted to know if a BP was hit? Because he tracked someone and was in doubt if he was the Doc or was scum.

Exactly.

[TheBrie]

Sicko thought Rasko was the doc. You can read the underlines on his posts. Observe that in no post Sicko tries to read Rasko. He thought 100% that Rasko was the PR, probably because of Rasko reaction to Selynee's vote on him.

Makes sense.
One question though, Lucca. Back on page 17 you said a Fred lynch would clear Rasko more than it would clear Sensfan. Why was that again and what do you think now?

Also if Rask is doc, who would you scum read?

[TheBrie]

But I think Rask is the scum.
That question is just in case we've got something wrong and need information the next day.

[TheBrie]

So how long do we wait around before hammering? Reading other games hasn't helped me figure out what to do in this situation, so I have no idea what's most usrful.

[TheBrie]

Also how long can I be V/LA without needing to be replaced?
I want to finish the game, but, starting in 4 hours, I might not be able to post till Friday.
If I haven't posted by Monday morning US time, you'll know I can't get on.
So ask me any questions you need now.

[TheBrie]

@Lucca, why do you think Sickofit had you as his top scum read?

[TheBrie]

Lynching now is probably a good idea.

I think I follow what you're saying with the mass doc claim. We'll know who the real doc is if they're killed and have a confirmed innocent. And if the scum misses, the doc can claim the next day.
Are you saying that's an alternative to lynching anyone, or a safe guard in case we miss?

What order do we claim?

I'll check back in an hour to see of anyone else has said anything.

[TheBrie]

This quote by Huntress feels like once Sobolev had a good answer, she would've switched her vote to Loopdan. But if things didn't work out, she would be voting Fred.

Nope. That quote was me saying that I had been prepared to give Sobolev time as she had just replaced in, but that post 503 had confirmed my scumread on that slot.

I think scum thought ^those posts weree Sick saying he doc'd Soblev and that's why scum NK'd Sick.

How does this fit in with the lack of a kill night one? Because obviously Fred wasn't the target so scum would know that wasn't the case.

That makes sense.

How does it make sense?

It doesn't actually now that you've pointed out the flaw.

It's beside the point anyway. I don't believe that anymore. I agree with Lucca that scum must have picked up that Sick was a tracker.

[TheBrie]

I protected Loopdan.

[TheBrie]

Um I forgot to say who's next. Sensfan since you seem to be around. Though if Loopdon happens along now, he can go next. I know he's town.

[TheBrie]

Um what was that?
I was under the impression Rask was an experienced player. But now, I don't even...

[TheBrie]

Well I didn't expect to win that quickly.

[TheBrie]

Very interesting. And it's a good thing Loopdan was bulletproof and I wasn't the doctor. Because I probably wpuld have protected Selynee. Or maybe even Rask. But it was obvious from Day 2 that Loopdan was the only one I could have confirmed innocent.
One the other hand we would have killed Rask D2 then and still picked Fred up.

[TheBrie]

I probably wouldn't have been convinced Rask was scum if Selynee hadn't voted before she disappeared. You did well Rask. And thanks for ending the game while I was still around.

Good game everyone.

[TheBrie]

credits to Huntress actually. If she didn't point that out, probably she's the one lynched.

What you said.