Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)
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In post 9, Smithereens wrote:I've been dealt a scummy modifier whose only modifier is to make me look suss so Ima claim it now, avoid difficulties later. I have a gravedigger flavour. If you see me visiting literally everyone who dies in the night, don't be alarmed. I'm not satan.
I got a scummy modifier too but it's not terribly likely to come into play so I'm not going to claim it at this point.-
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In post 25, davesaz wrote:I see it as protown to claim modifiers which could have bad effects
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In post 24, lane0168 wrote:Mental note that 2 people have modifiers to negate investigative. Anyone else?
At persivul, if you claim your modifier, does it hurt town? Because if not claiming had the potential to hurt town, and claiming doesn't, I'm wondering why you didn't just claim it
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In post 54, Kraeg wrote:
Here are the list of discards:
1. Frozen Angel - Survivor
2. Almost50 - Vanilla Cop
3. Smithereens - WerewolfRoleblocker
4. Wednesday_ - MafiaJailkeeper
5. Starbuck - Hider
6. Radiant Cowbells - Bodyguard
7. Jackal711 - Vanilla Townie
8. Ranger - Werewolf
9. Persivul - FBI Agent
10. lane0168 - Cult Leader
11. BlackStar -Cop
12. Flubbernugget - Tree Stump
13. Davesaz -Double Voter
Several good roles got tossed, most notably Cop and Double Voter.
Blackstar, why did you toss Cop?-
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In post 56, Ranger wrote:Second off, to make a request: I want everyone to list the cards they got on the first draw, along with what their decision from those cards was.
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In post 58, BlackStar wrote:I made a mistake the second time that I chose a combination and in order to keep this role the mod had to change my first choice to cop.
I'm kinda doubting that mod changed one of your cards. However, mod did things a little different by supplying the possible combinations from the deal. This made things easier in one sense, but for some people (me included) a particular role/alignment combination could be made with either of two cards for the alignment. I specified my discard to mod. I don't know what happened if people didn't specify. That may have something to do with what you're saying. Or not.-
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In post 65, BlackStar wrote:Maybe I'm not explaining it right. I chose my first card and then on the second card I chose one of the combinations instead of another card because I didn't really understand what I was supposed to do. In order for me to keep that role, the mod switched the choice I made on one of my cards so that I could keep the role that I wanted. I don't know that made it clearer.
I think I get it. Why didn't you want to be a cop?-
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In post 67, Wednesday_ wrote:Ranger conf town - 1 post
Smithers eager town? - 4
Flubber paranoid town? - 7
Persivul trying to blend in - 15
Frozen angel gut town read - 19
Almost 50 hard to read - 3
Cowbells null - 1
Blackstar noob town? - 4
Thats all I hav so far
Number of posts added above. No mention of:
lane - 5
davesaz - 2
Starbuck - 1
So how do you get conftown on Ranger from 1 post, but don't even mention lane at 5?-
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In post 70, Wednesday_ wrote:VOTE: persivul
How about instead you try an figure out my alignment as that is what is most relevant wouldn't you agree?
OK, based on conf towning ranger from a single post I'll read you as scummy.
VOTE: Wednesday-
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What did you choose?-
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In post 76, BlackStar wrote:Clairvoyant
I had that option this deal. I had to look it up. It would be helpful to town but not much fun - one reveal and you're a VT going forward.-
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In post 77, Wednesday_ wrote:Ranger is conf town bc of miller claim.
Why does a miller claim make her conftown? Is that a general rule for you, or something specific to Ranger?-
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In post 74, davesaz wrote:I would have thought that Miller is a role, not a modifier. But upon checking the setup I see that there is in fact a 1/75 chance to get miller as a modifier to another role.
By noting the odds are you implying that you're skeptical of the claim?-
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In post 81, Wednesday_ wrote:
Is it not for you? I have yet to see scum do it. Show me a game where scum have claimed
Miller I'll reconsider.
So you're an alt.
Regarding miller, I've yet to see one. Regarding past experience, are you referring to games like this with a deal, or standard games? Typically scum aren't millers. In this setup, where scum could indeed draw a miller modifier...what would be the downside to claiming it?
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In post 86, RadiantCowbells wrote:FA's the kind of person who is highly liable to have chosen a scum role.
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In post 95, davesaz wrote:In post 41, lane0168 wrote:I almost picked vanilla townie. Not picking one shot cult leader was easy
Especially considering the cult cards were supposed to be removed from the game.
Spreading misinformation to hide the scum card you actually picked?
VOTE: lane0168
Mod changed that on the second deal. Check one of the early posts, that rule is still there but struck out IIRC.-
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In post 123, Wednesday_ wrote:In post 122, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why do YOU want him dead.
Jealousy. Hatred. He chested on me the bastard.
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VOTE: Almost50
5, 14, 15 - awkward entrance, comments on Kraeg's modding are unnecessary and feel forced
88 - Another unnecessary comment about the game, answers Ranger, meta scum read on RC
185 - IIoA - yes, I also disagree with Ranger about the desirability of hider and bodyguard, but going into it at length without then using it to pressure someone makes you appear active without advancing the game
186 - More IIoA regarding voting protocol
187 - English isn't FA's native language, seemed apparent to me she was noting that the setup allows for multiple anti-town factions. If you really thought this was a scum slip, you would have voted her or kept up the pressure.
189 - backs off on RC, makes proactive excuses for lack of reads
193 - more IIoA on voting protocol-
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In post 181, Wednesday_ wrote:In post 177, Wednesday_ wrote:In post 173, Ranger wrote:Also, I think I want to update my list.
{Smithereens, Wednesday, Frozen Angel}
{Flubbernugget,blackstar }
{lane0168, davesaz}
{Jackal711 - null}
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{Persivul, radiant cowbells, Starbuck -null}
{Almost50}
I'm almost willing to move BlackStar and lane up a tier, but I need a little more from them to be sure.
That is where I'm at.I don't think we are gonna get almost50 lynched today based on reading their entry post. Persivul seems like the type to just role over and die, cowbells maybe, I don't even know what a starbuck is...
For certain though I'll vote when necessary. And be my usual self until hanging time. I feel like I know something; it pertains to blackstar unsure whether to say it
Uh, are you saying you have the exact same reads as Ranger?
If not, what does the bolded mean, coming right after the quoted post?
Why does 5 preclude an Almost50 lynch today?
You'll vote when necessary, but just hang out until then?
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In post 203, RadiantCowbells wrote:not omgussy but chainsawy, I think.
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In post 231, Wednesday_ wrote:You're being paranoid dave. Thats town right? Ranger is that town?What I get paranoid about is scum trying to mess with obvious townies.
Are you referring to yourself as obvtown? If not, who are you referring to?-
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In post 237, Ranger wrote:
We're masons, duh.davesaz wrote:Still begs the question, they're both on top of each other's lists.
Masons aren't in the setup.
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In post 242, Wednesday_ wrote:Can confirm am a mason with ranger :^)
Mason...isn't...in...the...setup.
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia-
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Instead of clicking on the link from mod's post, they probably just looked up Greater Idea Mafia and came to this page, which DOES include masons:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia
But, mod linked toModifiedGIM, which does NOT include masons.
Unless mod comes in and says he fucked up and used a different list than what he linked to, this calls for anautolynch of Ranger and Wednesday.-
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In post 245, Frozen Angel wrote:Well. this is wierd ...
and gonna be one of the most stupid beautiful scum slips like ever if its actually a slip ...
VOTE: Ranger
Either they screwed up or mod did. I don't see what else it could be. And yeah, if it's a slip it's a classic.-
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I was thinking the same thing.-
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In post 269, Wednesday_ wrote:Ranger is town. No explanation is required from me as a justification is both unnecessary and silly.
How do you know that, since you're not masons?-
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In post 268, lane0168 wrote:Wednesday doesn't seem to be brushing it off as a joke. Seems more like scrambling to cover up the slip. I wish persivul would've played it out more to see if they stuck with the claim. Tough to decide what it really is
Yeah, looking back I should have, but with Wednesday's reaction and Ranger's previous Miller claim, I'm pretty comfortable with a Ranger lynch.-
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In post 276, Frozen Angel wrote:If its a lover or neighbor or something which relates you to Ranger its your last chance for claiming it ...
I considered those previously. Her panic suggests lover. Note however thatneither of those confirm the other as town, so those don't explain the immediate town reads on each other. Town!Ranger would certainly not give a free pass to a neighbor or lover.-
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In post 302, Frozen Angel wrote:Miller modifier has nothing to do with his alignment.
The point is that a cop investigation (if we have one) is rendered suspect by the miller claim. But if we lynch Ranger, we could possibly get a cop investigation on Wednesday.-
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In post 308, Smithereens wrote:I read that shit earlier as a joke, sorry Persivul.
No need to apologize. But if it was a joke, it STILL leaves unexplained the immediate strong townreads on each other.
On that note I'm still voting Wednesday.
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In post 362, Ranger wrote:
Or, you know, we could skip the part where we lynch town, then go, "oh, guess that means the other's scum, let's lynch them" and lynch aPersivul wrote:If both of you were joking, it was a stupid joke. We have to lynch one of you to find out. Since Ranger also claimed Miller, she's the best choice. If she flips green, you get read on your own merits going forward.secondtown, too.
Which is totally what will happen the moment you lynch me, since I'm the main defender of Wednesday.
I disagree. If one of you flips green, then as I said, the other will be read on their own merits. Why would we lynch Wednesday right after his main defender flipped green? That makes no sense.
And instead. Lynch Almost50, where we actually hadmomentumbuilding, before you decided to go all stupid on us and take avery obvious jokeat face value.
Seriously, do you think I would claim mason, under no pressure, with it being a serious claim, on D1? Who DOES that? It was a joke. The "duh" at the end should have said as much.
"Duh" isn't very obviously a joke. "Just kidding" is very obviously a joke. "Duh" could easily be a means to test the waters seriously while maintaining some level of deniability.
And if you're lynched and flipped green, Almost50 would be my next push, not Wednesday.
Theonlyacceptable action when someone claims they're your mason buddy and you aren't is to accept it. Town, scum, doesn't matter. Joke, gambit, it doesn't matter.
1. Why?
2. Why particularly if it was a joke?
Oh, I don't know, maybe Wednesday actuallyHow do you know that, since you're not masons?read my postsand didn't assign some superficial arbitrary scum definition off of a "slip" that was not serious? Maybe Wednesday took a look at what I was trying to do with the requests and realized that I was looking to hone in on mafia? Maybe Wednesday took a look at my scumreads and realized that I not only had good scumreads but good reasons to back them up?[/quote]
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In post 363, Ranger wrote:Since when?
I'm notorious for fluffing around backon my home site. Have to do SOMETHING when I'm not analyzing, after all.
By referring to your home site I take it you're admitting that you don't joke around here?
I've played with you more than once and ISOd a recent game. You're a very serious player.-
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In post 369, Ranger wrote:Wednesday, immediately out of the gate, produced strong reads in 67. It takes a lister to know a lister. I do listing. I know how it works and when it's town and when it's not. Wednesday's listing was immediately obvious to me: townreading me for all the effort I put into one post,
Except that's not true. You put very little into the one post - 56 - you had made before Wednesday's list in 67, and Wednesday said the read was based on the miller claim, not on the effort you put into the post.-
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In post 358, Smithereens wrote:Imo scum are generally greedy capitalistic pigs who jump like jews at the sign of profit.
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In post 285, lane0168 wrote:Hmm it might be better to vote Wednesday here. If we're wrong, Wednesday could just be trying to set himself for the "see! I told you he was town you idiots" whIle still being scum.
After Ranger's reaction (not great but better than Wednesday's) I agree. I'm not sure if the mason claims were serious or a joke, and Wednesday is scummier on his own merits.
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In post 401, Almost50 wrote:I got the impression Wednesday is Goodmorning, if that helps.
It helps me think that the two of you are scum. Putting goodmorning's name into it would likely relieve some pressure on Wednesday. Wednesday hasn't pressured you, and in fact said that she didn't think you could be lynched today rather early and with little cause, just citing your entrance.-
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In post 386, Ranger wrote:That is a misrep and you know it.
I'm NOTORIOUS on my home site for doing it.
That doesn't mean I don't do it here, it just means I'm not notorious for it here, because simply put I'm not well-known enough to have any sort of notoriety.
It's not a misrep. If you joke around here, I would think you would just show a couple examples from completed games. That makes much more sense than claiming notoriety for joking on another site.
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In post 401, Almost50 wrote:As for the Firefly game; it was a themed game myself and FA played in recently, and I was a flavoured day cop (so I did get to clear someone on D1). She was a mason partner of the person I cleared. I wanted to remind her of my role in that game for a "possible" explanation of how one of them (Wednesday & Ranger) reads the other, but I'm not sure how the other one did read them back.
If one of them were a day cop, why would they choose the other to investigate so early in phase? That doesn't make sense.-
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In post 362, Ranger wrote:And instead. Lynch Almost50, where we actually had momentum building, before you decided to go all stupid on us and take a very obvious joke at face value.
Wednesday tried to derail an Almost50 wagon right from the start. What do you think of that?-
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In post 407, Almost50 wrote:So, Ranger is scum bc she made a joke, and bc she's town reading Wednesday. Wednesday is scum for town reading Ranger and playing along with her joke, and -also- for not pressuring me (which I suppose is a prerequisite for town status. I mean; your PM must've read: to prove you're town you must pressure Almost). And now I'm scum based on Wednesday not pressuring me, while Ranger is scum reading me for distancing I suppose??
No, it's:
- You're scum for reasons given in 195
- Ranger is not scum, as she has been on you pretty consistently. BUT, I want to know why Ranger isn't concerned that Wednesday, her top town read, tried to nip a wagon on Ranger's top scum read in the bud (see next point).
- Wednesday is scum for several reasons, including the fact that: her top town read Ranger voted you, and in her first post after that (177) she tried to derail a wagon on you by saying "I don't think we are gonna get almost50 lynched today based on reading their entry post."
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