Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

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norwee says im wrong on shea.
even though i think norwee take is pretty weak.
he is right that im not convincing anyone

UNVOTE:

be back later tonight gonna go play pickball

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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Don't be swayed. I pointed out that Titus' "plan" doesn't work, and Titus didn't respond to it, but moved me in her "reads".

This just feels personal at this point. Like wtf did I do to be met with this level of hostility other than focus scum? Honestly, you should have blacklisted me if you're town here.

i don't see how thats personal that drixx doesn't agree with u Titus.

Titus what am i supposed to do here just sheep on Klick?

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Eh maybe it is worth talking about even though FB will probably try to hammer me for more making up town reads.

im gonna take a minute to reset on u so im not going to argue ur just keeping ur options open. This game is hard for reads for myself and me expecting u having more firm reads is actually really unfair to u if ur town.
i don't feel ur in ur town game but my tunneling isn't helping me.

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i have way too many townreads so this is what im willing to do. I am only going to lock 5 players as no go zones for me in reads terms because i feel they are strong enough and i feel at worst case scenario im only wrong on one of them.

i will make that GIF, Titus, PB, Ircher, and StD

This gives me an elim pool of any of Black/Dunnstral/Kuribo/Shea/Klick/Frozen Angel/Drixx
and yes if i gave myself more room for townreads more than half of those i would say i don't want to eiim but i need cull the townreads and be more flexible here.

I know that with various mech reasons which i say is stupid and i don't care, Black and Kuribo aren't being elimmed today. So really Dunnstral/Klick/FA/Drixx and Shea and no one is interested in Shea. Seems like everyone wants Klick.

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I know you disagree but personally I think you're just not very good at reading me and if this is you reading me and not a fake push I'm extremely certain thats true.

my confidence in reading u has hit a big nose dive tbh

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VOTE: Klick

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I don't like klick fight with Titus.
Titus looks much better in this than Klick.

Is klick still town lean, yeah.
But this is getting ridiculous.

Shea to answer ur earlier question of why i am strong townreading Titus i think she is trying to solve this game with her setup strategy, i think she is trying best to work with town to get the best results for us and i think she believes what she is saying even if i don't understand it all the time. I think scum Titus would be more willing to let town do w/e here instead of fighting for her strat of game. Maybe voice it but not push it so strongly or care about trying to get everyone on her page. It wouldn't be worth it to her to ensure we follow her strategy if she is scum unless she saw a huge benefit of leading us down a really bad path which i don't see where that is.

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also on a personal thing i see incoming
if klick is scum he is gonna keep me around for a potential mislim
if titus is scum she is going to keep me around because im the fool.

And I think playing the fool is better than the mislim.
So I am team titus.

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how you doin Drixx

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also on a personal thing i see incoming
if klick is scum he is gonna keep me around for a potential mislim
if titus is scum she is going to keep me around because im the fool.

And I think playing the fool is better than the mislim.
So I am team titus.

you're gunna be NKd to frame me regardless.

Doubtful

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For Titus
VOTE: dunnstral

wouldn't u be voting klick if it was for titus

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i got the caterer role btw

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So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

Still waiting for your PoE

FB
FA
Titus
GiF
Klick

is this her hint that she was gonna target me...

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feels like it was supposed to be klick that black went to and it rnged to me

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targeting fb makes no sense.

she literally had me in a poe pile.
so while i think its not likely i don't see how u say it makes zero sense

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feels like it was supposed to be klick that black went to and it rnged to me

I feel like you want me to be scum and are letting yourself fall into that conclusion without proper conviction

why would i want u to be scum

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HI PINKIE

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i don't see how that is me wanting u to be scum other than i don't see how ur not scum through a PoE. Like it feels like ur rewriting how a PoE works to be something we want rather than what we see as the game right now.

I actually want Shea to be scum here so i can say i was right yesterday.
But I am also skeptical and feel like my PoE is terrible and i don't like it nor how i think scum are sneaking in my townreads.

My PoE is def not something i want here.

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I don't think there's a reason I'd be a more likely target than anyone else in that PoE in particular

If anything, I think it's likely Black had someone in mind before D2 ended, wanted me eliminated, and wouldn't decide to change her desired target to me upon Titus getting eliminated instead of me

Dude how can u not see it.
U were the other leading wagon yesterday. If there was someone i would want confirmed from yesterday it would 100% be you.

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Now you are just playing dumb

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of course scum could have killed black as a way to make u look sus in hopes black wouldn't visit u and visited someone else in PoE but im trying to really see how thats the case

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are we having an actual conversation because i feel like im talking to a sound board

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of course scum could have killed black as a way to make u look sus in hopes black wouldn't visit u and visited someone else in PoE but im trying to really see how thats the case

I think scum kill Black here in most realities!
It's incredibly pro-scum to not actually have the previous Caterer around to explain things

umm black is never high up in my kill list. But what do i know. Feysal kill made so much more sense. This kill just looks like either a frame on u or u trying not get gulitied by Black saying she tried targetting u and someone else got the role.

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So what happens if a caterer targets scum?

it rnges to someone else. Which in my theory is me.

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I also think you make a reasonable amount of sense as that kind of target

If you hold this opinion then you can't possibly even call me scum today. I hope you realize the dichotomy u just threw yourself in with this argument.

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You can't simultaneously argue that black actually would 100% mucho target me.
And maybe firebringer is scum guys.

Because since i got the role from black targetting me. That makes me town.

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'I think it makes a reasonable amount of sense for Black to have targeted you' is not 'Black would 100% target you'
Don't misrep me.

I hate mech but ur not this stupid so lets run through the scenarios of how what could have happened.

Ur saying it makes reasonable sene it could have went to me, and i claimed i have it. So in this world im 100% town.
In a world it was sent to someone else that person is 100% scum. Lets go through the list of people black had in POE

FB
FA
Titus
GiF
Klick

We know in this scenario it wasn't me so take me out, and it wasn't titus she dead. Then its either GIF or FA who is the scum if its not you.

So are you interested in going into those two or what. Because this took me 5 seconds to argue this

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If I take out Dunn and STD and Firebringer and the Lovers here's what I am left with

Drixx
Frozen Angel
GuyInFreezer
Pink Ball
Thestatusquo

didn't pink ball claimed to have given Black specifically caterer before she even claimed. That makes Pink Ball 100% town.

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id be amazed if someone counters

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kuribo did no one post in the lover PT yesterday. Can we get a confirmation on there was no other lover or what

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If I take out Dunn and STD and Firebringer and the Lovers here's what I am left with

Drixx
Frozen Angel
GuyInFreezer
Pink Ball
Thestatusquo

didn't pink ball claimed to have given Black specifically caterer before she even claimed. That makes Pink Ball 100% town.

No, it doesn't. Black strongly hinted at having the role ages before Pink Ball said anything. I think Pink Ball having the role originally as scum, it randomly going to Black, and Pink Ball claiming to have targeted Black is a viable theory.

How would Pink Ball know it went to Black?

because she claimed it first.

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But why would scum Pink Ball remove Black from the PoE?

because it removes himself too. But yeah i mostly agree. Unlikely to do this its more pro town move and the fact black has to be killed to prevent guilties now.

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But why would scum Pink Ball remove Black from the PoE?

Claiming to target Black convincingly enough sets PB up to endgame
Who cares if Black is removed from the PoE if it wins PB the game

not sure why u think scum!PB had a good reason to remove himself from the pool when he was never very strongly scumread to begin with. Think scumPB was in a good enough position that eliminating someone i would call pretty scummy imo (Black) was more + town points than any benefit gained from scum!PB.

But this is what i mean is how ur keeping too many options open to argue as many people as possible, i feel ur lim pool should be pretty small right now.

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No, Pink Ball was clearly hinting towards Black having the role they had on day 1 and was trying to get that info out of Black before Black claimed anything

quote me the posts of PB hinting he was giving the role to Black Day 1. I only saw a late claim on day 2 of pinkie confirming he sent to black. Which can read a bit post hoc.

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actually idk if this matters
pretty sure Pinkie is town regardless of which happened.

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Dunnstral.

U quoted posts that happened after the claim.

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i might be stupid but i can still look at post numbers and tell which happened before and what after.
2565 was before all the posts u just quoted

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I don't get how you can be sitting there going 'my PoE feels shit maybe it's wrong' while also going 'you're keeping options open your PoE should be smaller than 5 people'.

really because i think its plain as day that i want to limit the POE as much as possible and kick people out who i don't think is belonging in it or who should be in it. i would much rather just have a scumread

Whereas with u it feels like a deliberate attempt to keep the PoE open for business.

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theres lots of reasons to townread pinkie imo

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AND YES THATS ME OPENLY BUDDYING WITH YOU PINKIE

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It me

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FB are you willing to pick a target publicly today? The halfway outing shit is why Black dying hurt us here

i think i want to do thestatusquo the most
but probably frozen angel is better?

I will announce before end of day.

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I really hope Black didn’t target me, especially when I claimed commuter and said I will commute.

ur def not a commuter.
stop memeing

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i will never believe a GIF commuter claim again.

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GIf i can appreciate the gambit game. But I don't think anyone is taking any of it seriously

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instead of pretending "i didn't target anyone' is a claim of a role.
Just claim ur shit.

Ur claiming vanilla town on day 1 then?
Great, what were u yesterday.

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im sending the role to thestatusquo.
This will certainly be the best use of the role.

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i feel like the corrupt judge went to scum or not rnged back in the pool. No one claimed it day 2.

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VOTE: Frozen Angel

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i think theres a better chance im wrong on Klick than I am that Frozen Angel isn't just scum here.
I don't think she cares about scumhunting in this game at all and thats not at all just from her not having time to play imo. I also found the way she claimed and mindset around it to be scummy.

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idk tbh if klick is scum i see it more likely FA is town.
The way defending FA is such weaksauce arguments of calling her town that it seems kind of like a scum argument looking for reason to call FA town tbh

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I'm inclined to believe that FA genuinely doesn't understand the wider implications of the Caterer role?

And if scum killed Black surely the Caterer role would’ve been the hot topic in scum PT ain’t it

I agree

Is it viable that FA would not be keeping up with the scum PT?

Even if she can’t keep up herself her teammates could keep her posted

I've not seen evidence that the rest of FA's team is invested in this game at the level that they'd be keeping FA informed of role interaction

That tracks

I think FA's lack of awareness of the setup is more likely to come from town than from scum. I'm hesitant to say it never comes from scum, but I see it as a lot more likely to come from town.

I think it's pretty clearly genuine lack of awareness though.

i feel like these are arguments i would make up as scum to call someone town tbh

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Nothing Klick has done has really changed my mind he is scum.
Just the game vibe feels like completely decided on him and that means scum either are eager to buss to stop us getting interactions with Klick to sort his teammates or he is just town and scum are silently encouraging us to make a mistake.

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idk how that would not lead you to vote klick

im a contrarian

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I think the game vibe is one of which decided Klick must die. I don't see anyone pushing anyone in a serious manner.

So scum are at very least not defending Klick
which i guess why would they.

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So scum are at very least not defending Klick
which i guess why would they.

Well....except me. Cause im obvi scum

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If i just try to examine this day the only one Klick hasn't distanced with to me seems like Frozen Angel.
And when I see that I go...thats very intriquing. Why is that

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I would like for us to just eliminate scum rather than stall and drag out the day.

if you have the whole scum team nailed down. I am here listening
If you don't have the whole team. Then u can wait

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GIF im expecting better things from u.
Wth are u doing

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I wonder if SHea will die tonight because scum won't want him confirmed
Or if he is scum doesn't get caterer but tries to claim it because the chances are decent that it randos to his teammate or dead player that its decent enough thing to try?

Kind of excited for day 4 spice

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Imagine u don't get it because im scum lying though

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Does sound like a cool ending for a scum game for me.

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who is bussing out of PB/Kuribo/Shea/Ircher

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Are we still doing massclaiming btw

U going to admit ur not a commuter yet

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who is bussing out of PB/Kuribo/Shea/Ircher

I think you know I am not buying pbs clear sooooo.

i was more thinking out loud rather than asking u. I am having trouble seeing anyone bussing outside of you but im trying to mech clear u so i don't need to think about u till tomorrow.

Are we still doing massclaiming btw

U going to admit ur not a commuter yet

I can tell you that I'm not a commuter today.

YOU ARE NEVER COMMUTER

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YOU ARE NEVER COMMUTER

But Drixx confirmed my role for me as a commuter.
Eventually you'll just have to suck it up and just take it.

I reject that.
Ur both making shit up.
If the mod came in here and said ur a commuter. Then the mod lies.
NEVER BELIEVE A GIF COMMUTER

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GIf encouraging me to rush a day is such a different GIF from month ago lol

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I thought i was supposed to be the anti town player.
Stay in ur own lane bud

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I thought we were at E-3 but apparently we were at E-2

Not gonna fool me. I know its E-1

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I think FB would’ve liked being here and he will be mad for not being here

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Likewise.

VOTE: Klick
I'm not tactically using shit. Piss off.

On the off chance ur town here.
This is such a bad move to do. Very disappointed.

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I mean. Self voting while arguing with a scumread of yours or PoE scum to you.
Is pretty sillly to begin with

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It doesn't really move the needle much at all from what I can tell?

The game moves into ELO tomorrow if ur town.

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Great, lets take that argument and run with it.
This game day was opened within less than 24 hours ago.

How did you help the town by self hammering yourself that soon into the game day.
Do you think anyone is going to listen to your final takes?
Do you think you needed to self vote if ur going to ultimately be killed anyways?
Why self vote because of SHea if shea is scum? Aren't you playing into what he wants?

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Alisae thinks ur town right now and this just makes me more annoyed.
I should just shit post more

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scum played really well. Kind of upset about my day 1 interactions with dunnstral looking back at it.
Should have just hammered him home. Live and learn.

Shea got away with it and this will always be a reminder that i shouldn't lose focus

GG scum gr8 game. Especially pinkie/shea

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scum played really well. Kind of upset about my day 1 interactions with dunnstral looking back at it.
Should have just hammered him home. Live and learn.

Shea got away with it and this will always be a reminder that i shouldn't lose focus

GG scum gr8 game. Especially pinkie/shea

You're gunna be mad when you read the scum PT.

I deliberately baited you into scum reading me.

I mean i had suspicions of you since day 1. I just wasn't as vocal probably until you started baiting me

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i don't think shea or pink ball or even really any of the scum were ever in that much danger of being elimmed in this game.

Which im really surprised about because Frozen Angel just never seemed townie to almost anyone.
And dunnstral only got some mild pressure day 1.

Think thats just a testament to how good they played together so again. Good job

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also as a town we really fucked up to ensure all the claims were getting out each day and keeping track.

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OHH CAN I COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW I HATE THIS SETUP

not to take anything away from scum team. But yeah trash tier setup
not the reason we lost but i massively disliked it

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We thought it was massively townsided tbh.

It probably was.
But still trash

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i think the whole "scum can't use amnesiac roles" is like actually terrible design and this would be better without all the "ohh X can't be scum because they used X action" or that whole thing about lovers.

me not understanding just using my role n1 to confirm me is actually very funny to me in hindsight but also just tells me how bad this setup is.

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scum chat was enjoyable