Nah, vig here.In post 1414, Doctor Drew wrote: Lol, SK shot scum?
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Like I don't know if town actually says this here.In post 1429, Infinity 324 wrote: snivy could technically be scum, maybe we're supposed to no elim to give flavor a chance to block him but i don't feel like it-
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Oh okay nvm I just realized that Python was roleblocked which maybe explains why SK didn't kill. Because I don't think SK ever kills Bianco here.-
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Combined vigilante loyal bodyguard.In post 1444, Flavor Leaf wrote: Dragon, what’s your full role?
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N1 no action, N2 Invis shot Snivy but apparently failed (I think Aureal took the shot instead)In post 1452, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Dragon - claim everything. Full claim. And all actions-
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Is there a chance the SK was babysitting me preventing me from dying?-
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@mod can a babysitter prevent a bodyguard from dying due to protecting their target?-
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Sure but I think we can figure out who's the SK by understanding whether I was roleblocked or protected and by whom on N2.In post 1460, usesPython wrote: We're not SK but the POE is tight enough that a mislim on us doesn't matter at this point
Blue should rb Drew though since that's a rb that cant be bypassed in an SK!Drew game-
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Drew would've been a rolecop SK if they were an SKIn post 1462, Flavor Leaf wrote:
how did Drew know STD had a gun, though?In post 1460, usesPython wrote: We're not SK but the POE is tight enough that a mislim on us doesn't matter at this point
Blue should rb Drew though since that's a rb that cant be bypassed in an SK!Drew game-
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They didn't claim any other gunsmith results AFAIK so that's a good case against them-
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Is there an actual claims list somewhere cause I keep forgetting everyone's claims.
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Didn't drew say "every night gunsmith"In post 1472, Flavor Leaf wrote: Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith, N2 Targeted STD and got 'has a gun'
Flavor Leaf - Odd-Night Roleblocker, blocked Snivy Night 1 (confirmed with No Result on Uno), Bianco Night 3 (stopped kill presumably)
DragonEater70 - Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard, n1 no action, n2 shot Snivy - failed, n3 shot Bianco - died
Skygazer - Shield, possibly stole a N1 kill
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camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
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Aureal - 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, presumed targeted killer on n2, blocked on n1
Infinity - 2 shot doc? but then they claimed they had another doc shot to target Snivy with. n1 Snivy, n2 python, n3 Snivy, so explanation on this necessary.
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You did not gate the pagetopIn post 1476, Alianna wrote: VC-
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TrueIn post 1484, Flavor Leaf wrote: Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter
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Or targeted a commuter as FL pointed outIn post 1487, usesPython wrote: DE either had Aureal stop the kill or got scum roleblocked I think-
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The vig isn't loyal, the body guard isIn post 1488, Flavor Leaf wrote: I actually think it's Snivy here...
I blocked them Night 1, and their claim came after it came out I blocked them.
And during my Crumb talk with them, they confirmed they werent crumbing, and I didn't see it like a guilty.
Also, Snivy is the one who submitted Loyal Checker in the thread with all the roles.
With Dragon Loyal Vigilante failing on them, I think that's lowkey a soft guilty.
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ThxIn post 1486, Alianna wrote:In post 1459, DragonEater70 wrote: @mod can a babysitter prevent a bodyguard from dying due to protecting their target?No, BG dying is a separate effect and cannot be prevented by a protective role targeting the BG.-
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I do think considering only 1 death on N1 that maybe Snivy is SK commuter.-
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But that would mean they didn't kill N2 if they commuted, right?-
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This means that the SK is not commuting. Aureal either got shot by maf or ate my or the maf's shot. And maf got shot by SK, right?Alianna wrote: humaneatingmonkey, Mafia Goon
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It is possible Snivy is bulletproof SK though. Or even bulletproof bulletproof-enabler bulletproof-finder SK.-
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I mean I could also see a town PR not outing their guilty immediately and just pushing it? IdkIn post 1515, Flavor Leaf wrote: Dragon, read the start of Day 2, up until the point I turned onto Snivy.
Their claim is just a little too perfect imo.
Only saving grace they have is that there wasnt a kill last night, but I think it was to frame Python. Either way, if we roleblocked Python successfully, we just fade Python tomorrow.-
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Yeah I do think it's possibleIn post 1517, Flavor Leaf wrote:
unfortunately, Aureal might have targeted Invisibility Night 2, drawing the kill that way, but where's the other kill? They did claim IC, so maybe thats what drew a real kill if Snivy is town.In post 733, Aureal wrote: Hey did invis even check in here, lol?
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No because Aureal doesn't redirect my actions, she roleblocks the kill and then dies. That's what mod explained.In post 1518, Flavor Leaf wrote: wait, they couldn't have done that, right?
your loyal bodyguard would have targeted aureal and took a kill from a scum team if they took your kill and another kill. hmm.-
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Like if a doctor were targeting Aureal and Aureal were targeting SK, the result is that Aureal dies.-
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I think since sk!drew is confirmed to be incapable of piercing roleblock and since SK!snivy is probably buletproof, that I agree with your plan.In post 1519, Flavor Leaf wrote: so many possibilities.
I think it's best to just go with that plan because it gets all possibilities.
it's a mech victory.
Lim snivy shoot infinity, block Drew. if I die then infinity is not clear since they could be roleblocker SK, but if I + someone else dies then both infinity and drew are clear. If infinity dies it's GG. If no death it's probably still infinity, or a weird play by sk!python that will earn them like 1 extra day to live.-
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Plan is mathematically flawed I think?
If I shoot infinity and die we still have to kill infinity because they may be roleblocker SK and have targeted me with RB+kill.
Which means that JOAT!Drew can theoritically be blocked tonight, let me die from infinity, infinity gets limmed, Python gets limmed, then drew roleblocks BlueSnakelet and shoots, endgaming FL.
I think I can't shoot tonight so if I die (or anyone else dies) it means either JOAT!Drew wasted his shot, or Drew is clear which means that we prevent the above scenario from happening.
Am I extremely paranoid? Maybe. But I'm not going to shoot tonight. If anyone hammers before FL cracks the numbers and makes sure I'm not stupid, they are scum-
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I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:
I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.-
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What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?
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I'm not sure you understood my role then. I am both a vig and a loyal bodyguard.In post 1561, usesPython wrote:
Blue is Roleblocking Drew though so Drew would have to roleblock two people in the same night to kill you without infinity dying?In post 1559, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:
I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.
So if I shoot Infinity and Infinity is town, I die instead of infinity.
I'm not worried about Drew killing me, I'm worried about Drew killing Snakelet after I, Infinity, Snivy and you are all dead.-
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Yeah idk.In post 1568, usesPython wrote:
If SK shoots at night we're still stuck in this dilemma, I think we can get the POE down to a 1v1 of two unconfirmed people so maybe just go for the most sus people by play?In post 1563, DragonEater70 wrote:
I'm not sure you understood my role then. I am both a vig and a loyal bodyguard.In post 1561, usesPython wrote:
Blue is Roleblocking Drew though so Drew would have to roleblock two people in the same night to kill you without infinity dying?In post 1559, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm saying, SK!Drew could be this:
I don't know why I called it JOAT because it's clearly much better than that. Fuck. I'm so paranoid.
So if I shoot Infinity and Infinity is town, I die instead of infinity.
I'm not worried about Drew killing me, I'm worried about Drew killing Snakelet after I, Infinity, Snivy and you are all dead.
I think we have to sort people by dayplay then.
Don't hammer for now and I'll try to come with a towniness ranking of the 4 PoE people tomorrow (and I invite FL and Bluesnek to do same).-
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So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.-
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No it ends in a 2v1. You literally counted it.In post 1586, usesPython wrote:
lim infinity (5/1), block python, conftown gets shot (4/1), lim snivy (3/1), conftown gets shot (2/1)In post 1584, DragonEater70 wrote: So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.
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Oh okIn post 1590, usesPython wrote:
Meant that the game is decided by a 1v1 since in that scenario drew and i are both unconfirmedIn post 1588, DragonEater70 wrote:
No it ends in a 2v1. You literally counted it.In post 1586, usesPython wrote:
lim infinity (5/1), block python, conftown gets shot (4/1), lim snivy (3/1), conftown gets shot (2/1)In post 1584, DragonEater70 wrote: So we kill you and block Python and then the rest of the plan should work out properly.
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As I said, I will read the 4 unconf players tomorrow and rank them by how scummy I think they are.-
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I agree with thisIn post 1654, Infinity 324 wrote: can you at least talk with dragon about it
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Okay I think I have a plan that works of we no eliminate today, I will explain it in 2-3 hours after I double check it.
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EBWOPIn post 1672, DragonEater70 wrote: Okay I think I have a plan that works if we no eliminate today, I will explain it in 2-3 hours after I double check it.
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Okay, I think I found a mechanical victory that is 100% guaranteed to work no matter if the SK is roeblocker, strongman, BP etc.
But first let me fully explain how my role works. I am a combined vigilante and loyal bodyguard, meaning my shot gors through whether I target town or scum, but if I target town I die instead of them.
Now here's my plan:
We no lim today, snake blocks Drew, Snivy checks Pytho, and I shoot infinity.
Then based on who dies we have enough clears tomorrow to auto win.
1. If nobody dies - Drew is clear (cause they can't roeblock both me and snake), and based on Snivy's results it's either a 1v1 between snivy and Python (cause infinity can't block me and snivy) or a 1v1 between snivy and infinity (if snivy got a green check).
2. If infinity dies then they were SK and it's a GG.
3. If only I die and Snivy gets a red check, it's a 1v1 between snivy and Python (since infinity couldn't both roleblock me and snivy).
4. If only I die and snivy gets a green check, then we have 3 mech clears (Python, FL, Snek) and then we no lim again and block Drew and Infinity while Snivy checks Drew. If Snivy dies then it's Drew versus Infi with 3 clears, otherwise snivy gets a result and it's a 1v1 between snivy and his guilty / last unchecked person (with his inno being mech cleared leaving 3 mech clears again)
5. If I and one of the conftowns die, then Infinity is clear and depending on Snivy's result it's either a 1v1 with Drew or with Python. This is 3 mech clears vs 2 non cleared which is a win.
6. If I and a PoE player dies then Infinity is clear and we have one less PoE player to worry about and it's so easy that I won't even mention this situation.
7. If one of FL/Snek dies and nobody else then Drew is clear cause they couldn't roleblock me, snivy gets a result and it's again a 1v1 but with 4 clears-
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But basically limming a claimed cop is really stupid because the cop solves the game.-
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Actually I'll let people ask questions and clarifications, but this is a mathematically guaranteed win.-
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