TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

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ego VOTE: BlueSnakelet will read later and post as asked

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And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

why is he obvscum?

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rereading atm

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i'm curious what ccs's role is

i wonder which one of my genius ideas he rolled

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How do you pressure somebody who isnt here?

thats true

miltank, gen 3 miltank, and blue miltank

BATTLE MAGE!?

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uh i see there's a wagon on me

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i think that's a content thing? like i haven't been posting

let's fix that shall we

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okay first 8 pages, de70 feels chaotically weird. if this weren't role madness, you'd neap check him and he'd turn up "not a VT" if that makes sense. like he either got a really good town role or rolled scum imo

i heard flavor leaf was doing dayvig stuff and then he got quitted out of the game, so i'm not sure what's going on or if we have Too Many Dayvigs

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VOTE: nono

koba pocket

very busy atm

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whats vip again

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oh right

reverse hider

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uh

reverse bodyguard nvm

ya no that's a weird pick

VOTE: Itinerants

not seeing a reason to stay on nono tbh

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does anybody else think that this game is ground to a halt

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yeah it's a neat role in concept but also seems a tad bit unusual

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for a mod discretion pick

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this is probably a bad q to ask at this stage in the game but

how

exactly

were roles created

pick four, one is given to you? or pick four, one makes your alignment one makes your role

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gotcha

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VOTE: Nono

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i'd like to see more from this slot

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it seems like everyone is sick or ill or too busy to play mafia right now

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id be down to flashwagon zzzx, or enchant if thats fine

Apologise.

mmmm nah

Guess who will be nightkilled

Guess who is going to be reflexively PGO killed

Guess who die anyway because PGO is not bulletproof

Guess who is didnt realize I am bulletproof (and a strongman PGO)

Spoiler: these are getting too big

hang on lemme check something

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yeah figured that out a few seconds too late

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UNVOTE: Nono

are we certain we want nono

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i will be happy to revote i just want to give some time on this one

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that fair?

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there's also just not that many cook town roles which i think would get accepted?

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but there's more than zero. so

whatever

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yknow i'm kind of suspicious of the koba pivot off of nono

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uh oh is that e-2

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technically its e-1 cuz of not_mafia

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if you're worried, unvote

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ok yeah cook im going to put you at e-1

claim

DAYVIG: camelCasedSnivy

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i'm flattered you got one of my roles though

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at least i presume so

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oh my god

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in all seriousness thats a pretty weird dayvig, why not vote someone who had naked voted you?

...good point

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see ya ccs

sorry you were on the wrong end of this

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World's Best Role

- You are a Rolestopped Unjester.
- However, if you name a non-Normal role that is in the game by PM'ing the mod, your Rolestopped modifier is removed.

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VOTE: snivy

there's no world where you survived my dayvig and are also town as a role of mine

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if you're not the lim at least sacrifice to GDoC

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if you're not the lim at least sacrifice to GDoC

dude have you read anything

i have i'm just saying it again

is gdoc bad

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ok

VOTE: enchant

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who are we still waiting on replacements for

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or you could have not claimed it at all too

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couldn't exactly have predicted you would get dayvigged d1

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oh my god

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idk patch is voting themselves and ccs and pisskop kinda just piled on afterwards

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it's not really a wagon, more two people voting in the same place

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yes but the replacements and the prods

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and did the other one roll mason or was it given to them

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yimmy wtf are you doing

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cop someone

let's have some fun

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lemme reread yimmy rq

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yimmy can be town

somewhat wondering if they rolled a terrible role? they offhandedly suggested they'd sac to the cop god

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Not everyone can. I cannot for instance, and I imagine scum cannot.

can't sac or can't be town

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why try to stop cop god sacs?

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not gonna lie, e minus one claims are far less likely to be taken seriously

i mean

if you can demonstrate your role's real and exists, then yeah you're taken seriously

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are we sure we want an eternal night phase

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lame.

So cook, how did that fun little dayvig work?

i posted a dayvig and it hit someone who couldn't be killed

there something fishy about that?

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it didnt consume an offering or anything did it?

not to my knowledge unless cop god interferes with dayvig

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i don't like the idea of going into night with three replacements

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me being scum and itinerants being town?

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nono i get that

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intent to hammer in 24 hours[/v]

watch out patchwork might dayvig you the second you say that

does patch even have a dayvig lmao

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intent to hammer in 24 hours[/v]

watch out patchwork might dayvig you the second you say that

does patch even have a dayvig lmao

did you miss the joke

whats the joke

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oh right

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lmao we're gonna have nobody playing the game at this rate

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No

its your time now

VOTE: patchwork

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no i am not a doublevoter

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glad he got what he was wanting

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damn it i just lost the game

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damn it i just lost the game

That's a weird choice of words.

infohazard do not open if you do not know what i am talking about

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I consume 1 offering per use.

Flavor generated 1 offering by sacrificing himself.

When I copped late day I was told it was invalid due to lack of offerings.

cant people only sacrifice at night though

this doesn’t make any sense

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enh. When I sober up Ill figure out why I thought flavor gave me an offering, and if Im mad at cook for no reason or not.

Don’t examine your anger. Succumb to it. Together we can rule the galaxy as dogbeast and snake.

if this is another fucking amway recruitment message i'm going to shoot someone

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i also have not been reading so i feel ya there

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pagetop

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why are we wagoning eiralox again

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...i'm not?

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VCA with provisional clears tells me itinerants and koba are suspect

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i find it highly unlikely that nono's wagon was pure or even <2 scum, which also puts enchant on the radar

and patchwork's wagon at EoD has a lot going on with it

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tbh i thought i was putting patchwork at e-1

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wooo congrats now explain why your entrance into day 2 sucked

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You're just trying to discredit me bc i am pushing you and you learned your lesson in viewtopic.php?t=91344 that placating me doesn't work lol.

idk you believed me for a day lol

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anywho you're a lot more aggressive than in that game and you were town there

VOTE: DkKoba

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You're just trying to discredit me bc i am pushing you and you learned your lesson in viewtopic.php?t=91344 that placating me doesn't work lol.

idk you believed me for a day lol

half a day

that day was 3 times as long as a regular day (or 2? idk how larges are usually sized) i think it's more than fair to say you believed me for a day's worth of posts

anyway time to read you

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What’s cookin’?

not me, clearly

highlights of day 1:

flavor leaf quit the game and took guillotina with him
the guardian deity of cops is gonna be this game's amway i think
patchwork died so that no kills could happen
i failed to shoot camelCasedSnivy, snivy claimed a role of mine and then sacrificed himself
no kills happened

i started fighting with dkkoba, megazumarill is gambiting with a PT cop power (presumably) and three people rep'd out

i think that's everything?

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welcome kkfc!

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@Mod V/LA for 24 hours, I'm really sick

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iamvh claimed:

groupscum: mafia 3-shot disloyal doctor
the flying pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of its ass
and a role called 16 y/o which gains powers as the game continues, notably it doesn't have a vote at the start of the game, which means iamvh can't have rolled it

here it is tho if you're looking for it

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obviously we can't confirm if eiralox/iamvh had a TFPTSLBOOIA or not, because of the martyr roll. if there had been more than, say, 2 kills last night, then i'd be inclined to believe eiralox was town, because not a one TFPTSLBOOIA is scum-aligned in the deck.

point is, though, that there's like a 50/50 shot of eiralox being scum

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it'd be helpful to know what was a mod discretion pick and what was a town pick. also we don't have a free space from eiralox. so

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All 25 posts in Bingle's Iso

Spoiler:

Hey everyone. I’ve read nothing but this page and I have one very important question. How do we make ccs lose the game?

Greeting

Haven't read all.

Day cop suggestions:

Not_Mafia:

On absolve, confirmed vannilla town and possible wise voter. On condemn, just funny.

Eira:

Absolve a vannilla town.

Itenerants:

I feel good about absolving or condemning here.

I'm operating on Not_Mafia trueclaim from the little I've read. Confirming either me or Not_Mafia means that killers have to kill a powerless role eventually instead of us confirming a strong role and damning them.

I'm also operating on the basis that pisskop has the check, that's obvious I guess.

Nothing else for now. Have fun... unless fun isn't your thing.

This logic is less valid in a bastard multiball game, for two reasons. Oops all inno doesn’t work in the presence of a cult, or any godfather like ability, which are both possible.

Multiple kills per night reduces the impact of innocents over all.

Cops should definitely be hunting for guilties.

Eiralox interaction. Mentions vannilla shouldn't be checked but give no input whether Itenerants is a good target.

This doesn't say much. Yay or nay on Itinerants?

You vastly overestimate my "knowing who the fuck that is" stat. It was my dumpstat. I put everything into "Spite".

Dodges. Bingle continues this pattern of not having read or making it appear so. mistakes like not knowing about n_ms and veryhappys prior claims,oracting like it to achieve a predistened goalbasedupon eira'sinitial fos of itenerants.

enh. When I sober up Ill figure out why I thought flavor gave me an offering, and if Im mad at cook for no reason or not.

Don’t examine your anger. Succumb to it. Together we can rule the galaxy as dogbeast and snake.

Nothing to say here

if this is another fucking amway recruitment message i'm going to shoot someone

Don't worry, if I'm going to recruit someone to amway I'll at least actually claim every part of my role when I do so.

I'm bored now.

VOTE: Cook for offering to shoot people for me. She's clearly buddying.

Nothing to say here. Cook is probably town here so if bingle mafia maybe they thought pisskop would vote cook idk.

Amway really suck i am surprised people ever accepted knowing they will lose all powers.

There were a lot of shitty roles and there were actually a few ways to make it breaking, but yeah… a lot of d1 was me winding aureal up about it to make noise.

Can someone clue me in on what the pisskop situation is? It kinda sounds to me like pisskop is talking out his ass and I’d like to clarify that a bit.

Nothing to say here. Maybe doesnt want pisskop to beconfirmed at this point.

What's going on in this game

Pisskop accused cook of stealing a snackrifice and then was told that didn’t make any sense and the mod confirmed you’re a serial killer.

Nothing to say here.

I replaced in overnight and am unrepentantly not putting effort into reading what’s already happened.

Which kinda makes eir wanting to sheep a page 70 rvs vote even more scummy.

VOTE: eiralox

Eira says doesn't want to vote cook with bingle because cook iso looks good. bingle decideds eira almost voting cook means something.instinct i had is itenerants needs to be protected and bingle is the expendable runner.

I’m wagoning eiralox for the scummy ass posting on the last four pages. Why are you wagoning eiralox?

No true input.I have discussed many slots at this point, bingledoesnt want to approach that content at this time cos afraid he'll clear town by spew

...i'm not?

That doesn’t answer my question, it merely dodges it. You see, the correct thing to do here is to vote eiralox and then give a reason for doing so. I’ll let you try again.

Nothing post. beligerence as seen with recent pushes.

Mech breakdown since people don't seem to want to read Day 1.

One shot Dayvig as a role doesn't exist according to 3p.
Pisskop is a day alignment cop we can sacrifice ourselves at night to give more checks to. Currently has 1 check.
Cook had the power to dayvig day 1, doing so when their wagon picked up momentum, otherwise unknown for role.
Pisskop is an ISK according to patchwork, and therefore is mech!town if we trust patchwork's flip.
Other deaths have been to a day 1 dayvig/selfkill courtesy of flavor leaf.
NM and Eira are VT claims.
Some people but not all have claimed between mod discretion and town.

I think that's about it?

The role One Shot Dayvig specifically, or any role that can dayvig exactly one time?
Can pisskop daycop multiple times per day?
Cook was wagoner d1 and saved by a dayvig, why? What about the dayvig made her town?
What the fuck is an ISK?
Mechanically, how were roles decided this game. I thought it was supposed to be a upick?

Nothing to say here.either unaware of the patchwork flip or acts that way.

Bingle how can anyone take your push on me seriously at this point if you don't even know about the inner sanctum keepers. Or perhaps act that way. On one side though things like these make me wonder if I can still consider you as part of a pt, as I have suspected. Because if this ignorance is sincere then I have to re-examine that possibility. For now it's still in my table though.

I mean… how can anyone not be voting you after you are this obvscum from only the last 6 pages? I don’t need to read the rest of the game to smell the shit you’re trying to pass off as potpourri.

still nothing. compares my input to excrement

NM, Eiralox: what roles did you submit that got vetoed?

asks infoalready provided excpept for one role: iamveryhappy'stown pick.means bingle probably suspects i might be an investigative with a possible guilty.

Bingle, Itinerats and Psyche (by my count) need to confirm if they are in a pt or not.

I told you I wasn’t in a pt in our pt. Go check it once in a while.

No answer given, really. Maybe in the pt with enchant and itenerants.

NM, Eiralox: what roles did you submit that got vetoed?

Does it matter? Overall I have little reason to interact with you beyond what I've already said. I haven't felt you approach my slot in good faith or with any depth, you've basically done nothing today, blah blah blah i'm sort of tired so if don't end it here i'll rant on and on. And N_M already shared all his picks.

Yeah, so… really easy to claim a role you don’t actually have, and no associated risk. Really hard to claim a role that is believably gamebreaking but not gamebreaking enough that you wouldn’t send it in the first place, especially when someone else might actually HAVE that role.

Still nothing of note said.

"why are we wagoning eiralox"

im on that wagon

im supposedly suspicious

barely anything breated towards me


that is fear. that is someone who knows their push is wrong tbh.


lest we not forget the scummy way cook used their dayvig on d1, distinctly different from FL's hero shot in that FL was grilling that slot actively.

Counter point: likely multiball. Scum probably actually believe their arguments here.

This is what made me think koba is town and bingle needs them on his side. wangts me and cook to be superobv scum buddies in koba and others' minds.

Dk, do you think any of eirs treatment of me is good faith? Because the discrediting of my reads based on my not reading prior to my replacement seems like pretty much the opposite of that, and I want whatever you’re smoking to reach that conclusion.

if someone with a limited graspor a seemingly limited graspof the game pushes me without explanation this is a probable response from me.

Dk, do you think any of eirs treatment of me is good faith? Because the discrediting of my reads based on my not reading prior to my replacement seems like pretty much the opposite of that, and I want whatever you’re smoking to reach that conclusion.

i think eira is approaching the game in good faith in their own POV overall yes.

:/

Did you roll scum? Sad days, dk, sad days.

I think i'll try not to see the world where koba and bingleare together.i mean i'm giving koba the benefit of the doubt today.

I disagree that there’s nuance. Performance, but not nuance.

Again nothing much ofnote.at this point i was in the know that binglewas gonna try and gun for the one opening he had,that is, the one thing veryhappy didnt claim.

I swear I meant to do things tonight, but a 10 hour shift turned into a 13 hour shift unexpectedly because no one told me we had contractors on site tonight.

Instead I’ll just ask dk why they’re unconcerned with eir explicitly hiding information that there is no town motivation to hide.

Again nohting much.Redux so far: 'Eira Bad'

dk, why are you unconcerned with eir explicitly hiding information that there is no town motivation to hide?

Nothing much. nomassclaim yet so doesn't really really matter does it,unlessi made yall afraid i got that guilty

dk, why are you unconcerned with eir explicitly hiding information that there is no town motivation to hide?

what information + eira strikes me as the type to not share stuff willingly like that so its not really a good reason to scumread them over their dayplay

The actual submission that turned into a vt. It literally can’t hurt to share a submission that was vetoed, as explained earlier. It is also an easy lie to make. I don’t think eiralox has an answer to the question, which means…

Doesn't matter.

Can't say your viewpoint encourages me. Bingle has no solid reasoning. Not_Mafia is Not_Mafia, radiant and pure. Itenerants has been on every wagon basically day one and simply doesn't act town from what I've felt.

The correct play is voting in Bingle, Enchant, Itenerants. My plan at least.

Makes me a bit sad that your take is 'maybe just go for cook or eira, there's people voting there.'

But I'm not pushing you today so you do you.

This is pretty much a perfect example of what eir is doing that’s sketch as fuck, in case anyone is genuinely confused.

This is ATE “it makes me sad that you’re willing to vote me” while simultaneously discrediting his wagon. they offer enchant up for an alternative despite having had even less evidence to share about enchant than I have about them. The pushes are shallow AF (Bingle isn’t reading!).

Everything about eirs play is “Please don’t lim me.”

And for the record, my initial reason for voting them was the attempt to target the day op rather poorly. Similarly to how I spent a lot of resources in veiled committee trying to target the various investigations.

Redux: *Eira scummy for FOSING itenerants and enchant
*Eira scummy for wanting to stay alive
*eiras scummy for disrecditing the wagin in them

Hello, can someone explain uPick to me? I replaced in but in retrospect maybe I should have figured out the theme and stuff beforehand.

People picked roles. They got one of those roles, unless they sucked so hard at picking that TL said fuck off. Eiralox claims to have sucked at picking and also won’t share the role they didn’t get, presumably because they are ignoring all of my posts.

Rude.

Again, an Eiralox based post

waste of my time. should be clear to anyone this is scum or third party

hmm. that's interesting

poke me when i'm not VLA i'll have a look at this

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also while you're at it eiralox do you know what your predecessor's picks were and if so, could you post them kthx

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free pagetop

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Can someone give me a tldr

flavor leaf killed guillotina d1 by voluntarily quitting the game
there's a guardian deity of cops (pisskop) who you can sacrifice yourself to so they can have daycop powers
i dayvigged camelcasedsnivy and he didn't die, he then sacrificed himself the next night
we eliminated a martyr so that the mafia couldn't kill, and now we're on day 2

eiralox is a wagon that exists, but because bingle is on it, it's more like a wagon that has not_mafia and itinerants just happenstance voting it. eiralox i think is being voted due to coasty content on the slot or something? but it's a bingle push. also they were being really cagey about claiming discards, and koba was going on that

the consolidation target will be enchant given nothing else

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Can everyone give me like 2 or 3 of their top suspects?

{Enchant, Bingle, Itinerants}

my hot take is koba but i don't really have words to quantify it anymore

Eiralox... depends on the bingle flip ig

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So flavor killed himself so a random person got a day cop shot?

as it turns out, you can only sacrifice at night

so no

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tagepop

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I’m not claiming my partner lul

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VOTE: whemestar

wtf. this is now in my limpool

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Welcome aboard new people!

I apologize for my absence most of yesterday, been dealing with a lot in my personal life, but I think I've mostly stabilized, and am ready to get back into the game.

I haven't read everything yet, and I am about to start work, but I will hopefully have that done and a reads list ready by tomorrow.

-Rat

welcome back rat!

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lol

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I feel like we are in PMELO so while I don't particularly want to out my role I think it may be best to get as much mechanical knowledge as possible

pmelo?

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“practically mis-eliminate or lose?”

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Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

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Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

Why do you ask?

because i received an invention night 1 that was genuinely gamebreaking

and furthermore deliberately stated to be from the mafia

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Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

it was because it would post the unredacted role pm's of every player who wasn't mafia if i used it, right?

because it would blow the setup wide open and break the game if i pulled that trolley lever, right?

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and it'd kill me to use if i accepted and would be a free daykill for scum if i didn't, right?

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you've been suspicious all game, bingle. you have been far from contributive to this game, and seeing the enchant flip, this really doesn't get any better for you

VOTE: Bingle

get this mafia scum out of my grandest idea upick right now

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i didn't tell anyone about the invention at first because i thought it wasn't legitimate. "in a game with vetoed roles, there's no way that an inventor with 'reveal the setup' inventions would pass TLich. this is a trap to get me killed."

seems like it wasn't. the fact that i even had an option to refuse the invention was suspicious

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then i realized "wait. this explicitly doesn't reveal the PM's of the team that made it, and it can't be randomly passed to mafia if i refuse it."

"this

has

to be legitimate. they'd only give this to me if they thought i'd use it."

i thought about it. i really did. i thought about posting to thread that i could end the game tomorrow but it wouldn't be any fun at all for anyone involved.

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Id have to read to see if bingle was hinting at you to use whatever

i'm thinking bingle (et al...?) thought i was a mafia traitor and was going to give it to me for that

but, yknow, i can't confirm that

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So… you’re saying that the gamebreaking thing someone was actually allowed to do is the gamebreaking thing I was specifically prevented from doing by the mod?

i don't know what you were specifically prevented from doing! i'm not on your team, bingle!

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You’re legitimately accusing me of having given you the ability to reveal everyone’s roles publicly as mafia so that I could… immediately lose?

yes, and i'm about to call your bluff right now

PULL THE TROLLEY LEVER

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Okay, I guess? I’m kind of confused as to how literally gamethrowing is a bluff, but… I’ll take the win if you’re telling the truth?

what kind of a low down "ruin the game so it ends in a favorable result" scoundrel do you take me for of course i didn't accept your invention

why is this guy still alive btw

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surprise! your boss is mafia. none of this is real. you have to come into work at amway tomorrow.

wake up

wake up

wake up

wake u-

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but seriously, i've told you what i know. i have caught scum and i'm willing to bet the farm on being right

we can search for partners, we can massclaim, we can do whatever. this is gonna be our way forward on PMELO though.

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Okay, I guess? I’m kind of confused as to how literally gamethrowing is a bluff, but… I’ll take the win if you’re telling the truth?

what kind of a low down "ruin the game so it ends in a favorable result" scoundrel do you take me for of course i didn't accept your invention

why is this guy still alive btw

So the premise here is that I gave you an invention that would be actionably gamethrowing and you refused it. And then I claimed that tlich wouldn’t let me give you the invention that was actionably gamethrowing, despite tlich actually allowing said invention to exist. And then also you didn’t accept the actionably gamethrowing invention, which in itself would be pretty much gamethrowing.


I’m trying really hard not to be insulted at how shit at game design you think I am, tbh.

so you made the invention...?

i think you're talking in circles

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fwiw no role exists in the GIM thread proper that does this exact thing with the exact framing of it being a trolley problem

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I'm confused rn

night 1, i received an invention from the mafia. it was a trolley problem lever.

i could pull it and out the full, unredacted role PMs of every non-mafia player in the game. this would kill me in the process, but would guarantee that town won the game.
i could not pull it and kill a random non-mafia player, and pass the lever to someone who isn't mafia. (free nightkill and kick the can down the line)

i had the option of accepting this or not. earliest i would be able to pull it was today had i taken it

this seems ludicrously unfair for this game, so i decided not to take it

but when bingle then claimed he had a gamebreaking role?

can you put the dots together

[Cook]

the confusing bit is that this invention or a corresponding inventor for it doesn't show up in the gim thread

[Cook]

so i really don't know how it could have shown up...?

[Cook]

there's a lot of confusing stuff here now that i'm thinking about it

[Cook]

And just to be sure, you actually got a power, and not just a message from a note writer?

i'm pretty certain, since i got a receipt back confirming i was rejecting the lever

[Cook]

cheeky pagetop

[Cook]

this seems ludicrously unfair for this game, so i decided not to take it

this feels silly btw
regardless, you are specifically saying mafia here. Are you suggesting that's the only groupscum in the setup?

i'm saying that the invention was specifically given by the mafia (i know this as a confirmed fact in the invention pm)

i think it's unlikely there's only one groupscum in-setup, but anything's possible

[Cook]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

it was because it would post the unredacted role pm's of every player who wasn't mafia if i used it, right?

because it would blow the setup wide open and break the game if i pulled that trolley lever, right?

It revealed all the town pms?

no, but had i taken it? would have revealed everyone who wasn't mafia, publicly

therefore process of elimination tells you who mafia is

that's my understanding of things

[Cook]

I suspect the invention isn't as strong as Cook said and doesn't reveal town players (Possibly by mistake)

I think this because I also got a confusingly worded invention that specifically reveals whether cook got an ability to reveal all nontown, nonmafia members, among a few other things I'll get into a little later

hold on

i need to reread the trolley lever

[Cook]

FUCK i should have taken that

[Cook]

had i pulled the lever, it would have outed the full, unredacted role pm's (that means names, teammates, PT links, etc) of every member of a faction other than my own and the mafia and killed me.

fuck i'm stupid

[Cook]

that would have:

a) pared the game down to two factions (town and mafia)
b) made every other team lose instantly
c) still preserved the anonymity of more powerful roles

[Cook]

it even says directly in the thread:

Mafia Inventor

Each night, you may invent a role and give it to one other player, who will gain that role. You can invent almost any role for this purpose. However, there are some restrictions:

• You cannot give the role to a member of your faction.
  
• The player who receives the role will be informed of exactly what it does (you can't have "mod notes" or the like, all effects of the role will be explained in full). For example, if the effect is randomized among a list of possibilities, the player will know what all the possibilities are and what their probabilities are. The moderator will also inform the recipient of how the role would interact with any other hypothetical role on request, and the recipient will be aware of this.
  
• The player who receives the role may choose to reject it or accept it. If they reject it, it has no effect, and nothing that the role does can modify this.
  
• You cannot choose a role that would make it possible for the recipient to win with you via any means, and if the recipient is currently capable of winning with you, your action will fail and the role will never arrive.

Self-balancing. You can't give someone an overpowered role because they'll use it to beat your faction, and you can't give them an underpowered/negative-utility role because they'll just reject it.

The trick is to find a role that looks overpowered but actually hurts the recipient's faction.

[Cook]

okay. kill bingle. either was a free space, scum pick, or mod discretion. that's a 2/3 chance of a red flip

[Cook]

there is potentially a world where bingle isn't mafia inventor and it's actually someone else, but i think i need to wait a day or two before passing that judgement

[Cook]

yeah this isn't really grand idea upick nor grandest idea upick

it's tlich arbitrarypick

[Cook]

then 1f1 with me and the inventor if they claim

[Cook]

*this is assuming i'm wrong on bingle. i do not think i am wrong on bingle.

[Cook]

same here i'm off

[Cook]

Does someone who is not a major suspect vouch for this?

I'm not a fan of massclaims before elo unless we can crack the game from them.

I mean I do

I'm pretty sure the reason my invention had its abilities is that mafia is pushing for a majority amount tonight with potential 3p allies.

your invention was more or less trying to confirm that i got my invention, right?

[Cook]

welcome elements!

[Cook]

bingle should probably claim...?

[Cook]

I’ve given the exact criteria for my claim: Eiralox claims the role they submitted but got vetoed in order for them to be VT.

or you could just claim and we'd be done with this

[Cook]

VOTE: Eiralox
Yeah I don’t really trust him atp

scum pivoting off of a partner i GUARANTEE it

[Cook]

VC 3.5

Bingle

(5)

- Cook, pisskop, Itinerants, Titus, Elements

[E-1]

Eiralox (1) - Bingle
Itinerants (1) - Eiralox

Not voting: MegAzumarill, Gamma Emerald, ZZZX

With 10 alive it takes 6 to exile.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2023-10-23 17:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

sure, go with that theory

oh fuck i’m sorry i’m worn out

[Cook]

i thought you were on bingle

[Cook]

i still want bingle gone today. eiralox confuses me. i have gut reads on a few other folks and can ill enforce them.

[Cook]

it feels like everyone is just waiting to execute bingle

in a good way? or that everyone wants bingle dead and you think that's suspicious

[Cook]

eiralox confuses me.

how so?

i dunno, you're not claiming but the biggest proponent of you claiming right now is also my top scumread?

[Cook]

conflicted feelings

[Cook]

and an unexpected pagetop ooh

[Cook]

Good luck herding people onto itenerants. That leaves Eiralox and Bingle. I might be okay with more pressure on ZZZX but otherwise i'm happy with the game being slow because it's the most effective way to force scum into an even tighter corner.

Aren't you Eiralox...?

[Cook]

/half-joke

[Cook]

you will remain imprisoned in the tower of london for your crimes against pisskop, bingulous

[Cook]

can you help me mechanically defeat the game by claiming then

[Cook]

can you help me mechanically defeat the game by claiming then

I can mechanically defeat the game without claiming, actually: there’s an obvious work around to the restriction on the mafia inventor Meg linked.

which is?

[Cook]

wait don't tell me

[Cook]

Is this a “Don’t tell me, I want to figure it out myself” or a “Don’t tell me, I want to play without tearing the game a new one”?

first one

you can share, it's fine, just gonna try to figure it out for myself first

heck put it in a spoiler and still share

not opposed

[Cook]

unsure on eiralox tbh the sheer activity feels towny and the wagon itself is scummy

[Cook]

i'll go for it if we need votes for consolidation

[Cook]

evidenced by the pfp

[Cook]

gonna poke at eiralox tomorrow and see if i like that wagon better than i am right now

[Cook]

for now, i need to sleep it's too late for thinking

[Cook]

last thought: is gamma a sheep or a good player right now

itinerants can be scum i think that's what i said before too that hasn't changed

[Cook]

VOTE: Eiralox

do you stop talking lmao

[Cook]

As promised:

My mod discretion role was Mafia Necromancer 10660. I was changed to town. The things TLich wouldn't let me do:

Force Enchant to make the mafia kill on Eiralox and force Enchant to sacrifice for the deity. I've holstered so far because I didn't know enough to target the brainshocker confidently. I intend to either doc or brainshock tonight, but will not specify which because leaving it up to WIFOM is the way to make a potential save on pisskop possible for doc.

I'm potentially a confirmable role through killing scum and through someone else with a confirmable role dying.

I agree that 1 shot pgo is probably a fakeclaim.

bullshit

DAYVIG: Bingle

and while we're at it, i did my reading. HERO SOOOOOOOOOLVE

DAYVIG: Itinerants

eiralox is next

i claim as such:

Town: Town 3-Shot Multishot Dayvig
Scum: Alien Omniversal Backup
Discretion: Town Ski Lesson Provider
Free: Town Superstar Inner Sanctum Keeper

none of my picks were rejected, i was not told to not act in a certain way with them. i was given a gun and a voice in my head telling me to shoot scum

[Cook]

VOTE: Eiralox

[Cook]

CALLED IT.

[Cook]

VOTE: Eiralox

[Cook]

restoring my vote from before, i think they're scum

[Cook]

*takes a bow*

[Cook]

what's it do again?

[Cook]

aight we should stop being LAAAAZy.


We have 47 hours as of this post.

Ill do it tomorrow regardless, but I prefer a neutral 'as you please' style

"lets stop being lazy"
immediately puts it off until tomorrow

lol

no shade though

[Cook]

nah you're lockdown pisskop

[Cook]

*locktown

[Cook]

why is gamma a towncase

[Cook]

or like null

i guess she's just not very active?

[Cook]

what's your role again i'm sorry

[Cook]

i agree on the ww. i was a little blindsided by itinerants flip

[Cook]

hmm... okay

[Cook]

that all seems cromulent to me for now

[Cook]

oh my goodness old town of salem

amazing. i've been playing a little tos2, fun stuff, and wow it's changed since even before the game was revealed to the public

i think GIM attracts players from chat mafia for some reason

couldn't put my finger on why exactly

[Cook]

i think the funny usernames and people reacting to 'em amused me on a base level. lot's of toxicity ofc but eh

rubbing my 2 brain cells together there's no way you can be mafia even-day kidnapper because ZZZX shows up in VC

yeah, agreed

i'm lost on whether or not scum is solo or has a buddy here

...i

think

it's just one maf to one wolf?

[Cook]

i have to wonder why invisibility (titus slot) picked unorthocop

[Cook]

I think mafia are all gone, only remaining scum are like, a wolf and maybe something else but we could just have 2 wolves

3p/sk is also a possibility but i don't see it tbh

i could like

maybe

see an alien saving a shot until now?

[Cook]

but that doesn't make sense, since why would they spend their one kill to get to a 1:4

even with mislim they have to live more nights

[Cook]

maybe see who PK was closing in on?

[Cook]

or megA

[Cook]

VC 4.2

ZZZX (1) - Elements [E-2]

Not voting: Cook, Gamma Emerald, Eiralox, ZZZX

With 5 alive it takes 3 to exile.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-11-04 00:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

The moderator will be V/LA from October 29th to November 1st.

The moderator will be V/LA from October 29th to November 1st.

enjoy your halloween party, lich

[Cook]

VOTE: zzzx
Nothing is happening so I’ll just vote

how come zzzx?

[Cook]

i admittedly don't exactly townread ZZZX but putting them on e-1 is certainly a Choice

[Cook]

because it's what's there
I could also do elements ftr, but that's it

how come not eiralox?

[Cook]

oh right you said earlier :p

[Cook]

oh right you said earlier :p

zzzx pretty much a wolf flip
u think there could be aliens?

i don't know but i don't think so

[Cook]

because it's what's there
I could also do elements ftr, but that's it

do you sr elements then?

[Cook]

i think i understand yeah

do you still have shots of your ability?

[Cook]

Cook what are you thoughts on each of Me, Eira and Gamma?

i've gone back and forth on gamma but i think i townread her now

eira... i was SRing eira but i'm now realizing that was because bingle was saying so. and bingle flipped red. so that wouldn't make sense

you have not brought much content to the table, elements

ZZZX is my preferred lim target just based on who is comparatively the scummiest. but they're

also

very coasty like you so

[Cook]

yeah idk i'm with gamma on this one

[Cook]

i think i understand yeah

do you still have shots of your ability?

if so, we could kill zzzx and then have you target elements

knowing that, elements can't kill you, since they'd die too

[Cook]

...wait that might not be the best idea

[Cook]

i'm not sure

[Cook]

i think i understand yeah

do you still have shots of your ability?

if so, we could kill zzzx and then have you target elements

knowing that, elements can't kill you, since they'd die too

That wouldn't work because I'd be killing you anyway?

i'm flattered tbh