Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Black]

VOTE: gob

This always flips scum

Haven't read anything but I'll be back tomorrow

[Black]

I'm just gonna chill day 1, DONT eliminate me.

Interesting statement considering the rest of your posts after this have not been very chill

Gob is just town here

Sure, but you're just town

Not really liking these two posts but I do think it's pretty standard for Elements. Just bad vibes really

VOTE: Elements

Why am I red team?

Why me = fry me

Kinda want to vote Elements here but it would put them at e-1 and I'm not ready for that atm, so my vote is there in spirit

[Black]

Reading Elements is impossible

[Black]

Why were you voting me in the first place again gob?

What is the purpose of this question?

[Black]

hmm... this is a very different elements than the last two games i saw them in

in TL's GI uPick they weren't as trollishly all over the place, especially considering their previous slot owner Not_Mafia was... well... trollishly all over the place.
and Cook's Kitchen Sink they were the deepwolf for the team if I read it as a mod correctly until she got guiltied

Does the fact that they are playing differently make you doubt your scumread on them a little?

[Black]

hmm... this is a very different elements than the last two games i saw them in

in TL's GI uPick they weren't as trollishly all over the place, especially considering their previous slot owner Not_Mafia was... well... trollishly all over the place.
and Cook's Kitchen Sink they were the deepwolf for the team if I read it as a mod correctly until she got guiltied

Does the fact that they are playing differently make you doubt your scumread on them a little?

objection, your honor, the question is leading

How is it leading? You said Elements is getting scummier with every post, then you say she's playing differently in this game than she did in a scum game, and finally your conclusion is that you don't know what to make of her. Is that correct?

[Black]

We're not policy limming anyone

[Black]

VOTE: Cook

e-1

[Black]

VOTE: Cook

I didn't actually think you'd do it

I lowkey think Cook is scum so I'm sort of ok with this

If she's town I'm not really vibing with Mizuki's reaction though

[Black]

Why are you assuming Cook is town?

[Black]

So Cook is probably town

VOTE: Mizuki

[Black]

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

Cook maybe, but even that

could

have been theatre. Why would you be confirmed?

[Black]

I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner

Why do you think Mizuki is town?

[Black]

Black what exactly do you find wrong with my reaction? Kyouko and I had a brief discussion last game on why Town lost previous runs of this setup, which involved PR's getting quickhammered/limmed after claim, which was my specific objection to the (perceived) gob quickhammer.

It's kind of a vibe thing but your reaction just felt really casual

[Black]

I will take your personality into consideration. That seems like it could be a viable explanation

I also considered your tinfoil theory too. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea that Cook noticed she wasn't hammered and played it up for the town cred. I'm actually worried about that myself

Can you tell me what you don't like about Claptastik's posts?

[Black]

Also why do you think gob is basically confirmed?

[Black]

VOTE: Claptastik

[Black]

not planning on policying — that was my expression of frustration at gob

Can you answer 135

[Black]

VOTE: Claptastik

not planning on policying — that was my expression of frustration at gob

Can you answer 135

Similar thing here. You vote me, then follow up with an unrelated question to someone else. Can you explain the thought process in that sequence?

I like wagons and I couldn't really find anything townie in your ISO

[Black]

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

gob can be town though

Could you take me through some of these reads then? Pretty sure you're town here from the fake hammer, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.

Elements I seem to remember you stating was a soul read; i have no idea why you read me as scum. Black i can see because she E-1ed you after gob claimed he would hammer any E-1s but is that the only reason or is there more to it?

Gob is one read that does make sense to me (after you moved him to town), as does claptastik, but speaking of null for lack of activity, why is shaddowez in your top town considering his activity?

Is the Mizuki read due to her reaction to your fake hammer or is there more to that too? And what about Doc and Drew? I don't remember you talking with/about them and they're literally not in your ISO at all, except where you say they're town. Looking at their ISO with yours you three haven't interacted at all.

Also happy scumday

How sure are you about town!Cook? It feels like you're questioning the reads in a way that suggests you don't believe they are real

[Black]

No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo.

I don't understand this. Why couldn't Cook be scum here that realized she wasn't hammered and played it off like she was? Why is she only scum if gob is scum?

[Black]

I guess it's conceivable that Cook can be scum with you since you set up the fake E-1 but I think you didn't know it was a fake E-1. I say she's only scum if gob is scum because if her reaction is faked it was planned ahead, and the only ones who she could plan it ahead with were you and gob. Initially I thought it could only have been gob.

I disagree that the reaction had to have been planned ahead if faked

[Black]

I think I'm warming up to a kyouko vote tbh

[Black]

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

Well i guess if i am actually killed by mafia then that kinda sucks.

But basically if i die here, then that means there is 1 maf on Cook wagon, and 1 maf off the cook wagon.
Assuming Cook is Town

That is only if I die here, it's possible that there are 2 maf on Cook, but I kinda doubt it since im on it. So idk we'll see what happenz

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

I'm hopping on my vanity wagon

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Yea I just don't really feel any town vibes from you, and your posts are long and complicated. So I am good taking a chance here, especially as the odds increase.

I think i unironically may die tonight at this point. Everyone start scumreading me so maf dont kill me.

Lowkey want to fade gob simply because he keeps calling himself town

[Black]

I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atm

VOTE: D&D
I feel like these two haven't had much discourse around them

This feels like a weird progression

[Black]

oh lol. "Clearly" is a stretch but ok

[Black]

VOTE: shaddowez

Sorry I haven't been here much but I'm having a hard time sinking my teeth into this game

I do think gob is town, and I like Mizuki for now

Cook's disappearance since the whole fake hammer thing doesn't feel great

[Black]

Yeah I could be, but I'm not

[Black]

shrug

It's the truth

And no, I can't, but I hope you feel better soon

[Black]

first one

I completely disagree with this assessment

You mean to tell me you don't see townies naked vote change all the time? Because I do

[Black]

i do not see that much, no

As someone that plays more than you I can tell you that it happens all the time and it's not scum indicative

I'm gonna force myself to look over ISOs and stuff here in a little while when I get to my PC

[Black]

VOTE: kyouko

After looking over things I think this is probably the most likely to flip scum

Outside of her mech talk and associative argument with gob/cook, there isn't much substance here. I think it's really easy for scum to just rely on discussing mech and wild theories like 211 and 221. I just don't think this read makes a lot of sense. Cook and gob can be scum individually without the other being scum and the fact that kyouko honed in on this kinda seems like busy work to me. It makes me think she knows they're town

[Black]

Elements, are you always this chaotic at the beginning of a game? Does it continue?

This feels like a town post to me

[Black]

I don't think there is a lot to like about Doc and Drew so I would probably be willing to vote here too

[Black]

I think gob is probably town

Cook is likely town but I'm still worried that they faked the hammer reaction. I think her push on me for naked voting is probably more likely to come from paranoid town

[Black]

I don't think there is a lot to like about Doc and Drew so I would probably be willing to vote here too

There is plenty to like, I am charming, funny, enjoy fine whiskey's.....and oh so humble as well lol.

And Gamma's pretty cool as well

-Doc

[Black]

I like Fireball but I'm pretty basic

shrug

[Black]

Regarding shaddowez, we need information from him, but I checked his activity and he hasn't been very active on site at all so far this month, so I don't think that's gonna happen.

I've played with shaddow recently and his activity is very sporadic. I don't think it's a scumtell of his

[Black]

I've played with shaddow recently and his activity is very sporadic. I don't think it's a scumtell of his

I don't think low activity is necessarily scummy. In some circumstances it's town motivated. I pushed him because I wanted to get more from him, so that we could get a better read. I don't get why you and Doc assume that a push is necessarily for a lim. They have other purposes, like getting the target to participate, or generating wagons for later analysis.

I agree. Why are you assuming that I assumed this? I was just telling you my thoughts on his activity and how it pertains to his alignment

You seem a little self-conscious about your vote here

[Black]

I would be fine going there but can you explain why you don't want kyouko today?

[Black]

im not voting the hydra day 1 unless they slipped somehow

Why do you think the Hydra is town?

[Black]

Why do you think she's scummy?

Mainly vibes that are based around her trying to seem busy by talking about mech and theories that don't really make sense. Not a very strong read. But tbf none of my reads are atm

[Black]

VOTE: Doc and Drew

@chap yes I looked at her ISO this morning but I'll try to take another look at some point

[Black]

im not voting the hydra day 1 unless they slipped somehow

Why do you think the Hydra is town?

When did i say the hydra was town? Sometimes i dont vote someone regardless of what their alingment is.

Dont ask me questions like this im in a sour mood

I think not voting Doc and Drew strictly because they are a hybrid is silly

Do you have a read on them at all?

[Black]

How is it silly lol. Think about it like this. 2 scum alive in one slot = twice the chance to spew eachother and their partner. It’s basically like having 3 mafia but only in the negative way.

If they are scummy we fade them. Keeping scum alive D1 is not an argument that town makes

Also just less fun if we lim hydras day 1. Let em play

This is a terrible argument too. We're all here to play. Just because they are two people doesn't make any different. We fade scum regardless if they are a hydra or not

[Black]

Stay mad bro

[Black]

Clearly just a Gob/D&D team and gob is refusing to bus day 1 in a micro

This is my tinfoil theory. I have doubts because I townread gob individually but maybe I'm wrong there

[Black]

I think you're getting worried because a lot of people are coming around to Cook and gob being town.

I was one of the first people to suggest them being town

In regards to your ISO, I can't lie. I definitely skimmed it this morning. I got a hunch that it could be you and my case was admittedly weak. This may seem scummy but it really was just me being a lazy bones

Though I will say I do like this fire by kyouko and it makes me think she could be town here

[Black]

Ugh, I will fuck this up more and more, our lim really is for the best

*Doc obviously

Why do you think this?

We're not doing the hydra sorry guys. I think Mizuki is a valid option

Out of everyone, why them?

VOTE: kyouko

After looking over things I think this is probably the most likely to flip scum

Outside of her mech talk and associative argument with gob/cook, there isn't much substance here. I think it's really easy for scum to just rely on discussing mech and wild theories like 211 and 221. I just don't think this read makes a lot of sense. Cook and gob can be scum individually without the other being scum and the fact that kyouko honed in on this kinda seems like busy work to me. It makes me think she knows they're town

Definitely shady you omitted the context of 211 and 221, kinda makes me think you forgot what it was and were looking to divert gob's attention. I'm guessing you opened my ISO and picked something you could latch on to out of it, and this is the first thing you found

With context (see quotes below), you first ask me how sure I am about town!Cook in 210 after I laid out the many problems with Cook's readslist (@Cook, still want an update on that). In 211 I'm answering your question concisely, because I am sure of it after reading the fake hammer situation, with the caveat that it could have been faked if Cook and gob are partnered, but

that is very unlikely

. I think 213 just doesn't want town to find each other here, and 221 is just my response to your attempt to break those TRs down. I think you're getting worried because a lot of people are coming around to Cook and gob being town. 221 is not a wild theory, I just laid out the possible configurations and explained how I got to the conclusion in 211.

I was willing to accept you just weren't ready to buy that Cook couldn't have faked her reaction on the fly, but I think it's more than that. You're worried the possible mislims are closing around you too early since Cook is almost certainly cleared from that, and all without PR claims.

VOTE: Black

Spoiler: quotes

ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there

think i'd sort like
{ssbm_kyouko, black}
{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
{mizuki}
{shaddowez, doc and drew}

Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?

nope, it's reverse ordered

gob can be town though

Could you take me through some of these reads then? Pretty sure you're town here from the fake hammer, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.

Elements I seem to remember you stating was a soul read; i have no idea why you read me as scum. Black i can see because she E-1ed you after gob claimed he would hammer any E-1s but is that the only reason or is there more to it?

Gob is one read that does make sense to me (after you moved him to town), as does claptastik, but speaking of null for lack of activity, why is shaddowez in your top town considering his activity?

Is the Mizuki read due to her reaction to your fake hammer or is there more to that too? And what about Doc and Drew? I don't remember you talking with/about them and they're literally not in your ISO at all, except where you say they're town. Looking at their ISO with yours you three haven't interacted at all.

Also happy scumday

How sure are you about town!Cook? It feels like you're questioning the reads in a way that suggests you don't believe they are real

No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo.

I don't understand this. Why couldn't Cook be scum here that realized she wasn't hammered and played it off like she was? Why is she only scum if gob is scum?

I don't believe she realized she wasn't hammered, her reaction seems very real. It could have been pre-planned to

appear

real, and if so I'm fooled, but it would be pretty dumb of scumteam!{gob,Cook} to make this play, even if it is convincing now it falls apart later.

I guess it's conceivable that Cook can be scum with you since you set up the fake E-1 but I think you didn't know it was a fake E-1. I say she's only scum if gob is scum because if her reaction is faked it was planned ahead, and the only ones who she could plan it ahead with were you and gob. Initially I thought it could only have been gob.

If it is scum!gob, it only makes sense if he and Cook have planned this ahead of time as buddies, and even then it's incredibly risky. What happens if gob and Cook are still alive in 5p ELO as scum? Imo the paranoia really sinks in at this point and if one of them flips, the other is likely to be highly suspected and could possibly be guiltied overNight depending on the PRs. This just doesn't make sense.

If gob is scum and Cook is town, why does he fake hammer her here? It just gives her the opportunity to have a town reaction and clears her. What's the scum motivation there? Doesn't make sense, therefore if gob is scum, it's only with Cook. Cook could be scum with you here though, but again, I think Cook's reaction is real.

Didn't get back to this until today and have to catch up, but I love that my entire ISO of 1 post so far is being used for something.

it will make sense when you catch up

Why are people seeing scum in Black?

-Doc

I think she made it somewhat clear, and so did gob

Are you trying to pocket me Drew

[Black]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

[Black]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

Well I do. So, you gonna compromise or what

No

[Black]

And saying my lim was for the best was clearly a joke lol

I figured but I still wanted to know what prompted the thought

[Black]

Oh

[Black]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

Well I do. So, you gonna compromise or what

No

Why not? You seem to townread me. And frankly I think I'm more confident on my reads than you here.

Your biggest townread is pushing Doc and Drew, and I think you still townread me a little. How does that make you feel?

[Black]

I'm all about doing things as optimal as possible, and here

limming the hydra, even if they are mafia, is not optimal.

This is not a townie thought

[Black]

Well first off I don't find Doc and Drew to be particularly scummy. Haven't really read closely of them either.

I thought you didn't have a read on them?

Maybe you should read closer and if you can prove that they're townie I'll reconsider

[Black]

She's now saying 323 was a lazy case but the timing of it felt really convenient too. Just as gob is voicing the possibility of scum!Black at the top of that page, she brings me up, like a distraction I think. It's known at that point I'm the one gob wants to lim the most toDay

Gob's read on you did influence my decision to look at your ISO. I think he's town. I wanted to do something that could hook me but I wasn't willing to put in much effort. I just wasn't feeling it this morning, and it shows

I don't regret it though because I think I got a decent read from your reaction to it. If you're willing to trust me for now I think we have a decent chance fading scum with D&D

[Black]

Still waiting on shadow's catch-up too...

I'm not a fan of naked votes because they're easy to disguise, but having played with several of these people before at this point they're completely NAI.

Will catch up more shortly when back at a computer

[Black]

Kyouko seems like obv!wolf to me. Not sure why nobody else sees it

Well your case on her is that she has long posts that don't seem to go anywhere, but then you said she does this as town too

That's not a real compelling case

[Black]

Elements, are you always this chaotic at the beginning of a game? Does it continue?

This feels like a town post to me

What makes this feel townie to you?

It reads as genuine frustration that Elements is all over the place and hard to read. I have a similar reaction to her when I'm town

[Black]

I have a similar reaction to her when I'm town

O.o

I don't think this is the gotcha that you think it is. I wasn't around at the beginning of the game to experience chaotic Elements in real time

[Black]

I have a similar reaction to her when I'm town

O.o

I don't think this is the gotcha that you think it is. I wasn't around at the beginning of the game to experience chaotic Elements in real time

Are you thinking Elements is out of their chaotic phase already?

I don't think Elements is every truly out of her chaotic phase but she does tend to get better as the game goes on. I think that's been the case here

[Black]

Who is with me? Kyouko, if youre town here just take the mislim

[Black]

I'm really not satisfied with shaddow's "catch-up"

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

[Black]

I'm really not satisfied with shaddow's "catch-up"

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

Yep. I'd rather vote shaddow than D&D, but that push didn't go anywhere.

It looks like you, me, and gob are willing to vote there

Not sure about the rest

[Black]

I've played with shaddow recently and his activity is very sporadic. I don't think it's a scumtell of his

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

So is me not being around much scummy or is it now?

That's not what I'm saying at all. Your activity is sporadic but I'm used to you actually giving detailed thoughts when you show up. I'm not seeing that from you this game

[Black]

I think shaddow popping in to put D&D to e-1 right after we were discussing moving to him seems really sus

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Not ready to end the day yet. Let me think about this

[Black]

VOTE: Kyouko

Did you have another look?

[Black]

I have a busy weekend lined up but I will try to pop in when I can

[Black]

I have a slight gut feeling that maybe Gamma isn't posting much because she knows kyouko can read her well

[Black]

I have a slight gut feeling that maybe Gamma isn't posting much because she knows kyouko can read her well

The main issue is when I am feeling a bind from anything hydra games tend to take a backseat
Thiz probably doesn’t help things but booneytoobz xvi (danxe og the datk fsiry ) was an instance kf thes where while i was hydra with a50 I was strughling to get into things

-Drew (very drunk rn

This is believable. Barely legible but believable

[Black]

I'm on my second glass of wine I'm working on it

[Black]

still actively disliking black

Why tho

[Black]

Ok

[Black]

VOTE: Shaddow

I think I would still prefer D&D but I can do this

[Black]

watch this flip vt

Why would you vote there if you think it's going to flip VT?

[Black]

Intent

kyo or doc

vote kyo with me and Gob then

that would end the day

This is weird

[Black]

I don't want to do kyouko today but I'm down for a mass exodus to D&D

[Black]

shaddow/Elements has equity

[Black]

Kinda just want to fade shaddow after this little stunt by Elements?

[Black]

shaddow/Elements has equity

if shadow flips scum I get cleared in the night so eh

What do you mean?

[Black]

Elements why did you declare intent if you were just going to try and rally everyone to a different wagon right after?

[Black]

Elements why did you declare intent if you were just going to try and rally everyone to a different wagon right after?

There was 8 hours between me saying intent and me asking someone who isn't on the wagon who they'd rather be eliminated

The time doesn't really mean anything. Nothing happened in those 8 hours except Cook speculating that shaddow could be VT. It seems strange that that's all it took for you to be like "ok lets wagon someone else then"

[Black]

Yes

I would like to hear your thought process please

[Black]

why weren't you on it before?

I prefer kyo or doc

why declare intent then?

see how people react
I declare intent on most e-1 wagons I'm not on

This doesn't really track because you didn't even wait for people's reactions before you moved on

[Black]

I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

Wrong

In fact I'm thinking that he's probably just town and you're spewing him as town here

524 feels like you know shaddow will flip town and you think you can avoid getting targeted by a PR after he flips

VOTE: Elements

Someone wagon this with me

[Black]

I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

I don't think shaddow's partner says this

It feels more likely to come from scum that knows shaddow is town

[Black]

Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

Exactly what I was thinking. The speculation that shaddow flips VT, along with no vote out, is scummy af.

Why is not voting scummy

[Black]

Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

Exactly what I was thinking. The speculation that shaddow flips VT, along with no vote out, is scummy af.

Why is not voting scummy

Why is giving intent to hammer then changing your mind scummy?

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

[Black]

Why is it scummy to not want to vote out a vt?

If you are scum then you would rather vote out a PR, or at least make one claim

[Black]

Why is it scummy to not want to vote out a vt?

If you are scum then you would rather vote out a PR, or at least make one claim

If you're town you'd rather vote out scum, or make one fake claim

Yeah that's why I'm voting for you

Hop on people

[Black]

Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

Exactly what I was thinking. The speculation that shaddow flips VT, along with no vote out, is scummy af.

Why is not voting scummy

Why is giving intent to hammer then changing your mind scummy?

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

Why would elements blindly accept cook's guess?

Wdym blindly? If Elements is scum she could have looked back at shaddow's posts and decided Cook could be right

[Black]

Yeah perhaps. Then there's the argument that scum!Elements didn't think to PR hunt until Cook said something

I kinda just think Elements is the best fade here. I'm starting to feel like I can trust my ability to eventually read Gamma/Drew the more they talk

I'll consolidate if I don't get much support but I think people should join me here

@Clap do you townread Elements?

[Black]

Why are you more concerned with element's supposed reaction, than with Cook bringing it up in the first place?

I still think Cook is probably town

Why are you ignoring my question?

[Black]

South side of null

In curious what town pings you have gotten from her

[Black]

I need to be on a computer to answer that.

Ok fair. When do you think you'll be able to get to a computer? Please don't think I'm trying to rush you but I'm pretty interested in this read

[Black]

I'd have to take a look when I get to my PC myself but like I said I think I'm a little confident in my ability to read Drew and Gamma as they post more

I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

[Black]

What a snipe

[Black]

Why is not voting scummy

Because there's two days left. Claiming to have scum reads, but not voting, looks like scum not wanting to commit to a wagon that may not succeed.

Idk to me it looks like a townie that is not very conscious of their vote. Scum typically aren't worried about voting for their fake scumreads

[Black]

Because the only thing that could have changed your mind is Cook saying she thought shaddow was a VT

If you're scum you don't want a VT to claim. You'd rather run someone else up that is more likely to be a PR

What kind of people are likely to be a PR?

What kind of question is this

[Black]

Meh

VOTE: shaddow

Back to e-1

[Black]

Kinda just want to fade shaddow after this little stunt by Elements?

Why shaddowes rather than Elements if it's Elements' behavior?

Skimming, I dont have much time on the weekends, and my wife is staying home from work tomorrow so I won't have much then either

I thought there was partner equity there and the shaddow wagon had way more support

[Black]

Back - apologies for forgetting to officially post my weekend V/LA.

I have a decent amount of catching up to do, but wanted to get these thoughts out first.

The wagon completely dropping from D&D concerns me. Black's unvote to not want to end the day is legit, but as soon as she does that the wagon collapses. It feels like there was probably at least one person on that wagon that knew D&D's alignment, and are using the fact that it was no longer E-1 to push somewhere else. The others on that wagon were Elements and Clap. Elements voted somewhere completely different; however, Clap moved back to me. To me, this feels like Clap knows D&D's alignment, and rather than continue to push what should be a SR easily gave up on that wagon and voted me for an easy looking push since both gob and Black had already posted about my vote seeming scummy.

VOTE: Clap

I think you might want to claim. You're at e-1

[Black]

see now i want to flip shadow and see if one of these is buddying

I think it's safe to hammer this, unless shaddow wants to give some final reads

[Black]

how is it safe to hammer if they are claiming vt like that?

Counterpoint: how is it a good idea to try to move the vote elsewhere when we’ve already had two VT claims? I at least respect Elements going for kyouko here because that feels like genuinely attempting to flip scum. You seem more interested in causing as much trouble as possible.
-Drew

This

Running everyone up to a claim is like the worst move we can make here

[Black]

Running everyone up to a claim is like the worst move we can make here

I knew I was at E-1 and was going to hold until intent. The only reason I claimed is because you specifically suggested it.

Yeah I think you were correct to claim here. I don't like gob trying to run someone else up afterwards

[Black]

Or D&D. Or Elements

[Black]

Seems like gob cares a lot about who gets faded actually

[Black]

It's not supposed to be helpful. I don't think it says much about your alignment other than some associative stuff. I'm just calling you out for contradicting yourself

[Black]

Oh ok

So do you care who gets eliminated or not?

[Black]

I would be down to fade Mizuki today. I'm not a huge fan of the way she got on the shaddow wagon and she's doing the least out of everyone in the game imo

Still not liking D&D either

[Black]

Still down for Elements too. I'm not really interested in a Cook/gob/kyouko fade atm

[Black]

I would be down to fade Mizuki today. I'm not a huge fan of the way she got on the shaddow wagon and she's doing the least out of everyone in the game imo

Still not liking D&D either

i was thinking maybe we limmer you.

if elements/kyoko has maf 100% most likely, we should go there. If you think im town here maybe trust me and go along with my reads?

I'm down for Elements

[Black]

I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

Terrible argument trying to clear herself

Reading Elements is impossible

Dw gang
Black knows what she's doing

Cute discredit trying to undermine my push

I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

If I'm scum, shadow is town

Yep

Yikes

Sorry for throwing so hard I guess?

Bad AtE

Gob what happened to you not wanting to lim elements on d1?

i dont care who dies day1 frankly

Then why have you not voted shadow?

Trying to get gob on shaddow when your wagons were neck and neck

Who was roleblocked

PR fishing

VOTE: Elements

[Black]

Because VTs don't know if they are blocked, so you are literally asking any remaining PRs to reveal if they got blocked or not

[Black]

And none of this can come from annoyed town because....

Because you're scum

[Black]

What was the purpose of the question then?

[Black]

There is no point to ask that if you are town. Town just thinks that to themselves. Scum posts that to either a) seem oblivious or b) try to get a PR to say they were blocked

[Black]

Nice OMGUS

I said you were impossible to read on page 5. You don't get a free pass to do scummy stuff just because you play scummy sometimes

I think you're just scum here. I wanted you gone yesterday but Clap talked me out of it. Now we fade you today

[Black]

What was the purpose of the question then?

It wasn't a question, I was telling gob what my first post was about when he responded to it with a ?

Ok I see. I still think speculating about who was blocked is scummy

[Black]

You sound like you don't care about my alignment you just want me gone

This is exactly what you sound like. You townread me for the majority of the game and now you scumread me because I'm pushing you? Doesn't really track. You're scum that wants me gone because I'm a threat to you, and you want to discredit my vote by suddenly changing your read on me

[Black]

Join me jigglypuff

[Black]

Join me jigglypuff

kinda think ur maf

VOTE: elements

Weird shade and then you sheep me?

[Black]

I would be down to fade Mizuki today. I'm not a huge fan of the way she got on the shaddow wagon and she's doing the least out of everyone in the game imo

Still not liking D&D either

i was thinking maybe we limmer you.

Join me jigglypuff

kinda think ur maf

Explain this read

[Black]

You changed your mind immediately after you said it? o.O

Im dying tonight if not soon… mafia keep me alive i can make it worth your while. I will reveal my strongest tactic tomorrow.

I’ll obviously use it on you, Mafia one and Mafia two, but you can steal the technique

What was this about gob

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Second guessing this

I'm gonna look things over tomorrow and try to solidify my reads

[Black]

gtmh cook/black

I'm paranoid about Cook too actually

[Black]

I think gob and kyouko are town and I'm not really interested in going for either today

Other than that I need to look things over to figure out where I stand on everyone else

[Black]

VOTE: Doc and Drew

Gamma, do something

[Black]

VOTE: Doc and Drew

Gamma, do something

Do you want my specific input on something?
I was going to say I have doubts about how strong the rolefishing point is but Elements trying to use it to deflect makes any skepticism I can muster feel hollow.
-Drew

I want to know where you stand on every player

[Black]

I just skinned every player alive

Gross! We didn't deserve that

[Black]

I don't mind this list from Gamma. It lines up kinda close to how I'm feeling about everyone. I'm feeling a little better about Elements though so I would probably put Cook and Mizuki below her, but my reads are still pretty fluid. I'm not really confident about much this game other than gob/kyouko town

Cook/Mizuki honestly makes sense as the solve. I wouldn't mind fading either of them today

[Black]

VOTE: Cook

[Black]

What changed your read on me?
You seemed pretty adamant about all the scummy things I'd said

I think you could still be scum but I'm willing to admit I may have been a bit tunneled and crippled by confirmation bias

Your posts have been fine today. It feels like you're trying to solve and it doesn't really feel desperate like I would expect from scum

[Black]

What changed your read on me?
You seemed pretty adamant about all the scummy things I'd said

I like this question too. It reads as you trying to solve me by determining what my thought process is. I think scum is probably more likely to ignore this and sit back and think something like "ok whew Black is off my back"

[Black]

I think there's two scum in {D&D, Cook, Mizuki}

[Black]

Follow your lead? Why don't you work with me and fade Cook who is in your solve?

Also it looks like you agree with me:

I know who we limm today i think. hydra Mizuki black or cook.

[Black]

If Cook is scum then maybe it is just gob as a partner

[Black]

I don't want kyo or ele, so you can try to recruit elsewhere or you can just suck it up and vote with me on Cook or Mizuki

[Black]

I'm not, I'm telling everyone else

then dont quote me

Relax

[Black]

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I'm not, I'm telling everyone else

then dont quote me

Last time I didn't quote you people thought I was role fishing

[Black]

So both scum are V/LA for the weekend

Cool stuff

[Black]

Originally I thought the hammer reaction felt real but it's easily fakable for the town cred

[Black]

I don't want kyo or ele, so you can try to recruit elsewhere or you can just suck it up and vote with me on Cook or Mizuki

I am with your Elements and Cook reads.

But why Miz? And why not Kyo?

-Doc

Miz has lurked the most this game and the little content that she does have doesn't feel super townie or anything. I feel like she is trying to fly under the radar

Kyoko's push on me felt townie and I've just been getting townie vibes from her ever since

[Black]

I thought you disagreed with me on that based on how you were questioning my take on it when it happened

This isn't what happened at all. I was disagreeing with you that Cook could only be scum if gob was scum

[Black]

So Cook is probably town

VOTE: Mizuki

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

Cook maybe, but even that

could

have been theatre. Why would you be confirmed?

[Black]

its probably not cook here

Why not

[Black]

Ngl gob this feels eerily similar to this post:

Feel like its not Gamma here.

You said the same thing about your scum buddy Gamma after including her in the PoE right beforehand

That's exactly what you are doing with Cook here

[Black]

If Cook flips scum we need to take a serious look at gob. Calling himself and Cook conftown in 164 will look really bad in hindsight

[Black]

Yeah, looking back over gob's early ISO there are a lot of scummy posts. They could just seem scummier to me now that I'm looking through a scum!gob lens but I don't like them

Spoiler: Weird gob posts

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

You say

"if the mafia knew my capabilities"

- so if nobody knows your towngame as I suspect is the case, what is your goal in bringing this up in the first place?

Well first things first, you can know somebody's towngame from their scumgame and vice versa.

My goal was to taunt the mafia, because I think the mafia will let me live and beat them if I taunt them. They want to shut me up, so they try to beat me fair and square.

Can we no-lim here?

I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner

Why do you think Mizuki is town?

I don't really im just playing devils advocate.

Also why do you think gob is basically confirmed?

Yes I would be down to lim Mizuki for that

Feeling worse about Claptastic after their catch up

Why?

FYI I was on phone and I'm not used to posting by phone.

you seemed disconnected in a way

but i just read some of ur stuff u seem towny so ur good today

I think i unironically may die tonight at this point. Everyone start scumreading me so maf dont kill me.

I'll be honest. I am so full of energy and there is nothing to really do right now in the game for me so I have such an insane desire to do stupid stuff like claim a PR and stuff.

Can i just get a free pass on explaining myself this game? I'm town and I think my unwillingness to engage with people on their own terms should show that.

[Black]

rolling my eyes irl

Can you explain why you don't think it's Cook here

[Black]

rolling my eyes irl

Can you explain why you don't think it's Cook here

Never said it wasnt cook

You literally just said "it's probably not Cook here"

Why do you think that

[Black]

its probably not cook here

rolling my eyes irl

Can you explain why you don't think it's Cook here

Never said it wasnt cook

You literally just said "it's probably not Cook here"

Why do you think that

i mean as the lim today. I think kyo/ele makes more sense.

Nah I'm not really buying this

If Cook is scum we're autoflipping you

[Black]

Well i am not gonna let you guys flip Cook here today,

unless I change my mind on Cook.

So you

do

think she's town?

[Black]

These:

I know who we limm today i think. hydra Mizuki black or cook.

It could be cook. Im just more certain of ele/kyo

About what cook or ele/kyo?

The fact Cook is voting with me right now makes me think it could be Cook/Kyouko here

Don't really track with this:

I don't really feel one way or the other on Cook.

[Black]

There really is nothing here.

Let us focus on ele/kyo

We're not going Elements or Kyouko

We go Cook or Mizuki, or we can fade you instead

Your choice

[Black]

Anyway I can convince you otherwise? Or are you married to Cook/Miz

I could maybe compromise on D&D

[Black]

I'm back, catching up. Responding to the post above me since it's the first thing I see though, I agree I'm walled off as a result of a combination of IRL destroying my activity and the fact that I'm simply just, not having a whole lot of fun this game.

Why are you not having fun

[Black]

Good morning gob

[Black]

VOTE: Doc and Drew

[Black]

Sorry I'm here I just had a bad day. I'll respond to stuff tomorrow

Still 6 days in the deadline. We're gucci

[Black]

I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

[Black]

Liar

Jigglypuff is 1'8"

[Black]

GG everyone! Thanks for modding Alianna