Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Frozen Angel]

yea

[Thestatusquo]

We're starting to stagnate. I don't think we're discussing anything new at this point.

[Black]

So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

[Pink Ball]

So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

Still waiting for your PoE

[Klick]

So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

How about no?
I'm not even top wagon

[Klick]

I feel like there are legitimate issues with Titus' current mindset that are just kind of being ignored by a few people

Something particularly bothering me is that she is insistent on expressing a Shea townread for reasons that Shea himself has said are not valid methods of townreading him. There's no reevaluation or reconsideration from it, just continued insistence and finding ways to justify her position rather than evaluating it.

That's the case throughout today. She is trying to shove through her depiction of the game using brute force. Her potential scum are all the lowest hanging fruit she could possibly have - myself, Dunn, and then one of {STD, GIF, Drixx}. This is the safest possible position for someone who has no interest in evaluating her reads and every interest in pushing through an agenda.

There's no paranoia of Shea, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Firebringer, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Frozen Angel, who has a very strong scum game.
These are apparently the three 'obvious town' who she is basing her PoE on, along with the players who appear to be mech-clear. There's no real concern that one of these players could be getting past her. Because she's not actually attempting to solve for them - it's more convenient to call them town for now, and then when I flip town they're still there to stir up suspicion on in the later phases of the game. Because after all, they have really strong scum games, right?

It's really hard for me to believe that Titus has gotten to her current mindset through a genuine attempt at solving that isn't particularly surface-level.

[Black]

So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

Still waiting for your PoE

FB
FA
Titus
GiF
Klick

[Pink Ball]

VOTE: Titus

[Black]

I feel like there are legitimate issues with Titus' current mindset that are just kind of being ignored by a few people

Something particularly bothering me is that she is insistent on expressing a Shea townread for reasons that Shea himself has said are not valid methods of townreading him. There's no reevaluation or reconsideration from it, just continued insistence and finding ways to justify her position rather than evaluating it.

That's the case throughout today. She is trying to shove through her depiction of the game using brute force. Her potential scum are all the lowest hanging fruit she could possibly have - myself, Dunn, and then one of {STD, GIF, Drixx}. This is the safest possible position for someone who has no interest in evaluating her reads and every interest in pushing through an agenda.

There's no paranoia of Shea, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Firebringer, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Frozen Angel, who has a very strong scum game.
These are apparently the three 'obvious town' who she is basing her PoE on, along with the players who appear to be mech-clear. There's no real concern that one of these players could be getting past her. Because she's not actually attempting to solve for them - it's more convenient to call them town for now, and then when I flip town they're still there to stir up suspicion on in the later phases of the game. Because after all, they have really strong scum games, right?

It's really hard for me to believe that Titus has gotten to her current mindset through a genuine attempt at solving that isn't particularly surface-level.

I get the sense that Titus isn't putting a ton of effort into this game. It seems like she is dealing with IRL stuff and has retracted/second-guessed a lot of what she has put down. It's not like she has strong reasons for anything she's doing, or at least that's the vibe I'm getting. It feels more like checked-out townie with a bit of ego preventing them from admitting this. Idk though. Like I keep saying I'm having a hard time reading Titus. You are both in my lim pool. You just happen to be more charismatic and I think that will be the deciding factor in these competing wagons

[Klick]

If she isn't putting in effort and doesn't have strong reasons for what she's doing, why is she throwing her weight around like her reads have authority?

[Klick]

(My answer to that is that she has an agenda that supersedes reads)

[Titus]

I feel like there are legitimate issues with Titus' current mindset that are just kind of being ignored by a few people

Something particularly bothering me is that she is insistent on expressing a Shea townread for reasons that Shea himself has said are not valid methods of townreading him. There's no reevaluation or reconsideration from it, just continued insistence and finding ways to justify her position rather than evaluating it.

That's the case throughout today. She is trying to shove through her depiction of the game using brute force. Her potential scum are all the lowest hanging fruit she could possibly have - myself, Dunn, and then one of {STD, GIF, Drixx}. This is the safest possible position for someone who has no interest in evaluating her reads and every interest in pushing through an agenda.

There's no paranoia of Shea, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Firebringer, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Frozen Angel, who has a very strong scum game.
These are apparently the three 'obvious town' who she is basing her PoE on, along with the players who appear to be mech-clear. There's no real concern that one of these players could be getting past her. Because she's not actually attempting to solve for them - it's more convenient to call them town for now, and then when I flip town they're still there to stir up suspicion on in the later phases of the game. Because after all, they have really strong scum games, right?

It's really hard for me to believe that Titus has gotten to her current mindset through a genuine attempt at solving that isn't particularly surface-level.

This is absolutely lying on FA. I reached out multiple times on FA and her reactions to me. To claim I haven't been sorting FA is ludicrious. I still have FA in my PoE, even if I have her as likely town.
I lowered my townread on Fire due to being stale, but he's likely town.
Shea's reactions have given me no reason to doubt him. We've been in sync on quite a few things that are unlikely to come from scum. If you seriously try to argue that Shea!scum treats me the way you have is absurd.

This is why I say you object to being boxed in.

If I flip, you're going to call me dumb wrong or pocketed (unless you're copped) rather than vote Dunn because you can't.

[Black]

If she isn't putting in effort and doesn't have strong reasons for what she's doing, why is she throwing her weight around like her reads have authority?

(My answer to that is that she has an agenda that supersedes reads)

Would you accept ego as a possible reason? Like if Titus is just town, that would be the reason right?

[Klick]

The last scum is StD, GiF or remotely Drixx.

This game is solved...why won't people think?

[Titus]

I feel like there are legitimate issues with Titus' current mindset that are just kind of being ignored by a few people

Something particularly bothering me is that she is insistent on expressing a Shea townread for reasons that Shea himself has said are not valid methods of townreading him. There's no reevaluation or reconsideration from it, just continued insistence and finding ways to justify her position rather than evaluating it.

That's the case throughout today. She is trying to shove through her depiction of the game using brute force. Her potential scum are all the lowest hanging fruit she could possibly have - myself, Dunn, and then one of {STD, GIF, Drixx}. This is the safest possible position for someone who has no interest in evaluating her reads and every interest in pushing through an agenda.

There's no paranoia of Shea, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Firebringer, who has a very strong scum game.
There's no paranoia of Frozen Angel, who has a very strong scum game.
These are apparently the three 'obvious town' who she is basing her PoE on, along with the players who appear to be mech-clear. There's no real concern that one of these players could be getting past her. Because she's not actually attempting to solve for them - it's more convenient to call them town for now, and then when I flip town they're still there to stir up suspicion on in the later phases of the game. Because after all, they have really strong scum games, right?

It's really hard for me to believe that Titus has gotten to her current mindset through a genuine attempt at solving that isn't particularly surface-level.

I get the sense that Titus isn't putting a ton of effort into this game. It seems like she is dealing with IRL stuff and has retracted/second-guessed a lot of what she has put down. It's not like she has strong reasons for anything she's doing, or at least that's the vibe I'm getting. It feels more like checked-out townie with a bit of ego preventing them from admitting this. Idk though. Like I keep saying I'm having a hard time reading Titus. You are both in my lim pool. You just happen to be more charismatic and I think that will be the deciding factor in these competing wagons

I resent the implication of not putting in effort. I'm not clear and it's hard to focus but it's hard to fight with 3 votes down and half the town not valuing the evidence (VCA and setup) that condemns Klick.

[Klick]

If she isn't putting in effort and doesn't have strong reasons for what she's doing, why is she throwing her weight around like her reads have authority?

(My answer to that is that she has an agenda that supersedes reads)

Would you accept ego as a possible reason? Like if Titus is just town, that would be the reason right?

Yes, I think that's 100% correct.
I think there's a realistic chance of this being town Titus with an incredibly inflated confidence in her own surface-level read on the game.
I don't think it's more likely than her just being scum. But this is the possible world I see where Titus would be town.

[Klick]

If Titus is town, I think she isn't thinking particularly hard about her reads because she feels that the things she is pushing for will be best for the result regardless of the alignments of the people who die in the process.

[Klick]

@Klick Part 1- Him applies to Fire not Drixx. Please respond properly rather than twisting.

I misinterpreted what you said because it wasn't clear. Please respond properly rather than twisting. Which has essentially been your approach to every single response you've made to me in this day phase, fwiw.

@Part 2 - It's not about specifics. It's the amount.

Ok

How many things did you get wrong in this game that you wouldn't have gotten wrong if you were scum, and which specific things are they
And 

why

 is that the case
What about your scum play means that you wouldn't do that as scum.

You're avoiding the point of most of the questions I ask you.

Literally std confirms jailkeeper.

Scum aren't going to have a block too.

Unless you think StD is my partner, there's no way I am scum.

You getting STD's role card does not in any way impact the likelihood that scum have a blocking ability.

Yes it does. No safe claim.

You're going to have to be more clear! This doesn't mean anything to me

I'm assuming I'm just never going to get a response to these

[Titus]

@Klick Part 1- Him applies to Fire not Drixx. Please respond properly rather than twisting.

I misinterpreted what you said because it wasn't clear. Please respond properly rather than twisting. Which has essentially been your approach to every single response you've made to me in this day phase, fwiw.

@Part 2 - It's not about specifics. It's the amount.

Ok

How many things did you get wrong in this game that you wouldn't have gotten wrong if you were scum, and which specific things are they
And 

why

 is that the case
What about your scum play means that you wouldn't do that as scum.

You're avoiding the point of most of the questions I ask you.

Literally std confirms jailkeeper.

Scum aren't going to have a block too.

Unless you think StD is my partner, there's no way I am scum.

You getting STD's role card does not in any way impact the likelihood that scum have a blocking ability.

Yes it does. No safe claim.

You're going to have to be more clear! This doesn't mean anything to me

I'm assuming I'm just never going to get a response to these

This is serious? Thought it was grandstanding.

The mods would never give scum a role that forces a CC.

[Klick]

Considering I'm not the only person that questioned it, it's incredibly presumptuous to say me saying that and then quoting it again was 'grandstanding'.

I'm pretty sure games frequently run that have town and equivalent/very similar scum roles. Try again.

Also
How many things did you get wrong in this game that you wouldn't have gotten wrong if you were scum, and which specific things are they
And

why

is that the case
What about your scum play means that you wouldn't do that as scum.

[Save The Dragons]

>rand chance of eating a nk
No na to interfere with

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m p sure the setup is designed in such a way that all scum roles are dangerous to claim, given that they get fakeclaim every day

[Thestatusquo]

I’m p sure the setup is designed in such a way that all scum roles are dangerous to claim, given that they get fakeclaim every day

isn't any persistent role not only dangerous to claim but a death sentence in this setup?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Klick

[Firebringer]

I don't like klick fight with Titus.
Titus looks much better in this than Klick.

Is klick still town lean, yeah.
But this is getting ridiculous.

Shea to answer ur earlier question of why i am strong townreading Titus i think she is trying to solve this game with her setup strategy, i think she is trying best to work with town to get the best results for us and i think she believes what she is saying even if i don't understand it all the time. I think scum Titus would be more willing to let town do w/e here instead of fighting for her strat of game. Maybe voice it but not push it so strongly or care about trying to get everyone on her page. It wouldn't be worth it to her to ensure we follow her strategy if she is scum unless she saw a huge benefit of leading us down a really bad path which i don't see where that is.