Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[furtiveglance]

Hey everyone

Seems like a lot of nonsense so far

I sleep

[furtiveglance]

Okay Naerys I'm a bit scared

Usually you refuse to go in my pocket even when I obvtown and defend you from a miselim, what prompted you to jump in my pocket when I literally did nothing?


Pedit: no furtive don't sleep yet, I need you to vouch for me as your summoner. If I get enough vouchers then I get a Day 1 Pass coupon.

I refuse to comment.

[furtiveglance]

furtive is our n0 inno

I'm going to give my biggest scumread as my N0 inno, and here's why:

Mafia know that the Cop will be trying to snipe a mafia to give as the N0 inno, because then they'll be safe from the N1 kill.

So Mafia will be killing players who give mafia as their innos.

And if I die as the real Cop on N1, the game becomes completely pure mafia vs town which is the only type of mafia I respect.

[furtiveglance]

Dragon and Gamma let this be a lesson to you two

Mess with the gob and youll be knocked in the knob

what if I want-

[furtiveglance]

I think yesirree, usesPython and GE are all town
I think Black is town

Not sure about RC

DE could be scum out of the high posters

Aristeia could be scum

Bella could be scum, 362 especially but not a strong read

FB hasnt't been as sensationalist as usual which could mean scum

[furtiveglance]

man fuck everybody

I didn't even say anything-

[furtiveglance]

Gamma getting annoyed over nothing. This is getting old, needs to chill out in mafia. Not going to alignment read it.

I think I actually have been relatively chill this game, so I dislike your approach here

i don't think my opinion here is useful for ur sorting so i don't really have anything else to say to this response.

Yeah Gamma people are allowed to scumread you.

[furtiveglance]

man fuck everybody

I didn't even say anything-

exactly , you werent defending me

I do think you're town

[furtiveglance]

I will conjure a red check on the next person to call gob scum

[furtiveglance]

Someone notice me

[furtiveglance]

Gamma getting annoyed over nothing. This is getting old, needs to chill out in mafia. Not going to alignment read it.

I think I actually have been relatively chill this game, so I dislike your approach here

i don't think my opinion here is useful for ur sorting so i don't really have anything else to say to this response.

Yeah Gamma people are allowed to scumread you.

That’s not what I said

My issues have been:
Python - was trying to be involved and got shut out and scumread, which was infuriating. But the main thing I wanted was to not be shut out.
Yess - he tried to bandwagon me in a past game and I got a similar vibe.
RCE - I didn’t like how cagey he felt. This is the biggest refutation of your claim that I’m not fine with people scumreading me, because once he clarified his stance I was cool.

Ok just making sure

[furtiveglance]

Black feels way different than usual. We should lim her

different doesn't mean scum. But i do agree black is different. We should be wary of the queen. Not interested in pushing her though. I don't need royalty trying to have me executed right now

I love this post

It's so mid. It's aggressively mid. Is it almost based for being so mid? Hmm no.

[furtiveglance]

Someone notice me

Hey cutie

Pocket successful damn it

[furtiveglance]

Someone notice me

Who are you?

I was in the Large multiball game

[furtiveglance]

I would rather not talk about it until I get more data.

ngl posts like this make me want to just fuck with you

I DIDN'T READ THE "WITH" AT FIRST AND AUDIBLY GASPED

you came to the wrong site

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Firebringer

I'll go here for a bit as well

[furtiveglance]

Just sheep furtive, he's town

Can you start scumreading me so I become a less appealing nightkill

(yes this is open coaching)

[furtiveglance]

Well disappearing into the aether isn't working for me right now so I have like 10 minutes to read stuff

I think yesirree, usesPython and GE are all town
I think Black is town

Not sure about RC

DE could be scum out of the high posters

Aristeia could be scum

Bella could be scum, 362 especially but not a strong read

FB hasnt't been as sensationalist as usual which could mean scum

Could you please elaborate on these reads?

No

They're useful just by existing

Also, there's nothing to them

[furtiveglance]

I don't want to stop the momentum on FB by moving my vote, but I'm feeling very strongly that DE is scum. It's conflicting

[furtiveglance]

I'm down for FB and Ari scum pair.

[furtiveglance]

I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Python: claims that DE only makes cringe votes

Also Python: sheeps DE

CRINGE.

We're actually sheepmaxxing furtive, FB train just wasn't doing it for us

You need to start dwarfmaxxing

[furtiveglance]

I haven't read anything since page 40

I had a fever and a headache, but I communicated with big Buddha.

Big Buddha told me that firebringer, aristeia, dragon eater, and Titus are the mafias

I was like omg thank you big Buddha!

VOTE: firebringer

this does make me laugh but I've been scumreading yessiree more lately

[furtiveglance]

I still think Bella's scum

Naerys feels different to the large multiball towngame

Aristeia has produced content and feels towny now

FB kinda hard to read but getting a lot of D1 votes so I'll move.

VOTE: Naerys

[furtiveglance]

I voted Naerys just because I've seen appetite for it

[furtiveglance]

I voted Naerys just because I've seen appetite for it

Dont hide in the mob, scum.

[furtiveglance]

DragonEater might be mafia here.

yep can get behind this

[furtiveglance]

I haven't read anything since page 40

I had a fever and a headache, but I communicated with big Buddha.

Big Buddha told me that firebringer, aristeia, dragon eater, and Titus are the mafias

I was like omg thank you big Buddha!

VOTE: firebringer

this does make me laugh but I've been scumreading yessiree more lately

I voted Naerys just because I've seen appetite for it

Vote yessiree instead.

I might, worried you're scum pushing limbait tho

[furtiveglance]

Pedit: I know you did, I'm saying that these might be reads to engage with that are not meta related? SInce you seem to lack anything not meta related to engage with.

Why RC? From memory they felt pretty solvy

Agreedo with this

[furtiveglance]

Stop being blind, furt

[furtiveglance]

Meuh seems really scummy in recent posts, anyone agree?

[furtiveglance]

Meuh seems really scummy in recent posts, anyone agree?

Meuh seems really scummy in recent posts, anyone agree?

I agree with Python, please stop scumsiding. Meuh obvtown.

Can you both explain these takes

I don't think Meuh is obvtown at all

just the stuff when she was ignoring the game

[furtiveglance]

DragonEater might be mafia here.

yep can get behind this

Stop scumsiding

no one has flipped yet.

[furtiveglance]

Dave has not said he scumreads you. If he doesn’t scum read you, why the FUCK would he scum case you?

If he iso's me and thinks I'm scum, then he should scum case me. I thought that was clear from what I'm saying. This seems like an overreact from you

That's not what you said tho?

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

These two things do seem very similar if not exactly the same

[furtiveglance]

Dave has not said he scumreads you. If he doesn’t scum read you, why the FUCK would he scum case you?

If he iso's me and thinks I'm scum, then he should scum case me. I thought that was clear from what I'm saying. This seems like an overreact from you

That's not what you said tho?

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

These two things do seem very similar if not exactly the same

Second one reads as an unconditional command to us

right but dave already announced intention to ISO

[furtiveglance]

I feel like the only thing this day has been good for is giving me TRs.

Gamma, RC, Black, THS, Aristeia I'm pretty sure are town.

I have a lot of vote candidates that I'm oscillating between.

I'm gonna vote a player who hasn't got enough scrutiny so far.

VOTE: Bellaphant

[furtiveglance]

I don't think anyone's even acknowledged my vote, or Bella's presence in the game so far

[furtiveglance]

I don't think anyone's even acknowledged my vote, or Bella's presence in the game so far

Maybe you were too furtive.

that's not what that means

[furtiveglance]

I don't really townread Bella but I don't scumread her either. She just seems busy

She's in the Court though so I don't really want to vote there

this is always the problem with townblocs that are just memes

[furtiveglance]

I don't really townread Bella but I don't scumread her either. She just seems busy

She's in the Court though so I don't really want to vote there

this is always the problem with townblocs that are just memes

Do you think Bella is scum or do you just need more from the slot? Cause if it's the latter a wagon probably isn't gonna be doing anything that you couldn't do with direct questions

The former

[furtiveglance]

How old is black really?

I read the last few pages and I basically tr everyone, which is an issue.

Dragon, Ari and rce specifically

Rule of 3

I dunno how I feel about python and gamma

setting up/encouraging tvt

I have read like 50% of this game but I haven't liked any posts from yessiree.

Can someone give me the tldr?

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

voting on a pretty popular wagon

[furtiveglance]

i haven't found a single scum case this game to be compelling to be fair

This kind of post feels scummy, i have seen scum using similiar phrases like
"i have too many TR" or "i dont have any SR"

Sus on FB

Whose your scumreads outside of me then

yessiree and Hu or python

Scumcase me then

What are your reads? What are u doing except saying something witty and disappearing?You are not doing anything, not solving, not helping to move game forward.
Sorry but you need to go.
VOTE: Hu Tao

This post does seem a bit town by Naerys

[furtiveglance]

Let's all vote Firebringer

VOTE: Firebringer

Especially you Python. Something doesn't seem right about you.

FB felt decently townie, get DE or furt to vote there if you want our vote

Not me, I agree with thee

[furtiveglance]

I should say btw Gamma Emerald was my night 0 investigation result

[furtiveglance]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

TMI?

[furtiveglance]

RCEnigma
usesPython
DragonEater70
Naerys
Theta Alpine
furtiveglance
davesaz
Bellaphant

^^^ Not voting Titus.
Python seems insistent to not vote here for ~reasons~ which I haven't read or care about. Maybe ari has a point on trying to split the wagon but I think Python is most likely town.

Everyone else if ur not voting Titus I want to hear why she is solid town to u. Give me town-reasons not just a weak sauce defense of "theres better votes" or "not that scummy" or anything that isn't your willing to call a strong to die on a hill strong on calling town.

Come on

You can not vote a wagon while still not being solid town on them.

[furtiveglance]

We're in the hammer begging phase nice

[furtiveglance]

I could hammer

(but I won't)

[furtiveglance]

They sniped the Cop

I think FB didn't die = must be scum is a pretty dumb argument, especially for D2.

Let's get a wagon on someone who didn't lead on Titus maybe

[furtiveglance]

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

[furtiveglance]

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

Mainly the weird one that was split over the three threads? But I'm sure there are others. Also, do you wanna like engage on your read on me?

Ok so 1 game. I've read you correctly in at least 1 game - Newbie 2091 when you replaced in.

Wdym engage on my read? I called you scum, gave reasons.

[furtiveglance]

yess, naerys, RCE, Theta, FB
we should vote names in this pool exclusively for a bit imo

Yes, i defended Dragon and then shot him at night bcz why not

This argument is dumb

Yeah, why not?

[furtiveglance]

Since we don't have to keep cop cover anymore, this gave bad vibes when it was posted apparently

How old is black really?

I read the last few pages and I basically tr everyone, which is an issue.

Dragon, Ari and rce specifically

Rule of 3

I dunno how I feel about python and gamma

setting up/encouraging tvt

I have read like 50% of this game but I haven't liked any posts from yessiree.

Can someone give me the tldr?

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

voting on a pretty popular wagon

Meh

I could be right, could be wrong

[furtiveglance]

RCE is a better vote than FB for sure

[furtiveglance]

@furtive, you seem to be sr me for....mentioning people? And scum reading yessiree. Also, how do you know gamma and python are t v t?

That's just my read on it

[furtiveglance]

I'm monitoring the situation dw

[furtiveglance]

Merry Christmas everyone btw

(even the mafia)

[furtiveglance]

I also like the idea of letting the apparent Cop inno decide today's elimination, but I'll still chime in with my own thoughts.

Pretty sure Firebringer and Python are town. So with Meuh that could be a good towncore.

I still think gob was fairly towny (now Enchant).

I don't think Drew calling Titus obvtown clears him, but I'm not getting major scum vibes either.

RCE selfing is weird, could be scum for sure.

Bella's reaction to my vote has dominated her posting since, I'd like more opinions on other players. I'm not sure how I feel about her anymore, maybe slightly less suspicious but not convinced she's town by any means.

I forgot all the other alive players, be less forgettable guys.

[furtiveglance]

Oh yeah, still think Gamma's town, and I still think Naerys is sus.

[furtiveglance]

@furtive, can you expand on enchant/gob and FB for me? I can usually tell town enchant but this game maybe isn't his thing, And I find FB hard to read

FB became town for me when Titus flipped, gob also held a similar view on Titus D1

[furtiveglance]

{town}
{Python, Meuh}
{Gamma}
{Drew}

{dave, Bella, Enchant, Ari, Naerys, furtive, theta}
{rce}

{scum}

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now. yessiree feels like town but in our blindspot and with a knife in his pocket. fb's probably town but in the paranoia zone. Hu Tao we can't tell if scumsiding or just scum

{fb}
{yessiree}


{hu tao}

Yessiree and Hu Tao plausible scum candidates, approval from me

[furtiveglance]

My reads are like:
Meuh, Python, Gamma, Drew
Ari, furtive, Hua Tao, Naeyrs
Bella, yessiree
Davesaz
RCE
Theta

Happy with the top line only

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Bellaphant

I like this and I think you're town.

At this point, I think my Naerys scumread might have even eclipsed my Bella one tho. There's just so much less of a presence compared to the Large Multiball.

Join me here?

VOTE: Naerys

[furtiveglance]

Seems like Celebloki had a good lim pool that game too...

[furtiveglance]

How i gonna sheep conftown if conftown doesn't post.

Literally trapped.

You can do your own thing in the meantime, and then switch your vote when Meuh votes.

[furtiveglance]

I think the longer this day is going the more TvT the fights are getting, can we just go back to like pushing RCE or something

Sure, the self-vote was weird like I said

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: RCE

[furtiveglance]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

[furtiveglance]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

As long as people keep townreading AtE it'll keep on happening

Solution: policy any AtE until it stops happening

It is tempting

[furtiveglance]

RCEnigma
usesPython
DragonEater70
Naerys
Theta Alpine
furtiveglance
davesaz
Bellaphant

^^^ Not voting Titus.
Python seems insistent to not vote here for ~reasons~ which I haven't read or care about. Maybe ari has a point on trying to split the wagon but I think Python is most likely town.

Everyone else if ur not voting Titus I want to hear why she is solid town to u. Give me town-reasons not just a weak sauce defense of "theres better votes" or "not that scummy" or anything that isn't your willing to call a strong to die on a hill strong on calling town.

Come on

You can not vote a wagon while still not being solid town on them.

I found this while scanning for RCE in furtive's ISO. Initially it didn't catch my interest, but in hindsight it's the kind of thing a partner might use to justify not voting an obvscum wagon.

Not obvscum to me...

[furtiveglance]

I think the longer this day is going the more TvT the fights are getting, can we just go back to like pushing RCE or something

Sure, the self-vote was weird like I said

VOTE: RCE

I guess this is furtive's only reason for current vote?

pretty much, never townread RCE but didn't strongly scumread before

Python told me to and I townread them

Those are the only reasons yh

[furtiveglance]

@dave

do you have other reasons to SR furtive besides him not voting Titus? I have gotten miseliminated for not voting obvscum out because I had a personal reservation so that point holds little water imo

why was Titus obvscum

This has been said twice no with no justification

[furtiveglance]

twice now*

[furtiveglance]

I noticed something and commented on it.
I'm having a rough time getting a read on furtive at all.

I wasn't always up to date with D1 shenanigans

I feel like I've got a decent handle on the game now tho

[furtiveglance]

@dave

do you have other reasons to SR furtive besides him not voting Titus? I have gotten miseliminated for not voting obvscum out because I had a personal reservation so that point holds little water imo

why was Titus obvscum

This has been said twice no with no justification

She froze, which for her is one of the two possible reactions to getting run up as scum.
When she gets run up as town she digs in and finds scum, or at least tells town what she thinks on the off chance they listen to her after.

ok

I don't think I noticed

[furtiveglance]

If you're town, sharing what you have a handle on would go a long way to help me read you.

I just meant my reads

[furtiveglance]

everyone seems to fall asleep at my posts these days. Maybe I can use this as a scum tactic in the future where i put all the townies to sleep

I didn't agree with your last 2 votes

[furtiveglance]

Hmm

Yessiree has been openly joking in every post and that gets tiring

On the other hand, I still think Naerys is different from Large Multiball towngame and I want to support Meuh's push

It's a tough one

[furtiveglance]

I'll mull it over and decide when I get back

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: yessirree

Too casual by far

[furtiveglance]

Hey guys

I got a few votes cool

Bella sheeping Enchant instead of Meuh seems very weird, she also called me 'solid town' a couple days prior in #3340.

I'm not sure why Python voted me, they've taken up similar positions to me for most of the game (especially recently).

[furtiveglance]

I'm not sure why Python voted me, they've taken up similar positions to me for most of the game (especially recently).

We're bored and voting literally anyone in our POE, this day is taking forever

Is Naerys not in your poe then

[furtiveglance]

Hmm it looks like everyone on my wagon is 1) openly apathetic and 2) openly looking for a counterwagon to the only conftown's push.

It's hard to say whose involvement is the most egregious. I think I'll go for 'Lord of Darkness' RCEnigma. Calling me passive this game is such blinding hypocrisy, it has to be scum, right?

The thing is I don't know whether it's better to vote him or to just get on Naerys in the aim of 'playing optimally'.

Meuh, could you vote RC? Or give a shortlist of players you could vote? Or just tell me if you're set on Naerys and I'll sheep it.

[furtiveglance]

I also like the idea of letting the apparent Cop inno decide today's elimination, but I'll still chime in with my own thoughts.

Pretty sure Firebringer and Python are town. So with Meuh that could be a good towncore.

I still think gob was fairly towny (now Enchant).

I don't think Drew calling Titus obvtown clears him, but I'm not getting major scum vibes either.

RCE selfing is weird, could be scum for sure.

Bella's reaction to my vote has dominated her posting since, I'd like more opinions on other players. I'm not sure how I feel about her anymore, maybe slightly less suspicious but not convinced she's town by any means.

I forgot all the other alive players, be less forgettable guys.

Furtive your last post seems like a disconnect from this philosophy in regards to meuh. What changed with meuh that the play is to sheep her wherever they vote?

I personally don't really think Naerys is scum anymore, and I want to at least make clear what I think, even if I do end up sheeping Meuh. I want to try and persuade her first and have a dialogue.

[furtiveglance]

blegh
As I said, I would like her to make/restate the case for why furtive is scum. That seems like the most productive option

VOTE: Furtive

Bella can give her own but I think Furtives scumminess boils down to:

-The hyperfixation on specific slots. Bella being the main one. But if you iso Furtive it’s just 80% calling out Bella or responding to statements from Python. It’s even more scum indicative of it happened that way in reaction to a read from Bella but I didn’t go back that far in the game for the context of when it started because I wasn’t specifically looking for it, just kinda popped out.

-personally I find furtive more as a passive scum player, not so much that way as town. I had one brief moment in day 1 I thought furtive could be town for the way they were pushing an opinion against the grain of their own townreads. I think it’s a little more difficult for scum!furtive but the majority of the game has been passive voting and reactionary reads.

-Literally no mention/interaction with anything kyouko/Titus related. Which is convenient in a way… but also pretty suspicious. I get not being around for every event that pops up in game, but not even like a quoted post in passing or any commentary on anything that had anything to do with the slot that flipped scum is a red flag I didn’t know was there till I did an iso read through.

Ok, I'll respond then.

What you're calling a hyperfixation on slots is actually the reverse, those are the players that have mentioned/interacted with me most, hence I obviously reciprocate.

Have I been that passive this game? I was on D1, but it's a massive game and it takes time to get into it. I have a group of townreads that I'm fairly happy with now, just not sure which of the poe players are scum yet. Also, I just haven't found the game super interesting yet. But it is getting more interesting.

I did mention Titus a couple times, including a post you've now quoted. I wasn't sure on Titus, and I probably wasn't active enough on D1 to pick up on whatever made her apparent 'obvscum'. I didn't strongly townread her either, but I'm not the kind of player who justs sheeps the big D1 wagon on a nullread.

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: me and Bella

Bella could be scum, 362 especially but not a strong read

I still think Bella's scum

I'm gonna vote a player who hasn't got enough scrutiny so far.
VOTE: Bellaphant

I don't think anyone's even acknowledged my vote, or Bella's presence in the game so far

How old is black really?

I read the last few pages and I basically tr everyone, which is an issue.

Dragon, Ari and rce specifically

Rule of 3

I dunno how I feel about python and gamma

setting up/encouraging tvt

I have read like 50% of this game but I haven't liked any posts from yessiree.

Can someone give me the tldr?

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

voting on a pretty popular wagon

Tbf furtive's random push on me should be looked at again: firstly, it's super common for scum to see me as lhf day one, but also furtive should know they are shit at reading me. Like, it's /such/ a weird move

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

Mainly the weird one that was split over the three threads? But I'm sure there are others. Also, do you wanna like engage on your read on me?

The relevant game in which I played badly (I'd say shit is excessive, I did have a hard time choosing between Bella and Nona)

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

Mainly the weird one that was split over the three threads? But I'm sure there are others. Also, do you wanna like engage on your read on me?

Ok so 1 game. I've read you correctly in at least 1 game - Newbie 2091 when you replaced in.

Wdym engage on my read? I called you scum, gave reasons.

I actually meant Newbie 2101 - I was town and Bella was scum. Interesting that she didn't pick up it was the wrong game tho.

@furtive, you seem to be sr me for....mentioning people? And scum reading yessiree. Also, how do you know gamma and python are t v t?

@furtive, you seem to be sr me for....mentioning people? And scum reading yessiree. Also, how do you know gamma and python are t v t?

That's just my read on it

Cool, me too. But I didn't then. I can't read abrasiveness at all. It always makes me go ????

Anything else you wanna chat about. You don't seem to wanna sort me

Bella's reaction to my vote has dominated her posting since, I'd like more opinions on other players. I'm not sure how I feel about her anymore, maybe slightly less suspicious but not convinced she's town by any means.

Theta, furtive, gamma, python are solid town for me. I never tr furtive though so maybe I am drunk

VOTE: further glance

Following my new lord and saviour

Bella sheeping Enchant instead of Meuh seems very weird, she also called me 'solid town' a couple days prior in #3340.

I'm not sure why Python voted me, they've taken up similar positions to me for most of the game (especially recently).

We're bored and voting literally anyone in our POE, this day is taking forever

This.

@furtive, I did say I was drunk though!! It's also pretty clear that I don't think nearys is scum and the wagon on her is sketch. I'm honestly not that hard to read.

With furtive specifically, he isn't approaching me in good faith.

Compare for example how you and furtive have discussed me compared to rce, Ney and yessiree.
Furtive: Bella's just scum because?? But I won't engage and sort her
You: Bella's scum because she's....talking to people?
Rce: Bella might be town but I tr her too easily, I'm gonna leave this to others
Yessiree: I disagree with Bella's takes. Oh, I could see this being a legit thought process really
Ney; Bella.doesnr have a ton of content but I can see solve motivation

Which ones look like genuine, thought out takes to you?

Also, I'm less convinced about the votes on Titus meaning as much as we thought, as people were trying to give her a break for RL. I am still convinced that votes on the counter wagons are scummy. I CBA to check right now but furtive deffo had some weird votes last day phase

Hmm it looks like everyone on my wagon is 1) openly apathetic and 2) openly looking for a counterwagon to the only conftown's push.

It's hard to say whose involvement is the most egregious. I think I'll go for 'Lord of Darkness' RCEnigma. Calling me passive this game is such blinding hypocrisy, it has to be scum, right?

The thing is I don't know whether it's better to vote him or to just get on Naerys in the aim of 'playing optimally'.

Meuh, could you vote RC? Or give a shortlist of players you could vote? Or just tell me if you're set on Naerys and I'll sheep it.

It's shocking to me that you are putting such store in the Ney case.

Rce is doing fine.

I'm not really sure what point I'm trying to get across, but I just want to show people my perspective on this. I had an early scumread on Bella and voted her, and she tried to discredit me by calling me shit at reading her, which is verifiably untrue across our games together. Also, the two games that we played together in August/September '22 were close enough together that I'm surprised she didn't remember or mention the Newbie game.

Since then my scumread on her has cooled off a bit and I've been unsure, but she's characterising that as 'refusing to engage'.

Again, this isn't meant to be a scumcase or anything. I'm just trying to display my own alignment.

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Ok well I've explained my perspective on things so far pretty much as best as I can.

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Hmm it looks like everyone on my wagon is 1) openly apathetic and 2) openly looking for a counterwagon to the only conftown's push.

It's hard to say whose involvement is the most egregious. I think I'll go for 'Lord of Darkness' RCEnigma. Calling me passive this game is such blinding hypocrisy, it has to be scum, right?

The thing is I don't know whether it's better to vote him or to just get on Naerys in the aim of 'playing optimally'.

Meuh, could you vote RC? Or give a shortlist of players you could vote? Or just tell me if you're set on Naerys and I'll sheep it.

How are you complaining about people not sheeping me and asking me to vote for someone else in the same breath

It's possible that if you choose a different vote then more people will sheep you

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Dave, I think realistically a FB wagon isn't getting through today. I've liked some of your other votes. If I'm alive tomorrow, I promise to take scum!FB into consideration. I just don't think it's the best use of time today.

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I should really look at D1 myself instead of just reading about it

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Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

The wagons yesterday were just really bad.

I didn't vote Python. Which bad wagons did I actually vote on?

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That is the most troll pick outside of u just picking to do me.
Which I would have done also

Okay yessiree

my reasoning
i think gob is in a lot of people's blindspot rn, or poeple somehow wrote him off as town and forgot all about him, so they are not as critical of the slot as they should
enchant still having no read after one and a half week in the game is a yellow flag, even if he completely ignores all of day 1 there should still be enough stuff for him to get a baseline read on the gamestate
the furtive vote has no sauce for someone of his calibre

Not true i vote furtive

yeah was there ever a reason for that or...

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Solid town (not shooting here today):

John Wayne/Enchant/Python/Gamma

Pretty town:

Firebringer/Doctor Drew

Leaning town:

Theta/Bella

furtiveglance tier (I ISOed him just now, could be in the lean town tier but because the feeling is based mostly on a single ISO skim he doesn't get to be in it):

furtiveglance, Meuh

Vaguely seem like they could be scum but haven't actively scumpinged me the way the tier below has (the tier I need to take a second look at the most rn if you have pertinent posts on them I may have skipped over or new thoughts on them they would be appreciated):

Ari/RCE/Yessiree

Yeah sure they can be scum:

Dave/Naerys

I think your 'vaguely' tier is more promising for scum candidates than the 'yeah sure' tier

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I don't remember a single thing Ari has said, FB. The only other person in that category was hu tao.

This is a good point, her presence has been unusually small.

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I'm waiting for Meuh to call a vote and save my bacon

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VOTE: RCEnigma

VOTE: RCEnigma

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Guys why are you rising up against the conftown's wagon

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Guys why are you rising up against the conftown's wagon

What are your own reads on the people being wagoned?

In a vacuum they're both sus. But the fact that one is being ignored despite attention from the conftown is concerning me.

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Guys why are you rising up against the conftown's wagon

What are your own reads on the people being wagoned?

In a vacuum they're both sus. But the fact that one is being ignored despite attention from the conftown is concerning me.

Sus you say, but what's the relative read from your point of view?

Do you see Meuh's read on RCE as a strong read?

Which is more important, following the conftown or eliminating scum?

Relative read - they're about equivalent in isolation.

Meuh seemed to have done a lot of reading and I mostly agreed with her list.

This last question is really annoyingly patronising and dismissive of my concerns. Obviously eliminating scum is the most important thing, but what's a better way to do that? Trusting the conftown player who we know has good intentions, or a wagon that crept up out of nowhere in reaction to the conftown's wagon?

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It is reactive, just look at the timings of votes.

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It is reactive, just look at the timings of votes.

who on the wagon is scum driving a cw

I don't know, which doesn't invalidate my point.

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The fact is that confirmed town status is worth a thousand times what 'locktown' status is. Locktown is fallible.

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It is reactive, just look at the timings of votes.

who on the wagon is scum driving a cw

I don't know, which doesn't invalidate my point.

who on the wagon is

not

scum driving a cw

Again, same answer.

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VOTE: furtive

Why, because I say that trusting a confirmed player is better than declaring 5-6 other players locktown and basing the game off that?

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The most damning part for furtive’s argument imo is the fact that RCE didn’t join the wagon

I didn't say every scum was on it, just that it's a less trustworthy wagon than the RC wagon.

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The most damning part for furtive’s argument imo is the fact that RCE didn’t join the wagon

I didn't say every scum was on it, just that it's a less trustworthy wagon than the RC wagon.

Okay: why do you trust ari? She’s a middle ground read for me, and I already regarded you as shady before you started on this ftr so fmpov Meuh is the only one I really trust on RCE

It seems like you still don't understand my point. We can trust that the RC wagon is town-led, because Meuh started it.

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I wouldn't mind if tonight's kill was someone voting me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@furtive: The only point I see to what you’re doing is attacking the credibility of the townblock. This is a townblock founded from Meuh’s own thoughts so in a way you’re subverting her reads by making these points.

Of course I'm attacking the credibility of the townblock, when the relevant debate is whether it's more credible than the confirmed town.

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Also: I realized in the middle of this that my impression of FG’s early posting resembles my feelings on his early posting in the Haunted Village game I played as Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, so he goes into my bottom tier now

You should log in to that account now, it might help you read me better

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I got hammered? GG I was scum.

Oh wait RC got hammered, I shouldn't have said that mb

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I got hammered? GG I was scum.

Oh wait RC got hammered, I shouldn't have said that mb

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