Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

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let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

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let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

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Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

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no content? guys would you rather be a horse or a dung beetle

VOTE: ketchup777

Srs vote find scum vote scum easy peasy.

low hanging fruit methinks

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like I think a lot of what people on this site read as indicative of inexperienced scum is really more indicative of town that doesn't know site meta/culture yet

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let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

Sus

join me on the jackson train hu tao

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{DKKoba}
{Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{usesPython}
{ketchup777}
{Hu Tao}

P1.

VOTE: DKKoba
lol

hi ranger I do not understand how you do the lists so early, pls explain

like is it all just vibes or is there anything more there

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VOTE: Hu Tao

Serious vote.

why hu tao?

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

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I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

I tried to but noone told me if they would prefer to be a horse or a dung beetle

Very tragic

//definitely a horse

others have also said it, but you definitely aren't posting too much. making sure you get your thoughts out and are open with everything is good play

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

I'm not saying you're wrong, but this feels very premature

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I see your point then

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I don’t think it was a lie, I believe it was an accident. I just think the accident is more likely to come from maf doing a half-hearted job of scumhunting than an awesomely excited very eager to catch all of the mafia townie (hi you’re going down mafalafs)

why do you think town are *less* likely to make accidents and slips? considering that we are the uninformed faction? (i am aware this is kinda the opposite question of the one I asked black, but humour me)

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I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

i think the miller claim D1 can be left for now

like i have a very, very old instinct to policy lim claimed millers that i'm trying to get past

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I fake claim miller

joke, or fake breadcrumb for if we ever get a guilty on them?

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I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

it's actually a traitor soft

don't scumclaim unless you really want me to policy koba

i'm trying to rise out of anti-miller hate, but i just might

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

having just said that, this response makes me feel very nervy about ketchup

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

don’t be fooled by my post count I’ve literally only played 1 game I just made 777 posts

actually that makes a lot more sense, thank you

it felt a bit rude calling you a newbie when you've only made 300 odd less game posts than me

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join me on the jackson train hu tao

I didn't actually think it was sus. I lied
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you've broken my heart hu </3

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wow I screwed up the quote tags on that one

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VOTE: Hu Tao
Serious vote.

why hu tao?

Vibes.

Why

not

Hu Tao?

I'll allow this for now, gut says ranger is town

hu tao seems null to me so far

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For Hu Tao, I looked just now at her ISO but there’s not actually much there, I guess I was just taken in by her vibes and stuff. To me it seems fairly similar to last time so far. yay!

yh this is why hu tao is null

and I've only played w scum!hu tao so idk how AI this would be for them

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Why am I town

You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,

obviously

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so you're claiming? /jk

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LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*

fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game

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LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

Well than, let's apply more pressure

VOTE: LG

This vote was supposed to be attached to that post lol

the suspense was masterful

it was, I'm quaking in my boots

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Your titus vote wasn't a joke?

Would like some clarification on this as well, I kinda thought Ketchup was my spirit animal......but now fear I was just seeing myself in him a bit too much(play style wise).

Jacksons confidence he is showing scares me as well, stop being scary.

Ranger gets town points for her joke, well played ma'am

gut says this is town

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LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*

fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game

Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?

because I was still thinking about whether it meant anything beyond "I'm town, but we're barely out of rvs and this is the best reason I have to SR someone". if you'd made the same vote D2, or even 20 pages in, it would have been a much more immediate red flag rather than just a yellow one

the other two votes seemed very sheep-y which I don't think means *that* much in the first five pages. python, it's very early but the few posts they've made don't feel like scum!python from the one game I've been in with them. koba seems very neutral (like beyond the vote, I've no reason to disbelieve the miller claim, I don't like the traitor soft joke but it's not something I want to read into without more evidence).

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VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.

In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum

again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

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VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.

In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum

again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

I wouldn't classify ketchup as LHF at all. In the last game we played he was pretty obviously town. I'm not getting the same vibes here yet

in my first ever game on this site eight years ago, I did a decently good job (as town) of coming across as fairly obvious town. like, better than i've normally been able to replicate since. in my second I got mislimmed, day one, *as an innocent child*. i think from experience that in first games, it can be easier to maintain a high, productive, solve-y *energy* that's easy to TR, but hard to maintain when the first game novelty wears off but you don't yet have the experience to be *confident* in your play, and ketchup very much comes across like that to me rn

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again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

I wouldn't classify ketchup as LHF at all. In the last game we played he was pretty obviously town. I'm not getting the same vibes here yet

in my first ever game on this site eight years ago, I did a decently good job (as town) of coming across as fairly obvious town. like, better than i've normally been able to replicate since. in my second I got mislimmed, day one, *as an innocent child*. i think from experience that in first games, it can be easier to maintain a high, productive, solve-y *energy* that's easy to TR, but hard to maintain when the first game novelty wears off but you don't yet have the experience to be *confident* in your play, and ketchup very much comes across like that to me rn

Outside of the one example you just gave about yourself, is there anything about Ketchup here that would support your theory?

I'll admit that its fundamentally based on vibes. but its an increasingly strong vibes read. the mindset behind posts like this gives unsure, uncomfortable town:

Your titus vote wasn't a joke?

Would like some clarification on this as well, I kinda thought Ketchup was my spirit animal......but now fear I was just seeing myself in him a bit too much(play style wise).

The idea came after looking up what fencesitting meant and I was like woah, staying neutral? that sounds like something the mafia would do let’s not do that. but I assure my votes (at least by a couple days from now) will probably mostly be well thought out. Anyway, to answer the question of do i suspect Titus, ignoring post 244 for a sec, yes. A little bit. I wasn‘t expecting to be immediately attacked by any of the friends from a few weeks ago in their first post. And I thought I had made a friendly and recognisable reference to Titus, which I had expected to be reciprocated, but now was surprised when it was both ignored and she voted me.

With 244 having been posted, i guess Titus just gets around. 80,000 posts is a lot. Or she wasn’t truly invested in the last game idk. Anyway. It hurts, but it also explains her opening more.

Basically, I had definitely assumed Titus would remember me, even if we didn’t talk much. Context: I‘m pretty sure I had asked her to tell some interesting mafia stories at the end of a mini convo we‘d been having, but she was hammered before she could respond. So, on the assumption that she remembered me, her cold/standoffishish opening to me was weird.

I read the mindset behind the first paragraph here as "I want to be a productive townie, but I'm not sure how and I'm not sure why people started scumreading me even though I'm trying". It feels like genuine reactive frustration, in a way that doesn't come out as much once you've experienced it a few times (especially if we are used to it because we're admittedly not very good, but keep going because we're gluttons for punishment)

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VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim. In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

considering that arko hasn't posted yet

do you suspect anyone else, besides titus?

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i demand attention

granted. do you have any actual thoughts about who might be scum, or town even?

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hell, scratch that. koba, do you have *any* actual thoughts about the game at all beyond your own miller claim?

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I do have a slightly tinfoil scum team of Black and JV right now

could you elaborate?

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specifically why both of them together?

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i demand attention

granted. do you have any actual thoughts about who might be scum, or town even?

yea ur mafia

i just pulled up light ganskis most recent game, looked at their early posts, concluded they were scum, and they indeed were scum. im feeling good about myself tbh

ok im ngl just relooked at LG's iso here and maybe im a little silly lol
VOTE: titus

heh at least you can read

I'm not sure I'm following the titus scumreads (koba/ketchup), either of you talk to me about it

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no

hmmmm

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koba can be townpile for now

millers still live on borrowed time though

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lets see where this goes

VOTE: laplacian

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I do have a slightly tinfoil scum team of Black and JV right now

could you elaborate?

specifically why both of them together?

Just their interactions they have had, seems 'off' to me, and not in a way two buddies would interact in game, at least early on.......but in a way that scum and a traitor would interact in game when they have 'found each other'.

Again, this is a bit tinfoily......but making me squint at both of them.

I do hope I can dance with both of them sometime soon to see if there is actually any juice to squeeze there.

I ISOed jackson and this is actually not a terrible point... I could easily see a world in which Jackson's RVS wolf claim was fishing for the group-scum.

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Black and Jackson's conversation about Jackson's black TR is also pinging me from that ISO in a not good way

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Spoiler: Jackson/Black 200-207

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Cuz you're Black

I always happen to TR you

last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did

Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Mmhmm

But it's because you seem to be on a similar wavelength than I am, I should have actually asked a little more before assuming you town but eh too late

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Early days

It might just be paranoia. But is this how two townies talk about a town read one has on the other?

The "you seem to be on a similar wavelength" line in particular feels a lot like it could be fishing

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/a traitor fishing for scum or vice versa, I mean

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The "you seem to be on a similar wavelength" line in particular feels a lot like it could be fishing

Or, they seemed to be on a similar wavelength. Considering they seemingly caught exactly what I caught, and asked ketchup if they thought I was town because of that discrepency which I then brought up and talked about. Don't kid yourself

response feels genuine...

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town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

yeah I've played w python once

but they were scum in that game and their tone feels completely different here

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I don't get the broccoli wagon. I only see Broccoli as scum with ketchup.

why? and do you think that's a likely pairing?

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If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

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/like I think the likelihood of ketchup v jackson being TvT

is probably at least as high as it being TvS after the page 19 interactions

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ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

give us the tea, don't tease meeeeeeeeee

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Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

pls tell me why

because I have thoughts

I don't wanna read tm into activity and I've only played w ranger once as far as I can remember but what she has posted seems surprisingly fluffy (comparing the game I played w her where she was town)

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reading through the last few pages of jackson v ketchup made me feel like I was putting my brain in a blender, but I'm slightly more confident in not wanting jackson pushed rn

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

having just said that, this response makes me feel very nervy about ketchup

I skipped paged 9 just light hedging their bets here.

Don't pull a muscle reaching like that. I've made my thoughts on ketchup very, very clear and you'd know if you'd read all my posts

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ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

give us the tea, don't tease meeeeeeeeee

the tea was that i reevaluated jackson to more towny

I was hoping for something spicier, but I see nothing wrong with that

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I was hoping for something spicier, but I see nothing wrong with that

I can bathe in hot sauce if you want

oh my

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VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

why would mafia benefit from knowing who's a miller? if i understand correctly, something like 'miller gunsmith' is possible? or is miller a role not a modifier

This is a setup where

Setup

1. Mafia Goon
   
   
2. Mafia Goon
   
   
3. Mafia Goon
   
   
4. Town Cop
   
   
5. Town Miller
   
   
6. Town Miller
   
   
7. Town Miller
   
   
8. Town Miller
   
   
9. Town Miller
   
   
10. Town Miller
    
    
11. Town Miller
    
    
12. Town Miller
    
    
13. Vanilla Townie

is a realistic possibility that scum have to play around. In that example not claiming miller would be a pretty big scumclaim that scum could easily walk into

why are we doing day one setup speculation on the basis of one miller claim

like if theres something I'm missing here pls do tell

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My top two scumreads are the leading wagons. Seems right to me

what makes light ganski scum?

It's mostly gut based on the way she called my townread premature. Her responses to me after that didn't really move the needle that much

I'm curious

If I'm still your top scumread, why did you jump on laplacian after me?

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VOTE: light_ganski

Every post is a regression to the mean. She goes to defend people as soon as anyone posts a scumread, pushing against them as if they don't want any scum to be found. No strong reads or votes. Even L_G voting for me isn't "Lap is scum," it's "lets see where this goes".

I love getting scumread for asking questions to other players about their reads, in a game of social deduction

and just for reference

"lets see where this goes" = I'm voting you because I want to see how you respond to help me sort you

and you've responded with a delayed OMGUS vote on the other top wagon

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

you say "reads list time" but this is barely even a reads list. you've only actually sorted 5 out of 13 players, you're town reading someone because "you can't see scum referencing" (something I regularly do as scum, and I'm a lazy scum player ffs) and your reason for SRing one of them is that... you don't like reads lists... that she's known to make in every game as both alignments. this whole post reeks of "look at me, I'm being productive" whilst barely saying anything of substance.

plus you put more than a third of the players you bother to list in neutral, after scum reading me because i'm apparently hedging

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VOTE: light_ganski

Every post is a regression to the mean. She goes to defend people as soon as anyone posts a scumread, pushing against them as if they don't want any scum to be found. No strong reads or votes. Even L_G voting for me isn't "Lap is scum," it's "lets see where this goes".

This feels like more of a panic vote at being at E-2 and having another wagon opportunity rather than a genuine belief Light is scum

mindmeld

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Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

OMG WHAT IF THIS ISNT A LOVEHEART BUT IS ACTUALLY A LESS THAN 3; LIGHT IS HINTING THAT SHE KNOWS THERE ARE LESS THAN 3 MAFIA WHO KNOW EACH OTHERS IDENTITY

noooooooooo you've uncovered my secret scum plot </3

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reads list time

Spoiler:

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

Why do you feel the need to specify your agreement with ketchup when the read has nothing to do with that.

How much of a gap is between ganski and ranger

he needs add a bunch of extraneous information to make the list look like it actually contains any original thought on most of the players in it, that's why

(it doesn't)

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you say "reads list time" but this is barely even a reads list. you've only actually sorted 5 out of 13 players, you're town reading someone because "you can't see scum referencing" (something I regularly do as scum, and I'm a lazy scum player ffs) and your reason for SRing one of them is that... you don't like reads lists... that she's known to make in every game as both alignments. this whole post reeks of "look at me, I'm being productive" whilst barely saying anything of substance.

plus you put more than a third of the players you bother to list in neutral, after scum reading me because i'm apparently hedging

Congrats, you're a few hours late to the ranger's meta discussion and moving JV up to townlean after talking with him.

and this makes you seem less scummy how, precisely?

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ranger's catchup still feels nothing tonally like her town game in frienemies

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sorry I'm late, works been a bitch

gonna spend the next hour catching up. I have an inconclusive result on enchant btw

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Also why would scum even kill the Miller claim.

agreed, have we worked out any theories on this

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like are we missing a breadcrumb scum wld have picked up on

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why is black voting me if she has an inno on me?

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oh wait she thinks I'm a godfather nvm (I'm not ftr)

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Inno on Enchant here

I have an inno on Ranger fwiw. Figured she's hard to sort.

Well. I have an innocent on PC. Guess no need to hide it anymore. Think we are mostly or all cops

never mind, i guess I should’ve red all the pages first.

I have an in on enchant as well

I was feeling good about my LG inno until I read the thread

We have an inno on Enchant, also really appreciate the quickhammer lining up so that daystart happens right as we start getting busy again very cool

we have nine claimed or flipped investigatives

yh nevemind you're probably right about this being a godfather game, or else some other mechanic fuckery

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Let's play this like mountanious.

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I feel like the game can be nearly entirely broken by looking at the current claims compared to End of Day actions, as well as looking for the pre-heavy-cop play.

I’ll be busy today, yet plan to investigate tomorrow.

are we thinking massclaim? because I think not, if we get another night of results I think this becomes more realistic

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I’m going to be busy most of today, so can’t type out the details of the slip.

So for the next 26 - 30 hours, let me leave with this:

Why do we know there’s more than three Cops?

Why wasn’t it possible to have Copx3 + 7VT?
Or something similar?

What made it impossible to you?

Or more importantly, what made it impossible to

Titus

?

What made it not just suspect shenanigans? What confirmed there were?

ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

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Like tonewise Titus feels similar to the JOAT game, is that NAI for her?

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Anyway, we need to coordinate our cops incase scum have 1+ non-godfathers. but also it’s possible mafia have a roleblock (tho no one claimed roleblock last night yet). I’d like to wait until light claims before I suggest some ideas

I've claimed investigative and I'd prefer not to claim further today

What are your ideas ketchup?

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I have juicy battle plans for after light is here I promise

I'm excited eek

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Scum is probably somewhere on the wagon. I'd say I like PCs vote the best out of all. So he's prob town.

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Laplacian

(7): Hu Tao, light_ganski, Black, Ranger, Political Clout,

DkKoba

, Doctor Drew
light_ganski (3): Titus,

Laplacian

, JacksonVirgo

DkKoba

(1): usesPython
ketchup777 (1): ketchup777

Not Voting (1): Arko

off the laplacian wagon

I'm town
Black cld be scum, the early D1 vote on me was very reachy and I didn't understand why she jumped on the lap wagon right after me if she was town and genuinely scumread me
I already don't think ranger looked like her towngame D1 tonally
I don't think political clout and black are scum together: iirc PC started on my wagon D1 after it had mostly dissapated the first time and it doesn't make sense for scum!black to hop off just so scum!PC could start the wagon again (I was top wagon or tied for top wagon twice, and the wagons were almost entirely different: black, koba, python, drew the first time; drew, PC, titus, laplacian the second)
No idea about Hu Tao rn
I think doctor drew is town, for gut and for the same reasons PC is town

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But that does mod confirm a VT to exist, so that’s fun

Assuming there are godfathers which does seem very very likely

No dude

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lex_Normal

Read under the experimental role section

Ok, so explain why it's mod-confirmed we have a VT?

It isn't, but *if* there is a godfather there must also be a VT based on only one normal rule being violated

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asking again did anyone crumb cop day 1?

no crumbs from me ketchup

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you're voting ketchup, and jackson I think you're town, so can you explain why? cos I don't see ketchup ever being scum for the life of me

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Why am I town

You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,

obviously

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But we're masons #jealous. Don't go break my heart tonight.

Here's a subtle crumb. Ranger's town unless she breaks my heart (by being a scum check).

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hasn't every player except enchant claimed investigative? which means at least two have gotta be scum checks?

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VOTE: ranger

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ok i Imagine it can’t be right but just to explore all alleyways would no limming once or twice hoping to increase the chance we have a useful cop to get results have any merit?

no lim=higher chance of mislim on all future days (unless scum no kill)

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@light_ganski how about rewarding my refusal of falling on bloodlust and sheeping my decision hm?

i'm not saying no right now because titus is up there as a potential partner to them, but why not ranger or black?

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VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

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hi I have a guilty on ranger

VOTE: ranger

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welp I'm fine with getting eliminated provided you all agree to powerlim ranger when I flip town

(full claim is disloyal cop, didn't want to claim it or the full enchant result yesterday because I was still v confused after the laplacian flip. ranger was an innocent so presuming godfather)

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(I also still don't understand my enchant no result considering enchant covering for ranger today, unless enchant is ascetic scum partnered with ranger)

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if Light is disloyal cop and we managed to make our two Disloyal cops the top 2 day 1 wagons that would be really funny but also a priori that’s so unlikely, it’s more likely we hit a scum who cced

I know I'm probably dying today either way

but this is gambler's fallacy. the odds of me being one of the top two wagons are entirely unconnected to the odds of laplacian being one of the top two D1 wagons (unless we were both scum which we aren't)

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{Black} - The wildcard
{Political Clout} - The fake cop
{light} - The confscum

We're not willing to kill anyone above the line until everyone below it is dead, if we're wrong on anyone it'd probably be Black in which case it comes down to figuring out if Schum Tao would know to fake Cop from the Disloyal Cop + Cop flips or not

Fine, as long as when I flip town you eat humble pie and get rid of ranger immediately

At this point me staying alive is detrimental to the goal of us actually winning because until I flip no one will believe ranger isn't conftown

My final solve is {ranger, black} plus probably hu tao (because I still don't think PC and black can be scum together unless they just... weren't working as a team on day one)

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My other bet is that the godfather thing could be a misdirect and the actual setup is something like ascetic scums (because I'm not sure why otherwise there's multiple disloyal town cops)

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yeah that theory doesn’t stand up

I promise if you somehow flip town I will go after Ranger (and I can’t see any reason why anyone else wouldn’t)

yh I was trying to work out what didn't work about the ascetic theory

which means theres got to be either an actual VT staying silent which is unbelievably anti-town, or I'm missing something else entirely

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but I think from this playerlist if there's one person you never eliminate it's ketchup

beyond that if I'm still alive after work tomorrow I'll try and work out the third scum before I die

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beyond that if I'm still alive after work tomorrow I'll try and work out the third scum before I die

and I mean that both in the sense of in-game and in the sense of whether I survive work

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this ended when I wasn't looking, congrats town

shame none of us realised ranger was the VT