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Yo so, a couple things.
- I realized I can do 1 mini-normal + 1 mini-theme as pre-reqs. to doing large-themes (I thought I had to do mini+large normal) - so I want to take this flavor and switch it with something more basic/shorter (which I already have done and will post here shortly) and then use this flavor for the mini-theme.
- I do consider myself to have a good "vision" of how things play out with balance and am not as "off my rocker" with the setup as it may appear (run through some permutations)
- I knew this was going to be viewed as scum-heavy, here are some thoughts:
when there are more scum in the numbers, it makes associations that much more harder to hide for scum AND increases the odds of them getting lynched - this helps with the balance a lot. I'm very interested to try this # mix and see what happens if I can get it passed (with some role-tweaking to make it better still.)
I want to make the 1 mafia a roleblocker instead of jailer and make the 1 town prostitute into a jailer
part of the role make-up is because as a moderator one of my philosophies is:
keep things ambiguous: I don't want people to be able to figure out who is scum based on mechanical interactions, I want everything to be a question mark of uncertainty and just be interesting + fun to play (I don't like overly heavy power, but I like a lot of power-presence that negates itself.) My goal is usually to almost nullify the existence of power where it seems like it is useful, but it only goes so far (because I believe in the scumhunt.)
I am a mod who will troll players, use MODwifom, and make the players feel dumb for assuming things like they *know* them when they DON'T KNOW - that's why strongman modifiers and a bunch of blocking roles - there will be lots of "hits and misses" and no one will KNOW where they came from/how they happened
also, I want to be sure we're not mistaking balance for swinginess - I like a good deal of swing and think this can get mistaken for bad balance at times
another thought I had, because I knew that this would be viewed as scum-sided is (on top of the role-changes I mentioned) just throw town another VT and make it 14pbalance among all things-
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ya, as I typed the 14p I had that realization (dangit I want to be able to edit my posts!)
I was thinking the amount of wifom+trolling was minimal with the setup? Just a small taste for what is to come from me as a mod in the theme queues. It's just a bunch of kill-stopping roles, kind of fun I think? I really love the double-bodyguards.balance among all things-
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idea of having mafia doc+roleblocker is making them choose to be more defensive or offensive, since they can't use both
and to weigh their options of who does the kill or uses their ability vs. using strongman or not- it gives a lot of intriguing options to consider, and makes their choices matter/feel meaningfulbalance among all things-
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I can just change the hooker to roleblocker and leave the compulsive in place (thought hooker was equiv. to roleblocker so it didn't matter as the 1 "grey" permitted)
and I would love it to be approved for normalcy but not necessarily guaranteed balanced if that is acceptablebalance among all things-
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okay, yeah, that is part of the ambiguity with the wording
I always feel like I'm giving too much away otherwise because it's like do I say "attempt to kill a player" or "to kill a player" or what because I don't want them to assume 1.) that they are going to kill or 2.) that they might not succeed in their kill
ah yes, that is the sort of help I need for real (and what my assist mod will be there for for me) - is when to tell people what and what to actually tell them - that is where my noobness is really at its worstbalance among all things-
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I actually didn't think I'd be telling the jail if he succeeded, I just popped all that in there quickly to send off to nexus because I wanted to be thorough because it said "night action PMs" were needed
where it's MUCH easier for me to create the NightAction PMs after I have all the actions in and the resolves donebalance among all things-
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ease of reference:
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Jailer
3-shot Doctor
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2-shot Strongman Mafia Roleblocker - can't use strongman+RB on same Night
2-shot Strongman Mafia Doctor - can't use strongman+doc on same Night
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It's a cold night in October, 1923. The streets of Boston are a dark and dangerous place to be this time of night, but a group of "care-free" types roam the streets unaware of the night ahead about to unfold.
What started as soft rain just minutes ago has turned into a whipping, stinging rain, and a violent storm approaches fast. The care-free types are caught out in it and scurry fast down an alley and seek out the closest establishment with light in the window. When they burst in the energy of the group grows immediately tense. The newcomers stare at those already here, and those already here stare back.
Suddenly, a simultaneous flash of lightning and crash of thunder and veil of darkness is upon them all. Quickly someone lights a match and then a lantern with the match. They move light a few others across the room and before long the room is re-illuminated.
There is a scream from someone as they notice a dead hooker laying on the floor, a bullet through her chest. A man speaks in a loud voice.
"Which of you here did this?! You will pay with your life! She was a top trick! You must figure out who among you did this and tell me your decision. You have one hour!" He goes up a set of stairs and enters a room and shuts the door. You all hear it lock.balance among all things-
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1-shot BulletProof 3-shot Doctor
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BodyGuard
Compulsive BodyGuard
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2-shot Strongman Mafia Roleblocker - can't use strongman+RB on same Night
1-shot Strongman Mafia Doctor - can't use strongman+doc on same Night
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it's not about scum needing a roleblocker, it's about options and interesting interaction potentials, and fun for the players, without really affecting how it helps either team too much - it's main function will be adding to the increased chances that the vigilante or serial killer failbalance among all things-
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if they focus on the mechanics, town will fail
that is also how I think my setups will always be inherently
they need to scumhunt, first and foremost
I know smith and I talked about this and I know you think then I should just remove PRs and make them focus on it
but hey, 4VTs should be pullinig that weight no problem, with BGs who are supposed to put themselves out there a bit, soo, that is 6 villagers on the "front lines" getting hackedtopiecesbalance among all things-
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are you able to easily run through some Night-permutations? it's a hard thing for me to do because I don't have the experience with just "seeing" how all the NAs resolve, but I'm very curious to see at least 3 different permutations and see what happens
at game start it is 38% chance to lynch scumbalance among all things-
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pushing a wagon through to lynch becomes more sketch and more likely to have town analyze scum on it correctly after a flip, or even if they don't analyze the scum correctly, odds more often will favor them
"well someone was clearly scum on that wagon, maybe even 2" and so they start looking to lynch on the wagon and are simply more likely to get scum because of oddsbalance among all things-
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yeah, I'm really liking the 8v4v1 permutations I'm seeing and really want to try it that way and totally will give it a "accepted for normalcy but reviewers consider scumsided" sort of announcement
but I am not really convinced it is, actually, I like the balance quite a bit (:
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I'm loving it a bit
TOWN:
2-shot BulletProof JailKeeper
1-shot BulletProof 1-shot Strongman 2-Shot Vigilante
1-shot BulletProof Compulsive BodyGuard
BodyGuard
5VanillaTown
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2-shot Strongman 2-shot RoleBlocker - can't strongmanKill + RB on same Night }
1-shot Strongman 1-shot Doctor - can't strongmanKill + doc on same Night } groupscum -
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1-shot BulletProof 2-shot Strongman Serial Killerbalance among all things-
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might make it 1-shot BP JK instead of 2-shot BP
I really prefer x for all of the things - it's usual for my HS - it varies from mod to mod on there so there is no way to "confirm" really
2x-BulletProof JailKeeper
1x-BulletProof 1x-Strongman 2x-Vigilante
1x-BulletProof Compulsive BodyGuard
2x-Strongman 2x-RoleBlocker
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1x-BulletProof 2x-Strongman Serial Killerbalance among all things-
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smith, I want all of the WIFOM of the BPs+strongman shots mixed with the RB, JK, Doc stuff
"then you can take all the BPs off of the town PRs, which is both non-normal and unnecessary given that you'd give scum a huge # of strongman shots anyway, and you're left with"
it's non-normal? like it actually doesn't pass the setup anyway because that much isn't allowed in "normal" ? is that what you mean? or it's just not normal (like, I'm not normal)balance among all things-
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the powers aren't there for the sides to use to analyze and then win the game
the powers are there to build WIFOM to analyze and sort the truth from the lies so that who wins the game is either 1.) who is more skilled at deceit vs. 2.) who is more skilled at discovering the deceitbalance among all things-
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I'm really not trying to be difficult, I was hoping for some more fluid back and forth and argument about it all. I like discussing and poring over the shit, it's a passion, and nothing is personal so, let's just dig in to it. Tell me it's fucking stupid or just not happening in any sort of complexity that I have it or whatever and let me get on with it.
smith, I do want clarification if by "not normal" you mean in terms of actual guidelines (in which case please use the words "explictly not permitted" so I know because "normal" is such a poor term, and confuses me because of how I'm used to it being used on my HS [where games are either NORMAL or BASTARD and there's no greylists or whitelists or any shit like that])balance among all things-
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thank you so much!!! I just wasn't (still!!! fucking hell, d!) computing the fucking "non-normal" stuff. Even though I've read the fucking normal guidelines over half a dozen times!!! thank you for your patience and working with me, both of you
I'll retweak later and get an acceptable setup
definitely will just run this one closed with the appropriate role config. open setups bore me
compulsive BG is the role I want from the grey-list, hands down no doubtbalance among all things-
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TOWN:
3-shot JailKeeper
2-shot Vigilante
Compulsive BodyGuard
BodyGuard
5VanillaTown
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2-shot Mafia RoleBlocker
1-shot Strongman Mafia
Mafia Goon
1-shot BulletProof 2-shot Strongman Serial Killer - is the BP here non-normal as well? will remove it but I wasn't sure if the BPs that you said to take off were just town's or not
the compulsive BG is my non-normal one, that is not going to change, so yupbalance among all things-
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