Kemusan - Game Over

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my rag-time boy
Send me a kiss my sire, setting my heart on fire
If you refuse me you’re gonna lose me then you’ll be left alone oh baby
Dance with me and tell me I’m your own

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Nope!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I dunno, I just try to pair with town because I like living and I don’t like the responsibility of having to decide whether to leave my partner so I’d rather feel comfy and relatively good about a town pairing.

I want to pair with someone I can read, but I don't necessarily trust others to read correctly. And stay at least one double cappuccino away from paranoid spiraling.

So you definitely want me :^)

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Cabd, though, should already be able to read me off my posts so far.

And, he better get it right.

Fery is third party, confirmed. You heard it here from me first, fellas.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Firebringer SK

I see you’re on to something as well. But you got it wrong. It’s fery, not FB.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

And... groan.... that means my chances for taking the leg up in our perpetual (not mylo fuck that setup) grind are up in smoke.

But I like that setup!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually, do I really?

…mmm, probably not. It’s probably like playing a bad video game as a kid and thinking that game was good because nostalgia.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I want to compare her tone before deciding if I should propose a pair with her or not.

SHE IS FUCKING HIGH

Brother let him cook

[HolySpiritTurtle]

NGL part of me wants to pair with you last just to make the thread really long in order to effort-sort some of the effort-sortable posters, but I don't wanna lose the ones who would die of the trek, like Spiffeh.

You’d lose me just as quick too.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I am clearly scum this game. Take that back.

Also, okay Bell Submit your paper you have it all written out just open the page and put it in.

Dang that’s unfortunate I was going to offer to dance with you.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My personal win condition is very similar but leave Ydra behind. I’m going to be honest, it’s not looking too well.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

tbh i have no idea how to read either ffery and bell.

You start by never publicly stating a read on either of them, and they’ll get nervous eventually.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My personal win condition is very similar but leave Ydra behind. I’m going to be honest, it’s not looking too well.

Doomed from the start, there are less ladies than gents so all the ladies get paired this day phase.

As I said, it ain’t looking too well.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My first dance game ever was a gay dance.
That game went so horribly that I have a hydra named after the experience.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Hi fam, great news!

I rolled town this game so I don’t have to live these next few weeks in a constant state of debilitating anxiety! Don’t we love that for me?

Idk man this awfully sounds like a self-hypnosis to me!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Anyway, I’ve decided. As much as I want to dance with fery, I should really let the person who came back from the grave just to dance with fery dance with fery.

Yes, I know, I know, speaking as if I ever had a chance

So

Bell, Dance with me

I want my arms about you
The charms about you
Will carry me through to

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Anyway, I have some reads.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I'm all ears.

I was just crying into my notes PT about my severe lack of reads a little while ago

Also, I knew and Bell would dance the minute I saw you /in

If you hear them, you might end up being even more depressed. Do you proceed?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I'm all ears.

I was just crying into my notes PT about my severe lack of reads a little while ago

Also, I knew and Bell would dance the minute I saw you /in

If you hear them, you might end up being even more depressed. Do you proceed?

Yes.

I have a guttown read on LLD and a townlean on Cabd for some unorthodox reason.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

explain yourself on cabd NOW

Ara, caught your interest, perhaps?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I mean yes I’m aware he’s perfectly capable of bluffing his way into things as scum.
But it’s the matter of “would he?” and I think he could’ve done some poking for towncred before doing all that, so.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

You gave that away really early!

I think scum-Cabd would relish the challenge regardless of hiatus.

I sure did!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

fferylit, Bell Town
Gypyx, Firebringer probably Town

(But I do this thing with Firebringer where I townread him early based off a couple posts and then fail to reevaluate so I'm not gonna do that this time)

RH9's entrance was pretty bad imo but then he had one post that was fine so who knows? I also like that ffery had this exact same thought process and it makes me feel good about myself (and her).

scum!Cabd knows that he has to come into this thread talking a big game about pairing up with/reading ffery so nothing alignment indicative for him so far. I am happy for them to pair up so they can hold each other accountable and maybe I don't have to try to read Cabd because ffery will catch him first if he's bad.

I want someone to pair up with LLD who will not be easily manipulated by her if she happens to be scum and will be willing to leave the dance if she hasn't caught at least two scum by the final phase. I get that these are high standards and open for reevaluation as the game progresses but I can just see scum!LLD being able to dominate this setup if a few key players are removed and with Cabd/fferylit likely pairing up I'm already paranoid of that. For the record, I currently have a town lean on her.

I don't particularly like fireisredsir's posts and would probably be voting there if this were a standard game but I don't have words for this read rn

I am excited to be playing with you all again/for the first time!

I would’ve considered pairing up with LLD purely for amusement but alas, we’re both ladies and this ain’t gay dance.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

You gave that away really early!

I think scum-Cabd would relish the challenge regardless of hiatus.

I sure did!

And after your recommendation to RH9, too.

Oh, that’s

you

specific :^)

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Spiffeh that is a surprising amount of sync. Reminds me of WH13.

At this table who among the gents do you think aren't easily manipulable by a hypothetical scum LLD?

Me! My will is stalwart, and I’m too good at this game for some firebird to manipulate me

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh, that’s you specific :^)

I know, but you can never keep the pokerface.

Wow. Rude.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Hmm let me see the list rq.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Firebringer

fferyllt

Save the Dragons
RH9

Bell

Enchant
RCEnigma
LavarManos

Spiffeh

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My inner sadist straight up tells me Enchant.
But I’m p sure that’s not the answer you want.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I’d say Firebringer, honestly.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Spiffeh that is a surprising amount of sync. Reminds me of WH13.

At this table who among the gents do you think aren't easily manipulable by a hypothetical scum LLD?

or we could do an LLD+scummy gent pair that way it will absolutely be doable to get them out?

are scum/scum pairs bad for town?

I think it’s a double edged sword
If you get them it’s BOGOF.
If you don’t then they ain’t leaving the dance ever.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

But then I only played like one dance game.
And it was basically a leave-the-dance fest

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I think enchant is a good player tbh.
Although from my experience, I have no idea what goes in their head half of the time.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Mm, would RH-scum nonchalantly go “I want to pair with LLD?”

[HolySpiritTurtle]

You funny. I’ve been posting here since like 3 am in the morning.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I’d pair with LLD, I think she’s town. But I’m not a powerhouse if I don’t have a right hand to bounce things off of.

Cabd is pretty town too and I’ve only read one Cabd post.

Bell/fb prob town by extension.

Now I know why I think LLD is town, but why do you think she’s town?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Hmm, I see, I see.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Fettuccine

[HolySpiritTurtle]

There was one time he preferred scum over town.
But that was years ago.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

More like Holy Spirit Turtle

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Speaking of which, funnily enough, I would’ve preferred to be scum in this game, which is hella rare.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Speaking of which, funnily enough, I would’ve preferred to be scum in this game, which is hella rare.

any reason why?

Just to see how long I’d last as scum here lol.
Like, I already have like 9 townreads of various degreee at this point lol.
And the game hasn’t even been opened for 24 hours.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

It’s a secret.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Cos that’s how I keep myself entertained.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I don’t know but if I was this GIF person you were speaking of, I’d be absolutely heartbroken after reading what you just posted right now.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Anyway, I’ve decided. As much as I want to dance with fery, I should really let the person who came back from the grave just to dance with fery dance with fery.

Yes, I know, I know, speaking as if I ever had a chance

So

Bell, Dance with me

I want my arms about you
The charms about you
Will carry me through to

I did ask, btw. So no, you’re not hallucinating.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Fire is mafia.

Normally this is the moment when I would townread you for randomly throwing calling people mafia, but you called Firebringer a SK instead so the whole tell is invalidated. Sorry!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Dance proposal, HST

Accepting this proposal

Did I do this right?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Self meta is an amusing thing. If someone asked me to self meta, I can answer it in two words these days.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Latte and cappuccino more like frothed coffee flavored milk

[HolySpiritTurtle]

With that said, I guess I’ll have to read a few things in detail later tonight.
But right now, I’m chilling.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Ff is transparently town?

Yeah, you’ll catch up eventually

Ngl, I might single handedly lose this game on this FF tunnel. I haz regrets about giving ff too much rope.
I kind of think all three of us do.

Dw I don’t think I ever misread fery before. But then, I don’t remember playing against fery-scum either.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My slight townread is about 50% not going to worry about sorting you for now. I've pretty much always scumread your (town) play early-mid day 1 of the games we've played and been wrong. So maybe I should be townreading you for stuff I find scummy. Maybe I don't have to figure you out this time. Maybe I'll eventually get you right regardless of your alignment. Maybe I'll take strong townreads' opinions into account.

Regardless, I'll save the brain cells for other reads for now.

yeah see the thing is last game i just finished 2 out of 4 scum both said they couldn't read me right and refused to go into any reasons on me then just gave bs excuses to townread me or weak scum reasons without pushing me.

So i take this whole "i am not going to think about you" as a scum claim from u.

Ok, you've clearly demonstrated you have no fucking idea how to read me so far.

So, you'll either get better and figure it out, or I'll laugh at you forever until you do actually demonstrate some level of competence at reading me.

Since you've decided everything I post is scum-indicative, I'm sure you'll find some more bricks for your tunnel in this one. Have fun with it.

This is like that one kid who never curses trying to curse and it’s adorable.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

On the other hand, I have like 20 pages to read

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

Town

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh wait I thought this said “I’m just gonna read and not do anything else”

Maybe not as much

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Page 31 so I have a reference for myself.

People keep say “as long as yall don’t last until endgame”

HST predicts that the endgame will contain all the pairs that yall never wished to see in endgame.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Genuine question, how many scum are in this game again?

Uhhhhhh

[HolySpiritTurtle]

have i said skitter very town enough yet

No not enough before I forgot you said it before reading this post

[HolySpiritTurtle]

btw, ffery, what are your thoughts on enchant pairing with anybody?
you've mentioned every gent but them in your post on who you want paired.

I'm leaning on HST's read. Enchant's not on my list of gents I wouldn't want to see paired.

You want me to read Enchant? Dang.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Ffffffff

If you could pick one lady for me to pair with, whom would you pick

Who do you think you'll be able to get a good read on?

Ydra

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Maybe STD is town. Maybe. Just maybe.
Or is it the year of the dragon instilling a secret bias upon me?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I have 11. But when I look at the 5 it does not give me confidence at all. I’ll have to level up the filter.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

This is probably a silly thing to do but I'm going to do this anyway.

Genuine question, how many scum are in this game again?

Uhhhhhh

Bell, how did you confirm your role PM?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Lmao, I actually forgot after literally having to confirm how many scum were in the game.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Reaction time was < 3 min, so because I'm feeling generous today I'll let it slide this time.
Please don't break my heart like this because I have obscene amount of cat pictures ready just for you when the dance PT opens.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

[HolySpiritTurtle]

omg the best accidental pagetop I can ever muster

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I do know that. What I don't fully trust is that you'll take in the proven misread and making it a pivot point on your other reads.

It's ok if Bell ever strays from the path of righteousness and destiny, I have just a thing to straighten his brain.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Bell forgetting that is meh, but there's no way he'd forget it as scum.

It was more about if it was an attempt at feigning ignorance, tbh.
Because if it was, I'd like to think it was very telling for someone like Bell.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Not really set on RCE, but I've seen few things that made me go ???

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

I see I see. I hadn’t gotten this far but you asking me about my line makes sense.

I don’t have any grasp on ffer’s alignment but it looks like there is some level of expectation that ffer and Cabd would be linked this game regardless.

Just playing devils advocate but I think knowing that going in, Cabd is very capable of playing to that aspect.

Does that invalidate my reason for townreading Cabd? Maybe, I’m gonna do it anyway though.

This was after me asking him about LLD read, but responded with Cabd read.

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

Town

Facts

Quoted this post, but nothing about my correction after that post.

Are they AI? idk. They do make me go ???

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I have to say I’m pretty underwhelmed with my current solve of RCEnigma/SirCakez/Fireisredsir/someone else so I probably need to stop writing people off so early!

Might as well start over because the game’s never easy when I’m in it.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Idk much about dance games but I’d like to think that scum would aim for people who aren’t volatile and leave the dance under a tiniest of pressure.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Idk much about dance games but I’d like to think that scum would aim for people who aren’t volatile and leave the dance under a tiniest of pressure.

Do you see pairings that fit this?

No, not really. There are two pairs that were predetermined even before the game begins, and a third pair that is an absolute opposite of not-leaving-the-dance.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I'll probably be back tomorrow cos playing Palworld with friends

Here's a Cremis

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Idk much about dance games but I’d like to think that scum would aim for people who aren’t volatile and leave the dance under a tiniest of pressure.

Do you see pairings that fit this?

No, not really. There are two pairs that were predetermined even before the game begins, and a third pair that is an absolute opposite of not-leaving-the-dance.

u and bell were predetermined?

It was predetermined (well, from this side, at least) during the signup.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Here’s my 2 cents on Enchant.

I think if Enchant is town, I respect their read accuracy.
But on the other hand… yeah.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

For all my yadayada and etcetera etcetera, I’m generally against players being eliminated simply because they can be good at being scum.

Who was this directed to?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh ok. I thought you meant my Enchant post for some reason.

With that said, I

can

see Cakez being town.
Just maybe. This is with level 2 filter.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

You think Cakez is being advised huh
That’s interesting.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

That requires me to keep tabs on ppl’s meta and see if it’s different from their usual shenanigans.
I’m too lazy to keep metas when I’m too lazy to read the game I’m in half of the time.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I feel like I had something important to say but I forgot.
If I forgot it must not have been something important

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I kinda want to say pair Enchant with ydra to keep her entertained, but yet again, that is my inner sadism speaking and it has nothing to do with my reads nor game state.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

i'm going to reread holiday dance party and check for similarities/differences between lld there and lld here.

By the by, how did this go?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

It’s kinda funny that I started off looking at Lavar and then ended up with RH9.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Also I have ultimately decided that STD is town not because of the year of the dragon bias, but simply because I’m good at this game.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I guess I should make a comment about fery’s early posts. I’d like to think that she knows better than to try to grab towncred with “omg how do we approach this game????” as either alignment.

We all know “hi guys” gets her towncred more than whatever she posted.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

It is interesting that RCE hasn’t asked to pair yet.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh we still have 4 days

I feel like it’s been forever

[HolySpiritTurtle]

But since you’re here
How ya feeling about Lavas

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Mmm
I think that's kinda what I'm leaning towards too, but more towards null than town.
Stated lot of things but haven't really delved into any of them.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

[HolySpiritTurtle]

When we getting another cakez game!!!!

I'm technically not allowed to mention this but Cakez did say there was going to be a game in a month or two.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?

While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.

Because I got the cutest avatar in this entire game.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

VOTE: Firebringer

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I think many players thought her asking Bell the role PM confirmation question made her town and I don't find that alignment indicative in the slightest.

I hope that's not the only reason why people townread me because it's going to break my heart like how Bell broke m- ahem, excuse me, GIF's heart.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My one very small reservation here is that HST usually holds off stating a read on me for a while is because he starts from a place of suspicion, and watches my body of work until he's sure. I feel extremely obvious town to players who know me well, so it's not totally outside the envelope of his townplay around me specifically. It's one footnote on a townread.

Did you not think of it as a drastic change?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

75% gut 25% fighting spirit

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Also bell i question how u went from reading rce as scum to nulltown in the span of 3 minutes
u sure u weren't just looking for reasons to townread rce or did u rlly see something good

Speaking of RCE, what's your take on him?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My one very small reservation here is that HST usually holds off stating a read on me for a while is because he starts from a place of suspicion, and watches my body of work until he's sure. I feel extremely obvious town to players who know me well, so it's not totally outside the envelope of his townplay around me specifically. It's one footnote on a townread.

Did you not think of it as a drastic change?

Change, but not entirely drastic after that one Kate game. In that game you were sitting on a townread for a while before you accidentally(?) spilled the beans. You slipped (I think) about the read here more quickly but it was kinda subtle.

I don't remember which game it was, but usually the only thing I accidentally slip is alt slip.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Being more specific would definitely out your main. I think it was the last game we played together.

I think at this point it's "everyone knows my main but pretending not to know for lulz"

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Townread has weakened, but isn't totally gone.

What weakened it?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Because if read my notes re: Spiffeh right now, it just says "loltown"

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Townread has weakened, but isn't totally gone.

What weakened it?

Concern about positioning on me, partly. Maybe Town-Spiffeh gets a strong townread off the bat. He did in WH13. The idea of him wk-ing me has found a place to fester in my mind.

Oh yeah I meant to reply to this and then Palworld claimed me.

I don’t remember how Spiffeh rolls in general but I don’t necessarily consider white knighting itself as a scummy thing. It’s not like he’s only doing that this game or something. He already had solid townreads from ppl after his first longpost(tm), so I don’t think Spiffeh-scum would find a need to WK for towncred.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Uh only doing that as in WKing and not doing anything else.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Shouldn’t what?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

wait. did fire mention who they'd prefer to pair with?

After the catch up was this the only thing you had in mind?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Spiffeh white knighting is not a sin
Raise your shield high o paladin

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Raise it with PRIDE

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Mmm
I think that's kinda what I'm leaning towards too, but more towards null than town.
Stated lot of things but haven't really delved into any of them.

This was what I had

[HolySpiritTurtle]

With that said, my RH9 keep rubberbanding after every new posts, and that’s amusing.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

My RH9 read, rather

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Anyway, to elaborate on what I said re: Lavar, dude is saying a lot of takes and opinions, but he isn’t exploring any of them further. Basically, lot of surface reads I think. Could be town still testing the water, or scum pretending to do things. On one hand, his takes were rather blunt and I don’t know if a scum would approach like that and make enemy like that for no reason. On the other hand, it could simply just be a playstyle.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Is it bad if I’m townreading Enchant

[HolySpiritTurtle]

wait. did fire mention who they'd prefer to pair with?

After the catch up was this the only thing you had in mind?

it was one thing but not the only.

What else have you got?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

is diplomacy a scum tell of fireisred.
This feels totally different than any firered town game I know of

How does firered town look like?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

We can just call you mafia every game until you roll mafia

Shit. You're right.

Quick, everyone lock in an officially official guess as to mine and ffery's alignments, no take-backsies. Accuracy will be graded postgame.

Or in the dead thread roast.

But what if I want to take my sweet ass time sipping [Insert beverage that screams "nobility" here]?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I'm lost at page 72.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I did read the Cabd/fery bit twice but I don't see what makes them unable to be T/T?
I am severely multitasking (and probably should focus on the task on hand over this) but I just don't see?
I just feel bunch of "just wait until the PT opens" vibes and given that it's them I don't really see a problem with that.
Ok actually I lied I do see

one

problem with it, but I'm gonna wait a day or two to see if that problem grows. But atm it's more of a sidenote.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

More independent sorting sounding. His thoughts feel pretty manufactured to please to me.

I'll add this to the list of to-do list. ngl I haven't really paid attention to their posts.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Which part?

Also I think I caught a fever so I’ll prob be back tomorrow

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Still feels like shit but if we were gonna do the not pairing thing, couldn’t we have just picked one gent that was the absolute town of all and pair em with Ydra for a quick win? Statistically it has higher chance to win us the game.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

If that post was actually a scumflip then that was a great getaway answer. Although Bell shouldn’t have helped him out like that. Best way to determine if something is a scumslip is to not feed anything and let themselves make themself clear or let them blow themselves up.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Themselves clear

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Personally I don’t think it was scumslip anyway because in order for that to be one the next post had to be one too due to how natural it flowed (and <3 min time, most likely with post button being interrupted by Spiffeh thrrr)

[HolySpiritTurtle]

That time thing was just for you!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

You know what I think last two posts makes Lavar town.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Two pages, not posts

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Idk the whole “forcing the read” fiasco just don’t seem like an angle scum would openly take?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Eh, I think they could easily have just been afraid of rejection.

Ah. Polite scum.

Fuck.

Why would someone being afraid of rejection would openly state that they are forcing a fake read to request to dance? Like, sure, transparency doesn’t always mean town, but I don’t think that’s the case here.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh ok

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Eh I’m still good with leaving Lavar behind, although I agree that that wasn’t a scum slip.

Is it in terms of utility or read?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Tbh I can see both being town. But then I guess if either are scum, they need to appeal as best as they can.

Actually I just read that readlist in detail now and lot of them are “not sure” and “could be scum.” I guess it’s not as dramatic than I thought it was when I glanced at it.

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But I do feel a bit of sincerity in that readlist.

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fire never ever ever picks me because i called them mafia (and they probably are and don't want to just instadie because of my triggerhappyness) so i am willing to throw this one, if they both instaleave.

If you end up not getting a pair and be eliminated, who should I go after?

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Like this might sound very rude and I by all means mean no offense to Lavar, but if I assume WCS and they’re both town, I’d rather take Enchant over Lavar just because I’ve seen Enchant play good as town, read accuracy wise

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I thought rce got paired already.
Maybe I was seeing things.

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RCEnigma & SirCakez have paired!

Nope I wasn’t tripping on cold med after all

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Hahaha I am banking my entire play banking on certain somebody being town

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Is it up to me to carry this game
Because if so, I need ppl to scumread me asap so we don’t get nightkilled.

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I think once accepted it can’t be cancelled.
Because if it could I’m sure LLD would’ve cancelled long time ago.

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I mean I'm going to say "I can't believe you picked xxxxx what the heck FIR" no matter who you pick

Based

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I can’t believe you picked Enchant what the heck FIR

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Is it up to me to carry this game
Because if so, I need ppl to scumread me asap so we don’t get nightkilled.

What a scummy turtle

Yes keep ‘em coming please

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I did need to see a flip myself.
Mostly to determine if I’m on the right track or I got stuck in a ditch somewhere because baby I’m driving this car blind and I keep stepping on that pedal

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driving blind is a scum move

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God fucking dammit
I had a plan since day 1

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HST made a massive case on RH9 before they died just fyi. I say this because I cannot be the only person embarrassed here, assuming they aren’t scum that intentionally did that.

Alas, I live to scum side another day.

I hate you.

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But yes leaning to that scum wanted to get rid of IC pair early, even though I don't think Ydra/RH9 is much of a threat (no offense to both)

Yeah I fully expected to die.

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Because I am clearly a pro mafia player.
Totally.

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I think from like mid-pairing stage that was a plan

Cabd/ffery would leave
Enchant if possible would take out another pair to force night
Where the ic/town pair would die

Putting us in second dance without the ic's thoughts
And i'm assuming someone who can carry is scum
I am looking at like fire/lld and bizarrwly hst b/c idk who else cabd thinks carries

Sadly bell is town

What's wrong with Bell being town? Other than blatantly shaming me.

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I expected that pair to die

Oh your guess is good as mine.
I and Bell were dooming and glooming and going for brownie points after ascending to dead PT.
Except that I wouldn't have gotten one because RH9 flipped town.

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Oh by the way I'm going to be the odd one out and say that I townread LLD cos

So cabd was the scum.

Yes duh.

Only reason I wasn't banging that gong more was to possibly buy ffery time

this was pretty much my entire Day 1 setup and it kinda feels like some sort of mindmeld that she went for the same thing

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By the way I'm glad that some of y'all think I'm someone who's able to carry as scum.

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Cabd would have avoided a Ffery pairing by calling her Scum and buried her in the fucking dirt if he wantes to try and play for long game.

I think scum Cabd had to pair with fery. He most likely knew that otherwise I would pair with fery, and that would cast over a giant doomsday spell on his team.

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I don't think it's delirious for me to think that I would not let fery get buried to the ground. I'm lazy, awfully minimalist, and fluffy as ever, but I'd like to think that I can at least manage that much. And the longer town fery lives, things get worse for scum.

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skitter, what's your read on LLD?
Like, none of this "idk she's too good of a player so needs to die :^)"

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i call firered scum, it was actually enchant.
I call fferryllt scum, it was actually cabd.
I call skitter scum, it was actually STD.

Come on, thats hilarious. We need to keep it up
I called Cakez a town lean day 1 i think. Or at least i was feeling it.

Join the crew

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No we're not in awful position.
We did get two scum out of the way. Whatever their plan might have been, they played themselves.

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anyone ever tell u that u phrase things sometimes in a very sussy way lol

All the time, actually.
English ain't my first language so there were times people looked at me funny for my phrasing.

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You know, having a neighbor with someone I townread is a great thing because I get to tell somebody how I’m actually feeling without having to hide it from everyone because I don’t want the interaction to be tampered.

Since we’re dealing (dealt?) with Cabd-scum, I’ve been trying to think outside of the box of sort to speak. We know Cabd’s known for pulling some wildest shit, after all. What does he want us to think?

If we assume that Cabd-Enchant chain explosion is planned, why would he do that? Cabd wanted fery gone ASAP, this much is obvious. But what caused Enchant to follow suit immediately after and kill the IC in intermission? Normal assumption is “kill confirmed town and have the deepscum wrap up the game.” After all, Cabd wasn’t doing jack and Enchant’s playstyle is generally hated by people so they were probably not going to survive long anyway. But I think that’s too easy.
Cabd insta leave is clearly a part of some sort of gambit. It was big enough of a gambit that Enchant followed suit, basically removing half of their team on the spot. Would he really pull something that could be easily guessed by town? What if I think outside of the box? What if he planned all this just so that have town implode with a paranoia on strong town so that their not-so-strong scum mates have a chance to survive after the dust settles? Basically, a desperation gambit.

To test this out-of-the-box thoughts, I’m going to see if I can think of a reason that makes sense for them to do so. So from here on out, I’ll be writing things as I think. Basically, answering bunch of my own self-questions. I do this sometimes (not a lot of times because it’s all effort and I’m lazy) and frankly it’s fun.

Normally, I think if a scumteam is Cabd-Enchant-kindaweakscum1-kindaweakscum2, I’d think Cabd would be in carry position normally. But why would he instead opt for a sac position in this team? Maybe because too occupied by his rl tragedy? I still think he had no choice but to choose fery to pair because him not pairing with fery would look sus af (well at least to me anyway). So maybe he decided to instaboom while providing zero info to get fery off the game before she solves the game. People going after fery took her focus away from solving the game so had a good reason to boom fery away before she figures out his kindaweakscumbuddies. If he was going to leave instantly anyway, he couldn’t have cared less about trying to look town, and he couldn’t have cared less about interrupting fery when she was being distracted fending off scumread on her. Man, thinking about that still gets my blood boil. I knew he was up to something when he was just flat out not doing anything, but I felt like I just couldn’t do anything about it myself and hope that others come around to give her space when it wasn’t even an elim phase yet because if I started intervening I know I’d start whiteknighting the hell out of her and that would definitely cause Cabd to insta leave because less of her fighting off scumreads = more time for her to start solving. Like it was obvious to me in a bit that fery just started the game on wrong foot. Maybe Cabd was planning to leave regardless, but that just makes me feel even worse because that just means that I let people throw rocks at fery and I just sat and watched and did nothing about it for no fucking reason. But in the end, what happened is what happened, I guess. Cabd insta left. And Enchant followed suit. Why did Enchant leave immediately? If it was to cut off discussion, then they could’ve chosen a weaker scum. After all, decent amount of people were not scumreading Enchant. (And yes Bell, I’m going to mention that one post again because you outed my retrospectly hilariously wrong rh9 scumcase) Heck,

I

also preferred Enchant getting a pair over Lavar, although that was because Enchant’s solves looked pretty good based on the games I’ve seen with them. Would it be because they knew they weren’t living to endgame anyway? Maybe they saw something in FIR’s reads? Idk I guess I’ll visit that venue tomorrow. Maybe Enchant was the weakest link. Or maybe they simply thought that they would cut the discussion time short. I think if we don’t remove all the scum by second dance deadline we just straight up lose? I have no idea how Enchant operates so it’s hard for me to guess his reasoning. Why did they leave our pair alive and went for IC? Maybe just killed IC, cos IC. But imo rh9 would be very mislimable for scum and easier to save him til later to mislim (cos paired with IC). At least that’s what I would have done if I was scum. I can see scum not killing LLD-FB pair because they were talking about leaving the game before endgame, but I honestly can’t fathom (probably due to ego idk) that they went for killing rh9 over me or Bell. Is it because we’re on a hilariously wrong track? Maybe I’m just salty because they chose to nightkill rh9 (even with pairing with IC) over me or Bell. Anyway where was I? Right, out of the box. I think they just killed IC for the sake of removing the confirmed town. Or I guess they were scared of Ydra solving the game. Idk how good Ydra is for I never really played a game with her before, but I think I saw someone mentioning that so either way I guess the nightkill was, in the end, a fearkill of a good player being IC. Now that leaves a very important topic. I might be biased because unlike the people out there, I townread LLD. Based on little of what I know about LLD, I would think that if she was scum she would’ve bussed Enchant and Cabd even harder. I just don’t see her not going after Cabd very vocally and instead choosing to do the opposite as scum? Like, it should be a clear cut scumread that she would know that is flipping scum. Why not bus him to oblivion? Same with Enchant. I think if LLD is scum, I don’t think she would let Enchant just leave like that. She would also bus them to oblivion and grab all the credit. Overall, I think if LLD is scum, then the scumteam kinda actively worked against each other. Also, the mindmeld. I guess my LLD townread is what made me do this out of the box scenario in the first place. You know, I was doing this for a fun exercise, but for some reason this only ended up mellowing me. I guess I’m gonna read what I wrote tomorrow when my mind is clearer and see what I wrote is some sort of mastinapost or if it actually makes sense to me. If it ends up being bad, then at least I did tell you that this PT is now a meme PT.

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Oh I meant to hit preview not submit

That’s what I get for trying to enter format something outside of PT but goddamn purple background and black text hurts my eyes especially when I’m on my phone

Enjoy my unformatted, unfiltered garble I guess

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You couldn’t afford it anyway

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LLD is scary but also i wanna trust her

actually sorry if i missed it somewhere but is there any point where you go over stuff that you did that makes you distinctivly town? apart from the enchant counterpush, i hear that one

These two do not look like they share a same mindset though

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Also

HST's big "oops that was meant for hood" post strikes me as a weird thing to do since idk how you accidentally publish that, especially since it feels like the intro was more meant to talk to the game thread as a whole? idk, it sounds very contrived

You fatfinger “Submit” instead of “Preview.”

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LLD is scary but also i wanna trust her

actually sorry if i missed it somewhere but is there any point where you go over stuff that you did that makes you distinctivly town? apart from the enchant counterpush, i hear that one

These two do not look like they share a same mindset though

i feel like it really illustrates it? could you develop?

Former suggests you wish LLD to be town. “Why are you town” is one of the posterity question and just doesn’t seem like a question that comes from the mindset you described.

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Also

HST's big "oops that was meant for hood" post strikes me as a weird thing to do since idk how you accidentally publish that, especially since it feels like the intro was more meant to talk to the game thread as a whole? idk, it sounds very contrived

You fatfinger “Submit” instead of “Preview.”

y are you previewing unsorted and unformatted thoughts

Oh I meant to hit preview not submit

That’s what I get for trying to enter format something

outside of PT but goddamn purple background and black text hurts my eyes especially when I’m on my phone

Enjoy my unformatted, unfiltered garble I guess

Because I was trying to format my garble so I have easier time reading it later. I accidentally clicked submit before I could finish doing so, so it is now unformatted. You see how the first few paragraphs are separated and the rest are all stuck together? Yeah.

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LLD is scary but also i wanna trust her

actually sorry if i missed it somewhere but is there any point where you go over stuff that you did that makes you distinctivly town? apart from the enchant counterpush, i hear that one

These two do not look like they share a same mindset though

i feel like it really illustrates it? could you develop?

Former suggests you wish LLD to be town. “Why are you town” is one of the posterity question and just doesn’t seem like a question that comes from the mindset you described.

i honestly don't understeand how you're seeing this

What kind of answer did you expect to get when you asked her why she is town?

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FB you’re evil

You’re basically inviting people to read my unformatted jumble in detail.

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fb

What changed?

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Bell Fire LLD Spiff

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FB what do you think about the fact that cakez is the only one who commented anything about your townread thing?

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24 hours

I thought time was voodoo

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If spiff and gyphx are both town how does scum win here?

Scum pair?

Or maybe they’re just doomed.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Can you imagine getting sick again after recovering only a couple of days ago

Because that’s me

Please leave all inquires to my emergency contact, Bell

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HST do you have any words for your haters perhaps

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Also I knew I wasn’t tripping when I thought I read about the deadline thing. I saw ppl say deadline is infinite and I double checked the setup page and I couldn’t find anything so I thought I was tripping.

I think we’re almost done with making decision anyway though.

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VOTE: Gyphx

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I’ll be here tomorrow bc my headache is killing me

But I’ll just say that I need to start everything over because I was dead-on wrong for literally everything this game, with LLD flipping scum (one of my strongest townread) and skitter flipping town (had a terrible rxn to our Gypyx vote, will explain tomorrow), and the rxn test was for me to confirm my locktown read on y’all (and secretly Bell’s, will explain tomorrow)

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I called Cabd townlean, flipped scum
I called Enchant over Lavar, Enchant flipped scum
I called LLD town, LLD flipped scum

I have never been broken this bad in my entire mafiascum career

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And it’s a pagetop too, nice

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I’ll be here tomorrow bc my headache is killing me

But I’ll just say that I need to start everything over because I was dead-on wrong for literally everything this game, with LLD flipping scum (one of my strongest townread) and skitter flipping town (had a terrible rxn to our Gypyx vote, will explain tomorrow), and the rxn test was for me to confirm my locktown read on y’all (and secretly Bell’s, will explain tomorrow)

I think Bell already posted the gist of it, but basically I was going for a double reaction test. I was already townreading Spiffeh, and since FB/LLD didn't look like a pair that would stay until endgame (in a retrospect, I'm glad that they didn't!) I was looking for a pair other than ours to rocket to endgame. I think in general it's a good practice to not include myself when it comes to announcing uni townreads, since while I know my role PM, the others don't. I was originally townreading Gypyx until she made the comment about my lolpost being faked while making it really obvious that she didn't even bother to read it (said something about the post intending to look like it's for the game thread when at the end I clearly mention that it's for PT). While I expect nobody to actually go through that post (hell, I wouldn't either, and I didn't), that just looked like she just jumped on it as a kneejerk reaction while pretending that she read it. So my read dropped and became unsure. I also didn't really like the pace of the game in general, even though I understood that it was a President's day weekend. I had a tint of feeling that scum is liking the current pace of the game, so I came up with this idea to "stir shit up." Bell seemed to have trouble trying to read Gypyx too, and Gypyx's posts seemed to get better for me, so even better reason why.

* We throw down a double naked vote on Gypyx, who was widely being townread
* Watch how people react to the sudden action that nobody expected it to happen

If Gypyx was town, we probably would've gotten hella flaks, and if Gypyx was that "deepscum," then I'd maybe catch some sort of kneejerk reaction; A potentially a laziest potshot attempt at to solve the game without having to go back on previous 100 posts or so. And then STD said "YEET" before everyone could check in, throwing a giant middle finger at me.

But I did say that this was a double reaction test. The reason I didn't tell Bell in PT about, was to stem any potential paranoia I might have about Bell. Sort of like double-checking answers. It was simple. If Bell was scum, I think he would've been lot more hesistant about following suit because this was going to be a move that hurts his universal townread status and if he was scum, casting doubt on his uni town status is something that he wouldn't want whatsoever, especially at this late stage of the game. He went along with it no problem, showed to me that he was caring reads over status, so I was happy with that result.

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HST’s read on RH9 in pairing phase

It all boils down to that

* RH9 clearly wanted to pair with Ydra but pursuing Cakez to be paired with (Unnatural flow; What was stopping him from pursuing his dream? Perhaps someone was stopping him from doing so?)
* Showed few interests of seeing who Enchants pair with
* Was OK with Enchant pairing with IC, which is hella sketch after combining two points above.

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But in the end, it was all moot, as he was nightkilled and flipped town.

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A lot of early posts from HST also seem to be buddying people like ffery and Bell (and Cabd) but this could be a play style thing.

They’re the three reasons I joined this game so yeah

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given they tend to play scummy in their usual games

I don’t remember ever saying this?
My usual games are pinnacle of towniness, the shining beacon of hope

Read accuracy not included, batteries sold separately

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1. You'll notice all of my reasons for town reading HST occurred in the pairing phase. My biggest problem with this slot is how much of a non-entity they have been throughout Second Dance. I felt HST was pretty well engaged the first Day, but a lot of that good will has evaporated. From what he's presented in the thread during Second Dance, I do not see much effort devoted to scum hunting other than some engagement with Gypyx (who funnily enough feels like the designated mis-lim at this point LOL). At no time did HST really provide their thoughts on the order they'd want people to leave the dance, or make much effort to identify the town/town pair he wanted to bring to endgame. There's also no visible questioning of Bell other than the Gypyx reaction test which was supposedly also a test for Bell? Their play this phase just leaves a lot to be desired for me.

I'm gonna be honest with you, my "WIM," or whatever people call it these days, tanked significantly after fery got blown up. But with that said, my playstyle is more passive than it is active. I like watching people's posts, analyzing them, while trying to avoid tampering the interaction; All unless I have something important that I must mention or questions I need to ask. I've been wrong on pretty much everything in this game, I've been losing leads left to right, and every Eureka moments fell apart, until I realized that I only need to find one T/T pair. After that, I didn't really care who left first, as long as I find that T/T pair. I was already hard-townreading you at the time, and my only confident T/T pair at the time (FB/LLD, which turned out to be wrong) declared that they're not going to stay until endgame, and Bell seemed to hope that Gypyx is town, so I came up with that double reaction test. I didn't really question Bell because I was pretty confident that he's town. I didn't really question you either. The double reaction test against Bell was mostly "Juuuuuuuust in case" moment.

2. All of this is even more concerning because HST has supposedly been doing a bang up job in the neighborhood based on his "massive case" (Bell's words, not mine) on RH9 and that one post that he accidentally posted here that was meant for the neighborhood. Why hasn't this level of content and effort been provided in the thread at this point? There is a stark contrast between what Bell has conveyed about HST from the neighborhood and his play in the thread. Scum knows they lose the game if their partner leaves, so HST high-efforting in the neighborhood while keeping his cutesy, innocent persona in the thread feels like he's desperately trying to pocket Bell while maintaining the behavior that got him so widely town read in the Pairing Phase. This feeling is amplified keeping in mind that scum knew LLD was a dead woman walking today and the remaining scum was the only one with a chance of reaching endgame.

I wouldn't really call them a bang up job, but rather me being actively confused The one I accidentally posted here was me trying to braindump in my mellow-feeling-night so I can try to take a grasp at the game again, but other than that, most of my posts in the PT during the second dance were about what kind of reaction I'm expecting and what kind of reaction I'm seeing, so they weren't something I couldn't post here. In retrospect, I only looked for cheap ways to find stuff probably because I was being lazy.

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With that said, I'll try to re-scan the game again, but for all this time Bell was pretty much my locktown read, and I honestly don't see myself changing that. That reaction test was my last spec of doubt I had on him, and he passed it with flying color.

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Actually let me go look at LLD's posts during second dance.

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Ok i gotta bounce
Lld i am very happy to discuss tomorrow night, won't be around till then

Pedit my list is you, hst and like maybe (?) bell or fire (maybe me from your pov)

I don't think he entrusts the game to anyone else
But the same thought process is encouraging!

Nah Cabd wouldn't trust the game to me or Fire given the outcome kf things.

He would trust STD, You, Gypyx, Spiffeh, Cakez, HST.

Those are the people he would trust.

Unless you are looking for a player who has experience to guide a super townie to the end. Then he could trust me. He could trust you. He could trust Fire. He could trust Bell.

But if you are looking for Cabd's wincon it's in that list above.

i think all this talk of cabd "entrusting" the game to someone is pretty weird when in reality it's not like he sacrificed an advantageous position to do what he did, like most people viewed his pair as having 1 scum anyways

enchant meanwhile was maybe somewhat deeper but also not the kind of player who's gonna *do* a lot of stuff

You are WILD if you think this hasn't been Cabd's plan since fucking page 10 when he was getting mostly townreads and Ffery was being crucified.

Cabd would have avoided a Ffery pairing by calling her Scum and buried her in the fucking dirt if he wantes to try and play for long game. This was a Con.

Cabd trusted his game to someone in the overall town PoE. At least one, maybe two.
The plan to have enchant and cabd suicide to deny info means that people who tried to protect Enchant from being left out of the dance by me are majorly suspect.

I did exactly this, yet Firebringer said that you and him think myself and Gypyx should be an endgame pair.

Can you explain?

You seem eager though to tell me who did and didn't refute my Enchant should be left out assertions.

Wanna do the research for me and tell me what you find? Since you're eager.

Cabd would have avoided a Ffery pairing by calling her Scum and buried her in the fucking dirt if he wantes to try and play for long game.

I think scum Cabd had to pair with fery. He most likely knew that otherwise I would pair with fery, and that would cast over a giant doomsday spell on his team.

I'm sorry but this is the best argument for you being scum anyone has posted.

Cause if you think scum cabd is afraid of you and Ffery pairing as t/T I tho k you have lost your mind.

But if scum cabd was afraid you'd be forced to swallow the Poison Ffery pill instead and determined his longevity in this game (like mine) was lower than yours due to status and paranoia, then he might have swallowed the Ffery pill to protect you, yeah.

LLD, my argument is that you’re here to run the yards so that your team can get a touch down at the end.

Uh. But that’s only if you’re scum.

Yeah, no, YOUR argument makes sense. It's WRONG but it at least holds some water. I get it. If I'm scum here I'm setting up for the finale. I'm pushing an elimination through that needs to happen for my buddy to win and then going sayonara on the spot.

I'm not scum, but I at least get THIS paranoia.

I had an email etiquette training and I was told that all caps was bad because they might think you’re yelling at someone.

Might think? Oh no, who would get that impression, lol.

Compared to this day phase, I would not say you extensively and loudly pushed for their death.

You didn’t even use all caps.

Yesterday I laid out tons of reasons, tried to play nice and reasonable because when people in this game get yelled at they tend to do the fucking opposite of what I want. (Dance games in particular, I mean).

Like people wanna dance with who they wanna dance. I was VERY extensive and popped in EVERY time there was an opening for me to pitch. Sorry if I didn't yell, it turns out I was trying to have fun with this game instead of blowing a blood vessel.

I'm currently in "blowing a blood vessel" mode rn. Cause now I just wanna win and be heard and listened to. I feel like I got this game on fucking lock if I can just have a few days to piece it together and do my research without people going "LUL LLD SO SCUMMY FOR BEING GOOD AT SCUM"

Like you'd think maybe I'd be able to ignore it but it drives me up a fucking wall and it makes it so hard for me to focus on anything but wanting to strangle those people.

Like, Bell, the reason you're not getting yelled at is because at least, in your paranoia of me, there is some kind of like, tempered understanding and situational awareness. You make SENSE. You're WRONG. And I hate that you constantly think the worst outcome of me because it feels like I'm being played to in a manner of "LLD always draws scum so just assume she does instead of actually trying to townread her" but I actually understand your logic and can confront it.

The rest of these people are just doing what you're doing only with worst justification and it's so transparently just wanting not to be the one to die themselves!

These are the posts where LLD interacts with currently alive folks, for reference

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We can assume/consider this:

* Since it's us four in endgame, I concede that their plan was definitely deepscum. I thought they were trying to WIFOM it because otherwise it would make the presence of deepscum too obvious, but I guess not. Would LLD bus or not in the situation she was in?

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Spiffeh is... Town......?

Let's hope this game won't end up disaster like all previous ones.

Don’t most dance games result in town wins.
At least, all the games I’ve been in were town wins.

They were disasters too.

I don’t really think enchant can be coached.

Do you think i am hopeless huh

I want to raise question, but, why town should be calm at possiblity of being left out?

Hello?

I mean, this is litterally just Town / Mafia being exed discussion right now

How it's related

I want to raise question, but, why town should be calm at possiblity of being left out?

Hello?

I mean, this is litterally just Town / Mafia being exed discussion right now

How it's related

The only difference between being left / exed is that one is popular vote and the other is the choice of 1 person except they get influence by popular opinion too

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh reread my question

I want to raise question, but, why town should be calm at possiblity of being left out?

Hello?

I mean, this is litterally just Town / Mafia being exed discussion right now

How it's related

The only difference between being left / exed is that one is popular vote and the other is the choice of 1 person except they get influence by popular opinion too

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh reread my question

i think it's pretty widespread consensus that scum is generally more concerned about survivability than town, even if town can get concerned about it?

Sounds like bias

fire never ever ever picks me because i called them mafia (and they probably are and don't want to just instadie because of my triggerhappyness) so i am willing to throw this one, if they both instaleave.

If you end up not getting a pair and be eliminated, who should I go after?

Of course you will follow my leads.


Either way, there's no real difference who Fire picks. We all three almost ceirtanly dead.

These are the Enchant's posts that mentioned us.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

2229's list is probably full of WIFOM, but it contains all of our names except for Bell's.
2232 is LLD yelling at Gypyx for not grasping at Cabd's plan. The amount of "you're dumb" in that post is exaggerated. Potential distancing attempt?
2234 is LLD telling Spiffeh to go look at who did and who didn't want Enchant left out. Hmm.
2237 and 2238 are LLD telling me that I scummed myself. To be honest, I still don't get what exactly made me "scum" there.
2336 is LLD accepting Bell's paranoia of her. Doesn't she normally go kinda "you're dumb if you're doubting me?" I don't actually recall any LLD-scumgame so someone verify this for me.
2378 and 2380 are LLD complaining to Bell. This is probably a null moment.

I guess I won't find much here. I think she spreaded out associatives pretty well.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

With that said, I'll try to re-scan the game again, but for all this time Bell was pretty much my locktown read, and I honestly don't see myself changing that. That reaction test was my last spec of doubt I had on him, and he passed it with flying color.

ok now i'm really curious what you mean by "passed it with flying colors" cause if that's what happened sounds like the bar was really low

It was a very low bar for Bell. As I said, I didn't really doubt Bell. But I did feel like I still had to do some sort of double checking for the sake of double checking. Clearly putting a naked vote on someone who were basically being universally townread would damage his towncred. If Bell was that deepscum I think he wouldn't take any chances (town-Bell probably would have a reason too tbh). Instead he went along with it just fine.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

The really only thing that interests me in Enchant's posts is how they called Spiffeh town while they were calling literally everyone else scum. It probably doesn't mean much, but it's interesting.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I'll do Cabd ones later.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I am not having fun today with vomiting and all that. I wish the deadline was longer but it’s probably not happening. Less than 2 days left and I’m not really in a shape to do much, and I have 0 guarantee that I will magically feel better after not recovering for 2 days, so I’ll keep this short. Y’all can do whatever y’all want after this post. This is probably the best thing I can muster at my current state.

What I was looking for re: reaction test against Bell, I already explained exactly what I was looking for.

As I said before, I townread all of y’all coming to this endgame so I probably won’t do very good job any convincing, so I am going to rely on self-defense. Everyone seems to be in agreement that Bell is town so I won’t have to worry about that front.

Had I been scum this game, that means I made this game much much more difficult for myself for no reason by:

1. Force myself to townread all of my scumbuddies

2. Needlessly efforted to make RH9 case and nightkill him when I could’ve just killed Spiffeh/Gypyx and mislim RH9, which is much more easier alternative

3. Fake a longpost slip that nobody is going to ever read

4. Trying to lock y’all as the endgame pair with reaction test. You could argue that it was an attempt at towncred while not doing much but literally nobody but STD would’ve known that they were going to leave like that.

I absolutely hate defending myself, because you can just laugh at self-defense and call them lolwifom, but this is literally all I got.