In post 5608, Pink Ball wrote:
Strategically, voting Drixx is still the right choice
Incorrect.
The fact that the scum team has killed the caterer every time they knew about it implies they had no other way to handle the problem. That implies four scum instead of three.
Drixx, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Save The Dragons
If the above is the PoE, then that means I'm the only town left in it. If you rope me, the game ends.
Also ... is there a reason we didn't cater into Kuribo/Ircher at some point? Seems weird that one "chain" of clears keeps drawing NKs, but not the other, and we never thought to actually 100% conftown them in that way. Of course, I didn't ever say to do so, so that's as much on me as anyone.
So basically you're willing to lim anybody except you
First points out to my theory that GiF/Drixx are paired and Dunn got into wrong place wrong time
Second points out that GiF got into wrong place wrong time
Third points out to nothing
Because I think one of you is the remaining town in the PoE and we are not forced to solve that 1v1 now if we can go more nights that could give us more info or even one of you randing a lover
Because I think one of you is the remaining town in the PoE and we are not forced to solve that 1v1 now if we can go more nights that could give us more info or even one of you randing a lover
why you eliminated the possibility of both being scum to get this conclusion?
I haven't eliminated it. It's in the context of what kuribo did.
I posted a while ago why Drixx is the best lim today strat wise.
You wasted the tracker by not tracking Black. Even Ceph told you that
You then used a vig on conftown. I'll give you the pass on this because ok sure paranoia about the lovers, but if thought that Shea was scummy on D2 to the point of trying to track him on D2 and got a "no result", why not shooting him then? You knew FB was going to target him so the vig would've gone through and you would be conftown today, or did you stop thinking that Shea was scummy? And why not Drixx which seemed to be a strong scumread on D1 and never actually went back on that read?
Like, a Drixx kill from your part would make so much sense. But I think that you targeted ircher with something else and you were afraid of being tracked, since you had the tracker on D2 and knew its existence
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Post #5759 (isolation #622) » Tue May 09, 2023 9:56 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5758, Dunnstral wrote:
PB I don't think vigging the caterer's target is a good town play.
I don't think it either. I think holstering is the good town play because we could be at ELo and ircher dying would've meant the game fucking ending. Same with Shea. This is NOT a townie mindset, that's my point
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Post #5761 (isolation #623) » Tue May 09, 2023 9:58 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5753, Pink Ball wrote:
I think that you targeted ircher with something else and you were afraid of being tracked, since you had the tracker on D2 and knew its existence
The only alternative is the one you gave: scum targeting ircher with a power, but for that to be true and for ircher to be scum, that power would be something to defend ircher and your vig would be wasted anyways.
The other alternative is that town used one of the roles towards ircher at the same time. The only powers that could've been used at the same time are the tracker (why would the tracker track Ircher?), the visionary (same question) and the judge, which to be fair it could've actually happened, but not LIKELY to happen
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Post #5796 (isolation #628) » Tue May 09, 2023 10:36 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5790, Thestatusquo wrote:
like as you said the issue is too many conf town not enough bullets. So scum is absolutely forced to try to play towards paranoia on the lovers and the caterer chain.
Anything else just leads to them losing.
Well actually there's one thing that makes them win even if we they all scumclaimed right now: two town randing lovers and scum shooting them.
Dragging this day is incredibly anti town because the longer it goes the more likely scum is to find a lover pair if there is one.
So the scumteam widening the PoE is not only a good strat to try and get a mislim today or in future days, but to try to fish for the lovers.
The day ends now. Following kuribo's and GiF's example, give two players you want limmed today.
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Post #5805 (isolation #629) » Tue May 09, 2023 10:41 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5799, Drixx wrote:
It's incredibly foolish to rush a day that could be ELO when all we've done is rope town. This is not a situation to rush through. Clearly nobody should be claiming roles they have today. There's a reason that way back on day 1, I pointed out that claims should be of prior held roles that are no longer in the claimant's hands. I thought that was super obvious and didn't need stating, but clearly I was wildly optimistic.
You clearly didn't read what I said.
If for example the paranoia that StD is trying to get around the lovers worked and ircher randed lover with someone else, if it seems that ircher is going to be limmed he would be forced to claim.
Widening the PoE is fishing for the lovers if they exist.
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Post #5814 (isolation #633) » Tue May 09, 2023 10:58 am
Postby Pink Ball »
But what I think that you're missing is that the chances of we getting into a 2v1 scenario without one extra conftown is really really low. You said it: 3 rights in a row are 3 more nights and randed roles that can get conftowned. THIS is the hardest day to solve, not the last one
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Post #5816 (isolation #634) » Tue May 09, 2023 10:59 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5815, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Also unless scum can prevent caterer from being passed (they haven't prevented it so far), group of "conftowns" will only grow.
I was trying to be coy about this, now you ruined it!!
Yeah Shea has to say who is he targeting today before the day ends.
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Post #5852 (isolation #645) » Tue May 09, 2023 11:44 am
Postby Pink Ball »
In post 5846, Save The Dragons wrote:
Pb track doesn't clear shea and has scum motivation because it's the only track thst scum reasonably knew town would do
Did I do it right cephy
Counter point
I claim VT
So I don't help clearing Shea as town
You not knowing how to use the tracker from a town perspective means that you're not town, not the other way around
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Post #5908 (isolation #653) » Tue May 09, 2023 1:14 pm
Postby Pink Ball »
How is interacting with you not sorting you?
What do you define by sorting? Or will I never have the right answer here because "I'm town and you are scumreading me so you're clearly not sorting me"?
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Post #5910 (isolation #654) » Tue May 09, 2023 1:19 pm
Postby Pink Ball »
Assume that your paranoia is just that, paranoia. Leave me in your PoE if you want, but leave Ircher, kuribo and Shea out.
Your PoE would be {PB,FA,GiF,Drixx,Dunn}
You've called me and FA scum because we have both pushed you. Assume this day restarts and neither me or FA have pushed you yet.
