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Post Post #3725 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:31 pm

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If Looker is town you're probably going to be a 3p Decider so you can't afford to turn your brain off about GC and HEM.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #3726 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:46 pm

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The thing with HEM's play is he keeps interacting with people in acting in such a way as though it seems he can't possibly have an agenda. Like he's too wandering. But his play both holistically and in nuances screams a loud pervasive desire to not die, to not be killed. That's the Survivor tell, and maybe nightless brings it out in people somehow or other because this characterization reminds me heavily of both my nightless scumgames. Green Crayons never gives off a hidden nor forthcoming desire to survive. And when I say holistically that includes the lynches pursued, with HEM shelter in Ali and Isis tunnels and making promises to get lynched for being wrong that he's confident will be townread.
GC is on record with viewing a link between Deimos and Firebringer but HEM's quicklynching has less meat and butter to it that's independent of speeding up the end of a game he needs to end before he dies.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #3727 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:49 pm

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like we're probably about to lynch someone else who doesn't try that hard to not die in Looker, but he didn't have all that much ability to. GC has always had a middle of the road position with regard to surviving this game and has always squandered it taking really little responsibility for busses, not egostroking his supporters or shading his detractors.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #3728 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:50 pm

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In post 3726, Isis wrote:But his play both holistically and in nuances screams a loud pervasive desire to not die, to not be killed.
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Post Post #3729 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:51 pm

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In post 3726, Isis wrote:And when I say holistically that includes the lynches pursued, with HEM shelter in Ali and Isis tunnels and making promises to get lynched for being wrong that he's confident will be townread.
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Post Post #3730 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:52 pm

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I want to read some GC games later to see whether it's idiosyncratic that GC acts like this. He could be kind of like MariaR or whatever.
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Post Post #3731 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:53 pm

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hem if you want to stop this readshift you would be admitting to a strong desire not to die and convincing me it's not that AI for you, not one word shading me
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Post Post #3732 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:54 pm

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I mean I guess you don't care I guess you're going to kill me but I think Elements might deadsheep me at least a lil
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Post Post #3733 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:55 pm

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In post 3731, Isis wrote:you would be admitting to a strong desire not to die and convincing me it's not that AI for you
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Post Post #3734 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:55 pm

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Elements you like me right remember that time we played fusion, I didn't mislynch you, it was all the great times.
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Post Post #3735 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:59 pm

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In post 3734, Isis wrote:Elements you like me right remember that time we played fusion, I didn't mislynch you, it was all the great times.
Isis wrote:That's the Survivor tell, and maybe nightless brings it out in people somehow or other because this characterization reminds me heavily of both my nightless scumgames.
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Post Post #3736 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:00 pm

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I don't want to lead the town anymore and say that we should definitely lynch Isis, but we should definitely lynch Isis.
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Post Post #3737 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:05 pm

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Yes, use your deathtunnel to occlude your alignment again rather than be required to engage with the game in a risky way the way GC, Elements, and even Looker have done
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Post Post #3738 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:06 pm

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If you are town you should not play like this
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Post Post #3739 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:08 pm

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For someone not leading the town "anymore", you have done little I remember to be a source cause for any scum getting lynched this game. GC's VCA was damning to votato OR norwee, and it looked bad that votato was picked first but now knowing that his partner was someone as poor as Deimos it doesn't seem like he could afford even the OR
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Post Post #3740 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:11 pm

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I've moved to El>GC>HEM>Looker after the victory lap clinching things but I'm trying hard not to get married to it before I have time to read this weekend/next week but I'm not doing a great job with that
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Post Post #3741 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:16 pm

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In post 3724, Isis wrote:Elements do you really think I'm scum or are you just townreading people who are saying they think I'm scum?
I think it's Looker and we'll never have to lynch you.
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Post Post #3742 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:17 pm

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but you're comments on hem are very convincing
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Post Post #3743 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:17 pm

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VOTE: hem
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Post Post #3744 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:21 pm

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i think scum have made the mistake of voting me but not lynching me
so looker/hem must be scum
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Post Post #3745 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:32 pm

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In post 3744, Elements wrote:i think scum have made the mistake of voting me but not lynching me
as in we lynch everyone who voted me and we win
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Post Post #3746 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:40 pm

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In post 3741, Elements wrote:
In post 3724, Isis wrote:Elements do you really think I'm scum or are you just townreading people who are saying they think I'm scum?
I think it's Looker and we'll never have to lynch you.
It could very well be one of those games.

I like your vote but I want a long day phase
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Post Post #3747 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2020 2:55 pm

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In post 3700, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Isis can you like, whatever you alignment is, can you teach me how to be a better town? I don't want to be another Looker on this site. What should I be doing right now?
You're upset I hammered you in Butterfly Mafia, aren't you? I admit, it was a tad...abrasive.
In post 3716, Green Crayons wrote:Looker just feels right. I don’t know what a player like looker would look like as scum, tbh, and that’s making me wonder if that means I just don’t see the scum. Like, I ~*~know~*~ that his style of play is lynch bait, but I still am feeling like I need to clear it off the table just so we can check that box to make sure scum isn’t here.
I don't think I understand what you're saying to me. Are you saying that I should be policy lynched because of playstyle?
In post 3723, Elements wrote:if either of you two are scum then idk what the world has come to
Lol, this is an exaggeration.
In post 3744, Elements wrote:i think scum have made the mistake of voting me but not lynching me
so looker/hem must be scum
I feel this is a very problematic/narrow-minded approach. It's OMGUS and complacency. What if you're in a game and scum don't vote you?

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Post Post #3748 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2020 5:35 am

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I'm a bit unsettled by the significant whiplash in Elements, Isis, and Looker in the past two pages.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
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Post Post #3749 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2020 5:35 am

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That's my contribution for the day. A quiet unease.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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