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Post #113 (isolation #5) » Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:55 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 107, ActionDan wrote:
Firebagel was because as an alt that may very well only exist for the purpose of stealing Firebringer's scum claiming gimmick, it hadn't posted for a page.
Dang, he figured out the joke so easily!
Not sure what posting rate has to do with anything though.
Can you explain why you are taking a hostile/adversarial position to this line of inquery? It has a hard time believing you can't see that your entrance is above the line of suspicious and overtly drawing attention, so it wants to understand what the motivation of your doing this is? What do you aim to accomplish with this tact?
What comes across as hostile to you? And what's suspicious and drawing attention about my entrance?
Can you answer the question, though? It would like an answer.
Sure. I think I was being flippant, not hostile; and I think my entrance was pretty clearly a joke to amuse me (and maybe get some potentially useful reactions).
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Post #282 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:02 am
Postby Firebagel »
In post 146, Oblivion wrote:
To those who have expressed town reads on it, can it ask for a deeper look into the why behind those sentiments from each of you, for the purpose of its mental models?
Your prompt response pushing for an answer to your questions was self-assured in a towny way indicating you actually cared about the matter.
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Post #370 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 am
Postby Firebagel »
ActionDan wrote:
People who engage in gimmicks like that place a high priority on RVS banter to form early reads. If they do not post while the iron is hot, the utility disappears as well.
Wow, could not be more wrong. But the "omg you're playing wrong" way of thinking could easily be your towngame.
Dunn is tryharding and that worries me a little, so I'm on like the totally opposite page here.
Which posts in particular?
Because I feel like Dunn is doing the opposite.
-Herr Mitt
I wouldn't say it was anything from a post in particular. Just was thinking about the strength of the playerlist and thinking about how out of place I am, then remembered town Dunn can be kinda limbaity too, and that made me wonder if he's trying to actively post useful looking stuff to look better.
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Post #993 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:13 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 981, Oblivion wrote:
Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
Word. I just spent like two hours reading to get caught up.
I have some concerns about the setup and how everyone is just accepting that a hood is set up a particular way, given that this game is literally called "shell game" and the mod clearly knows what that is.
In post 981, Oblivion wrote:
Oh boy. It has the sense it is going to struggle with the speed of this game. It will begin to read at this moment, from where it left off, but if users had questions for it sufficient it could engage with them and begin mental modelling it would strongly prefer live interaction to combing through 30 pages.
Word. I just spent like two hours reading to get caught up.
I have some concerns about the setup and how everyone is just accepting that a hood is set up a particular way, given that this game is literally called "shell game" and the mod clearly knows what that is.
Well, a deAAAthy is in and of itself, a shell game, of sorts. Hence the thematic. I'm sure the other hood has a different sort of fuckery ready for us.
I'm not at all familiar with a dethy so I'm maybe not understanding how it plays out, but I don't get where the shell game aspect comes in if it's just exactly what's expected. It doesn't feel like the hood being thought of as a dethy really even changes how we'd see the alignment of its players. We expect one in the five to be scum regardless.
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Post #1018 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:45 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 1010, Oblivion wrote:
If this is true and matches the link given exactly... it would assume the best play would to be look anywhere but within those 5 today. Two cops whose results can actually be interpreted for results, with time and flips and two that can't? Makes little sense to do scum's work for them.
So let that resolve as it goes and simply look elsewhere to kill today?
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Post #1036 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:06 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 1020, morph the cat wrote:
The scum in the deathy has to play a shell game where they have to pick a faked alignment, and stick to it. While constantly trying NOT to be narrowed down into a 1v1 vs whoever actually has their assigned sanity.
This plays out like the mafia in the deathy is going for a shell game, they want to last as long as possible with misdireciton and ambiguity. The more sleights of hand and "mist" you can get away with, the better your long term odds, but in the end you WILL die, so you're playing for maximum chaos agent while alive knowing you cannot endgame.
I dunno, playing a game you're doomed to lose in spite of your misdirection sounds like the opposite of a shell game to me.
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Post #1368 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:27 am
Postby Firebagel »
In post 1314, Sunflower wrote:
it's been unexplicitly said at this point multiple times and i think it's frankly dumb to not just make it clear so btw, we aren't straight up cops, we are inventors who give out cop shots of unknown sanity
so it's like one step removed from dethy i guess idk
Thank you for the clarification, I was on the verge of asking why people were just randomly bringing up inventors.
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Post #1419 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:28 am
Postby Firebagel »
Oblivion wrote:
Okay this is... an overeaction and a half. What is it even meant to say? It is clearly trying to speak about the manner in which you approach the game. The only player here being personally insulting, from its view, is you.
Consider this an emotional support post, I totally agree and hope whatever the hell happened here isn't going to be a discouragement to you.
do you have any leads at all?
i’m asking because you seemed a little uncomfortable when you showed up and i feel like your posts are not really engaging with the game at large
Weird take but okay, if you think I was uncomfortable you can think that.
I dunno what you mean by leads but Dann feels weird at times, like the vote on Marci really felt out of place and I pegged morph as town for also having a skeptical reaction to it. I'll have to look more closely but it felt like he might've had more info there.
Also I literally don't know what he meant by tagging along with CSF's read of me and I haven't gotten the clarification I demanded.
What do you expect from someone who's "engaging with the game at large"? Talking to everyone? That's not how I operate.
In post 1505, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game
But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least
wait, it thought those connections were just jokes based on the name, is the account really actually a joke account trying to mirror firebringer's playersytle?
I don't think she's trying to mimic all of Firebringer's playstyle, just the part where he jokingly claims scum (her account creation was motivated by Firebringer based on her signup post). The rest of her playstyle seems true to her usual self.
Yeah, I don't know Firebringer well enough to actually keep it up, but that was definitely the idea.
But what is my 'usual' playstyle? Does Oblivion seem accurate in describing it from what it's seen here?
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Post #1564 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:45 am
Postby Firebagel »
In post 1554, Firebringer wrote:
Okay since morph doesn't want my vote i leave it open to the game.
Guess what cheese im thinking of u become a double voter for 48 hours
In post 1517, Firebagel wrote:
Yeah, I don't know Firebringer well enough to actually keep it up, but that was definitely the idea.
But what is my 'usual' playstyle? Does Oblivion seem accurate in describing it from what it's seen here?
By "usual" playstyle, I meant that you're not trying to deliberate obfuscate your posting. For the most part you're posting things you would normally post on your main
And hmm, it's right that you're lighthearteded at times and you'll generally say what's on your mind, but I don't think you're "off the cuff." I think Oblivion's thought process was typed up quickly and checks out enough that I think it's real though
You realize this doesn't really give me enough to be able to assess your thoughts here.
Now I just need like at least half a dozen more people to offer their votes in exchange for an obvious answer and maybe someone will have to actually care about my existence!
In post 1517, Firebagel wrote:
Yeah, I don't know Firebringer well enough to actually keep it up, but that was definitely the idea.
But what is my 'usual' playstyle? Does Oblivion seem accurate in describing it from what it's seen here?
By "usual" playstyle, I meant that you're not trying to deliberate obfuscate your posting. For the most part you're posting things you would normally post on your main
And hmm, it's right that you're lighthearteded at times and you'll generally say what's on your mind, but I don't think you're "off the cuff." I think Oblivion's thought process was typed up quickly and checks out enough that I think it's real though
You realize this doesn't really give me enough to be able to assess your thoughts here.
Thoughts on what?
Why do you think I'm asking you about your thoughts on me?
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Post #1619 (isolation #39) » Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:41 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 1604, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't know quite frankly. Maybe you're surprised by how quickly I was able to figure out who you were? I'm not sure why you would be though.
Well I'm not even sure that you have! You're being vague enough about it. I don't think it's unreasonable that you could guess who I am but I wasn't expecting anyone to do so here so your level of confidence in both that and your read is strange to me.
And I sorta feel like if you're guessing right, this conversation should give you some more doubt on your read.
In post 1604, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't know quite frankly. Maybe you're surprised by how quickly I was able to figure out who you were? I'm not sure why you would be though.
Well I'm not even sure that you have! You're being vague enough about it. I don't think it's unreasonable that you could guess who I am but I wasn't expecting anyone to do so here so your level of confidence in both that and your read is strange to me.
And I sorta feel like if you're guessing right, this conversation should give you some more doubt on your read.
I think your use of emojis at the end of sentences gives you away. Or do you remember when I read biancospino off of the Activity Overview?
In post 2006, Firebagel wrote:
Yeah I didn't glean the meaning of that post saying it was notsci either
I'm only vaguely aware of the existence of notsci though so that's kinda to be expected
it was a signal specifically to notsci.
No I mean 1937 meant nothing to me because "are those words supposed to be understandable by the masses?" is exactly where I was at that point, so replying "it's pretty clearly been notsci" was just more gibberish to me until he said it more clearly.
In post 2084, morph the cat wrote:
My main impression of Firebagel, besides liking their cheekiness, is that in this playerlist they give me LHF feels. I have an alt guess, but I haven't actually played a game with the player I'm thinking of so I'm not putting much stock in it, other than to note that if I'm right I wouldn't can that player LHF
What resulted in bagel getting above the line in your reads list?
Her interaction with Oblivion mostly. It's one example of her not making adjustments from pushback/scumreads.
I was not townreading her before the Oblivion interaction.
If this were a smaller player list, seeing players I'm not townreading jumping on her wagon once it started would be giving me a nasty case of hives. Even with the player list size, I'm not happy about specifically how that wagon has grown.
Wait, who are these people you're not townreading jumping on my wagon? Dragons? Am I confused in thinking you're townreading Dunnstral?
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Post #2136 (isolation #47) » Wed May 01, 2024 1:26 pm
Postby Firebagel »
In post 2128, morph the cat wrote:
Firebagel, I was actually confusing your wagon with Firebringer's. I'm townreading two players on him in the latest VC.
What do you think of your wagon (however it's currently configured, since it has changed).
Yeah, misguided is about how I've felt about it too. Luke is probably town. Dragons is kinda hmmmm at this point which is odd, but maybe the specifics of the game are affecting how he's playing. Can't remember if Pooky ever actually voted me or just thought about it but he's probably town. Dunnstral... well, in a vacuum I'd probably be voting there but people like you are townreading him and I'm inclined to listen to that.
Firebagel wrote:
Yeah, misguided is about how I've felt about it too. Luke is probably town. Dragons is kinda hmmmm at this point which is odd, but maybe the specifics of the game are affecting how he's playing. Can't remember if Pooky ever actually voted me or just thought about it but he's probably town. Dunnstral... well, in a vacuum I'd probably be voting there but people like you are townreading him and I'm inclined to listen to that.
You would be voting for me why?
I don't like the aggressive, wrongheaded positional feeling I'm getting from you, like you want to stir up trouble. It's not at all what I've seen from you as town.
In post 2241, Spiffeh wrote:
Shello and Goodbye who do you think are the scum on the FB wagon if you're doubting your scum read there?
i really did not like bagels vote
the timing of it was not good. i think that while bagel might be more inclined as both alignments 2 vote for firebringer because interaction, gimmick, it was just gross 2 me. skitter feels the same
- ydra
Sorry you don't have a sense of humor, but I think getting Firepup to join his own wagon was hilarious XD
In post 2241, Spiffeh wrote:
Shello and Goodbye who do you think are the scum on the FB wagon if you're doubting your scum read there?
i really did not like bagels vote
the timing of it was not good. i think that while bagel might be more inclined as both alignments 2 vote for firebringer because interaction, gimmick, it was just gross 2 me. skitter feels the same
- ydra
Sorry you don't have a sense of humor, but I think getting Firepup to join his own wagon was hilarious XD
In post 2571, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Gypyx, do you think Dann and Spiffeh would be playing around you specifically this game, given how many other more vocal people are in this list ?
I noticed you used a similar argument with Spiffeh - "Spiffeh is scum because he would say this specific thing to deliberately pocket me in particular" but I'm not sure I buy that you truly believe that.
I'm a slot that usually lives to ELo, i think my opinion is pretty important to the scumteam
i do agree that point wasn't a masterpiece though, kinda my brain running on an ego theory
Huh. As one of those kinda slots too, I find that way of thinking a little weird at this early stage of the game, especially with what seems to be a significant number of people currently willing to vote you.
I think scum instinctually tries to look less sensitive to a couple votes
Hmmmm
Don't think I really agree, at least as far as what I expect from the kind of player I think she is. Taking a 'woe is me' approach certainly seems like something that could be in her scum wheelhouse.