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Post #699 (isolation #200) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:50 am
Postby Psyche »
these little cliched posts are not super helpful for sorting
i typed out a towncase for ausuka/drew. if both of you are doubting your read on this slot, can both of you maybe read it over and tell me why it's either convincing or not convincing?
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Post #700 (isolation #201) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:57 am
Postby Psyche »
all im seeing in the last page from each of you is a lot of shifting to avoid committing to the solve that would be most straightforwardly implied if one of you were town
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Post #702 (isolation #202) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:11 am
Postby Psyche »
is particularly jarring from gypyx
she all but played cassandra re hpe/pc through pages 25 and 26
and should have felt totally vindicated by the snow flip and also the T3 flip
but no redoubling or even an "i told ya so"
i present a solve that's isn't just completely compatible with her reads but gives it logical force
and she'd rather talk about anyone else
about how ausuka/drew have "done absolutely nothing to warrant" a tr -- which is both easily false and completely disengaged
In post 697, Psyche wrote:
so you're saying it's easier for you to imagine me as scum than gypyx as scum
It's basically a shitpost solve, goober. This one really fundamentally just wants PC to show the fuck upppppppppppppppp already
ok. would be nice to see some work at actual solving. pc has a lengthy iso. have outlined a lot of thoughts about it. at this point he very probably can be sorted or poed, even if you don't agree with my take on him. don't think pause button is called for. he is unlikely to produce much additional sortable content today anyway, particularly with voting out of the picture.
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Post #706 (isolation #204) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:20 am
Postby Psyche »
In post 699, Psyche wrote:
i typed out a towncase for ausuka/drew. if both of you are doubting your read on this slot, can both of you maybe read it over and tell me why it's either convincing or not convincing?
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Post #707 (isolation #205) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:23 am
Postby Psyche »
ughh
if you're not feeling it this game, then whatever
maybe just put enough work into deciding if you TR me or not and then sheep me when the time comes
you get to blame me for how things go too
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Post #720 (isolation #214) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:25 am
Postby Psyche »
In post 705, Gypyx wrote:
I'm feeling in a quite disconnected mood these days so yeah it's hard, especially regarding this game where i didn't have any big certaineties to start with
like, i'm not saying it's AI but i even forgot T3 died, i hope it's hard following coherent stuff
also this is part of why the behavior in 702 is suspicious
lazy disconnected gypyx doesn't flip the table and start her reads over from scratch after her towncased slot(s) flip how she said they would.
she presses on w a dash of meh
she doesn't commit to more thinking, more worrying about a game she's not invested in
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Post #735 (isolation #219) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:45 pm
Postby Psyche »
In post 731, Gypyx wrote:
if you're not well the game is ending sooner or later
am not really seeing the logic here. if you convinced me that you are town or that two other players were scum, i'd probably move my vote if i were town, right?
In post 731, Gypyx wrote:
the way you've been playing recently seemed like a deliberate attempt to angle the game towards me too
and why is it unlikely that my reason for doing this isn't that i am town and think you're scum?
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Post #746 (isolation #222) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:55 pm
Postby Psyche »
i can't pull water from a stone. would love to find confidence that you really believe your reads. would need to see and examine thought process to do that. you're not sharing it. oh well. but this aligns with my expectations. imo this is a safe vote and there will probably be no speedlim to interrupt our massclaim.
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Post #747 (isolation #223) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:00 pm
Postby Psyche »
if there is no speedlim after PC returns for enough time, then only two possibilities will explain why.
either i am scum and don't have enough buddies to secure the hammer,
or you are scum, and your buddy would like to win today.
equally interesting is the fact that you have a vote on PC. let's see how that goes.
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Post #752 (isolation #226) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:03 pm
Postby Psyche »
i dont believe you.
and also, the town mindset explanation is pretty straightforward.
if i'm town and confident you're scum, this vote does not risk losing the game and also gains information that will help other slots see that you're scum.
am to believe you can't see why i might feel confident that you're scum?
i shouldn't have to walk through why posts like these aren't convincing answers to the reasons i've brought up for scumreading you
(but i have -- in post 720)
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Post #757 (isolation #229) » Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:53 pm
Postby Psyche »
think this reply dodges the q i asked in 752
some other questions that i feel like have been dodged:
1) where is your ausuka/drew read right now? and why? do you still think the slot has done nothing that could warrant a townread? how did you come you think this?
2) how do you interpret ausuka's posting around deus/cakez/pc around deus's wagon if she could be scum?
3) In particular, why does scum-ausuka decline to accept cakez's reasoning and to add momentum to the deus wagon around post 115?
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Post #766 (isolation #232) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:38 am
Postby Psyche »
i think not being attached to any worldview in melo is scummy
In post 762, Gypyx wrote:
I have no attachement to any worldview, i'm just fully living in the present and trying to see something that catches my interest (that something being my conversation with you right now)
yeah, i don't find that a believable trajectory. i think it's considerably more likely that you're scum and just open to all options that exclude you or your buddy.
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Post #767 (isolation #233) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:39 am
Postby Psyche »
i didnt actually mean to post that first line. it's actually null at this point in the abstract to not be attached to any worldview in melo. unfortunately.
i think you're probably scum because of the lack of attachment + how you played D2
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Post #772 (isolation #235) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:54 am
Postby Psyche »
when it was me putting on this "oh im too tired and disconnected" act i never pretended that poor ol psyche getting mislimmed would be anyone's but his own fault
but heyyy
if im scum then you're also at negligible risk of getting speedlimmed
means you get to rest easy huh
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Post #793 (isolation #244) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:13 pm
Postby Psyche »
imo there's playing in a way to achieve a scenario, and then there's doing so in a way that actually looks organic and town-motivated. there's a difference. for example, gypx has votes/attacks for hpe and robert that i don't think definitively disassociate them.
yeah i personally would townlock gypyx if pc flipped scum. this is because i think gypyx sincerely tried to get pc limmed yesterday and also today.
(i probably should have weighed this higher yesterday before deciding whether to push her or snow)
by the way, worth pointing out that i don't find her votes for me today believable in the slightest.
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Post #796 (isolation #246) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:25 pm
Postby Psyche »
yesterday i put snow and gypyx on the table as the two lims i was considering committing to for a lim. immediately after that, pc voted gypyx, encouraging me to take that fork in the road.
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Post #799 (isolation #248) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:31 pm
Postby Psyche »
ive put a lot of weight on ausuka's decision not to pile on deus when the opportunity came. she instead decided to launch substantive attacks and scrutiny on cakez/pc. lost momentum by D2 but her explanations for it are reasonably convincing. i guess that should still be sufficient for a strong townread. still don't think there's an error there.
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Post #804 (isolation #251) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:36 pm
Postby Psyche »
can we really not just skip this? everyone either doesn't want to play or is scum. we don't have to play to deadline going in a circle seeing who can put on the most convincing "im here but dont expect me to do anything" act. this whole game is optional.
you haven't read the game. you've townlocked me. i have read the game. you aren't in the mood to do it any time soon. i want to see if my reads were right. how about we just run with that?
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Post #806 (isolation #252) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:37 pm
Postby Psyche »
at this point it's only the pc claim that matters. if anyone else held sortable information they'd have made it obvious right now. i've even lost the chance to fakeclaim a guilty to make things go my way.
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Post #809 (isolation #254) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:10 am
Postby Psyche »
im ok waiting for pc's slot. but not so much because of the claim but because they might say something sortable when i ask for their reads and reactions to certain things.
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Post #814 (isolation #256) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:06 am
Postby Psyche »
i voted gypyx because she's scum
i think you're wrong about pc/hpe
and i don't really understand the point of quoting those posts; they aren't relevant to my stances
In post 810, Psyche wrote:
it weren't for ausuka i'd suspect you over it
kinda true this one thinks a scum!drew could be coasting by on vibes and the heavy-lifting of ausuka
also want to highlight that HPE is only paying attention to posts like 810 and not my towncase posts on ausuka
today, she's expressed openness to scumreading everyone this game except gypyx, who she made a whole wallpost to announce is null yesterday
this is because she is buds with gypyx and doesn't want to commit to a solve that includes gypyx, which would be directly implied by her TRing you and me. She wants to preserve cover not to vote Gypyx if she's ever pressured to, and does not want to nudge us to act on our consensus view that gypyx is scum.
This is also why you're not seeing HPE do anything to progress her reads from yesterday. She doesn't have the stones? No, she needs the flexibility.
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Post #819 (isolation #260) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:24 am
Postby Psyche »
pc trusts me is why he sheeped me with snow. he was convinced of my poe to hpe/snow/gypyx the same i was. in general (across games), he often sheeps people he trusts instead of playing the game. also, when he did try to opt for gypyx to be limmed in 550-ish (i think), i declined it.
he has plenty of other posts that convince that his willingness to lim gypyx. and gypyx in fact has many
more
posts that convince that she wanted pc dead.
in fact, in the wallpost i whined about you not reading, i said that the best evidence against gypyx/pc was in gypyx's iso, not pc's.