Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

Hello everybody

I have an ability that, when I’m visited by anyone they’re notified that I’m part of the scum team. Even non-investigative roles.

I have an additional power that appears insidious but is not.

I’m neither scum nor 3p.

Thanks.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Mod notes are confusing.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I have an ability that, when I’m visited by anyone they’re notified that I’m part of the scum team. Even non-investigative roles.

If people get this message, regardless of their role, does that mean that an invest would actually get both a "Yuuka is part of the scum team" message and their true result?

Good question. Asking.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I have an ability that, when I’m visited by anyone they’re notified that I’m part of the scum team. Even non-investigative roles.

If people get this message, regardless of their role, does that mean that an invest would actually get both a "Yuuka is part of the scum team" message and their true result?

Good question. Asking.

Yes.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Expected what?

[Yuuka Kazami]

@Kagerou, that sounds like you have a preference for how information is conveyed to you and you’re conflating a preference with an alignment and using that to tilt slightly negative.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Whatever Daiyousei and Marisa are doing, lol.

Yeah, that’s pretty typical.
Could you explore your feelings on what they’re doing a bit more out loud?

[Yuuka Kazami]

To be clear, I’m more interested in how you feel about kagerou’s posts rather than kagerou’s posts themselves.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Also you're probably

not

in the scum PT

?

Their scum partners would explain what clownpiece was talking about.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Didn’t the mod announce the only player that had that happen to them?

Will ask.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh. So your account name doesn’t have to fit thematically with your abilities sans Marisa.

I’m conflicted on whether I want people to claim that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Sanae receives town points.

Thanks.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yeah, I had assumed uh, that you were the one person whose role did not match their name.

Mod responded to me and told me they couldn’t tell me if that was the case.

Given that flavor and role seem pretty closely linked it’s not a waste of time to understand/get a footing there, in addition, there’s alignment juice there in how people interact with the information on the topic.

Uh. So what exactly is the mod trying to clarify with their note?

[Yuuka Kazami]

What do you mean "sans Marisa"? My account name is also not related to my role PM (because Kagerou stole my role! How dare they!)

Also I know this is unexpected but, can we stop talking about account names and start talking about reads? I already told you guys my three townreads!

Let me stew.
I might get two whole town reads out of this day phase!

[Yuuka Kazami]

Purple is the mod’s color.

[Yuuka Kazami]

High chaser.

[Yuuka Kazami]

oh and I just remembered this

I have immunity to all day abilities so please don't waste anything useful on me

Master Double Spark

Test.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: ichirin

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Daiyousei this is probably just scum tho

and i don't think it's because i'm not vibing with the roleplay (i don't want to discourage the roleplay btw, do what is fun for you! i am just bitter about not knowing the flavor and being left out of the joke )

VOTE: Daiyousei

UwU

VOTE: Daiyousei

Do not like any of these votes.

Your posting sucks.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That’s fair. Larva answer them so we can kill them.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Your posting sucks. Either alignment will jump on you because they can. Both players responses to you are rout and can be from either alignment since they’re more policies and prescriptions than fluid mind sets. The only fluidity was that people quickly jumped on you for one too many contentless posts.

[Yuuka Kazami]

While i sort of understand what the werewolf is getting at, mostly i just see an obstructionist for the sake of obstruction and with neutrality wrapped in the veneer of content in terms of their read of ichirin. That’s what it is on its face and I don’t have much motivation to look beyond that.

They said explanation is forthcoming.
But my patience with that when regular play will do just fine, is finite.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’ll take a town read, sure.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That second post is about kagerou, more than it’s about you.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It kind of comes across like you already knows that all three of us are town, so your goal is not to sort us, and your actual goal in this situation is just to change our mind by finding something to talk about/focus on (in this case Eternity Larva) to "show" that you are solving.

I literally got assaulted by 3 votes mid-catchup, so.

Assaulted?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Your inner narrative is a wondrous place.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Let me know if you meet Jesus.
Seems like a swell guy.
Unless you are Jesus, which may be the case.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Okay, maybe I am a little mean.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Sorry.

I lost my patience with non-content posts.
Which is why I pressured you. I figure killing players that don’t talk about their opinions about other people’s alignment is a swell way to eliminate scum/kill unreadable people.

[Yuuka Kazami]

How about this ichi.

Let’s pretend your last few posts didn’t happen and you’re a well-adjusted uh, fairy scholar?

Who’s scum? And/or town? And why.

Try to think normal thoughts while you do it, like, channel the spirit of an office worker staring at a clock.

[Yuuka Kazami]

@ichirin, sure I can turn down the passive aggressiveness, but the suspicion's staying.

[Yuuka Kazami]

There are chaotic scum.
I genuinely haven't seen anything I could point to in Kagerou's iso and say it's obvious town.
There's always one layer or more. I think they're capable of outposting most wagons that could end up on them.
But I'm not against it, rather there aren't many wagons I would be against at this stage of the game.

[Yuuka Kazami]

i particularly don't really understand why town koishi would say everything they've said but then vote for me and ichirin instead of sanae

I do not believe in solo voting pet scumreads because I don't think there is any point to it. Solo votes are essentially useless. No mafia is ever going to feel "pressured" off a solo vote, you're essentially giving up your voting power for no gain. A game state with 1 or 2 votes everywhere is a game that's going nowhere because mafia are never in danger of feeling pressure to do anything.

I am not "sure" Sanae is mafia; I only present my thoughts as I have them, if some people decide to listen to me and want to wagon Sanae, that's useful information and then I will likely vote there because then there's a real threat. If people are dismissive of my reads, so be it, more likely than not just on pure probability I am wrong and its not an avenue worth pursuing.

This is wrong. But like, I'm not the wrong police.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Aya

[Yuuka Kazami]

Reisen, Marisa have gone up slightly.

I have reservations about larva. But it’s probably paranoia.

Samae being in a neighborhood with Marisa doesn’t make me feel better or worse.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I did not call them mean names.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I did imply in jest that they had a mental illness though due to their strange perspective, which was inappropriate and I apologize for that. It was in poor taste.

[Yuuka Kazami]

As for whether Ichi is scum, I'm slightly less inclined to think so, but only slightly.
I think Ichi's angle is unusual in terms of defense and just presuming that certain tactics will work to stall suspicion is making the assumption that an action always results in an outcome that someone wants. most players here, I think, have some experience in mafia and know how to defend themselves for the most part. So I actually do think Ichi knows what they're doing and what they're trying to do is live and that their perspective is likely exaggerated. It's hard for me to take their accusation they were assaulted as anything but a joke with a pinch of truth to it. Something, that based on how I asked and they answered they were aware of the humor of the situation.

This actually did not work well because they made that joke and then played it as serious after. They are not really concerned with the truth in this regard, but like all mafia players who have been wrong enough to know better, it could simply be their quirk.
Something is indeed, up with them though. Their argument that they wanted a single question to be answered before they were miseliminated was roundly made fun of subtly and otherwise and doesn't make any sense from the perspective of an experienced player, perhaps they are the emotional type.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Though now that my business is done and that you mention it, why'd you even hop on in the first place?

That question was already asked and answered

Man I am really not in the headspace for this right now am I.

What was wrong with your head space at this point in time? What are the circumstances you're referring to here?

[Yuuka Kazami]

@Kagerou. Why aren’t you in a position to be aggressive?

[Yuuka Kazami]

And what path is that? ~_~

[Yuuka Kazami]

My tension meter is rising and I’m going to have to make a choice on you or explode I suppose.
Maybe both.

[Yuuka Kazami]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I probably won’t even wait and immediately detail the wagon.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Go ahead.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh. 8 days.
If I had to kill someone now I’d probably kill Aya or Ichirin.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Can you read Aya? I can’t.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I already explained my general confusion with ichirin, I think they might just be weird scum and I’m overthinking it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That seems like a rather rude thing to say about a professional writer, Yuuka.

2 and a half stars.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh, that was a good move if Koshi is scum.
I had the same sinking feeling.

The flavor is kind of relevant but it’ll be brought up naturally as the game advances.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Koishi are you a day only ascetic or night too?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh, never mind they said day ascetic.

K.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It’s relatable to look at a red role pm and despair, only to realize that, hey,
False alarm.

I already realized I was being gullible since you pretty much have no reason to share that except to be town read. Still, it’s unique. But no.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh, as for why it was a good move, because scum try to get town read. A relatable post like that isn’t bad at fostering a sense of, for lack of a better word, kinship or similarity.

I chose to word it like that because you chose to post it like that and my response was.
1. Hey I felt the same way!
2. Maybe that’s what they were going for, but if it was it was a good way of trying to immediately slip the net.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Eh, I’m able to admire a post without having just one opinion on it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Sure. I’ll just be over here thinking outloud about your alignment and why you seem to be writing posts thinking out loud and declaring where you’re going, what you’re doing next and why you’re doing it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

No it’s not grating. I’m just curious what your alignment is and if your particular communication style of thinking outloud will help or hurt me to figure that out.

Why did you post your first post about the red role pm anyway? Or second. I can’t bother to look.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Breaking news! Your intrepid reporter is down in the dumps. It turns out even Youkai can be depressed. Headline for Tomorrow: When Crows Cry, a cover by Alice Marigold.

Sorry to hear, would you mind if we yeet you out of the game?

[Yuuka Kazami]

I'm asking if, it would be okay if we voted them out of the game.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Isn't breaking news supposed to be the first person to get there.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I see, I suppose it's true that you're the first reporter that came to that conclusion.
You are also, the only reporter.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Slowly pulling out my Yuuka townread because of her agressiveness and swapping it with an almost identical scumread cause it just seems like she's forcing it for the sake of being like that

Not really. just because someone's down in the dumps and has a bad day or has a good day, doesn't mean mafia and the outcome of the game should be influenced by that. It's not bad to be yeeted. It's just a part of the game. It's not kicking someone when they're down, because that's not how the game works and it's not how life works. I feel like I have to do this reframing every game or two.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It's a good thing I'm not scum, because if you're right I'd be exasperated right now.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why do you think, instead of feel that?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Going to put that read down as invalid then.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Hmm. Emotionally charged interactions like that, I tend not to make the right interpretations of.

I guess right now, I lean Sanae town. But that might be a mistake.

[Yuuka Kazami]

No, you should not be town reading Aya for that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

The rest of what you wrote is going to trigger a response, but I get it.
You're off balance.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Well, it's not me, so I guess Sanae is the scum between the two of us, if one of us is.
I thought, and as mentioned I usually thought wrong about this kind of thing,
that Sanae engaging given the circumstances around it seemed like a genuine reach out for curiosity.
I dunno why scum even bothers. There are other conversations to have.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Avoidance is a coping mechanism.
When Mom is yelling at the cashier that she has children to feed, I might strike up a conversation to distract me from the reality of the situation.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Even how I'm wording that is distancing from the hot coals of- I got distracted and started making a self-deprecating joke mid writing.

humor is also another one.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Do you think Sanae is scum, Yuuka?

Right now? No, but there's a lot of game left.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Eh.
Emotionally distancing/suppressing yourself is a thing.
It's one of my favorites.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

Aya certainely is genuine, leaning town but i wouldn't bet my house on it

Try again please.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Give your opinion and interpretation of Aya’s posts, analysis, opinions, emotions, your emotional response to it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Okay.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I feel like Kagerou is whispering trust me at a subsonic level and, yeah. I want to yeet that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

People aren't ATM machines that you can just draw money infinitely from on a credit card.
That's a weird way to put it Yuuka.

[Yuuka Kazami]

No. :<

[Yuuka Kazami]

Kagerou's play is very reactive. They're presenting it as a choice. But I don't really think it's townie. Getting in the way/being obstructive, while it makes them stick out, doesn't seem to be garnering any interpretable results.

I also think they're casually lying about minor things to hide themselves from scrutiny. It doesn't further the town's win condition.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You could've scrutinized them whenever you wanted, you don't seem to have an issue getting in people's way.
Why not tenshi who is generally trying to put themselves out there?

[Yuuka Kazami]

They say they're not in a position to push players traditionally, but pretty much, nothing is indicating that this is the case.
They're here, they're active, they're relatively cogent, and their opinions and points are not insane.
They can push whenever they want, they've chosen not to.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You could've scrutinized them whenever you wanted, you don't seem to have an issue getting in people's way.
Why not tenshi who is generally trying to put themselves out there?

i'm sorry but i don'r get what you're saying here

You could've scrutinized or gotten in their way like you've gotten in my or clown's way, but you haven't. Tenshi seems very willing, almost ethically constrained to respond to people. They "owe" people responses, they don't leave people hanging and say as much.
I don't feel like your play makes sense.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You said you weren't in a position to play traditionally near the start of the game, not that you're choosing not to play traditionally because it hasn't gotten results.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You could've scrutinized them whenever you wanted, you don't seem to have an issue getting in people's way.
Why not tenshi who is generally trying to put themselves out there?

i'm sorry but i don'r get what you're saying here

You could've scrutinized or gotten in their way like you've gotten in my or clown's way, but you haven't. Tenshi seems very willing, almost ethically constrained to respond to people. They "owe" people responses, they don't leave people hanging and say as much.
I don't feel like your play makes sense.

Yeah exactly, i think that's scummy

it's a passive observation, one that you've chosen not to try to clarify. Why can't you be scum happy to just let Tenshi sit there, being slightly scummy instead of interrogating them where their response might change how people generally view them? For good or ill.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why would people view you in a bright light automatically?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why would you think that this would be the case, when there's simply no way your posts aren't designed to be at least slightly vexing?

Do you remember your "Tee-Hee" response?
The best you're gunna get from that is neutrality.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why would you think that this would be the case, when there's simply no way your posts aren't designed to be at least slightly vexing?

Do you remember your "Tee-Hee" response?
The best you're gunna get from that is neutrality.

i think you're taking things too seriously

I enjoy this kind of thing, tbh. I like playing games earnestly. Or that's how I prefer to frame it anyway.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Not sure how I feel about Sanae reading into Ichirin and making assumptions about their state of mind.

Ichirin never said they were being tongue in cheek, sarcastic, or silly on purpose.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It was a private set of jokes that they were happy to keep behind their doors at best.

It shows pragmatism and duplicity. Ichi’d rather keep the misunderstanding going if that gets sir town read than clarify which posts of hir’s are jokes.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Gonna be honest I don't understand what you're saying

“Sie's pretty tongue-in-cheek about it, and aware that it might not look so good“

They never explicitly said this.
Or at least, I can’t find it. So you’re assuming their state of mind based on the context of the posts/what you think is reasonable, but Ichi did not go this route, they played it straight.

[Yuuka Kazami]

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

[Yuuka Kazami]

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why don’t you like that series of posts, Clownpiece?

The strength in which they threw themselves into questioning Eternity Larva felt performative.

It came immediately after they were being accused of not having content, and then they suddenly have discovered The Thing That Is So Important To Question That They Must Get The Answer Before They Die.

It felt reactionary to the lack of sorting accusations.

I attribute Aya’s shift into traditional analysis and Kagerou’s read wall in the same vein, albeit they were more sensitive. Did you provide reasoning for why their response is different from those examples?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Have you tried taking things a few degrees down the seriousness factor, Yuuka? Like perhaps "being a bit sarcastic/sardonic but still

cares

about the situation"?

I’m bemused. It’s a bit too tedious to get all the way into this, but are you saying that when I responded to your sarcasm with mockery and you asked for respect, it was because I misinterpreted you and you weren’t actually serious?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Kagerou was never lacking in reads but let me show you what I looked at.

It should be noted I’m mostly just throwing shade/suspicion right now and I don’t feel terribly strongly about any of this. It’s thinking out loud and kind of tempering an internal reasoning with external feedback.

…I could stand to be more concise.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Have you tried taking things a few degrees down the seriousness factor, Yuuka? Like perhaps "being a bit sarcastic/sardonic but still

cares

about the situation"?

I’m bemused. It’s a bit too tedious to get all the way into this, but are you saying that when I responded to your sarcasm with mockery and you asked for respect, it was because I misinterpreted you and you weren’t actually serious?

Sorry what I’m trying to get at, is it because I was insulting your intelligence by taking what you were saying at face value and therefore you felt like you were being discredited because i presented it that way?

Let me give an example,

“Yeah, sure I’m dumb for thinking that flying in an aircraft made of wood is dangerous”
And someone saying “yes, exactly! You idiot!”
*exasperated choking sounds*

[Yuuka Kazami]

You know, some folk think sarcasm/self referential speech not intended to be fully understood by others is a form of disrespect.


I don’t though. Rather, I don’t care. :3

Moving on. To the other thing

[Yuuka Kazami]

While i sort of understand what the werewolf is getting at, mostly i just see an obstructionist for the sake of obstruction and with neutrality wrapped in the veneer of content in terms of their read of ichirin. That’s what it is on its face and I don’t have much motivation to look beyond that.

They said explanation is forthcoming.
But my patience with that when regular play will do just fine, is finite.

That second post is about kagerou, more than it’s about you.

i guess i'd join a Kagerou wagon too but i think that read deserves more thought and reevaluation than i am currently capable of

VOTE: Kagerou

I'm willing to vote any of Kaguya, Tenshi or Daiyousei to try and move the needle on them a bit, as they've all kinda disappeared

when you're the great fairy you have great responsibilities!

i don't get why ichirin got votes the way sie did ?_? well i guess i get

why

it happened but i don't think those votes were proper investigationizing...i would be willing to vote koishi of the three of them because i particularly don't really understand why town koishi would say everything they've said but then vote for me and ichirin instead of sanae, but that's second to this

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

i'm so sorry if this comes across as impolite ;_; but your iso is chock full of fluff (which i guess is fitting for a doggie, but) and weak and noncommittal stances! posts 52, 57, and 61 all together look like an attempt to look like you're helping, as do 104 and 128 (both individually and together with 135), as does 195, as does the sequence about declaring there must be a mafia in the list of people with self-obfuscating roles, as does the yuuka part of 303

i see 146 and can't agree that claiming ascetic is anything other than neutral, it could easily be a mafia role and would make sense for a mafia person to immediately claim it if it were true

since piece appears to be your strongest committed stance i would like to hear more about the idea that piece has "been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game" from 162 because i read piece's iso to that point and don't understand where this conclusion came from

Dai felt more upset that I was being considered townie for doing nothing and I could see that as more scum frustration. So could I can see multiple worlds there.

your one post did not read strongly in either direction so i simply wanted to know why people had such a positive opinion of it that they'd say so! it was something i felt i could actually ask about after all the role and mechanical talk made my head spin @_@

There are chaotic scum.
I genuinely haven't seen anything I could point to in Kagerou's iso and say it's obvious town.
There's always one layer or more. I think they're capable of outposting most wagons that could end up on them.
But I'm not against it, rather there aren't many wagons I would be against at this stage of the game.

seems like some people can't handle the kagerou style

Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out

Besties

Marisa Kirisame - I could go into details but like she's just being obvtown

Eternity Larva - The second obvtown slot

Kaguya Houraisan - A common feeling i have with Kaguya posts is that she's making them for herself and not really for an audience, her overall play has also been decently protown

Reisen Udongein Inaba - maintaining that the Ascetic claim is prolly town, some individual posts like 314 or 313 i really like

Headpats

Ichirin Kumoi - I liked how sie played around the flashwagon, i hear the points about it sounding like TMI / scum anger

Yuuka Kazami - not saying that rude 100% equal good but she certainely feels confident in what she's doing

Koishi Komeiji - acting mildly towny

For later

Sanae Kochiya - Scum leaning but that read is on hold for either substantial agreement / me seeing something more direct to push

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson eyebrow

Aya Shameimaru - struggling to read through the gimmick right now

Tenshi Hinanawi - ok so maybe this is more a null read but like i kinda completely forgot who this was so not the greatest look i think

Shoot on sight

Clownpiece - I'm starting to really feel dumb for this read but clown piece is playing like how i feel a good scum player would play, will elaborate more but right now i'm not in the mood

Daiyousei - I guess i thought she had more posts than she did but under the gimmick there isn't a lot of info, her recent 349 i don't really know what to make of it so that's a work for future Kagerou

You can take it at face value and agree that their strategy wasn't working, so they went to a more traditional place. But I think they read people's suspicions of them and the requests they make. It depends how you feel about them.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I responded to you on the previous page Clownpiece.
Fyi. I'm not sold that my own reasoning is valid.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Reisen simply hit my town tone button.
They feel like town.

[Yuuka Kazami]

UNVOTE:

Aya is still in my suspicion pile.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Good post if you're scum Larvae.
Very townie mindset.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I hadn't town binned them yet, I was leaning townie though.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I mean, my immediate thought when you said that, was that you were trying to take credit for a post Larvae made, there was no guarantee they'd make a townie post. It's a general sentiment but it doesn't raise your own boat/ship. Or at least, it didn't for me.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I could still vote Kaguya after their catch up posts.

Is this a POE meh ISO thing or is there some kind of actual scumread behind it

I’m not Clown, but yeah.
What are you doing?

[Yuuka Kazami]

All right. Hi.
Why do you scum read me? Any particular posts or perspectives that seem especially insidious?

[Yuuka Kazami]

It was but they never implied it was and asked that I respect them, with what I assumed was a sarcastic comment.

I assumed they would not ask for respect if in the same breath they were making jokes. They took offense to me pointing out their posts were generally lack luster. Even though multiple players had said it, I had said it the wrong way.
Hence the asshole label. But I’m mostly just looking to see what they do with their approach to people. I didn’t really get it.

The definition of duplicity, I felt they were riding two vague interpretations and chose the one that served them better.

I explained where I was coming from with my check in with Sanae. I’m surprised you think that kind of approach comes from scum.

Or 1v1 or whatever.
I found Aya’s shifting between emotion and their sudden game face pretty difficult to interpret.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It’s called sympathy.

But I don’t think in general people like that I pushed Aya when they insinuated they should be left alone. Even though I coached it in terms of it’s not actually bad to be eliminated.

Something Kouji rolled with but it blew up in their face.

It’s hard for me not to chalk it up to play style.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Well, it's not me, so I guess Sanae is the scum between the two of us, if one of us is.
I thought, and as mentioned I usually thought wrong about this kind of thing,
that Sanae engaging given the circumstances around it seemed like a genuine reach out for curiosity.
I dunno why scum even bothers. There are other conversations to have.

Avoidance is a coping mechanism.
When Mom is yelling at the cashier that she has children to feed, I might strike up a conversation to distract me from the reality of the situation.

Even how I'm wording that is distancing from the hot coals of- I got distracted and started making a self-deprecating joke mid writing.

humor is also another one.

Do you think Sanae is scum, Yuuka?

Right now? No, but there's a lot of game left.

Eh.
Emotionally distancing/suppressing yourself is a thing.
It's one of my favorites.

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I haven’t been super clear,
But in general I was frustrated. When a player with low content is in my awareness tend just to watch and wait and prod people that aren’t being easy to read.
I vote them.
They say I assaulted them, which I couldn’t tell if they were joking or not, but got offended if they were serious.
I was also slightly annoyed they either thought I was pointing out that purple was the mod’s color as a weapon or warning to be used against (the witch hat girl) I wasn’t, it was just a hey, mod’s color is purple and found it mildly suspicious they were spending their time focusing on the morality of a post rather than something readable. I tend to think scum utilize fairness and drama as a weapon. So yeah, it pinged.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I wasn’t scum reading or town reading aya at the time. It was just an expedition to explore them.

I’m still not sure if they’re scum or not. I can see it either way.

[Yuuka Kazami]

There’s more there now, but it’s hard for me to know when they aren’t keeping mafia separate from what’s going on in a personal capacity. Or if the two are even separate for them.

They say they want to be left alone and not pressured.
They say they’re being unfairly pushed because of their flavor posting and due to activity prodding, they appear to have contempt for players that mindlessly activity prod and dislike the general meta.

It’s challenging to engage someone in such a state.
This is part of why I didn’t really think Sanae scum walks up to them.

But as mentioned. Not much confidence in my interpretation of the whole kerfuffle.
I also don’t think I want to openly speculate on it, because it’s too charged.

I’m not even sure how you’re supposed to approach a player saying they’re depressed mid mafia game.

@i forget who’s who. Names and faces are pretty hard this game. It’s faded. I just don’t want to say someone I think said…and etc.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Wanna make sure I’m following along here.
You don’t see how someone might look at the same posts differently?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yes, that’s accurate.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m not.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Clocks confuse me.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You see? Pretty reasonable.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Can someone explain dai to me, I’ve been bouncing off their posts.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I agree, that pun is atrocious.
Definitely scum in character if not role pm.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Mm. The post looks unusual. But that’s all I got.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think it’s the combination of uwu and wall.
I don’t like the observation but longer more infrequent posts is slightly scum plus, but like. I want slam dunks and to look cool not picking and choosing off of precious little empirical evidence for a quarter of a percent higher chance of hitting scum.

Why do I feel so tired.

I should probably just carve out some time to talk to dai and try to read their posts. Not in that order.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Thanks for having me.

[Yuuka Kazami]

cmon now

does 1 single post (which i think is very justified) undermine all that?

*throws stones at Kagerou*

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think Aya knows how to deescalate.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think I’m relatively satisfied with where my reads are at, so, as long as nobody threatens them
I’m okay.

I think Reisen, Larva, and clown piece are town.

Larvae is strongest TR.
followed by clown.
Followed by Reisen.

[Yuuka Kazami]

They’re already pruned.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Re Reisen.
Tone.
Creativity/originality in reads.
Can relate to some of their posts/observations. They don’t really feel pressed to be here. It comes off as More relaxed than lacking something to do because they’re scum.
Ascetic claim but it’s like 0.001% weighed.
Their read of larvae doesn’t really make sense for scum. Why pick a fight with an ongusing obv town when the ship has largely sailed for the day phase.

On the other hand, It gives them something to do.

[Yuuka Kazami]

We’re clown partners.

Here all week

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m at work so real time chats won’t work for me but I’ll iso you tenshi and ask some questions.

[Yuuka Kazami]

The posts on this page are very dense.
Kouji’s points are pretty up and down and seem kind of ‘fair and balanced’(tm) but I don’t really get where they’re coming from near at all on some of the negative posts. It kind of feels like horse race posting where the goal is more to make it look close rather than to actually lean one way or another. Usually when I see that kind of back and forth I see a real preference between the two, but here it decidedly didn’t feel like that

[Yuuka Kazami]

I am marginally against The Kaguya wagon because, on page 48: Vibes.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It’s not a complaint.
Just bouncing off it.
God knows I could stand to be more clear.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That was a joke, not a reaction test. Hence why I never brought it up again.
I don’t do day vigs for reaction tests for similar reasons as to why I don’t do cop guilties.

It sucks up a whole lot of air.

[Yuuka Kazami]

…does a YouTube video link look like busy work to you? /:
It took me around a minute to do that and I can fake busy work.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I have a hard time looking at tenshi who looks like a dog with a bone and thinking they’re scum.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Please note that is not an insult, dogs are great.

[Yuuka Kazami]

The problem is that your scum takes don’t make sense. “Middle of the road at best” implies you’re scum reading/leaning me.

It just feels like you have a conclusion in mind and are trying to justify it than the other way around.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yes you said that already.
At best implies that, after considering all the information, you have decided that at best you’re neutral on me. Implying that between your best most charitable take is a read of neutrality.
Which leaves the rest of the possibilities as scum reads.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It'll be this evening.

I'm not going down the rabbit hole of arguing over my wording choice when:

A: I stand by it.
and
B: at the end of this wall project i'm going to be giving an in-specific-order reads list anyways.
and
C: I am stuck on my phone until after work.

1. Ew.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Got it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I saw it, I just didn’t care because they were already in the zone of “looking for reasons to temper a read” they probably just linked to the wrong post.

I find their “I stand by it” when 4 players are saying it’s weird/bad/a mistake pretty strange. I guess it could either be a they went to google once and they learned that if you repeat something enough and hold a position consistently enough it can start to move people, they could be right after all, (they’re not, but you know) it’s just strange but possibly just unique to them as a person.
They could just be scum though.
Petit: Ah I see. Meta.

[Yuuka Kazami]

What reaction test?
I already denied it was a reaction test. It was joke, not designed to be taken seriously or to prompt the player to take it seriously.
Hence no follow up, hence no effort put into the shot itself.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That was a joke, not a reaction test. Hence why I never brought it up again.
I don’t do day vigs for reaction tests for similar reasons as to why I don’t do cop guilties.

It sucks up a whole lot of air.

…does a YouTube video link look like busy work to you? /:
It took me around a minute to do that and I can fake busy work.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Kouchi
I decided I don’t really believe them.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I dunno, to me it looks slightly insincere.
But I doubt I’d notice sincerity if it was emblazoned on a brick and thrown through my window.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Kouchi
I decided I don’t really believe them.

no pick a side

You say this because you don’t know what side I’d pick. :3.

Ah, I’m just joking.

Sure I think your death 1v1 fite me is slightly more town than Ichi’s “well, I have to kill someone that isn’t me” might as well be the dog”
They seem to lack conviction even though I have no idea how that can be the case when they’re picking a fight with an active foe when there’s easier LHF to kill.

My general policy is to avoid voting ichi for similar reasons to why they don’t want to vote me.
Albeit, our reasons could actually be very different. I know my motivations, but I don’t know if theirs are real or just an excuse.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Isn’t it normal to have more conviction on a read on page 56 than page 20ish?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Koichi’s ego is hard for me to wrap my head around . Even though my own ego is at least bobblehead tier.

[Yuuka Kazami]

They did do the revision.
I think.
Also, don’t wait around for that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That’s a discredit, but like, their case neither requires nor is assisted by a more through review of every post in the game.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Eliminate all liars.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m not sure that is a play style.
The connections they’re making don’t follow a traditional route. Rather, there’s a pruning system that they’re missing. Hard to know if intentional or they’re just really trying their best to convince themselves they’re town when they aren’t and that’s just what scum them reasoning looks like for them in particular.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh dear.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I mean, statistically, the chances of that are low.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Theatre.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh, I’m up for ichirin too.
I’m just up more for Koishi.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I have no idea where my Sanae read was but they’ve moved up slightly to lean town. With mostly just caution for the sake of it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Oh dear.

What was this in reference to anyways, since you're here and can answer.

Can’t talk about it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think in general your rhetorical style (kind of, I will gladly bear the cross of my maverick thoughts!) and sort of conspiracy style connections and, “I can’t tell you about this important secret thought I have, it’s super important and liable to mess with the game state! In combination with the ego and I’m just pretty confused about how I’m supposed to understand if you’re town or scum.
Eliminatable? Yes. Not too difficult.
But interpretable? That one is pretty hard for me.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yeah, not my expectation. lol.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Do I like causing mass hysteria and panic?

Yes.

Incredible.
Five stars.

[Yuuka Kazami]

clown you're way too good at being aware about the gamestate please stop scaring me

Can’t tell if fake.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Sorry you’re ill Aya.
I hope you recover soon.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I'm confused as to why my positioning and Sanae's positioning indicate that one of us is probably scum.

[Yuuka Kazami]

At first I thought it was like a wedge attempt, but multiple town have found each other, I don't really need to find Sanae town to win the game.
so, I don't really get it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

?_?

[Yuuka Kazami]

I guess, in like a newbie game that reasoning might work.

[Yuuka Kazami]

You're veering into the personal as a strategy for a put down.
I don't see how this argument does anything but benefit you as a player.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I attack bad arguments.
You attack my obnoxiousness.

One of those is a personal characteristic.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Insulting your intelligence and saying someone is making a bad argument is near indistinguishable.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I do not find your argument of wagon positioning to be persuasive.
Even if you are correct.
I also, do not think Koishi's wagon is relatively doomed, because they are not a particularly difficult elimination.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Play nice, folks.

Day 1 Deadline: (expired on 2024-03-18 00:59:57)

Will do.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: ichirin

E-2.
Full claim or you can wait until e-1 if you’d like.

[Yuuka Kazami]

That is quite the crazy role.

[Yuuka Kazami]

UNVOTE:

Backing up for a moment.

Would scum ichirin
A. Claim their real role here when a lie would certainly serve them better?


I mean, I guess they could be scum that doesn’t give a shit. But like.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I mean, I guess they could’ve altered it and the claim is even worse without the alterations but it’s coming off wrong for that based on 1 AM brain.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Play nice, folks.

Day 1 Deadline: (expired on 2024-03-18 00:59:57)

Also I don't particularly get why the game came to a complete halt for five hours especially when Aya was about to step back or simmer down.

They probably won’t respond to you unless you directly pm them. If I correctly remember the rules here.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Well, which ones do you think are bad faith?

[Yuuka Kazami]

For me, it’s just an internal clock thing. Brain says move game forward.

I deleted most of this post because I’m pretty sure it would be a strawman.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I hear your disappointment. I don’t like switching my vote back after just getting a claim, but well. Your tone to me and goodness knows I cannot truly read or understand others. Seems genuine enough to me. Sorry if wrong Kage. Well, I’m sure you’ll get the elimination over the hill without me regardless if you really want it.

VOTE: Koishi

[Yuuka Kazami]

I am actually too tired to parse that, lol

[Yuuka Kazami]

I hear your disappointment (ichirin). I don’t like switching my vote back after just getting a claim, but well. Your tone to me and goodness knows I cannot truly read or understand others. Seems genuine enough to me(ichi). Sorry if wrong Kage(about thinking ichirin might be town). Well, I’m sure you’ll get the elimination over the hill without me regardless if you really want it(kagerou).

VOTE: Koishi

Fixed.

I have paranoia of everyone. Some have placated my paranoia very well(larvae), others not so much.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Ah, eternity,
Sometimes people decide to eliminate someone and have no further questions.

Knowing the difference between a town push and a scum push is real hard though. Honestly you can have scum being super reactionary and being like I don’t know you guys, what if their reaction is town? Hobbley wobbly, and just go somewhere else. Scum and town both have that decision and termination mindset. Albeit each player may have a different system for where that meets.

For example, I do tend to examine player’s reactions more often but not all the time more as scum, because I often times decide earlier who I’m going to eliminate. But there was times when I’m more flexible too, and hiding that is something that’s going to be forefront in decent scum’s mind.


Yes, I am essentially saying the truth is unknowable, despair my pretties.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Less words.

There are town that decide to kill somebody and aren’t looking for reactions and there are scum that decide to kill somebody and are praying that their reactions don’t convince other people to move off of them.

There are also town and scum that are looking for reactions and will improvise.

I dunno which one this is.

[Yuuka Kazami]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

Scum, kill it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

This is, I think one of the reasons I tend to think Clownpiece is fairly townie for just going for the throat while being mildly offended when anyone implies they aren’t trying to kill the scum.

It’s pitch perfect. No notes.

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Kagerou

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow

*squint*
Death wish Dave? Is that you?

[Yuuka Kazami]

I almost want to kill them just for having the gall to do that.

FTR, I am against the kagerou lim.
Miswording isn’t my thing and Dai seems almost feverishly confident.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I want to make very clear that while I say I almost want to kill them, I do not actually want to kill them for it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

There was a missing body of work and lack of proactivivity when they said they would check in with a player they suspected and then they consolidated into a scum read of ichirin after they ran off of with Dai’s argument. If I recall.

That one?

[Yuuka Kazami]

So you don’t buy the ‘somehow’ shifted on a dime thing as coming from town kagerou.

And you don’t buy that they didn’t misstate or exaggerate their read. In a moment of carelessness.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Please note, I am not actually trying okay I’m lying I kind of want to prevent the wagon.

But like, I’m trying to do it from a position of cool offing and dialogue that will hopefully get us both closer to the truth Damnit!

[Yuuka Kazami]

1. Not quite following. I’ll assume you mean to say that it’s convenient that they said they misspoke because that absolves them of having to defend their position.
2. Yes, I’d love to know how their reads have developed.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Maybe this atmosphere isn’t as charged as I think.
Can someone else do it.
I need a nap.

[Yuuka Kazami]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

I want scum to flip.
Unironically.
I just don’t know who the scum are.

[Yuuka Kazami]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

I want scum to flip.
Unironically.
I just don’t know who the scum are.

well yes i also want that and i imagine that a lot of other players want that

but in terms of

actual individual players

, of all of the trains you think could plausibly reach the station today, which player's train is your ideal train at this moment

Probably kouji.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Dai, if kagerou isn’t scum, who is?

[Yuuka Kazami]

0-10 how badly do you want that kagerou wagon Larvae?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Do I really wanna effort into what is a miselim because it’s just that kind of week for me.

Tell you one thing about not being on the eliminating wagon,
I weren’t wrong.
But i weren’t right either.
But most of the time you’ll be right day 1.
As long as you lie to yourself and say you totally knew it.
And hope real hard that people aren’t good enough at math to expose you.

I sure have a lot of free time on my hands.
Should I post this post?
If you have to ask the answer is no.
Which means I totally should.