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Post #43 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:26 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 31, Aureal wrote:
Wow, I was gonna come RVS vote Gimli because I have good information that he's Kira, but apparently I need to figure out setup stuff instead?
How is figuring setup stopping you from rvs voting
let me help there VOTE: Gimli
as for dreams I think I like the slide one, sheep people one and car one
In post 31, Aureal wrote:
Wow, I was gonna come RVS vote Gimli because I have good information that he's Kira, but apparently I need to figure out setup stuff instead?
How is figuring setup stopping you from rvs voting
let me help there VOTE: Gimli
as for dreams I think I like the slide one, sheep people one and car one
hello all. been a while
hey shifty
im townreading your entrance, is that too horrible?
idk
im townreading your response to my entrance, is that too horrible?
kinda liked his rvs solving tbh and that comment exempting me and raven from nonalignment indicative ones kinda looked like he is putting in early effort
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Post #98 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:36 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 91, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I also didn't expect people to talk about the dreams this much when if anyone besides me remembers last game trying to play "guess the dream" was a waste of time until like D3. Although they mostly had some amount of logic you could connect the dots to. Doing so D1 is. . .eh?
yeah like the slide thing has no relationship to what's presented already so I don't expect anyone to guess anything right from names.
but you can see some stuff about how the thinking process behind some guesses is more towny or a scum faking it and is a point of interest to me. whats your take on that from current guesses?
hi! i know this wasn't directed towards me but uhh. ok so kyoko posted. i didn't even know they were in the game but i saw them and they slapped me back to my danganronpa phase. which i barely escaped. i got like. the flashbacks. but also kirigiri best girl. tbh i don't remember much about their posting, just that they had a kirigiri avatar.
i think i like klick's posting so far. i don't remember any posts they made asides from the one on the slider though
Getting slapped back into danganronpa phase is the best anyway. your welcome
As for people who dislike my town lean comment on Gimli in rvs pages, this might make you dislike it more but I mainly put it there to see how he reacts to it. I felt good about him poking my entrance genuinely, but I don't have many solid reads at this time and I get them hard in general.
I also think dragoneater reaction there was okish as it felt genuine, as for it being a bit exaggerated with Gimli, I remember him getting awkward with meta reads before in a way, so I'm not reading much into it.
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Post #610 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:18 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
Alright, this is a terrible game mechanic. I'm gonna apologize for this super mega-long post as I'm trying to put everything in one place. 100 posts for 13 players means everyone should only max post 7 or 8 times to let everyone engage equally and get their share which is super important for day 1 so please don't post more than 8 times.
I do not actually have many strong thoughts but a few things alarmed me and some stuff pinged that I'm gonna gather in one place here, and I sort them player by player.
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Hu Tao's heavy hint on them being a PR by that vt question on last page with their overall lackluster game with bunch of appealing to different slots and showing disinterest in-game is just feeling fake to me. Like it feels too much at the same time. it just feels like they trying to appear as someone who just started mafia and is having their first themed/complicated game? No idea about their meta, yet, they dont seem super new. I think this slot is actually red for real with this start and the way they acted in last page with claim and the way they were disengaging
In post 36, Hu Tao wrote:
I got a Red PM this game. Hopefully it works out!
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In post 571, Prism wrote:
I did mention Vi was known for scumsided mechanics...
Mechanically, that is two neutral/useless dreams and two negative dreams. Basic balance essentially requires dreams to be net +EV, but I'll drop that assumption for now.
But the most important part is the voting. I am extremely annoyed at that power because I was looking to kick into gear with daystart, not slow down. I am unlikely to get Dragon today and don't think I want to even if I could: I think the chance of misreading him by late Day 2/3 is extremely low.
I don't have strong reads right now. I'd put my preference at:
1. Hu Tao
2. Kirigiri
3. Dragon
4. Sunflower
5. Ydrasse
6. Ravens
7. Von Payne
8. Aureal
9. ActionDan
10. Klick
11. Gimli
12. Catgirl Chipotle
There is a gap between my top 2 and the rest. 4-8 are pretty interchangeable. I am for now taking the townreads on Gimli for granted. Catgirl Chipotle is my only townread because I don't think Alisae would continue to disagree with Dunnstral and I mechanically as scum. (Well, maybe if Ravens is scum too, but not going there)
I'm not really confident in my top 2, but Hu Tao is still trying to be a dollarstore Firebringer, and I think Kirigiri's early banter was meh and really disliked the Ravens townread in particular. As much as I wish lower participation wasn't a part of this, it is when I don't have very developed reads. (Kirigiri's headache is especially unfortunate).
VOTE: Hu Tao
Spoiler: Response to Sunflower
In post 247, Sunflower wrote: like prism points out that he didn't expect people to suspect him. frankly I wasn't really paying attention to anything until after page five but i'm pretty sure dragon not expecting suspicion is like in line
Most people don't expect scumreads. You missed both of the points here.
First, Dragon bristles against disagreement and is quick to read bad faith into it. Exhibit A, B, and C. He didn't start doing this here until I pointed out the absence. Instead he was nervously acquiescent.
Frankly, I'm grateful that Dragon accepted my refusal to back-and-forth, but it surprised me because he's usually more of a hound.
Second, and this is more speculative, is that Dragon knows his meta as far as early townreads go. Hypothetically, the townread on Gimli would be keeping in line with it. When I say he didn't expect the skepticism, I mean that some of the nerves/meta break in #1 is because he expected the "Typical Dragon town" lines to roll in, not Black's grilling.
Two separate points you might have missed: Dragon normally pressures more early, didn't happen here, and his reaction to Black still reads as awkwardly adjusting on the fly based off what gets townread and what doesn't.
There is nothing here about your high scum read on me. You say there is a huge space between your top 2 read and next ones. Was it only cause I was disengaged with game since rvs or is there an actual reason for the gap there? Your last posts seems to continue suspecting hau tu yet you vote me instead. still no reason posted for your read on me over a scum read you deliberated on. can you get me through your progress there?
In post 200, ActionDan wrote:
However I don't find the difference between DE and Kiri / Gimli substantial. Why not throw these two in similar buckets?
My early Dragon read was personalized. I haven't played with either of Kirigiri/Gimli. I didn't townread either, and reviewing still don't.
I think Kirigiri's Silver Ravens read about mech solving is bland and underinclusive, though. Do Klick, Catgirl Chipotle, and I all get the same treatment?
Not sure if this is what granted that progress or if it makes sense, but assuming this is your reason, as you put it, it was just a bland observation and a gut feeling, not even a read as you put it.
Just felt like them observing 11 to 12 might be revive is more likely from a town persuing mechanics for town than scum thinking about various manipulations these dreams might cause.
ultimately the dream names dont seem to have any relationship with the stuff they do and I dont think it ultimately means too much what people think about them or what they observe, but the spirit of solve and guessing might feel genuine or not genuine and I felt this particlar one felt fine or whatever?
but yea bland
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DE's start felt invested, then it felt like he is attention seeking and trying a bit too hard to be main topic, which I feel from a pattern of behavior was naturally reached.I mean, the posts way of him heating up and getting invested/entitled/aggressive feels like a natural progression.
I find his reaction to klick and prism a bit too reactionary at times but at this moment I think its more from a town de feeling they need to attention seek/engage back/react than a scum de making an emotion up if it makes sense? then
This feels too self aware as he is adjusting to uphold a self meta? Im not sure If I'm explaining it well. It just pinged me so I'm gonna put it here or as one would call it a bland observation?
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gimli calling hau tu lamist is so on brand for him analyzing similar type players, but I don't agree with you. I think they are on purpose going for a too scumy to be scum approach more than likely to just be throwing random garbage to disengage.
gimlis general approach to that "first post is advsing choosing slide" so this should be coming from scum is something I expect more from a town gimli than a scum one in analyzing stuff.
50: Oh really? Willing to bet you can't identify what that effort consisted of. Have you had a thought to what alignment your and raven's posting might be linked to from DE? He didn't specify town or scum. I'd call your evaluation presumptuous.
51: How strange it is that you showed quite good judgement in our last game and now you post something like this. Gimli has yet to solve in any particularly serious capacity. Calling Kiri town? Is that the solving you are lauding?
82: Choosing a few dreams is not exactly game breaking regardless of choice, why wouldn't scum attempt to make a best effort to truthfully mech solve if the result only minorly effects their gameplan if at all?
In post 84, Prism wrote:
DragonEater70, whose eagerness to discuss and find townreads on people feels like a hamfisted ingratiation attempt. There are no touches of pressure scattered throughout, and these are tools are best used in conjunction.
I agree with the read. However I don't find the difference between DE and Kiri / Gimli substantial. Why not throw these two in similar buckets?
In post 143, DragonEater70 wrote:
And also I think, if I'm allowed to indulge in usesPython imitation, that questioning that read is cringe and mafpilled.
No it isn't. Your read was and is trash. Even if you consider yourself to be a Gimli whisperer without fallibility you should think others might question your read, rightfully so.
144: Yet he leaned into Kiri's pretty much immediately. And yours too.
146: This more or less seals Prism's towniness to me. Assuming the sentiment had to do with alignment too which is borne out in later posts.
There's some black and gimli posting I've only skimmed and I will dive into to get better reads on both but my general thoughts right now is that {DE, Kiri, Gimli} are scummiest (and of those DE scummier) and everyone else looks decently good in comparison (aside from Klick who is as lame as he was last game).
Briefly about Dreams and such. I would advise picking dreams that both look best and look like they DONT have global effects. I think rule 8 kills off the useless Slide dream. I think whatever or whoever caused the reveal to be pro-town. My Dreams selections will be 11-12 dial, Vi, Car Seat and I hope everyone chooses these.
VOTE: Dragon
I am thinking about this but cant conlclude if the points here are attempt at early solving/getting reactions or faking busy work. its so obvious that post 47 and 48 are just me and gimli saying we "hope" that the other is town more than actually saying the other is actually town. its just been a while we played with each other and we like each others game. to then dump a comment saying " its scummy to have this opinion" on the no opinions that were made is just saying something to have it said more than actually feeling the context and trying to solve it.
and then claiming its a town block based on it?
then rest of those reads sound "angry" ? Like I think there is a bit of aggressiveness there that feels unnatural? how can you post a bunch of notes about those many different posts and only say bad things about them and in ways like "good for you" ""Oh really? " "How strange it is" etc... it just feels toooooooo aggressive for commenting on early posts that it doesnt feel like its even an attempt to get reactions of.
I actually am alarmed by this post in different ways.
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need more from catgirl and sunflower and Aureal and klick
catgirl feels analytic enough at start of this phase and I like their insisting on slide mechanic talk there but alisaw is there and there isnt much to analyze. I like the reactions they did
sunflowers last post feels ok but before that, it feels they just wanted to react to stuff to announce they are here more than doing any influence in game. I like some of their takes in last post. not too hard reads to forge overall but some make sense stances and thought process and clearly explained bits.
Nothing about Aureal tbh.
klicks votes need more context for me? their push on slide and sheeple is too out there for it to be from a scum pushing it with scum agenda? but yeah overall, not much
I might have missed someone but this post already took 2 hours and half from me. Its so hard posting a big take of these many pages.
Not too much shit from me as I dont have my usual ammunition to engage, take out a pattern and see reactions this day phase, but I think from all options hu is actually decent bet for flipping red here and they been more performative than actually lost. and I hope people to post some wall posts like this about other slots so I can analyze some read progresses and get some opinions sorted, in mean while I agree with you all even before you say it that all my reads are bland and weak as I don't vomit reads and it takes me more to make some..
VOTE: Hu Tao
edit: This post is made without reading like last 8 posts cause I need to eat and I dont have time to read them before submitting this
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Post #650 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:02 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
tonight instead of talking about all my reads I want to focus on one,
people are saying Hu Tao can be really lost and posting these, I want to counter argue that I'm sure he is faking/forging this behavior intentionally the clues here are significant actually:
This is how he claimed he is lost:
In post 274, Hu Tao wrote:
I'm lost this game. So I'm going to blend into the background. Is that okay?
he didnt specify he is lost on mech or reads. he didnt attempt to make a read at this point nor had any comments regarding mech. just posted "Im lost" and did neither.
The first read he dropped:
In post 295, Hu Tao wrote:
Dragon this may be my fastest town read on you yet
and it came out of nowehere. this either formed based on de's reaction to people criticizng his gimli read or de's mech talks in few posts back? yet how either could cause a fast tr on hu's side if he was truely "lost" and not just being him "forcing a distance" from game.
He keeps claiming he is lost again and again in different content yet doesnt do anything else substantial:
In post 321, Hu Tao wrote:
Wait so has the game not started yet? I'm lost
In post 386, Hu Tao wrote:
So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?
In post 386, Hu Tao wrote:
So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?
Yep
~B
What should I pm?
These are just super appealy while maintaining the distance from game and taking any responsibility for a vote by not even claiming what they voted even at the end:
In post 583, Hu Tao wrote:
Sure we can eliminate me. I have 0 clue what's happening anyway sorry
VOTE: hu tao
absoloutly emotional reaction for an emotion that is ungranted? if you have 0 clue about stuff you cnat read one post that explains it? you cnat read the PMs mode sent about whats going on? What is confusing here even?
In post 614, Hu Tao wrote:
I'm sorry I just can't do long posts. I'm more of a react player than a thought player I think.
Umm. So I think catgirl or sunflower I would like to eliminate.
Dragon I think is town. I can understand why he is weary of me based on past games.
I think I wouldn't be this lost as scum since scum always has all the info. I guess you can say I could be faking not knowing stuff but that seems lame.
The bolded parts are alarming. he said he wants to try game but this doesnt seem even if they read a single post of these players, suggest and point finger without stating any question, anything that alarmed them? anything they want from these players while claiming they wanna read people based on reactions? It makes no sense
then second bolded part is putting an idea in people head to justify not voting them, This makes it obvious that it is intentional that he did all the other posts before to "claim" since scum knows stuff they couldnt dumbtell and make this "seemingly" paradox in people head to justify not voting him for no reason.
"I guess you can say I could be faking not knowing stuff but that seems lame"
Why lame? you're using it to act as you should be town read for it for no reason?
In post 615, Hu Tao wrote:
Okay. So actually I have a theory based on the mod post.
This might be dumb, but scum likely asked if just unvoting would count toward the post count, and scum likely knew before mod posted here that it would. So it got me to look at who did so.
Gimli based on last death note game I just checked never really used unvote before, he would just vote his next person without doing unvote. The only time he actually posted unvote was when he was about to win anyway at the very end of the game.
So yeah, it's probably silly but I think gimli could be scum. Based off that. Dragon do you think I'm looking into that too much? You don't have to reply to this directly, just reply on your next big post you make I suppose.
VOTE: Gimli
Then they do this post, now this is interesting, cause its reaching. Its guessing based on info we cant ever have about possible mod interactions with players and a dumb rule for a dumb mechanic put on game, that even if true and they asked mode about it in private, would not prove they were a scum doing it, they might have asked that after doing the unvote in game. yet we dont even know if such question was even asked in first place, or mod decided to clarify it as it happened in game and thought we should know about it.
Its soooo wierd to make such reach to put down a vote, that I say either hu is the scum who saw other scum or themself ask the question and decided to use that as a legit push or felt desprate and decided to go that way cause gimli is being doubted by few slotsand he thought it might stick or redirect attention?
In post 36, Hu Tao wrote:
I got a Red PM this game. Hopefully it works out!
THEN this. His first post in game.
I don't feel he is a town making a gamble to get reactions here. I think this entire play is a scum being cheeky. going for a too scummy to be scum appearence and trying to get few phases in that way.
I think he is best bet for flipping red today based on this pattern of posting.
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Post #682 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:29 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I love how hu completely ignored my post on them and while replying and reacting to some votes and stuff going on, said nothing about stuff I posted. nothing is changed about my opinion on them.
Hu, Why do you think Catgirl is scummy, and why the vote there?
aureal making linked reads is pretty meh and can feel with agenda but overall I got the sense of frustration in them from the state of the game which I can completely relate to. but then they posted like 6 paragraphs with less than 1 paragraph of content in it so it also feels like extremely busy work. I'm not sure if I'm sold they are scum? but it's a slot I won't oppose a wagon on. This phase sucks for getting more content out of people which is why I'm pretty happy with just sticking to hu at the moment which I'm confident they will flip red even with all their performances and how people are buying the appeals they dropping left and right to pass the phase. and I think that's the correct move, cause I doubt having more phases will get anything extra out of them.
I don't think I scum-read cat girl at all. I think its a complicated slot and its not the phase to even try to read them and I think what they want out of this phase makes sense as a town perspective so I'm not concerned.
sunflower's slot is dropping some hydra member disconnections and variant reads in posts that can be a purposed method of trying and making them look real, yet their analysis also has a long body of busy work. I don't like their push on actiondan and insist on there tbh cause it felt like sheepy and choosy. yet I was fine with the pressure there cause till actions last post I was more concerned with that slot. But to want it elimed at that point was almost literally throwing a coin toss about a slot that was refusing to engage in the game and had no content. that of course changed a bit with actions last post about the slot and I'm actually fine with em right now.
One other thing is Aurel read on Klick, saying they think klick was deflecting attention from my case on hu by saying it's towny. I can't lie that I also got same feeling. I think there is a chance that hu is town and "performs" They are lost and do whatever they doing for whatever reason. but to say this play is not scummy cause it doesnt benefit scum is very flawd logic and disconnection from reality. as if hu is scum and doing this, that is exactly the same idea they want in people's head to just let them be and not engaged with. I dont think hu wanted this much attention and was trying to lie low with "I'm lost bits" on purpose. so if you guys have a meta that actually suggests he is capable of that and did that before I would like to analyze it.
I really think hu is scum from top to bottom. this pattern of post and how they changed approach few times, is all consistent with a scum view point and not a town one in any universe and I think they are best option considering the situation in this phase.
I dont have a high town lean on prism unlike many it seems. I think what they did in game was pretty simple to fake as scum so far.
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Post #847 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:57 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
yeah well, ...
I still think hu was the correct move, even though I was hoping for more people posting and reacting to wagon before it sailed. There should be clues in places about people who wanted to avoid the wagon entirely and with people who jumped on it to progress the game and take it out of that nightmare mode so that will be my next focus.
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Post #850 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:02 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I didn't think they are a pr. I thought they are a scum pretending to not know vt role to use the way of worded pms to act as such. It felt like a performance.
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Post #851 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:04 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 849, Prism wrote:
"It probably gave us clues" is one of the most abstract reasons I've seen to rationalize a wrong vote.
There was no logic for a town player to play the way they did. yet I could rationalize their play as a scum motivated play in many different ways. So I dont regret the wagon. The day phase was the worst for getting content out of people, so I wanted a wagon formed on a slot I was sure I cant get more out of and I thought had a decent chance of being scum.
I litteraly cant vibe with any of your reasoning for why you were thinking they were town. Is there a meta reason regarding hu and their play or is there something else I'm missing? cause you were dead silence for second half of the day where that wagon was pushed to fruition and my case on it
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Post #855 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:10 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 853, Prism wrote:
One of these scenarios requires extreme creativity and out-of-the-box thinking because it is
unique to this specific game's
VT PM. The other scenario is that someone literally just doesn't know if they're a backup PR or not because it's not obvious from the PM.
Not really. its super easy to perform as you dont get anything about game, your own role pm, the general mafia games at all (cause everyone knows in almost all games a sample role pm is posted) and it was well into them trying to appear as they are lost entirely
Maybe I'm just the type to give so much credit to people when its not deserved but I explained why I thought their entire being lost thingy was a performance before in a large wall post and I'm not gonna go over that again.
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Post #864 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:17 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
posts 653 and 669 are making me feel .... some stuff ... and I think these are somehow alignment indicative on these two slots, yet I dont wanna call it even leans in either direction yet
also von's switch on hu saying he agrees on his hu's read and then dunns push on gimli on twilight feels a bit tickly to me in certain ways but I dont wanna call it a lean yet either.
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Post #1315 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:46 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
@prism its been some time since I made the case on hu and obviously, now that he flipped green I don't feel the same way I was when I wrote the case on him. My case on him wasn't specifically about that one instance of him saying "what VT looks like" at the time reading his posts gave me the vibe that he in general is faking being lost, which I still think to some degree he was even though he flipped town.
Considering what I wrote and how I felt about them faking that to such an extent I was assuming they are very likely red trying to drop certain tells/reasons for others to town read them.
I spearhead that wagon on a day we couldn't get much out of people, where I thought he was probably the best bet for flipping red. Not sure if this answers your question or concern or if there is something else specific about it that I didn't understand
2 wolves on wagon makes sense to me. Von Payne is inno. Gimli could be 3 but I'm only going back there once Ydra and/or Kyoko flip villager.
Ydra is TMI'ing through the entire game so it makes sense for her as a wolf to want to be offwagon.
The other vanity votes are likely things that are just coming from town in this gamestate.
idunno, I really think it just has to be Kyoko + Ydra + Aureal but if I color in our reads with that last votecount, we have something which is very much so just realistic.
This is a horrible read list and your reasons here are pretty garbage too. You're setting up miselims back to back from what I see
In post 1295, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
ActionDan
- Maria townread, go ask her about it.
- Pointing out the hide target does point towards them being town but its something a wolf could and should consider doing.
Gimli
- 1133 is bizarre enough to want to kill other things
- the conclusion I can therefore come to is wolf asset
Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
- fellow slide supporter
- very much so just doing their own thing
- op role
Prism
- has pretty much mostly been doing their own thing and doesn't seem like they're doing anything that is aimed towards a wolf gameplan.
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
- Maria Townread, go ask her about it
- Nothing they've done makes me think they could be suspect.
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
- to me when I see them post I just see obvtown
Aureal
- an outed wolf
Ydrasse
- Has been TMI'ing throughout the entire game.
- Reasons to townread are not as good as the reasons for everyone else. This is just an objective fact.
- Self-declared "Deepwolf"
Kyoko Kirigiri
- Interesting how Ydra has been TMI'ing Hu Tao as town while Kyoko is on the wagon w/ Aureal.
- Aside from that I don't rly got much of anything.
like what is this even. you calling a bunch of slots just town for not even stating your reasons for them. I cant even follow a single read here, (maybe but the one on ydresse that I need to recheck after) and then you say get my POE and then flip gimli after? Your entire "scumread" on me is based on a poe that then you check the vc to make sense of it that way? this is such a lazy alisae scum hunt that if you're town here I tell you that you're worng on me and you need to put in better work there and if you're scum, its a pretty shallow build up to this and I'm not sure why no one else called on it.
In post 978, Von Payne wrote:
Thank you for being our first guests and for taking your shoes off before you came in
I kinda want to recruit Aureal tomorrow. Not only is she probably town but I think she'll keep the vibes mellow ya know
~B
Oh crap what if I killed Aureal by saying this
Quick somebody scumread Aureal
also is it just me that is alarmed by this? this to me feels like scum setting up to invite scum with their "looks very towny" neighborizing/ night talk enabling role.
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Post #1318 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:02 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
Also I'm a bit confused about the progression toward hu vote by von in last phase. At first I thought its mainly hydras going different directions, but it felt like both were agreed suddenly on hu?
In post 622, Von Payne wrote:
I'm leaning town on Hu Tao. I think she's capable of dumbtelling as scum but she does it fairly often as town and they generally come across as genuine feeling. That's the vibe I'm getting here
~B
In post 631, Von Payne wrote:
I agree that Aureal and Hu need to do more(heyo, Drew calling the kettle Black), I could get a read on them better the more they post......which is why I have a slight scum lean on Hu as she seems to be willfully not engaging much
-Drew
In post 664, Von Payne wrote:
All that being said, I agree with you on Hu, after thinking about her some more this feels much less like the town version of her.
and then black posts and doesnt change vote but it just feels so weird how they progressed on this while they were also re-evaluating gimli there. This sequence kinda stands out to me
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Post #1321 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:17 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
catgirl regarding your ydresse read. what stood out as TMI for you
In post 667, Ydrasse wrote:
using up one of my government mandated posts
i'm leery of voting hu tao because of 615 despite my better judgment lol. i think hu's iso is pretty bland in a way that feels more concerned with like not... giving out info than it is doing anything. but i am sympathetic to all of these long posts not being fun. because i agree and i have read only chunks here and there.
i think 615 matches that sort of pattern well but also it seems a little goofy to me to post that as a wolf thinking it'll do anything unless hu has given up entirely and has no hopes whatsoever of trying and doesn't wanna reveal anything. i guess it's maybe more likely if the format is detrimental to how she likes to play. maybe i am being too nice but i dont feel it in my heart
In post 713, Ydrasse wrote:
to explain a bit more now that the weight of a post limit isn't on my shoulders i really didn't feel like she was a wolf despite the i guess. "obvious markers" or patterns wolves fall into, it felt too... premature i guess to have given up entirely even with the limitations. like there was minimal effort at all other than the one post until the end
i don't think hu really gets beaten down like that so fast
This particular read on hu to avoid the wagon is the closest thing I can find to being a TMI and I can see it potentially being one. just not sold if it makes them scum.
I dont like the sunflower "manufactured" push with no instances to back it up.
is ydresse usually a player who votes based on "feels" and does feel hunt?
i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.
i kinda like this post
In post 1309, Ydrasse wrote:
the catgirls are trying their best but it is simply not enough
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Post #1322 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:23 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
for my sanity
In post 748, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
Aureal - My gut tells me that they're uninformed but I think her confusing who is posting in our hydra, as well as our posting, makes sense if she has AFK teammates.
Hmm, looking at the wagon comp I feel like Catgirl is the most likely scum on Hu, I think it's likely all of us who got on after are town. I'm... not sure of Kyoko yet, it feels kinda bold for scum to so strongly push a town wagon but she'd make sense partnered with Dan and trying to push away from that, or Prism maybe. Von Payne is not quite there in the green block with us yet, I was getting a bit of weird vibes from Drew and his talk about wanting more interaction, like he was trying to hint maybe he didn't even realize there was a post restriction? Like I can almost believe he wouldn't, even in a hydra where his partner should definitely be talking about it with him, because I recently did hydra with him and he uh maybe didn't pay that much attention to me at times
I dunno about the cw and their towniness, I really need more from 2 of them and need to look closer at Ravens.
Pedit: oh wow people are posting a lot, I'm so slow on phone x.x
If auriel is truely scum, there should be at least one other scum named here. This post was made on tope of their head and I dont see them truely evaluating all town and not dropping a read on a scum buddy when evalutaing hu's vca
catgirl, me, dan, prism
I think I'm thinking auriel possibly dan, catgirl maybe at the moment
Yet if von is neighborizing people at night that makes them auto town with your logic?
What's with the overly pointed tone? Just because you do not understand how someone goes from point A to point B doesn't=wolf and yet all you've tried to do is subtext a push of "your logic doesn't make sense to me so that makes you a wolf?"
Considering there was no reevaluation and what Hu Tao flipped. . .
There was literally no pointed tone - just a genuine question and point of comparison.
I just find it in paradox to get such conclusion for a public neighborizing role so immediately and consider what ydresse claimed and how he did it suspiciously. I was simply questioning the logic here. would you mind to elaborate your logic to me if one exists?
also what does this has to do with hu tao? cause I was wrong there I shouldnt question anything else?
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Post #1484 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:34 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 1470, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I think I'm prob gonna try and convince Alisae to vote off Kiri over Ydra because I can see Ydra being like this as a villager (because villagers normally have pity parties for themselves over wolves) where as I think Kiri's play just doesn't come from a villager half the time or at least, I don't remember this level of ego and it's seriously throwing me off.
also regarding this
I'm not sure what implies ego in my gameplay, but if by any chance its a genuine thought and not just you as scum trying to get away from my legit question with this emotional fightback, I apologize for any "ego" in my play.
However, I'm just not feeling it as a real thought in any universe, and this even makes me suspicious more of what's going on in your slot. so there is that
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Post #1485 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:35 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I can understand different hydra partners getting different thoughts but I thought the read list ali posted was summary of both heads thoughts as it was portrayed as such
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Post #1489 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:44 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I played with alisae enough for sure. I'm a returning player from a long time ago but thats not the point.
however, my main concern is how can alisae see a public neighborizing role and immidiatly call it town and make a poe list to push based on such take, while still be the suspicious ali I know to drop that sentence about ydre claim in a day we already have a soft guilty on and clearly its not worth it to push there anymore.
The thought process makes no sense to me.
also mafia is about finding people who dont really have reads and are fabricating them so I dont feel guilty if that was the tone of my question. However it was still a question and didnt mean I'm right and everyone else is wrong - with what you called ego or whatever.
In post 978, Von Payne wrote:
Thank you for being our first guests and for taking your shoes off before you came in
I kinda want to recruit Aureal tomorrow. Not only is she probably town but I think she'll keep the vibes mellow ya know
~B
Oh crap what if I killed Aureal by saying this
Quick somebody scumread Aureal
also is it just me that is alarmed by this? this to me feels like scum setting up to invite scum with their "looks very towny" neighborizing/ night talk enabling role.
In post 1318, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
Also I'm a bit confused about the progression toward hu vote by von in last phase. At first I thought its mainly hydras going different directions, but it felt like both were agreed suddenly on hu?
In post 622, Von Payne wrote:
I'm leaning town on Hu Tao. I think she's capable of dumbtelling as scum but she does it fairly often as town and they generally come across as genuine feeling. That's the vibe I'm getting here
~B
In post 631, Von Payne wrote:
I agree that Aureal and Hu need to do more(heyo, Drew calling the kettle Black), I could get a read on them better the more they post......which is why I have a slight scum lean on Hu as she seems to be willfully not engaging much
-Drew
In post 664, Von Payne wrote:
All that being said, I agree with you on Hu, after thinking about her some more this feels much less like the town version of her.
and then black posts and doesnt change vote but it just feels so weird how they progressed on this while they were also re-evaluating gimli there. This sequence kinda stands out to me
Im gonna repost these two which are good points in game to go back and reread context of. I wanna know what you think of their reads/progression on hu and aureal mainly
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Post #1509 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:09 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
Im not sure if we can guesswork this. I have few ideas of how scum can have roles related to dreams. from enforcing them to various types of manipulations.
Not really sure what I think about sunflowers question/slip(?) thingy at all
mariar dont miss my last page post when you have time please
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Post #1514 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:16 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I want you to reread the context around it and let me know what you think about how they got there to hu read or what you think about what they were doing about aureal in night pt they had before the hider soft guilty was revealed
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Post #1538 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:25 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
von's defense of aureal and what he was during during night to set his role up for hm was scummy. to say that gimli is not doing any evaluations to have those reads is unfair. I wish he wouldnt get so anxious about game to replace out like that and I'm super sad about this, but I feel fairly decent that he was town here and probably had good reads, cause my current reads overlap completely with his last ones.
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Post #1567 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:03 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
I have just been iso reading slots and those were stuff that stuck out. I didnt get why did you need to announce your possible next night target for neighborizing last night. It felt really out of place and felt like you wanna normalize something about it that otherwise is not a normal choice?
As for that aureal post, i just thought its a good one to keep in mind for future when iso readong them. It wasnt to produce a read on anyone particular.
With aureal not being here to even claim, i think they are really a cornered scum who dont wanna give us info but my entire reads currently is based on aureal tbh, so i really need to see that flip personally.
And i asked your reads cause i dont follow the flow. Specially on certain slots like catgirl cause you barely ever talked about yourvread on them. Thats what i want mainly not readlists per say. Thanks for responding however.
In post 1514, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
I want you to reread the context around it and let me know what you think about how they got there to hu read or what you think about what they were doing about aureal in night pt they had before the hider soft guilty was revealed
In post 1538, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
von's defense of aureal and what he was during during night to set his role up for hm was scummy. to say that gimli is not doing any evaluations to have those reads is unfair. I wish he wouldnt get so anxious about game to replace out like that and I'm super sad about this, but I feel fairly decent that he was town here and probably had good reads, cause my current reads overlap completely with his last ones.
Your honor, I present to you Kyo setting up the associative my lovely hydra partner brought up
I stand by both comments btw. I felt wierded put with the way you played night and early day 2 regarding aureal and i want more slots to check and tell what they think about it.
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Post #1577 (isolation #54) » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:19 pm
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
In post 640, DragonEater70 wrote:
Again I implore all of you to consolidate on a wagon, and reiterate that ideally we get someone to E-1 before 50 posts are up. My vote on Prism was more supposed to be a sign of protest against her vote on Sunflower rather than a legitimate attempt at a wagon but I'm now going to consolidate on either Hu Tao or ActionDan. Like I'll just vote whichever gets more votes.
Hu Tao if you are going to play the "I have no idea what's happening this game but Dragon is my only townread" game, then you should at the very least realize that Gimli is completely off the table today and we ain't voting him no matter what. I do think you're reading way too much into that thingy with the unvotes especially because I think everyone assumed unvotes wouldn't count (including myself, I even suggested using no elim > unvote as a signal), and this only got clarified after I PM'd the mods about this because I realized oer the wording of the rules it would actually count. Also I get you're not used to writing long posts but I am sure you can explain your scumread on Sunflower for instance (which btw are also off the table unless you make an amazing case for them. While Gimli is off the table regardless of how amazing your case is).
Regarding Aureal, like okay I think her last post nudged the needle from "null town but sus" to "less-null town but still sus". I really have no idea what she thinks a pressure vote on Ydrasse is gonna achieve. Actually while writing this I realized it's extremely weird for her to do that when every time she gets oressure voted she complains so maybe I should actually untownread her. Oh my god I hate scumreading Aureal, it's not good for my mental health. Like last game she was just okay with being scumread and here she's not and I have no idea what changed unless it's that she's town this game and wasn't annoyed for getting last game cause she was scum. But on the other hand her actions don't make sense. So yeah I'm just going to let someone cop her. Maybe myself because I may or may not be an investigation role. Hmmmmmm. Anyway yeah I'm not down for voting her today if only because I value my own sanity.
ActionDan it would be really grand if you expressed some reads because iirc the last time you expressed any read whatsoever was over 400 posts ago? At least over 300 posts ago for sure.
I don't think I've posted since Kyoko's big post, so yeah I really liked it and on rereading of Kyoko's ISO I'm comfortable calling her town. Possibly for bad reasons though now that I remember the game I played where she was scum. Eh not going to revisit that right now. I think she just town. I do think that as scum she'd put more effort in to look like she has confident reads rather than the pretty unconfident reads she seems to have.
Do I have anything else to say? Inb4 I press submit and immediately remember a bunch of other stuff I wanna say. Hold on a minute while I browse the last page... Okay yeah I do have something. I kinda get why people don't like Gimli's post last page, I also didn't really like parts of it, but in my experience the things that I and other people didn't like aren't actually alignment indicative for Gimli? I can't really elaborate on it but I just think that as town Gimli sometimes has pretty meh thoughts that you don't like. Maybe because he doesn't filter his thoughts to look good, idk. Not saying all his thoughts are like that because I mentioned I did like other thoughts of his from that post. Anyway to all his scumreaders I'd say what you are scumreading in that post is either NAI or town-indicative.
Oh and I would like to hear thoughts from Klick. If he has a spicy scumread I might sheep him.
I'm sad nobody paid attention to me saying "yeah I'm not voting Catgirls this phase" followed immediately by a vote on Catgirls. I personally found it funny. No it wasn't intentionally counterintuitive, I just changed my mind right after pressing submit. But anyway right now I'm pretty undecided about them, idk.
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Post #1591 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:08 am
Postby Kyoko Kirigiri »
Also i dont care about changing your read on me. If you have questions thats on me to answer them. But your read is your responsibility and if youre really town and you just wanna drop a confscum read on me and dont put effort in its your issue. However Im almost set on you being scum anyway at this point as well but i have clear reasons for it.
I am town. My play makes sense as town and a misllim push on me probably wont work for reasons.