Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Looker]

My name means Goddess not Terrorist.

Your name is the plural form of Ice. It's when you want more than one Ice - you get Isis

Isis who's your alt

L used to be my avatar as well

your mom

your mom is also your girlfriend

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• @Norway: Please try harder than last time

VOTE: Green Crayons That is such a lovely name

[Looker]

I'm discussing it in the context of your speculation about me trying to assess threats, which I'm perceiving as possibly fake speculation

I agree VOTE: Isis

[Looker]

why do you have pops avatar

I knew I'd seen that somewhere.

GREEN CRAYONS YOU ARE 3.14159265% OF WHY I QUEUED FOR THIS GAME U BETTER COME PLAY WITH ME

SAME!

Albert was super hyped for the game to start from what i remember in the queue.

Maybe he doesn't like playing as scum?

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These votechart graphs are faaancy

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[Looker]

Y'all are legally obligated to tell me your main if this is an alt, and if I have ever played with you. Otherwise the FBI will arrest you.

I'm not an alt, but I watch you play in the living room every day.

Everyone who isn’t voting for one of the top three on the vc is playing wrong.

How insulting

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• @humaneatingmonkey: Hopefully you're still capable of playing while being "annoyed". Also, define "better place".
  • Also, also, we won't all see things as alignment-indicative through your perspective - especially when your perspective is self-centered

VOTE: Elements

[Looker]

Wait... so i’m the mafia?

Okay. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I'm thinking looker town atm and fire town

So far on page 4 these two have offered a grand total of approximately zero actual gamesolving content. Some people are proud about their ability to scumhunt through fluff. I am not. Why are these players town?

"Gamesolving content" How pretentious. You think you're actually L, don't you? Do you feel that Albert, Alisae, and Elements are all town? Do you feel that either Cycle Men or NorwegianboyEE are scum?

Ehh. I’d prefer to base my reads around flips and wagon analyzis in a nightless. But i guess my weaker personal reads for go to scum would be fluffposter Firebringer and Lurkey Cycleman. Looker be looking kinda bad too. But he has an abhorrent towngame in my experience so anything goes.

So much effort.

Is this a serious vote?

Define "serious". If you're asking if it counted toward a lynch, it did.

Because some slots seem more like "town not giving a fuck" vs "scum intentionally not doing anything".

Which are which?

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

Anything specific? Got any questions for me? Or did you just want to come off townie with that comment?

Norwegian, who is scum?

Ehh. I’d prefer to base my reads around flips and wagon analyzis in a nightless. But i guess my weaker personal reads for go to scum would be fluffposter Firebringer and Lurkey Cycleman. Looker be looking kinda bad too. But he has an abhorrent towngame in my experience so anything goes.
A bit dissapointed Alisae hasn’t been on my ass more ever since that initial push. The fact that they pushed a scumread before becoming relatively toned down points to bad mojo if you ask me man.

I’m letting the game develop

I remember you being impossibly aggressive as scum

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• Extraction is a pretty good movie on Netflix
  
• You guys sure do like to post

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• @Green Crayons: Yes, I'm the FBI. Different country, but same thing.
  
• @Elements: Be my guest.

Forgive me if I don't banter with y'all, but...yeah.

[Looker]

Nightless is kind of unfair

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if people could let me know what their reads are on that slot and why that would be cool

Do you find it counterproductive to not want to telegraph your PoE? Whether the game is nightless or not.

Is there anyone who townreads Norwee?

Sort of

why

Do you feel ABR's response (or any of his posts) were adequate?

That exams are a bitch.

It's crazy how unpredictable they are. It's like you schedule this effort-intensive mafia game, and then a random exam comes out of nowhere.

the firebringer behind the murder

haha whos this guy

preposterous

well you better go catch it

now this is the game i wanted

i cant keep an alt worth a damn, huh

But you're "waiting for looker to do more"

I need more from Looker and ABR so I can get in these players' heads.

You're already there; there's just nothing to see.

No, I don't think I'm L.

Liar

And Looker, I want to say that you are an enigma. What is this playstyle and posting style?

I'm literally only talking to you like everyone else is doing.

Alisae was pretty damn aggressive as town in a mini i played with them recently though.

Which mini?

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• @Albert B. Rampage: Was that you way of testing the waters? It's okay; you can come out and stop pretending to be town. Your smoke signals are obvious.
  
• @pops: Stop making me your friend. I have to focus.
  
• @Elements: It's okay; we both had black faces in our avatars. (I know we all look alike )

p-edit: oooh, more votes

[Looker]

^This one.

Such interesting roles.

@Looker
I’m actually fairly open with my reads I’m not really hiding anything atm
I stopped engaging ABR because whenever I asked him why he would give me this answer that told me nothing and the first time I asked him to give me specific posts and he didn’t
Now that I think about this more, this makes me a bit more concerned but i don’t know, i might look back that one time I randed scum with him in Gay Mafia and see if I see any similarities.

It was a strategy question - Do you think publicly forecasting your PoE is a good idea? I feel it's giving scum WIFOM to use against you.

i must have been seriously stoned when i saw that post then

You're not bussing Norway are you?

did you vote cycle men as a reaction test?

no, but it acted as one because you changed your vote

scrap that
no it was not a reaction test

What are your takes on Alisae and Albert B. Rampage?

bit harsh to whoever this clemency guy is

Are you purposely not doing anything so that you don't leave any associations to your partners after you're lynched?

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• @Isis: What snark? Can you show me where?
  
• @humaneatingamonkey: Which questions have you posed that I've refused to answer?
  • Also, can you point me to the post you interpreted as abrasive?
• I think some of these people are just trying to get town brownie points by doing nothing.

p-edit: See what I mean

[Looker]

Actually, that was in poor taste

[Looker]

I got a tone of abrasiveness in this one and this one. I don't recall you missing any of my questions. I think your reactions cater more to posts and not situations, and that strikes me as... inorganic.

This strikes me as...full of shit. What situations are occurring that are not accurately reflected in people's posts?

[Looker]

So you have no situations as examples. Got it.

[Looker]

You were right the first time.

Also...

[Looker]

...I'm not pathetic enough to accuse me for you. I'm holding my tongue, because "do some legwork" is a stupid thing to say and I'm hoping most of you idiots will putter yourselves out. If you have a question, ask it, if you have an accusation, accuse. Otherwise, fuck off.

[Looker]

...I'm not pathetic enough to accuse me for you. I'm holding my tongue, because "do some legwork" is a stupid thing to say and I'm hoping most of you idiots will putter yourselves out. If you have a question, ask it, if you have an accusation, accuse. Otherwise, fuck off.

[Looker]

Oooh, twice, the site must really want me to be heard. Or to up my post count (high post count = town, right?) fuckin amateurs

[Looker]

• @humandevouringamonkey: Do
  you
  think that I'm town or are you saying that there are posts of mine where it looks like I'm begging to be townread?
  • Also, do you feel that Green Crayons and Elements just coached you away from pursuing my lynch D1?

[Looker]

• @humandevouringamonkey: Do
  you
  think that I'm town or are you saying that there are posts of mine where it looks like I'm begging to be townread?
  • Also, do you feel that Green Crayons and Elements just coached you away from pursuing my lynch D1?

Are you done with your tantrums?

Was that your attempt to frame me as a child...? You don't seem to be very good at this.

[Looker]

Also, re:abrasiveness, since I'm here...

...in the first post, I called Deimos's remark pretentious, because it was.
...in the second post, I said that you had a self-centered perspective, which you do.

Your responses and categorization of me are peculiar.

p-edit: So it's an attempt to discredit my logic? Okay, we'll see how effective that tactic is.

[Looker]

• @humandevouringamonkey: Do
  you
  think that I'm town or are you saying that there are posts of mine where it looks like I'm begging to be townread?
  • Also, do you feel that Green Crayons and Elements just coached you away from pursuing my lynch D1?

[Looker]

@votato: Don't care. Buddy whoever you want.

@monkey: I'm doing what you should've done - ask questions directly.

[Looker]

People wouldn't coach if they had daytalk, right?

• @Isis: I didn't think anybody would catch that
  • I also think I'm consistent enough to sort. Just because I can't sit around on my phone all day doesn't mean my posts have any less merit than anyone else's. (This isn't snark - I'm agreeing with you )

[Looker]

Jesus why is there so much of it.

Cycle Men was impossibly cocky to be scum.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Looker]

GTFO with this vote

Eat this vote, scumbag.

Spoiler:

bro what are you doing

Am I the bro?

im not scum and i feel like if I was scum with Clemency here, he doesn't try to align himself with Norwee when Norwee thinks that I'm cordinating votes on him. That whole interaction just doesn't make sense.

pointing out of a plan to distance?

Are you accusing Alisae of drafting a distancing plan in the main topic?

VOTE: Firebringer

This vote-hopping atmosphere is kind of tricky. How effective would a bus be in a nightless?

[Looker]

like looking at VCs a bit more, it does seem like ABR just didn’t want to bus Cycle Men.

In your opinion, how AI is a hammer?

What I am trying to get across is that Looker knows how I play as scum and should be able to identify the difference between that game and this game.

I know how you play with a single, shitty scum partner (hurling thinly-veiled insults at me in thread ), and with no daytalk.

no you're not
I want you to actually explain why that is scummy

Game aside, some players are

extremely

frustrating

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm very susceptible to ego strokes.

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• It's nearly impossible to keep up with all this

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• @Green Crayons: I like the way you think. My signature's that way for a reason. You're validating my suspicions of Amrun, skitter30, nomnomnom, and so many other players that V/LA or get "angry" conveniently. You're definitely not alone on that one.
  
• @Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

[Looker]

like looking at VCs a bit more, it does seem like ABR just didn’t want to bus Cycle Men.

In your opinion, how AI is a hammer?

What I am trying to get across is that Looker knows how I play as scum and should be able to identify the difference between that game and this game.

I know how you play with a single, shitty scum partner (hurling thinly-veiled insults at me in thread ), and with no daytalk.

no you're not
I want you to actually explain why that is scummy

Game aside, some players are

extremely

frustrating

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm very susceptible to ego strokes.

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• It's nearly impossible to keep up with all this

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• @Green Crayons: I like the way you think. My signature's that way for a reason. You're validating my suspicions of Amrun, skitter30, nomnomnom, and so many other players that V/LA or get "angry" conveniently. You're definitely not alone on that one.
  
• @Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

EBWOP: VOTE: Alisae

[Looker]

Looker
talk to me
why am I scum

I don't trust you hinging your alignment on me. That was a totally different game with different mechanics. And these shifting voting blocks are suspicious.

[Looker]

I remember you being aggressive, but that was because you said you had to do all the work because I was shit. Everybody here seems to move like a monolith.

[Looker]

@1739: but that just makes you good at reading me; how does it work the other way around

[Looker]

my fingers are not fast enough for this ali

[Looker]

this is giving me anxiety ill be back. asking for trust in mafia is a doozy lol

[Looker]

dude
I need to sleep its 8am
you have everything you need to determine that I'm not scum here. I told you everything you need to know.
I trust you to correctly identify me as town here because I know you can.

I am still triggered. I want to kill Norway because I hate the player and save you because I like you, but I admittedly let my biases get the best of me. Then with the hundreds of posts to comb through, it's a bit much. Also, aren't certain alts for certain playstyles?

[Looker]

Sorry Looker, your posts and play just made me really mad in that game.

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• @Deimos: I thought she was trying to form associatives with me.
  
• @Firebringer: I'm more comfortable with you calling me scum than dumb.

VOTE: votato
Both you and Norway did a last-minute counterwagon to Cycle and all three of us were on Alisae. Sheeping dead town seems like a convenient cover.

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Happy Mother's Day

[Looker]

I don't understand this golden group thing.

[Looker]

if we have 4 people who are 100% town then everyone else can be lynched and we win. That's the golden group.

How is it possible to get anyone 100% town in a nightless vanilla?

its also worth noting that looker is far more active elsewhere on site.

Where? Even if we're talking about ongoing games, this is my most active one due to the rate at which you guys post. Maybe other than the one I just replaced into.

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• @Isis: That's funny, but we're still not friends.
  • Also, you're not getting prettier as quickly as you were yesterday

holy fucking dogshit with the p-edits. Calm the fuck down

[Looker]

Longest twilight ever.

Is there no co- or backup mod?

[Looker]

I just got a ticket.

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I also don’t understand where Looker is in all of this.

I'm here. I've always been here.

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• I think this golden group thing is a scam
  
• @Isis: Stop.
  
• @humaneatingmonkey: You were rude and stubborn and tried to gang up on me with votato. Your "imagination" is flawed, and so is the thought that someone complying to your preferences makes them town. That's the mindset of a bully.

Intent to hammer NorwegianboyEE

[Looker]

• FB: There's no basis for trusting anyone is 100% town in this setup
  
• @monkeyeater: I reread and you were just as much a jerk the second time. You ignored my question by saying I was throwing a tantrum, which wasn't true at all. You're categorizing my tone in a way that is convenient for your narrative.

[Looker]

Are we not going off of total number of mislynches?

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• @Monkey: Yes, your proposal was full of shit. How am I supposed to respond to things that aren't in the thread/reflected in posts? Yes, hyperposters who think high post count = towniness are amateurs. And, yes, you can fuck off if the entirety of your jab at me was I wasn't doing enough "legwork".
  
• @FB: What attitude? I feel like I'm being gaslit.

[Looker]

Are you drunk?

[Looker]

I don't understand your question. I don't think you're capable of doing much in this setup.

[Looker]

It's just a bunch of talk and random bullshit.

[Looker]

No offense. (I don't want to be too abrasive to anybody.)

[Looker]

Deimos was on one scum wagon this whole game. It was Cycle Men. Everything else is him pushing town. Never once touched the Norwee wagon.

I wasn't on one scum lynch. Isis looks amazing in VCA.

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• I think human's been "running the show" the entire time - he's been on every single lynch and blasting the thread
  
• @Isis: You're not going to spook me into playing pattycake with you
  • Also, why is your voting history so perfect?

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[Looker]

I don't expect u to be.

Is this an insult or an accusation?

am i crazy that i should be obv town to everyone and think deimos is planning scenarios to break up anyone who is townread heavily or am i consipracy thinking over here.

I didn't think you were obvtown. I thought your golden group thing was a gambit and you were scum with HEM.

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• @Deimos: The game's in a poor state and I feel like HEM is controlling it. All of his wagons have gone through and I feel he has the most vocal influence. With nothing but VT's, everything is WIFOM, so, to avoid getting pushed around, I think it's best to go straight for the head.
  
• @Isis: Crazy is subjective, and there's no reason to go with consensus when you disagree
  • Also, you're a liar and a troll
• @themonkey: What is anti-town about my play?

[Looker]

Now this is a pace I can handle

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• @humaneatingmonkey: You sacrificed Norway to cement a game-winning PoE
  
• I want to believe that Isis is riding off of complacency. I don't think it would be possible for scum to effectively avoid all mislynches.

[Looker]

Green Crayons, I really need this from you and I hope you give in to my request. But can you ISO humaneatingmonkey and tell me what you think about HEM?

[Looker]

I will listen to everything that you say about this person.

[Looker]

6 is about 13% of 46, so I'm expecting ~72 quoted posts from you. Thank you in advance.

[Looker]

Isis
Human/Fire
Looker
Demios
GC

Green Crayons
Isis
Deimos
Elements
Monkey
Firebringer

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• Stop insulting my character
  
• Nobody wants any flies
  
• There's nothing wrong with my avatar

[Looker]

Because I've never seen it happen before

[Looker]

If I randomly sample 10 of your games and see that there's one scum who has successfully avoided non-LYLO lynches, would you self-hammer?

Mislynches. If you find them, I probably won't have to self-hammer.

[Looker]

i am willing to lynch looker. Odds him fliping scum are probably less than 40%.
His reads are going to fuck the town over if this game goes to like final 4 though if he is town.

He isn't doing anything to rectify bad reads either so.

I feel like this is a threat.

elements if scum is playing the game where he busses quite a lot trying to distance. I almost think he is bussing because he thinks those are votes he would be doing as town? But I actually don't think those are the people he would be pushing. I think elements would be pushing players like looker for instance.

Isis u know elements best, what i got wrong.

So Elements is scum unless he thinks I'm scum

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• Does scum bait = mislynch bait
  
• I'm not lynching Isis. Monkey never found my game where scum successfully avoids all mislynches
  • I'll vote his partner, though VOTE: Firebringer

FB isn't as bombastic as HEM, so it's easier for HEM to draw all the negative attention. FB is just more diplomatic.

[Looker]

Hem do you think I'm scum and if so have you looked at the contrast in my voting tendencies as town and scum?

Was there a reason why you picked those four games? It's not like I'm going to prove you wrong or anything, like I'm going to go through and snoop through your old shit.

I move my vote a lot as town
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81277&user_select[]=32224
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80818&user_select[]=32224
I don't as scum
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80513&user_select[]=32224
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80648&user_select[]=32224

pls don't mod kill me

ohhh lol.

VOTE: Deimos

ITS TIME!

IF YOU BELIEVE IN ME. FOLLOW! IF YOU DONT STAY OUT OF THE WAY!

If deimos is scum. He isn't scum with Elements!

I'm confused. What exactly is happening?

• Because Elements linked some games where he moved his vote, he's town? Do the quality of the reasons in his town games match up to the quality of the reasons in this one?
  • I'm asking because I know I'm not going to read them - I can barely read this one.
  • Side note: Do you still think people are scum because of low post counts?

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• HEM has proven me wrong, but I don't want to trust him. I need somebody else (other than Firebringer) to tell me that he's right.

Isis: Tell me that HEM is right and that I should kill you.

[Looker]

UNVOTE:
I am too disoriented today for mafia, sorry friends.

Were you assuming Deimos would be lynched before you got back?

And if Elements flip town, you can forever ignore my reads.

This is such a cop out thing to say and is hella scum indicative.
"Let's just get one more mislynch out the way then you can pretend I don't exist and I can hide."
Almost as if you know I'm flipping town.

VOTE: demios

So your scumteam is Deimos/HEM?

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• Whether the scumteam is FB/HEM or FB/Elements, FB is still the best move
  
• I take back what I said about "legwork". I trust people when they mention their meta because I don't want to read their old games. Like Isis. HEM you were right; I just didn't like that you called me abrasive. I'm sorry.

[Looker]

So your scumteam is Deimos/HEM?

hem and demios

There was no context to 3224. I thought your team was still Deimos/GC from 3039.

Were you assuming Deimos would be lynched before you got back?

i don't even understand where ur going with this.

if i decided deimos lynch and was hoping it would be lynched before i got back, why would i unvote?

Hope=/=assume. Who did you think would hammer in your absence?

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• I apologize for criticizing your use of the word "legwork", not my personality, you ass

[Looker]

Hope=/=assume. Who did you think would hammer in your absence?

...what?

Who did you assume would hammer Deimos while you were away? Why did you unvote?

Last test this week = over. One more lesson, and then I'm free the rest of today to focus on this game.
Sorry for my extended absence.

Spoiler:

[Looker]

im so pocketed rn

im listening to john mayer and being pocketedddd

What does this mean? Are you saying that you're irrationally siding with a player because you're listening to music? Is it even possible to be pocketed while being aware you're being pocketed?

VOTE: No Lynch

What's the point of this other than to reset the votecount?

I thought we had plurality lynch, but my statement is still true because hammering no lynch quicker reduces how much time we get total and data shows town wins more with shorter deadlines

Can you link me this data?

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• I still think the scum team is Firebringer/Monkey
  • Spoiler:

    • Whether the scumteam is FB/HEM or FB/Elements, FB is still the best move

    Green Crayons thinks that I'm ignoring his posts

[Looker]

Where did you see that town does better with shorter deadlines?

VOTE: Firebringer

[Looker]

If scum!HEM = True, then the strategy you're running is almost certainly to pocket me, sure, but I'm not gonna worry about that too much, because I've already determined scum!HEM = True is unlikely. I definitely wouldn't turn on you just for this half-baked "HEM is leading ergo HEM is scum" nonsense Looker is trying to push, I would want substantive evidence of scum-AI behaviour from you.

I didn't know you thought my push was "nonsense". Can you elaborate?

Looker is a terrible town player. He is playing terrible here. Lynching him is probably waste of everyones time.

As insulting as you're being, this looks like TMI.

u agree with Looker?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

That was an adequate use of social stigma as a defense.

I'm feeling a bit defeated. I don't think my play style is scummy. I think it is what people perceive as scummy.
VOTE: demios

Spoiler:

@Bugs if you feel demoralized because of a certain player, that player is scum.
Period.
End of discussion.

VOTE: Looker

You've gone out of your way to not vote him.

just did lol

What exactly are you doing? And what are you pretending to believe?

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• Green Crayons voting me was a blow to the stomach that I didn't see coming
  
• If Isis votes me, then I'm forsaken
  
• If you're going to kill me, at least give me one shot from my PoE: S{Firebringer | Monkey | Deimos | Green Crayons | Elements | Isis}T

[Looker]

Firebringer if you're town there's scum in your townreads at this point so
we all lose sometimes
mafia is hard ok
cut me some slack

okay then.

u forgive me if ur town because i am not going down to a possible scum u.

VOTE: Isis

Is anyone who votes you scum?

I am basically townreading everyone here except Deimos.

Then why are you not voting Demios?

how sure r u on deimos

If Deimos voted you, would you vote him?

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• I have to remember that mafia isn't personal, lol. I should take my pic out of my avatar.
  
• This is to address some of Green Crayons's concerns:
  • I asked Alisae if she was bussing Norway because I thought Norway was scum (and was voting him) and I was becoming suspicious of Alisae as well
  • I didn't vote for Cycle Men, but he irked me when he said I wasn't doing anything while he was trolling with an alt account. I was trying to attack his play and alignment at the same time. He was actually one of the reasons I was so upset with HEM regarding post count.
  • Regarding the "abrasive" thread: It's a common narrative IRL for people to call me aggressive and belligerent when I disagree with them. The fact that Green Crayons waited until now to say that he didn't think I was being abrasive initially irks me, but I'm familiar with the apathetic bystander concept, especially when you have votato egging things on. Once again, I feel I should take my picture out my avatar to not take things so personally.
  • I still do find it suspicious when multiple people shift votes at the same time without stating reasoning.
  • Whatever happened to that golden group?

[Looker]

i thought it was intentional so i responded with mush sarcasm but now I see it was just a case of a missing comma

It's unfortunate when your sarcasm doesn't translate.

well i am bored of this game.

I was with you...

i just want done with this game. Its no longer fun to open this thread and see my posts and how much confidence i used to have and now its gone.

...and then you lost me.

Firebringer, you too. I need your full double down on your reads right now.

my lynch order is

Deimos > GC > Elements > Looker > Isis > You

FB > Deimos > Monkey > Green Crayons > Elements > Isis. The exams thing was cool for a bit, but....

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• Monkey's tone perpetually confuses me. It's like I can see the waves of condescension.
  
• What is Isis even doing? It's hilarious, but does the fact that I enjoy it make it pocketing? I'm going to go into her pocket. I'll be back, I promise.
  
• I'm impressed with the relative lack of ad hominem. I wish all games could be so professional.

[Looker]

Bolded seems like AKing.

VOTE: Deimos

What is "AKing"?

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• I was intentionally dodging Monkey's question because it really depends who's on the wagon. Isis and Green Crayons are pretty much locked town to me at this point.
  • When I was referring to condescension, I was referencing his "Looker, I'll be talking to you" sentence. It's not really that big a deal.
• PoE is still {Fire | Monkey | Elements | Green Crayons/Isis}; I don't like that Fire lost his confidence on the verge of a scum lynch. I'm hedging everything on it being either him or Monkey. Nice work.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Looker]

VOTE: FB

Are you just tired of playing?

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• Wtf was that.
  • New PoE: {Monkey | Green Crayons | Isis | Elements}
• I don't know how to differentiate anybody other than VCA. The game has to go half as fast because we're only getting half the kills to analyze.
  • I don't understand the relevance of Isis's conversation regarding charisma (it sounds like the ability to bullshit), because I'm unaware of any trend where scum players meta each other

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey Nobody took HEM up on his resigning himself to a hammer.

[Looker]

Tbqh it’s looking like Looker then Isis is my lynch order.

Looker if you want to explain why it’s Isis and not you please lmk.

I’m still going to do real work tonight.

I don't think it's either. If I were you, I would go Monkey before Elements.

Also I would like to actually get it right. Seeing what Looker has to say would help.

It's been a long time since anyone's actually

wanted

my opinion.

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• I townread Elements over Isis because he wasn't a part of that weird quicklynch.
  
• Nobody asked HEM to hammer or accepted his resignation to hammerer (HEMmerer ). He kind of said it and then thrust it on us.
  
• Monkey assumes the next two lynches will be mislynches. He posits that he will make it to LYLO and that lynching him will lose said LYLO. I disagree with Monkey.

[Looker]

Isis can you like, whatever you alignment is, can you teach me how to be a better town? I don't want to be another Looker on this site. What should I be doing right now?

You're upset I hammered you in Butterfly Mafia, aren't you? I admit, it was a tad...abrasive.

Looker just feels right. I don’t know what a player like looker would look like as scum, tbh, and that’s making me wonder if that means I just don’t see the scum. Like, I ~*~know~*~ that his style of play is lynch bait, but I still am feeling like I need to clear it off the table just so we can check that box to make sure scum isn’t here.

I don't think I understand what you're saying to me. Are you saying that I should be policy lynched because of playstyle?

if either of you two are scum then idk what the world has come to

Lol, this is an exaggeration.

i think scum have made the mistake of voting me but not lynching me
so looker/hem must be scum

I feel this is a very problematic/narrow-minded approach. It's OMGUS and complacency. What if you're in a game and scum don't vote you?

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• We have to get rid of Isis.

[Looker]

That's my contribution for the day. A quiet unease.

People are rioting in my neighborhood.

[Looker]

I don't understand why we're just sitting around doing nothing for so long.

Who is the "we"? Green Crayons and Isis?

I might get to this game tomorrow. Just not really in a headspace for it.

I’d lynch HME last. Elements second to last. Isis is probably scum because this is so hard.

PoE {Isis | Looker | Elements | HME} or {Looker | Isis | Elements | HME}?

Look at Cycle men’s ISO. LOOK AT IT.
If that slot is town then i can safely say gg. We lost.

This post has lots of dispositiveness to it. Norwee had negative attention from just Alisae (and I think FB?) when Norwee shaded Cyclemen and voted him in his previous threadvisit. After that threadvisit, HEM, GC, and *cough* Isis and FB if that wasn't the case already express negative sentiments towards the slot. Norwee goes on to make this post, which appears to be antispew meant to bolster Cycle men's status. That means it's more likely that a greater number of the people on the wagon were all town, because Norwee is more likely to perceive he is in the process of dying if it's an all-town wagon rather than if there are scum on the wagon that would be overly willing to unvote. This means it's more like it's just Looker and we're agonizing over it or that it's Elements and townreading Elli is errant

How did you determine that this was antispew?

[Looker]

UNVOTE:

Spoiler:

[Looker]

VOTE: isis

let's throw a curve ball

What do you mean by "curve ball"?

[Looker]

In the meanwhile,

Happy birthday GC!

Thanks!

Sorry I missed it. Happy birthday.

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• I don't see the benefit of NL'ing two days in row

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
My PoE hasn't changed

[Looker]

Looker why do you think Green Crayons is the scummiest player after monkey?

I don't want to spill anything until GC comes back and contributes, but, honestly I'm pretty sure this ends with HEM. I've already deprioritized this game and everything.

VOTE: Indium, Iodine, and Iridium

This was very clever. I smiled and chuckled.

[Looker]

Well maybe I don't want to lynch Isis.

I'm really quite bad at closing games out.

You're giving me heart palpitations.

If I trust past-GC, I want Looker --> Isis --> Elements --> HEM.

HEM > GC > Elements

Spoiler:

whos scum in your wagon?

elements and norwee probably

im cool voting human, elements, fire, or possibly isis this day

Dropped the known scum Norwegian. Maybe he wasn't as spicy as he wanted to be as the day was ending.

If he wanted to bus, Norwegian wouldn't have been a bad option:

Votecount 1.35

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (4)	Deimos27 (588), humaneatingmonkey (902), Isis (904), Elements (999)
Elements (3)	Cycle Men (1002), Alisae (1021), NorwegianboyEE (1101)
Firebringer (2)	votato (548), Albert B. Rampage (813)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Looker (456), Green Crayons (1024)
votato (1)	Firebringer (840)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

So if he got scared about naming names, doesn't look good for Looker.

What are you asserting?

Spoiler:

One thing I want to say about the D1 final VC:

Votecount 1.41

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (6)	Deimos27 (588), humaneatingmonkey (902), Isis (904), Firebringer (1234), Green Crayons (1240), Elements (1245)
Elements (5)	Cycle Men (1002), Alisae (1021), NorwegianboyEE (1101), votato (1187), Albert B. Rampage (1251)
NorwegianboyEE (1)	Looker (456)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

Looker looks bad. Not because he isn't on the cycle wagon. But because vote is from a 400s post on a scum.

Why? Because:

Wait... so i’m the mafia?

Okay. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Looks like an early vote on a buddy, and then just sort of left it there as the thread zoomed on and he had trouble wading through the gallons of posts. Never felt comfortable to move the vote because didn't have a good enough grasp to find a plausibly good vote against a town.

It only looks like that because Alisae jumped off last minute. And my feelings for Norway were half scumhunting, half ad hominem.

at least flip her then move on to looker or elements

No.

Nah I want to lynch Looker atm. brb let me read D2.

VOTE: Isis

Don't be such a baby.

What changed

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm sorry but this suggests a Looker-scum to me.

I feel you're cherrypicking suggestions for survivalism. I don't see any other reason why you would deadsheep Firebringer over Alisae.

Spoiler: looker shifts momentum away from Norwegian-cw by voting Ali for bad/no reasons

like looking at VCs a bit more, it does seem like ABR just didn’t want to bus Cycle Men.

In your opinion, how AI is a hammer?

What I am trying to get across is that Looker knows how I play as scum and should be able to identify the difference between that game and this game.

I know how you play with a single, shitty scum partner (hurling thinly-veiled insults at me in thread ), and with no daytalk.

no you're not
I want you to actually explain why that is scummy

Game aside, some players are

extremely

frustrating

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm very susceptible to ego strokes.

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• It's nearly impossible to keep up with all this

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• @Green Crayons: I like the way you think. My signature's that way for a reason. You're validating my suspicions of Amrun, skitter30, nomnomnom, and so many other players that V/LA or get "angry" conveniently. You're definitely not alone on that one.
  
• @Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

EBWOP: VOTE: Alisae

Votecount 3.6

Target	Wagon
Alisae (4)	humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), NorwegianboyEE (1583), Looker (1732)
NorwegianboyEE (3)	Elements (1717), Alisae (1720), Firebringer (1721)
Not Voting (3)	Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-15 23:33:59).

I was trying to avoid chainlynching. If Ali flipped scum, her strongest association would be with me. And I wasn't voting anyone before that, so I don't see how it was a shift.

I could go for norwee, but im not lynching HEM.

my all star end game group is still:
u/hem/gc/isis

gotta pour two out for our homies.

i lynched 3/4 of the golden group. i am the golden group killer.

Please. Stop. Bragging.

ughh, why is this game so hard
VOTE: hem

Because you're making it hard by waffling. This ends with HEM.


VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[Looker]

Why would I vote HEM.

Unless you vote Elements, you're going to have to.

How about this.

HME. If I were to vote you, and you’re town, who should I vote between Looker and Elements?

I request the same deal/arrangement. Vote HEM.

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• Echo Firebringer's lack of confidence to get town points.

Good luck, Elements

[Looker]

I tried, guys, lol, I'm sorry.

[Looker]

Dead thread was actually fun to read this time around. I'm accustomed to it being 2 pages max.

[Looker]

Is there a Hactoc?

[Looker]

because alisae's not a good player

Cycle Men was lynched Day 1. They were a Mafia Goon.

[Looker]

Nightless is kind of unfair

Spoiler: