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In post 74, Skygazer wrote:
anyways hopefully the bulk of the withdrawal is over 2morrow and i can think again
<3 good luck
VOTE: heip agree with std, the "why is this person town" rvs question is a bit scummy and ivy thinks withdrawal might explain skygazer being scummy. a lot of us still think defending themself from an rvs wagon was +scum though
-ivy+ash+james
Tbh I don't really think there is anything to explain away, nor parse sky as defensive. What defending, 16 and 18?
Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum
VOTE: python
There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum
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Post #113 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:47 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 105, usesPython wrote:
Like he didn't even ask questions to try to figure out if there's scum motivation for voting him, he just immediately went "yeah ok". How is that not implicitly assuming the wagon is pure?
When you put it that way, it does track actually; after all, clearly nobody would ever see a wagon on themselves and just think that's a nai thing on the voters' side, right?
In post 89, heipizhu4 wrote:
I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...
Oh, oh, wait, what's this? Is this heip aknowledging they get wagoned every time they do a thing? And so there need not be a specific ai motivation for such a wagon to form? Well then.
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Post #126 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:15 pm
Postby biancospino »
In post 115, Infinity 324 wrote:
@bianco python is really trying to dig in to what they think heip's mindset is and you're just not about that.
-ash+others
Yes? Like I don't find the assumed mindset to be a convincing assumption at all
In post 119, usesPython wrote:
Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there
Lol. I'd like to hear what those "theories" of mine might be. Beside just not accepting that heip's tmi'ing which, yknow, the onus is really on you on that as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the claim
heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
therefore it's reasonable to assume heip thinks his wagon is pure
Yeah, the
therefore
here is just silly. This assumes that everyone that is shit wagoned on like page two must go detective mode. As opposed to not really caring enough to do anything more than complaining. I know it's hard to believe, but some (most?) players aren't in tryhard mode all the time
See, if you state basically "heip's doing X, and X is +scum, therefore here's a vote", you are basically establishing the narrative that X is obviously happening. Which is not obvious at all, so much not so that I wonder the motivation for insinuating as much. Can be that you really think it's obvious, but frankly that just doesn't parse for me that way at all
I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.
I never made it explicit in the Setup Information post, so I will clarify now that this was an earlier plan that I did not end up following. This game's setup was rolled using the entire 150-post deck.
That's all.
sus
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
In post 153, usesPython wrote:
Actually no nvm the timing on that would imply that monkey is sk since it was too close together to have read through the entire role list so if our angleshooting is correct they looked up parts of their role. If they were groupscum that would have probably popped up earlier
rn don't really care about sk that much
VOTE: Invis post
Like this is just a trash argument thou. Borderline only works if we think our mod royally screwed up
I'm going to boldly assume there's no way Alianna posts that announcment, linking to a specific role post in the NIM thread, in rensponse to a player with that role asking questions, and especially not such a player like HEM that would already be in the spotlight for being replaced. Like, no way she's going to modspew stuff that hard
, we're saying that if our angleshooting is correct and HEM is scum they can Rolecop or Commute and that it doesn't make sense for them to be groupscum since that would have come up earlier when Merlyn was looking up her role
Eh, ok I guess, whatever. Still don't like to try to guess thing out of what would still be a mod fuck up. I think you have the emphasis one the wrong thing thou I guess you wanted to emphasize "part of" in 153 idk
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Post #238 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:57 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 232, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
i was trying to come up with a way to stop scum from easily claiming by doing something like claiming your post number mod 5 but that only helps scum
If the idea here is forcing scum to commit to a fakeclaim out of the gate, it can be done quite trivially.
Like, everyone secretly chooses a random (200+N)-digits prime p and a random (500-N)-digits prime q and publicly posts pq. Retrieving p is unfeasible; 200 and 500 can be freely increased if we want more security.
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Post #273 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:41 pm
Postby biancospino »
In post 255, usesPython wrote:
Our experience with Snivy has him making weird reads, but his actual scumtell is when those reads like just don't go anywhere. Like in Weird Dreams we were consensus town d1, he genuinely scumread us, but like he didn't really care to get us limmed if that makes sense? Like there was no worry about us hard "deepwolfing", especially when he claimed 3-shot alignment cop but also didn't even check us n1
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Post #277 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:54 pm
Postby biancospino »
No I understand what
you
're saying, what I don't get is the point of ccs posting 257. Which I understand does actually help your point, but it does look like it was trying to be a retort to 255 (while failing to be so); but really only ccs can ponder on that I suppose
I'm still a bit dumbfounded; @ccs, is that you think python had an ulterior motive in that towncase, otherwise I struggle to see why you'd do that. Regardless of alignment really
Aureal gave me nothing to townread her but that wagon comp. I don't like it. cCS is voting with StD which is in his scumpool, HEM which is his sk and python which I feel like he distrust
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Post #314 (isolation #19) » Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:07 pm
Postby biancospino »
Are you talking about 291 or about how you talked diwn the Weird Dream tr? Cause I was about the latter in my latest post but I think you're on the former.
In which case, it's not really just the question, it's how you framed it. Felt like you was gotchaing them. But you say you weren't?
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Post #360 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:06 am
Postby biancospino »
The same would be true for any negutil role like loyal vig or whatever.
It's such a bad soft that it's either trying to be twtbw or trying to eat the yeet
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Post #422 (isolation #28) » Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:44 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 419, Doctor Drew wrote:
In the Bianco run normal game they used a traitor and there was a little bit of a blow back from some players saying that traitors shouldn't be considered normal.
Bianco, do you remember if Alianna was one of those players?
Look at me trying to outguess AC DC lol
I don't think so; and tbh the blowback was mostly on the combination of lazy+traitor.
Doesn't matter thou, by my understanding the roll is just purely random
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Post #423 (isolation #29) » Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 416, Aureal wrote:
They wouldn't even have a kill if all three were traitor would they? Maybe not even know who each other were? What are the odds of that?
In that case I think they would all be immediately endgamed. Like as soon as D1 started
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Post #594 (isolation #32) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:11 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 590, usesPython wrote:
HEMs posting makes us think they're the likeliest to flip scum here but like that's not exactly a confident read and a HEM mislim probably straight up loses us the game from thread apathy if people are gonna continue playing like this
UNOwen's the HEM counterwagon and we're not scumreading them
Snivy we're townreading.
We feel like a hero shot on STD/Skygazer's probably a good bet here
We aren't going to flair up a flashwagon now at eod and you know it.
Besides, Aureal has been cosplaying as Not_Mafia all Day. She's probably itchy to hammer rn.
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Post #769 (isolation #42) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:06 am
Postby biancospino »
Yeah, @python, no. You clearly stated you care more about groupscum that sks. I'm sure there were another quote to the same effect that I can't be arsed to fish for.
ay it now if you want
No need to wait
If you have something you need to say, go for it.
Very weird to hold it longer
You should probably just say it now, HEM. Like we can wait to end day, sure, but dont see the purpose of you posting but holding having to say something.
In post 778, biancospino wrote:
@python. It is you that said "at worst sk", in that sentence it implies that he being sk would be less bad than he being scum.
ccs is Town or SK -> At worst SK
where is the confusion? SK/groupscum relative badness doesn't come into the picture because we read them as not groupscum
And you used "at worst sk" to express the concept he was not scum, did you not
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Post #792 (isolation #48) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:42 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 785, usesPython wrote:
UNOwen is Mechanically scum -> Scum or SK -> At worst SK (This is a worst case because -EV compared to limming groupscum)
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Post #993 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:01 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 964, usesPython wrote:
Last mafia knew we were fakeclaiming so I think that probably clears bianco of being mafia since they'd want to just let us vibe to keep hem alive
Ah sadge. I was looking forward for that turbolim you promised me
I can't decide if that false inno was too egregious of a move to be wolfy, or if it is refuge in audacy. In an sk game, I propend for the former.
But we can pretend to keep fighting for tradition's sake if you'd like
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Post #1198 (isolation #56) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:01 am
Postby biancospino »
Heip went through because it was viable. The fact that it didn't happen before doesn't make it not viable then. I'm sure Flavor could pull that off if he had put his mind to it
In post 1179, Infinity 324 wrote:
if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.
One scum will no-kill for a day to force the roleblock to not be a clear, it's not something that can be relied on when making the POE
In post 1184, Infinity 324 wrote:
mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor
Multitasking Roleblocker SK and probably some other mafia roles but the site is dying for me rn
Can we please not just do a collab work on the theory of what scum should do
In post 1187, Infinity 324 wrote:
maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close
If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip
If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:
Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
biancospino - Novice Babysitter
usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker
and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE
How is 1:1:5 MeLo. Especially with protectives in the mix. It just isn't
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Post #1205 (isolation #57) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:10 am
Postby biancospino »
In post 1197, Infinity 324 wrote:
idk. like I'm sort of wondering why bianco claimed what she did as scum so maybe it's just std/flavor anyway.
Maybe I just wanted you to wonder that. We can swap glasses if you'd prefer
@python [on melo] yeah sure, you're probably right with rbs and stuff I suppose. Disregard.
(But also it may not go to 2:1:1 with protectives and/or the groupscum sheating to avoid letting the sk win no?)
Also, point is, heip didn't like scumslip or anything at eod. So presumably people would have been willing to vote there also before. Do you really believe FL is incapable to ramp up a plausible flashwagon out of thin air? Or that he would have tried at least. He can be quite charismatic
In post 2017, Cook wrote:
yeah some of the action resolution was a little rough in spots tbh
Yeah, it's pretty clear if you read the mod PT that I was way in over my head with the mech stuff. The next game I mod will be mountainous lol. I'm going to cringe at myself for advertising, but you guys can join it here if you want to!
In post 2017, Cook wrote:but NAR saves the day! that's what i liked about this, since it's all technically normal it all can technically be resolved normally
I actually wonder if things might have gone more smoothly if I'd considered other action resolution systems that might be better-geared for complex setups like this. NAR leaves quite a bit of room for mod discretion in conflicts like the one I was asked about on D4 and I'm not sure I like that. It did make the most sense to use though, since this is
Normal
Idea Mafia.
By a quick glance, it appears that Reasonable Action resolution would indeed resolve the kind of conflicts that happened here.
Thou personally I don't like it too much, it gives some unnatural action resolution imho. For instance if A,B are both combined Vigilante Roleblocker, and they target each other;
RAR has both of them be blocked;
NAR has one be blocked and die, chosen by some arbitrary tiebreak.
Now the RAR answer needs no tiebreaks, but to me it's a wrong answer, since it means that both are effectively paradoxically roleblocked by a blocked (!) RB action.
Personally I think those sorts of conflicts should be resolves at random, but that's not normal sadly