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Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?
I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say
Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!
VOTE: Hu Tao
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have
Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?
I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say
And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then
that
was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.
I'm often talking to people with the assumption that they're town, can provide previous quotes on that in other games if this interests you
And on top of that, if you check the page there's also like, a lot of guides, so it kinda helps to narrow it down a bit more
Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!
VOTE: Hu Tao
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have
I don’t think Hu Tao’s post is that bad
I will say I am likewise getting good vibes from you
For the time being I think a town block of you, me, Hu Tao, and FuDuzn works
Oh yeah it's not lockscum bad but like, we're pushing the game fowards bestie, let's pretend it's more than it is
not sure what a townblock is supposed to do there tbh, unless that's just a way for you to state your reads
Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!
VOTE: Hu Tao
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have
I don’t think Hu Tao’s post is that bad
I will say I am likewise getting good vibes from you
For the time being I think a town block of you, me, Hu Tao, and FuDuzn works
Oh yeah it's not lockscum bad but like, we're pushing the game fowards bestie, let's pretend it's more than it is
not sure what a townblock is supposed to do there tbh, unless that's just a way for you to state your reads
I’m trying something sorta-different: I’m going to try to form a townblock in EVERY game I play. I have done them before and even tried to do them in most games for a certain time period but I’ve never gone the total saturation route I think? I think it’s going to be personally enlightening in a few ways, but I want to keep those sekret.
Well, guess i'm down to see where this town8lock stuff goes !
Still not sold on Hu Tao being a good addition to it though but i'll keep an eye on where this all goes then
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Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!
VOTE: Hu Tao
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have
Hu Tao's post sounds like the kind of thing a townie would say tbf
Wrong !!!! here come the locusts
On second thought maybe i should stop focusing on all that, but this post feels more like scum trying too hard to be town for me?
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Post #89 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:58 am
Postby Gypyx »
In post 79, MargotRosa wrote:
I'm opening up the old sublime text Mafia notes templates again. What a time to be alive.
Only vibe leans atm are Gypyx as town and Claptastik as Scum, but they are purely on vibes based on early d1 behaviour, and tells are almost always useless, esp. as you two seem to have been playing for ages.
Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?
I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say
And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then
that
was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.
Like, this gives town vibes just because it's the kind of non-committal, but still roughly reasoned out thinking I'd expect, whereas #66, #68 and #70 feel a bit more accusatory? Just feels off for the first 24 hours of the first day.
E: tag fix
aaaah yes, agressive = scum and nice = town
clap certainely feels like town motivated agression here, can't tell if Margot has got her radar calibrated on the complete opposite of mine or if she's just scum afraid of a proactive townie
and while this got me thinking about it, i gotta say the Alianna post in question looks pretty bad to me? Like, it's *extremely* reasonable, and non-antagonizing immediatly afterwards, almost like the main worry is making sure i don't get angry about it
Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?
I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say
And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then
that
was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.
Yeah I read the post and thought, how does they know I'm town? I thought it was only a thing scums would know...
Kinda like this from Zebe, obviously the reasoning doesn't sound too fluid, but like, idk, i feel like scum!Zebe wouldn't know / think of how to say that
and while i'm at it She/Her pretty please !!! <3 Neutral pronouns are fine but not my fave
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Post #92 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:36 am
Postby Gypyx »
In post 91, Upwards wrote:
Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.
Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.
I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.
That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?
So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.
GL,HF
Right on so far ! As it seems you've played way more ToS (may i ask if it was on the forums or the actual game?) i'd say mostly that in terms of roles, you need to expect half the town to not have any powers, scum huting is therefore way less reliant on mechanical data and more like, actually reading people, take all i say with a grain of salt obviously, but try to focus on seeing the intent / mindset / agenda behind what people are saying, should be a good start
Thank you. I will blindly trust this and say you're town too!
VOTE: Hu Tao
kinda wanna say this comes from scum? Like, there's a bit of a "oh god i gotta appear towny" in those words imho
"blindly" also sounds hyperaware of the lack of info a townie would normally have
In post 106, Gypyx wrote:
eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it
Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.
Nuh uh
to be clearer i feel like you're the kind of slot that's gonna get easier to read as the game goes on, plus i don't trust i'd be able to successfully lead a push on you anyways (regardless of ur alignement) so no real point dwelling on that
In post 106, Gypyx wrote:
eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it
Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.
Nuh uh
to be clearer i feel like you're the kind of slot that's gonna get easier to read as the game goes on, plus i don't trust i'd be able to successfully lead a push on you anyways (regardless of ur alignement) so no real point dwelling on that
Can you clarify why you think I'll be easier to read as the game goes on?
Short bursts of posts are usually pretty hard to read in a vaccum but as we get more and more additional context it basically gives more material around which to analyse what you're saying
at least that's how i think it should go, still a bit rusty of mafia stuff
Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?
I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say
And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then
that
was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.
I'm often talking to people with the assumption that they're town, can provide previous quotes on that in other games if this interests you
And on top of that, if you check the page there's also like, a lot of guides, so it kinda helps to narrow it down a bit more
Quotes would be helpful to verify, but I'm inclined to believe this.
Yeah so sorry but i'm kinda struggling to find quotes to provide you actually, recalling it happened is quite a big gap from finding what happened exactly it seems lol
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Post #185 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:24 am
Postby Gypyx »
Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever
Spoiler: ooo
Upwards
Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance
Hu Tao
Nope. Not looking there
Naerys
The very few posts she made are decently towny i guess, besides this game doesn't feel like we have too many scums still MIA so i'm inclined to not be too worried
Claptastik
Towniest town in the town of townsville, they've felt motivated and like they're questionning the correct things
lucca261
Had some elements of suspicion but his latest posts have been better, especially since i've mindmelded with him on quite a few reads
FuDuzn
While i do agree with the town vibes, i think people are kind of a bit too eager to put him as town, i guess i'm just being more wary of that kind of "constant stream of mild towniness" when it comes from an experienced player (or at least that's how i'm reading you)
Gamma Emerald
Somewhat of a gut read but i've been really thinking it is town, i guess depending on how that towblock stuff goes i'll reevaluate or lock it as town?
(btw hope i'm correctly using your pronouns there, not too sure on how "it" is supposed to work)
Laplacian
Posts averaging between bad and extremely NAI, of course it's not like there's a ton of them but... blergh, it's pretty bad
Zebedee
If this isn't obvtown newbie them i don't know what is
MargotRosa
Waiting on more obviously but this slot has been very conspicuous
DeltaWave
ughhhh... slightest of townleans i guess?
Alianna
Alianna has felt good, very natural and stuff, this is a mix of a gut read and just not seeing the scum intent in her things, it also seems like she geniuenly view herself as town
Upwards - I'm null on. People on both sides of Upwards should remember that scum have daytalk. If he's scum he has coaching available.
Gamma - I'm not seeing town at all. Not particularly seeing scum either.
Zebedee - I get it, but not as strongly as you do.
Alianna - Like Gamma, I'm not seeing the town. Null.
While i agree i'm probably overplaying some reads here and there, i'll just say that while upwards *could* be coached, i doubt his scumbuddies would go and rewrite each post on a word by word basis, more like, focus on telling him what should be said or done
therefore as the tone is mainly what irks me about him, i don't think that's something to be worried about
In post 185, Gypyx wrote:
Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever
Spoiler: ooo
Upwards
Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.
While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny
and otherwise i think that as a new scum player, most people are probably *really* scared of messing up themselves and their allies, therefore prompting you to become somewhat of an overexplainer
doesn't help that i haven't seen much coming from you that strikes me as a "wow that's genuine !"
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In post 185, Gypyx wrote:
Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever
Spoiler: ooo
Upwards
Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.
While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny
Yes! Exactly my thinking, it shouldn’t come across this suspicious to you and yet I’ve been told otherwise which strikes me as strange. Will try to make my mind up about this situation when I have more time later today, as well as hopefully getting to write something about most players in this.
i honestly don't really care about what more you can give as an explaination at this point tbh, just focus on other stuff
E: fixed formatting. For reference, the original post was thusly:
In post 185, Gypyx wrote:
Anyways here's a recap about what i think of everyone, not sure that's too useful but whatever
Spoiler: ooo
Upwards
Classic newbie slot, i feel like they're still quite likely to be scum? Obviously their reasoning is always gonna be somewhat rough, but there's an air of it being fabricated? Him stating his entry paragraph was motivated by worrying of being unoriginal makes me think it leans scum for instance
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t really worrying, it was more me being excited to finally start. Hypothetically speaking, which upside would I have as Scum to open like this? To put anything out there right away that people might feel strange about? None that would come to my mind at least.
While i get the excitement, i feel that as town you would be less focused on if what you wished to say would come out good as since you're town, it should naturally be towny
Yes! Exactly my thinking, it shouldn’t come across this suspicious to you and yet I’ve been told otherwise which strikes me as strange. Will try to make my mind up about this situation when I have more time later today, as well as hopefully getting to write something about most players in this.
i honestly don't really care about what more you can give as an explaination at this point tbh, just focus on other stuff
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Post #218 (isolation #34) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:07 am
Postby Gypyx »
Hot take but people should be allowed to switch up their playstyle
it especially gets less worth as a meta read here cause Gamma is making a conscious effort to switch up how she plays rather than failing to reproduce her town meta
Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?
VOTE: MargotRosa
I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return
I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself) VOTE: MargotRosa
Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?
i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree
.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.
Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?
I guess it could be irony yea, it just didn't strike me as that in the moment, and once again,
and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out
also yeah, as claps said, acting as if mafiosos never vote each other early
Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.
Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:
So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.
I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.
Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.
The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.
Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.
Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.
My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.
Yeah i can totally see it, although i also agree this feels quite tinfoil-ish, think we keep this in mind for if we manage to flip one of them as scum?
Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.
Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:
So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.
I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.
Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.
The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.
Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.
Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.
Ah, now I get where you’re coming from. See, just because I’m new doesn’t mean I can’t differentiate between someone being nice and someone making sense. So at that point I was less worried about getting tricked than about understanding how to proceed, since when I started posting there was very little I could conclude from the previous content. Think I have a better grasp now.
But while I’m familiar with the term buddying, what’s elimbait?
Elimination-bait, a very scummy townie that the actual scum can push without much worry to take the heat off them
It's derived from lynchbait, but since "lynch" is no longer an allowed word on here that's the most popular alternative
In post 233, Gypyx wrote:
and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out
I actually do something like this myself (reflect on my own actions and consider how I would read them, how I’d expect others to read them, and how they fit into my concept of my own meta)
Yeah i'm absolutely saying this cause i'm guilty of it too lol
anyways what do you think of your whole back and forth with clap?
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Post #340 (isolation #40) » Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:13 am
Postby Gypyx »
STAHP VOTING GAMMA YOU MEANIES >:CCCCCC
nah in all seriousness i kinda hate the general vibes around it's wagon, hard to describe but like, it feels like a lot of people each finding their own small thing to be suspicious about
That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.
VOTE: Gamma, but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.
In post 339, Naerys wrote:
I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies. VOTE: Gamma
I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.
On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.
I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.
this is surface level analysis
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.
I will have you know that all my thoughts are perfectly real, thank you very much. Sorry if they don’t live up to your standards.
So here’s the thing, I believe you’re right. It is an easy play for Scum to call out Townblocks. But it’s just as easy for Scum to get the idea of forming an early town block. And the latter would be way more problematic so that’s what I am more concerned with right now.
So what do you make of that?
I think it would be foolish for me to pigeonhole myself into a position where I would have to maintain my towniness when I feel like I am better at scum when sieing chaos and letting my flip cause wild goose chases
Yeah okay but if you’re scum why play for eventually getting flipped? It actively makes it harder to fulfill Mafias Win Con.
This looks to me like a dubious exchange at best. So nothing I’d reasonably expect from a player like you who has claimed to have played a ton of games.
Now, you tell me what you think the scum motive is. As noted, your point that it's easy to call someone out as scummy for a premature manufactured town block means that you also see apparent scum motivation for it. Do you also think it's for buddying, or do you have additional reasons?
Earlier you said something about doing this for private reasons. If you now had reacted like
Yeah, I know it appears scummy, but again I have private reasons for doing it
I probably would have let it slide, at least today. But, you're doubling down, pointing fingers at me and others and acting like we're scummy for pointing out the obvious - which, again, you unwittingly agreed to by saying that scum reading you here is easy.
In post 9, Naerys wrote:
VOTE: Alianna
I am familiar with 2 players in this game
Then don't vote Alianna
We have, from the oldest to the newest
a RVS vote
Claptastik who, idk, kinda feels like he's tunnelled? Obviously there's some right stuff coming from him, but there also a lot of "Yeah Gamma interacted with a lot of people, let's kill her for info !" which just sounds like a way to justify your vote when she's flipping town (ok tinfoil off i swear)
upwards who, no offense but his vote isn't really based on a lot more than not understeanding the place gamma is coming from, which that's somewhat fair but i think we can ask more for a day 1 flip
Naerys is calling a tilt vote from Gamma as "being worried she isn't towny enough" which, huh, don't think that's how being scum works, i especially don't think scum gamma feeds a whole 3 pages long argument to clap so that he can lock himself onto her
And Deltawave is looking pretty reasonable, but also came last so it's not even like she gave the spark and made the others follow through, i'd probably call her wrong for the right reasons
i think that i can say without exagerrating much that there's litterally a single good vote on this wagon
i'm also feeling somewhat less confident about margot, would be down to try laplacian if it's a viable counterwagon
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Post #834 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:01 am
Postby Gypyx »
In post 827, Upwards wrote:
Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.
So we aren't allowed to banter anymore huh, only serious buisness
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Post #841 (isolation #58) » Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:44 am
Postby Gypyx »
Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them
On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure
In post 672, Hu Tao wrote:
Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though
this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints
kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)