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Hi everyone! I've been following this game and all I know is that murdercat is town.
Going to reread a bit and give my reads soon, since I might have a lot of null reads I'll give possible town and scum narratives for those players so people can tell where my head is at, at least.-
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Town could joke about being scum in order to get reactions, basically. If you're scumreading her for that, she can then see if your read looks real or fabricated.In post 932, Battle Mage wrote:I'll never understand why any town player jokes about being scum.
Also, wrt Murder's case: This may just be a playstyle clash. I play similarly to murder in that I hate arguing back and forth with my scumreads, it's usually unproductive and players may just not read it or dismiss it as TvT. Engaging my townreads tends to be a more effective strategy since they are the players I am trying to convince to get an elim.-
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As I said, I play similarly to him and I can almost see inside his head with how he's trying to solve this game. As one example, the antsiness of being 3 days before deadline and not having much activity is very relatable. Scum would generally lurk and let the deadline get closer, reducing information and letting a bad compromise elim go through.In post 935, Battle Mage wrote:
that's a revelation! Please tell me how you know murdercat is town? and if so, can you please talk some sense into him?In post 933, Infinity 324 wrote:Hi everyone! I've been following this game and all I know is that murdercat is town.
Going to reread a bit and give my reads soon, since I might have a lot of null reads I'll give possible town and scum narratives for those players so people can tell where my head is at, at least.-
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Speaking of going back and forth without it being useful...In post 945, Battle Mage wrote: Let me level with you mate...
Murdercat-town gains plenty from talking to me, is seeing what I say and how I engage, and being able to evaluate my reactions and potentially even re-evaluate his own case. You're right it would be unusual for me to say you have an amazing case on me (although I would, and indeed have, acknowledge points of merit). But I think you've slightly missed the point here - Murdercat-town should care more about getting a correct elim today, and be open to the possibility of being wrong. I'm certain that if you're town, you have reasonable doubt about my alignment. Instead, your description of your objective sounds a lot more like eliminating me at all costs. You say you care about my opinion on Taylor - do you have particular questions on it?
I don't know what to say, I could give you multiple examples, but I think addressing a case point-by-point is mostly NAI no matter how you do it, and I would even go so far as to say continuing an engagement like that with a scumread is bad play as town.-
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I want to see you read into it. If I had a lot of strong reads going into the game, couldn't scum!me just use those?In post 943, Noraa wrote:
This is such a weird entrance. I could read into it but there's too many possibilities. No matter what, I dont like the entrance.In post 933, Infinity 324 wrote:Hi everyone! I've been following this game and all I know is that murdercat is town.
Going to reread a bit and give my reads soon, since I might have a lot of null reads I'll give possible town and scum narratives for those players so people can tell where my head is at, at least.-
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Spoiler: good xofelf posts
Either way, I get the sense that xofelf isn't very confident in this game, but these posts give me the sense that they're trying to do their best to contribute and find scum. Scum!xofelf could be faking these in order to coast and point to these as game-solving efforts, but I get the sense that un-confident scum wouldn't be able to fake these as convincingly. Lean town.Last edited by brassherald on Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:39 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Generally, I feel like players are easier to read when they are not responding to accusations, because then town can feel more free to scumhunt. Certainly depends on the player though. Normally, I try to ask other players, especially townreads, when I am not sure on a read, because getting a second opinion can help distinguish paranoia from useful skepticism. This is why I found it towny that murder asked Isis and noraa about his case on you, because it's probably what I would do in the same position.In post 964, Battle Mage wrote: You don't think this discussion is helpful? I disagree. And there's lots to be learnt by how people address a case on them. It's forum mafia - what we say and how we say it is all important data right? I guess we disagree philosophically - I'd be interested to see how you form balanced and robust reads if you don't pay attention to people once you have scumread them.-
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I thought it would be easier since they don't have a ton of posts.
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Ok, then try to talk through a read with me or give me a strong townread and the reasoning behind in. I'm seeing mainly pushing and defensiveness from your slot, but I want stuff that scum couldn't fake.In post 966, Noraa wrote:
no. there's not a point bc there's too many possibilities tho I will have you down as trying to buddy murder for now.In post 959, Infinity 324 wrote:I want to see you read into it.-
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Those are harder to articulate an opinion on (also I'm narwhal's slot)In post 980, Battle Mage wrote:
egotisi, dunnstral and 'narwhal' all have fewer postsIn post 978, Infinity 324 wrote:I thought it would be easier since they don't have a ton of posts.
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@BM Here, murder is clearly asking for second opinions, or faking doing so. I don't see an attempt to push a narrative, I see an attempt to start a conversation.
In post 824, MURDERCAT wrote:Isis come talk to me about this? Are we seeing the same things?In post 843, MURDERCAT wrote:Xof, what do you make of BM?In post 845, MURDERCAT wrote:Is there anyone who is reading town on BM right now? If so, please explainIn post 855, MURDERCAT wrote:Noraa look at BM for me, what do you see?-
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Idk, your main two reads you've given this game are scumreads based primarily on how people voted you, and I haven't seen much attempt to sort other slots. Not that I couldn't see your play coming from town, but if you're town I think you're just too focused on the suspicion on you and would love to see thoughts directed elsewhere.In post 985, Noraa wrote:
scum!me can fake anything imo :3In post 981, Infinity 324 wrote:but I want stuff that scum couldn't fake.
haven't gotten over my excitement phase after my first scum win a few days ago. It got an extension since I was really upset about my first two games onsite being two scum games of which I lost both.
A solid TR eh? I dont think I have any to be frank. I am not confident in any people being town rn and tho its worrisome, I'm not sure what to do about it so I'm leaving it like that for now.-
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@BM This feels like willingness to be dissuaded (though tbf only after you called him out). I may be missing something, but the only place I can see where someone disagreed about the case and murder responded back was here:In post 960, MURDERCAT wrote:@BM Ok well if you are actually town give me something good to read and you'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone, I'll town read you and push tayl0r with you.
which clearly feels like an attempt to continue the engagement.In post 858, MURDERCAT wrote:
Say more? Respond to what I posted?In post 857, Noraa wrote:BM behaves exactly like this as town yet not like this as scum.-
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What changed on your egotisi read?In post 916, Battle Mage wrote:
I really like that townblock. Suggest you swap me and Isis, and I can actually roll with that.In post 851, PlusJOYED wrote: I'm setting up a townblock with me, exorcist, egotisi and isis. I trust their judgment.-
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I don't think this exchange is getting anywhere. Murder is my most confident read, so I'm interested in convincing others of it (this could be useful for forming a townbloc, among other things). If you're town, my reasoning clearly just isn't getting through.In post 997, Battle Mage wrote:
Yeah, you're missing at least 1 other. I'll let you dig it out as you're on a roll!In post 993, Infinity 324 wrote:
@BM This feels like willingness to be dissuaded (though tbf only after you called him out). I may be missing something, but the only place I can see where someone disagreed about the case and murder responded back was here:In post 960, MURDERCAT wrote:@BM Ok well if you are actually town give me something good to read and you'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone, I'll town read you and push tayl0r with you.
which clearly feels like an attempt to continue the engagement.In post 858, MURDERCAT wrote:
Say more? Respond to what I posted?In post 857, Noraa wrote:BM behaves exactly like this as town yet not like this as scum.
And to be clear I think the Noraa example above was an attempt to continue the engagementwith the purpose of persuading Noraa of BM-scum. not to be persuaded I am town.
I'm a little baffled overall by your defence of Murdercat here. It feels slightly disproportionate given he has no votes on him, and on the face of it, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. You entered the game with a clear predisposition that Murdercat was frustrated town impatient to get an elim agreed before deadline. It seems obvious to me that, regardless of his alignment, he was very keen to make me that elim. You are now arguing that he was actually very open minded and wouldnt have been at all phased by moving to a different target entirely. Which I don't think resonates from his posts, or really stacks up with your initial read on him.-
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The keyword there is primarily, since plus started scumreading you that has seemed to be the main reasoning. Can you give details on any other reads (my slot, murdercat, exorcists, etc.)?In post 1003, Noraa wrote:
I sussed plus first so if anything he is OMGUSing me. I explained my progression a few posts ago but was too lazy to go find it. I'll quote it if u can't find it.In post 990, Infinity 324 wrote:based primarily on how people voted you-
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Sure. I can't find the second example of murder following up re: his case, if you could quote it that'd be helpful.In post 1010, Battle Mage wrote:
With respect, you might not believe it's helpful to you, but it is helpful to me, so I'd be grateful if you could respond. Simply - if I challenge you on something, you saying "I don't think we're getting anywhere here" and refusing to respond is not constructive.In post 1006, Infinity 324 wrote:
I don't think this exchange is getting anywhere. Murder is my most confident read, so I'm interested in convincing others of it (this could be useful for forming a townbloc, among other things). If you're town, my reasoning clearly just isn't getting through.In post 997, Battle Mage wrote:
Yeah, you're missing at least 1 other. I'll let you dig it out as you're on a roll!In post 993, Infinity 324 wrote:
@BM This feels like willingness to be dissuaded (though tbf only after you called him out). I may be missing something, but the only place I can see where someone disagreed about the case and murder responded back was here:In post 960, MURDERCAT wrote:@BM Ok well if you are actually town give me something good to read and you'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone, I'll town read you and push tayl0r with you.
which clearly feels like an attempt to continue the engagement.In post 858, MURDERCAT wrote:
Say more? Respond to what I posted?In post 857, Noraa wrote:BM behaves exactly like this as town yet not like this as scum.
And to be clear I think the Noraa example above was an attempt to continue the engagementwith the purpose of persuading Noraa of BM-scum. not to be persuaded I am town.
I'm a little baffled overall by your defence of Murdercat here. It feels slightly disproportionate given he has no votes on him, and on the face of it, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. You entered the game with a clear predisposition that Murdercat was frustrated town impatient to get an elim agreed before deadline. It seems obvious to me that, regardless of his alignment, he was very keen to make me that elim. You are now arguing that he was actually very open minded and wouldnt have been at all phased by moving to a different target entirely. Which I don't think resonates from his posts, or really stacks up with your initial read on him.
To be clear, if you can respond well, I am more likely to townread you. If you respond poorly, I am more likely to scumread you. This is how I play the game - you may do it differently, but please indulge me.
I don't think murder was keen on just getting an elim. To me, it seemed like he was keen on finding agoodelim. That specifically is why it reads town to me. Scum with 3 days left may be able to get away with "let's just elim someone" and vote the biggest or second-biggest wagon. Murder didn't do that, and instead tried to engage with people to get a wagon he was more satisfied in. Sure, maybe he hoped people would just agree with him and the wagon on you would go through, however his posts read to me as if he was willing to be convinced otherwise (this is the part I seem to have difficulty explaining).
She hasn't responded to my initial point though? If we're going back and forth and we aren't getting anywhere, I might change my mind, but how I see it is that I made a request of noraa and she hasn't given me anything.In post 1011, Battle Mage wrote:
what if noraa turns round and says "I don't think this is getting us anywhere" and stops talking to you? Will you just accept that and townread her?In post 1009, Infinity 324 wrote:
The keyword there is primarily, since plus started scumreading you that has seemed to be the main reasoning. Can you give details on any other reads (my slot, murdercat, exorcists, etc.)?In post 1003, Noraa wrote:
I sussed plus first so if anything he is OMGUSing me. I explained my progression a few posts ago but was too lazy to go find it. I'll quote it if u can't find it.In post 990, Infinity 324 wrote:based primarily on how people voted you-
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Fair enough. I guess most of the reason he seemed willing to change his mind to me is that he posted pretty much what I would post if I was willing to change my mind.In post 1024, Battle Mage wrote: I can buy the defence of "Murder didn't go with the existing wagons and went to the effort of starting something from scratch, which seems high effort for scum". I'm not sure how strong that is - seems perfectly possible Murder-scum could think he might be able to cruise on suspicion of me for a while, or just didn't want to be on a mis-elim, or was particularly keen to eliminate me while I wasn't able to defend myself. And yes I think we disagree on the fact of whether he appeared willing to be persuaded otherwise or not. In reality, we can see now he HAS been persuaded otherwise, although I think that's in some part due to me engaging with him constructively, which was something you and him both thought would be pointless.
Not asking noraa to debate me though, I'm asking her to talk reads with me.i'm making a point that your philosophy is that town shouldn't bother debating with people, and should only try and buddy up and work with people they believe they can trust, rather than scumhunting per se. So Noraa could have taken the approach you tried with me, which is saying "nah I don't wanna respond to you, I'd rather talk to people who might townread me/might be easily persuadable".-
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This tone reads towny to me.In post 1035, Battle Mage wrote:
oh go on, i'll let you pick the elim tomorrow!In post 1031, Noraa wrote:
mmmm I dont wannaIn post 1027, Battle Mage wrote:nah we're friends, but i still want you to vote with me. big trust, let's do it!-
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Don't think taylor has done much AI this game, but I'll have to ISO her.In post 1048, Battle Mage wrote:Infinity: im more interested now in your taylor read, given my theory you could be scum together.
although, on noraa, do you agree with my take that her initially refusing to jump to the taylor counterwagon is town-indicative as scum-noraa should have jumped at the chance to save herself?
I agree that it's somewhat tone-indicative, though I'm wondering if she might be waiting to try to find a better reason/counterwagon she can justify more easily. I think she may be worried about being called out for sheeping.-
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In post 1055, Noraa wrote:
uhhhhh so someone tells me to sheep their read and I reject and this theory pops up out of nowhere?In post 1054, Battle Mage wrote:I agree that it's somewhat tone-indicative, though I'm wondering if she might be waiting to try to find a better reason/counterwagon she can justify more easily. I think she may be worried about being called out for sheeping.
I remember there used to be a good sized wagon on Random eh?
I'll go back there as a compromise wagon.
I do not like the Taylor wagon aorn.
VOTE: Infinity
I really like this take. Other people always say its similar to my town or my scum games. However, I personally think all my games r really different so I love this take. I think I will agree with Exorcists on the TR on u.In post 1053, Battle Mage wrote:yeah ive gone back and had a look at a couple of your old games. It's tricky because this feels quite different to either your scum or towngames.
Hi gamma, there has been a lot going on in the game so far lol. Can’t really talk about why, but I’m not going to use your past meta to read you this game.In post 1056, Jewel Barons wrote:I’ll get back to reading in a second but I’m curious about the fact Infinity hasn’t interacted with or addressed me yet seeing as he’s got a very good rate of reading me
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I just wanted details on any read besides plus and isis, and you didn’t give any....In post 1062, Noraa wrote:
I sure did respondIn post 1061, Infinity 324 wrote:after not responding to my request to engage.-
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Yeah you're right, sorryIn post 1067, Noraa wrote:I answered and if you have a problem with the answer and my direct solving of other slots afterwards, you can state those but you can't say I didn't engage you.-
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Did you have thoughts on the me/BM/nora interactions on the last few games, or not? I thought there was quite a bit productive that came from it.In post 1076, Cobra Kai wrote:The odds of my rereading and sift through pages of half ass meta explanation of why we should eliminate x person who is elim bait so we can’t elim them because they always get elimmed goes down and down with each new page-
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Alice, talk to me about nora. I had her at a scumlean but I found this ^ again and I'm having doubts. Do you think scum!nora can fake sorting, just doesn't want to?In post 294, Noraa wrote:I dont particularly think xof is scum and I dont like how fast u jumped off me. I feel a townie would jump on me bc of suspicions that I am scum and investigate and dig around a bit even if only baiting reactions to see what's up. I dont think townies back off this easily and in such a ~pockety~ way. This is something I find strange and I think Isis will be at a scum lean for now bc of that.
PEdit: No cobra, just wanted your thoughts. I kinda felt like dismissing all of it as useless may have been a cop out. I did have the same concerns wrt nora and BM.-
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This reads town to me, as I've experienced similar things.In post 371, Tayl0r Swift wrote:these two posts are unbelievably rude considering we dont know each other at all. and that might be coloring my xofelf read. on the other hand, it seems like a really cheap reason to scumread someone and dismiss them without actually having to do any work to sort them, so this also genuinely pings me as scum.
Besides that, I still see barely anything AI in taylor's ISO. I can see some of the things in BM's case (ex. fluff and scumclaiming as a joke being slightly more likely to come from scum) but I just don't think it's enough for a real read. The buddying and stuff reads just like friendly interaction and I find that kind of stuff useful as town because you need to work with people to win. It also just makes the game more enjoyable. I'm mainly just seeing a player who is busy and frustrated about BM tunneling her and not contributing a ton to the game as a result.-
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Rereading my interactions with Battle Mage lead me to lean town on him. I don't think it's impossible that his interaction with me comes from a scum mindset, but he does seem to be genuinely trying to sort me rather than pushing an agenda. I think it's towny that he wanted to continue the engagement instead of backing off and going "oh look infinity doesn't want to engage must be scum". I also like that he started pushing me on other aspects instead of continuing to harp on the point about the murder read. (I know, I know, you're going to tell me I said the interaction wouldn't get anywhere. Guess I'm jaded for all the pointless TvT arguments I've seen that derail the thread.)-
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Wow, explain your plus, isis, and gamma reads?In post 1107, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm willing to roll with something like a {me, plus, isis, infinity, gamma} town block right now I think-
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Egotisi: null leaning scum
In these early quote walls, there are a lot of questions which aren't always followed up on. If they are, they don't lead to a real read. They also often point out things that other people already brought up (e.g. the PR spec thing and murder's unvote potentially being scummy). The scumread on jewel, besides being very hedgy, feels like a way to say "look I have my own opinions" while voting someone who isn't the most active and won't be defended by many people.
Spoiler: egotisi quote walls
This I find very interesting, because egotisi is kinda doing the same thing in this game. Sort of bold to point it out as scum, but I think they probably just aren't aware of it.In post 657, egotisi wrote:posts like 10 and 18 were giving me a distinct gut-scummy vibe of "i am posting things to appear active and/or helpful while not actually doing anything" (which was a mistake i made in a scumgame semi-recently which stuck to me)
All that said, some of this could be a result of not being in the thread, so I'd like to see current thoughts and engage with them at some point if possible.-
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Nora, was this supposed to be a compromise vote?
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ego is still catching up, and I literally just said their vote is scummy too. Jewel Barons' vote on plus wasn't a vanity vote until you moved off it. Only yours and ego's are vanity.In post 1119, Noraa wrote:ofc you "don't understand" what purpose my vote has when its literally on you. But if you are hinting that you are a vanity wagon, I don't understand why you are zoning in on me since there are 6 wagons rn and u can't possibility think only mine is a vanity?-
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??? you didn't seem to have a strong scumread on my slot before I replaced in, and neither did egoIn post 1121, Noraa wrote:you call me out for having SRs that are OMGUSy yet I don't see anything different from you.-
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Why do you think it’s different for hydras?In post 1131, MURDERCAT wrote:How well I can remember you doing things is a good predictor of scum IMO. Like infinity said, if there were a lot of posts that seemed reasonable at the time but I can't remember anything you actually did maybe they were just be busy posts and not real scum hunting. But I'm not sure if that works as well for a hydra.
Why does taking posts out of context mean it’s scummy here? ISOing someone, by its nature, removes the posts from context.In post 1132, egotisi wrote:
I think Murdercat is taking posts out of thread context. His answer to *liking* BMs post and then scumreading him is intriguing. Posts in ISO context read very different, and BM's progression on Taylor feels a lot more natural than he cased. I think his post came from a mindset of scumreading first, and then casing second.In post 900, Battle Mage wrote:Do you think it's likely that Murdercat ISO'd me, and decided he'd quite like to have someone to target to look like he was scumhunting and just tried to construe everything I did as being scummy, when in fact it wasn't?
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I’m wondering why you think it’s unlikely that town!murder built his case off of an ISO, not remembering the original context the posts were written in, and took the posts out of context by accident. Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s a possibility you don’t seem to consider.In post 1134, egotisi wrote:In post 1133, Infinity 324 wrote:Why does taking posts out of context mean it’s scummy here? ISOing someone, by its nature, removes the posts from context.
Because it changes the meaning? Scum wants to twist words and make someone easier to attack. Murder took posts that were pages apart and cased them as an overall progression on someone.
Like, he called BM shading us inconsistent with the Taylor read, when it had nothing to do with it.
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Cause those are the people I wasn't sure onIn post 1141, Jewel Barons wrote:
why are you challenging every single one except yourself and the person who posted that townblock?In post 1110, Infinity 324 wrote:
Wow, explain your plus, isis, and gamma reads?In post 1107, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm willing to roll with something like a {me, plus, isis, infinity, gamma} town block right now I think
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My argument here is that taking something out of context isn't scummy, at most it's bad play as town.In post 1142, egotisi wrote: ???? Like yeah town can do scummy things. That can be an excuse for literally anything scummy. Do you know Murder's meta?
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Really? There wasn't a vote count for a few pages, but I'm pretty sure nora was the first vote on me.In post 1143, Jewel Barons wrote:
except I'm pretty sure the wagon on your slot was pretty sizeable around the time Noraa voted. Why are you pushing alternative facts, especially ones that seek to make others look worse?In post 1122, Infinity 324 wrote:
ego is still catching up, and I literally just said their vote is scummy too. Jewel Barons' vote on plus wasn't a vanity vote until you moved off it. Only yours and ego's are vanity.In post 1119, Noraa wrote:ofc you "don't understand" what purpose my vote has when its literally on you. But if you are hinting that you are a vanity wagon, I don't understand why you are zoning in on me since there are 6 wagons rn and u can't possibility think only mine is a vanity?
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There was a wagon on my slot on page 7-8. I don't feel that that's relevant, I felt like nora was just finding a place to park her vote (and potentially argue later that she wasn't trying to save her skin)In post 1146, Jewel Barons wrote:
This feels a little mixed up, just because you were the first out of anyone to suspect X player doesn't mean it's not OMGUS if they suspected you first.In post 1121, Noraa wrote:you call me out for having SRs that are OMGUSy yet I don't see anything different from you.
In fact I am the first to SR the people I SRed so if anything they are the OMGUSy ones not me
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PEdit: even if Noraa was the first vote, a wagon did form on your slot, so calling it a vanity wagon now is vastly underselling how much the wagon on you mattered, I feel.-
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[quote="In post 1158, Isis"
Have there been some aha moments that are really, really close to something you did as town once?[/quote]
There were a couple moments like this. The antiness of being pretty close to deadline and the game being not very active is a big one that I experience a lot as town. Another one is trying to get people to engage over the BM, it very much felt like murder felt like he had something big and was hoping other people would see the same things he did. I believe there were other moments like this too, if you want I can try to find them. Notably, these are not things I would (or maybe even could) fake as scum, other people don't really read them as town and faking an emotion like that is pretty difficult imo. I feel that since I experienced similar things, if murder was scum and trying to fake these emotions they'd feel off to me since I'm so familiar with them and the timing or execution of them would clash with my experience. I hope that makes sense.-
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I think that if you're town they're very emotionally driven and you should really take a second look at that.In post 1174, Noraa wrote:However having slightly emotionally driven reads =/= these reads are worthless.
My read on you is null leaning scum.
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In what way?In post 1196, MURDERCAT wrote:1174 is the most high effort post I've ever seen from Noraa and it makes me super nervous-
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Still don't really get why you want to do this lol
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I think it’s probably more likely to come from town, since scum would probably be more careful about checking with their hydra partner to make sure they didn’t mess up. Not super AI though imo.In post 1247, MURDERCAT wrote:Spoiler: egoposts
Just gunna point some stuff out as I see it. These posts directly contradict, but are from different heads. I'm not really sure what to make of that, is that just something that happens? Makes me feel like they were not discussing in PT, but I'm not sure why scum wouldn't be aligned in who they are pushing? But maybe it's not that important for scum to be aligned with a push early? I don't have a strong AI read on this but I am curious if anyone makes anything from it.-
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I think she really believes what she’s saying regardless of alignment, don’t think it’sIn post 1255, MURDERCAT wrote:
I really don't think Tayl0r is this bold as scum? I know BM is sure, but like, can you actually imagine typing this out and pressing submit as scum?In post 72, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
i mean it could if the town PRs fuck up and are dumb. but they just have to feign ignorance and not be like "well im the cop so in all the scenarios i consider, therell be a cop"... like if it outs town PRs then itll out scum too, who are also TMI. itll take 2 seconds to go through and look at the possible options for town with 8 points, and then to look at which ones dont make sense given the scum roles.In post 71, xofelf wrote:Why are you so sure it won't?toobold but ehh
1112 is what I got on egotisi, I’m seeing quite a bit of parroting and questions that don’t really lead anywhere and in general an effort to look useful from egotisi. Note that Alice expressed suspicion of egotisi earlier so that vote makes sense, you have a point about the isis and jewel votes though.-
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The difference is that dunn isn’t try to look like he’s doing stuff.In post 1259, MURDERCAT wrote:Yeah I mean I guess I see that POV and I did feel like the read on me re the BM stuff kinda came out of nowhere. But I don't know, is there anything in ego's iso that doesn't apply to Dunn? I think Dunn's ego vote was literally the first thing he said about ego all game.-
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Why is this towny? It doesn't weaken the case on you much to say just xofelf's reasons are NAIIn post 1272, Noraa wrote:Nice. I think ur town. Pointing out zofelfs reasons are NAI is good. This quick convo has me pretty convinced you are town. This reasoning makes me think of you in On this Day.-
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