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VOTE: MURDERCAT!
<3"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't really see how setup spec can help but I'm also not super stressed about people getting rolefished by it. I think it will just generally be more gamewinning to dayplay well.
This just kinda seems like a setup where the scum got to have lots of fun picking what roles they want to use but for everyone else it's just a normal queue game.
I played a Marvel flavored version of this game off-site and rolled cop and fucked up my investigation result crumbs to gamethrow, but mostly it just seemed like a Normal game to me (in a normal queue game crumbing too unclearly as cop is similarly bad!)."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I like exorcists so far, I think they have an eagerness to progress through low information phase and past that's plus town."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh I thought that was a bugspray hydra, is bugs not anywhere in this game?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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you're right tho"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Is this arbitrary, or are you a believer in voting people who already have some votes in RVS?In post 35, PlusJOYED wrote:so maf have rolecop, roleblocker and non consecutive strongman. thats 5 so we must have 8
I don't wanna speculate on prs this early but I have a suspicion of 1 existing due to the mafia picking a strongman
ahh people beat me to it
ill toss this here for now
VOTE: murdercat"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Tayl0r made posts like that in our Noir game, at least one time, she said "should someone tell me what I should be thinking" after I had just explained that I thought only scum would say thatIn post 44, MURDERCAT wrote:Tayl0r I remember you saying that it took you a while to get going as scum in our last game together. Based on that, I read your early memeing as townie as, I feel like you would be a little more hesitant to post something like 11 as scum even though it's an obvious joke. (I certainly feel that way as scum). What do you think of that read?
That was later in the game so if you think she would only do that midgame and not during the beginning you could go with that I guess. I think it's probably within her range to do it as both alignments though."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I've failed to read Norwee correctly before, but I have played an awful lot of opens where he rolled scum.
Generally I think he's easiest to figure out by determining how performative he's being. The time he tricked me was when he made a few wallposts that felt a little Hollywood but seemed so solid and logicky I wanted to townread them anyway."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Acting, dramatic, scripted.In post 108, xofelf wrote:Hollywood?Spoiler:"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Is andres the first person you've heard this from? Early in my career I didn't believe in discussing townreads, not because of manipulation, but because I don't want them to get NKed. But nowadays I have a view of mafia that everyone should just mouth off absolutely everything they're thinking because everyone can get reads that way andy in the end, it matters the most.In post 147, PlusJOYED wrote:
this game im gonna try something different and not be open about all of my townreads since andres said that was a bad idea my last game, and I think not sharing townreads makes you less prone to being manipulated. I will share any of my SR's thoughIn post 146, egotisi wrote:my two cents on ~setup specc~, anything going further than the obvious "scum picked [role] so town probably has [the role that is a counterplay to]" is risking slips which are imo more likely to happen to PRs than to scum so let's not
which taylor posts up until here gave you an impression that she's "trying"? or like, what do you mean by trying here?In post 55, Battle Mage wrote:Taylor-town does not give impression of trying. Taylor appears to be trying here. Ergo, Taylor scum.
i found this a bit surprising, at this point i was feeling like i had like one and a half weak townread (exorcists and maaaybe murdercat) with a whole buncha people either being null or south of null (RanCan for stuff, BM with the questionable push, and xof/norwee feeling active-lurky)In post 116, PlusJOYED wrote:This is odd but I actually have 0 clue on who scum could be, and I think taylor vs BM was NAI. I have some weak townreads though.
can you share your townreads?
?In post 128, Exorcists wrote:also i got the same feeling on the tone from xofelf!
VOTE: Random Canadian
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i have 4 decent townleans and 1 weak townlean
I'm hoping for some sort of how-the-sausage-is-made stuff from you whether or not it's townreads because I couldn't read you in Menagerie and I don't actually think I had enough to work with."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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this "RC" nicknaming convention is gonna be a hella struggle"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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exorcists is bleeding green at this point so I'll +1 them, VOTE: RandomCanadian"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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yeah I believe in hiding townreads occasionally, just not as a default.
I don't know how I feel about the idea of lying about townreads just to mess with the nightkill strategy, but I guess there's some never say never I just haven't delved into before. I fakeclaimed my role as town for the first time this year or last year."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The other RC is Canadian, though, MURDERCAT
The nickname should be "Random"
The other RC is not random."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Are you calling him scummy?In post 193, Noraa wrote:you say u dont want to spectate then continue to spectate"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm town, but I don't think Noraa is. That answer from her doesn't bode well."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Quotewalling a bunch of things you don't have alignment conclusions from comes from scum more than town. I thought she might have thought it was scummy and was hoping to argue with her about it but it just seems narraty."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You're that positive Swift is scum? I have to share Plus's incredulity."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Battle Mage are you the kind of player who exaggerates confidence to make a point, is just always confident, or usually isn't and somehow Taylor is just the scummiest thing ever?
It does seem disproportionate but it reminds me of Noir a lot and it didn't mean you were scum there"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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VOTE: Noraa"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I usually tend to believe in keeping my vote on the things that seem scummiest instead of voting in clumps for pressure.
Noraa keeps treating Battle Mage like she knows he's town and seems like she's trying hard to look protown."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I appreciate the transparency"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Noraa since you didn't omgus me does that mean we aren't friends?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Because it's only okay to bully friends that will know you're teasing.
If you bully random strangers it's mean.
That's why Kanna bullies me."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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So that means we're already friends and you don't have to bully me?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Can I find scum and put you in charge of the ass whooping part? I don't like that part, I could just pick people for you though"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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VOTE: xofelf
Let's pick on xof, Plus makes some sense.
I want to get them deeper into this game too"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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279 and 280 read town to me. I think I've already mentioned to you I don't need my vote to feel people out, I can do it with my voice. My vote is more a symbol of who seems scummiest.
Seeing how you would respond is part of that.
"I think Isis will be at a scum lean" sounds like justifying a scumread rather than explaining one, speaking of, why aren't you voting me?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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oh no
an S_S acolyte
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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S_S is this person onsite who never votes until the end of the day and I always argue with him
I think it's more challenging for me to get the right read when I have a philosophy difference with somebody
I'll get there eventually
I won't count it against you so I'm back at undecided with you"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Sheep whatever exorcists is doing"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Do you want to explain why? Because usually knowing other people are town based only on reading your own role PM is a Bad Thing.In post 320, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think it's bad for Noraa to be assuming BM is town
279 has townslip equity from the incorrect probability being more blaring if she's participating in a scum PT that doesn't include 50% of the town. She could still post it as either alignment but that skews town.In post 316, egotisi wrote:hmm
isis, why are 279/280 towny to you? like they read like null-to-maaaaybe-nullscum posts to me
280's particular brand of remorse for a hypothetical Isis vote seems like part of her headspace is thinking about it as gamethrowing. It seems harder for it to come about if she knows we're not aligned.
I'm not surprised by disagreement about 280 since it does have some performative to it.
Spoiler:
This seems town indicative from xof, and the kind of potential response that made me think a vote on them was likely to be more useful than elsewhere.
tl;dr, I don't think much of this seems like what xofelf would think we want from them.
I feel sad Noraa is specialer than me though
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This doesn't seem like a natural response to those posts. I guess both town and scum ought to feel better instead of worse when they get a hallpass for ineptitude that is going to get them townread, but it makes more sense for scum!Taylor to be upset due to a lack of control. If that makes sense.
It depends a ton on what I expect a vote to do. I cared a lot more about what a small pile of votes on xofelf would do, since I know them well enough to know they're pretty likely to get more sortable if voted just a bit.In post 398, Random Canadian wrote:
Getting back to looking at this, I like the Isis vote the least in 173. At the very least, it's against her playstyle of sorting people by talking to them rather than voting as she didn't address me at all and just followed Excorcists vote. I also found their progression to leave the wagon to reaction bait Noraa and then townreading her in 295 was weird. I don't have a problem with their vote on Xofelf to "get them in deeper" but the transition from against Noraa to trying to get them to vote her with throws up some red flags for me.In post 307, Random Canadian wrote:Also, I want to take a look at the people on my wagon. I get why the wagon formed but it was a surprise to me to come back to it mainly because I just wasn't on between posts too much. Plus also mentioned he thought there might be scum on my wagon. This is mainly for me to look at tomorrow deeper because I need to get some sleep now.
Taylor: 9, 152, 276
Exorcists: 17, 128,
egotisi: 31
Isis: 173
MURDERCAT: 178
VOTE: Isis
I guess the main thing I was trying to whine about is that I think there's lots of meta on MS of putting people who will be less readable at E1 at E1 and then people use confbias to read how they react. The staler your wagon got the more I was feeling worried about re-enacting that phenomenon (cause whenever you could check the thread again, the same number of votes would feel more serious), so I was interested in doing something else.
Like this lol see what I'm talking about XDIn post 401, PlusJOYED wrote:norwee we've played with scum noraa before
can you elab more on your noraa scumread
peddit: nah there are other reasons too. I feel like RC isa bit rnflailing
confbias recipes
I disagree with plus and like the thinking shown in voting me.
This... looks like someone looking for "valid" reasons to give someone demerits, then using her vote the way she said she doesn't use it if she's town.In post 403, Noraa wrote:
1)the games ongoing so don't u dare say anything about thatIn post 401, PlusJOYED wrote:norwee we've played with scum noraa before
can you elab more on your noraa scumread
peddit: nah there are other reasons too. I feel like RC is flailing a bit rn
2)plus you have more experience with scum Noraa than norwee. why are you not trying to solve me? All I see is you agreeing with Taylor that I'm hard to solve and then asking Norwee to solve me. Can't you solve me urself? I don't think town!plus hesitates to solve me rn or talks about me this much while never directly solving. I could see town!plus completely avoiding me bc he is not confident he can solve me or actively trying hard to solve me. I cannot see town!plus actively engaging me but backing away from solving and finding millions of excuses when no one even asked. You seem to think you have to talk about me to keep me not suspicious of u but you want to just go with the flow and blend into the rest of town.
I will be putting pressure here.
VOTE: Plus
Bold move to include this in a hedgy quotewall.In post 413, Jewel Barons wrote:Can you provide the evidence for this because that's not accurate imo
Locke13 in Death List, gobbledygook in Flying Scumsman, me, in like, certain cases, Flying Scumsman actually lol. This is definitely something that's empirical and not something I figured should be theoretically true and started looking for in games.
This modding has been, unique, hasn't it.In post 439, Dunnstral wrote:Elephant in the room: Mod response implies the hydra is town
!In post 448, MURDERCAT wrote:I request a neighborhood for me Isis and Noraa
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This looks a lot like scummy neener neenering I see scum do when a solve is wrong. Like, why post this? Town!you knows Plus can't play this game assuming you're town and that's not how it works. I expect scum!you to want to gloat, more.In post 453, Dunnstral wrote:
Considering everyone to the left of me is your townreads, I'm neutral, and everyone to the right of me is your scumread, then from my point of view; you're either scum, townreading scum, or you're exactly right on your three scumreads. Given the basis for your reads, and general probability, it's probably one of the first two.In post 443, PlusJOYED wrote:In terms of ranking from town to scum, I'd say something like:
ego > exorcist > isis > jewels > tswift > murdercat > bm > cobra > dunnstral > rc > noraa > xofelf
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I'm caught up and I want to VOTE: Noraa, it's been lots of bits and pieces too small to quote but the bits where she doesn't believe herself deserving to be townread doesn't make me want to townread her. It outweighs the things I liked.
Dunnstral seems scummy to me, but by now I think I've tallied enough read accuracy from him across games that I want him alive more than other players because a town!Dunnstral is going to solve the game for me.
I'd find Jewel Barons a little scummy for being sideliney if I ignored the PT thing, but I agree with Dunnstral about that being a strong push town and that matters more. And I'm used to not loving Gamma's posting until finally finding something I like on page 80.
If I had to pick another scum I think I'd pick Swift but I want to give her room to play right now."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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That's only going to make me feel better about it. It's usually the simple ones that actually flip with the red text"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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RC I recommend metaing plus if you feel motivated enough to do it.
I really didn't like town!Plus my first game with him and I think if this was my first game with him I would possibly be scumreading him rather than townreading him
He has funky approaches
I don't feel confident enough to outright fight the wagon building on him though."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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damnit now I'm doing it too"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I was also surprised to see a Noraa vote at the end of the wall!
I'm in my head a lot about the read but even though I answered egotisi with what I was thinking at the time on re-evaluating my read it's been kind of needling me that maybe I shouldn't have re-evaluated it in the first place"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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501 does not seem towny to me at all
But I know it is very egg-on-face if I don't sort that town and should be able to
I feel like I have been mad at players like that as scum moreso than town because as town it seems like it could be weak scumplay that is more forgivable."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I like MURDERCAT"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@mod: I don't think you answered MURDERCAT, does the banshee ability generate unique kill flavor?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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In post 514, MURDERCAT wrote:
Fair enough, what specifically stuck out to me was "you couldn't explain a TR that should be pretty easy to explain to murder" which makes me think Noraa has been tracking this stuff and is genuinely feeling frustration.In post 511, Isis wrote:501 does not seem towny to me at all
But I know it is very egg-on-face if I don't sort that town and should be able to
I feel like I have been mad at players like that as scum moreso than town because as town it seems like it could be weak scumplay that is more forgivable.
This quote has always stuck with me and the author is around :3In post 657, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Scum can experience genuine frustrationIn post 623, Vecna wrote:Oversoul van be my ride or die homey
The frustration from the HH slot also feels somewhat genuine
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Thinking a town!Plus is gonna get townread anyway. And lo and behold you unvoted plus"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I sus you Noraa what are you gonna do about it!?!?!?!?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I haven't meta dived you, I rarely read people's older games to read them nowadays. I have to be extremely curious about something."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think the mods are doing a shitacular job. I either genuinely believe that or hope this will prompt them to interact with me to spew me"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think "setting up chain lynches" is a little too conspiratorial. That's something I've seen feared since the dawn of time, but I've never gone into a scum PT afterwards and found out that scum actually set up an X or Y fully expecting to ruin two days with it.
Gesturing at a pair of players and saying you think there's at least one scum in there somewhere and picking one to try and see hasn't ever been a method I've ever found very strong, though.
wow the pedits"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I have some curiousity about how worth that line of scumplay is, my belief that it's rare doesn't mean I believe it's a weak play.
That's kind of an offtopic curiousity though"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I was intrigued by this actually, but I don't think you developed it?In post 574, Noraa wrote:
This is actually such a bad answer to murder's question.In post 572, Cobra Kai wrote:Joyed and datisi hydra
Not sure on scumreads. Was planning to reread at some point. Nothing is standing out as overtly scummy- I don’t particularly understand why joyed or Noraa are the leading wagons presently. Feels TvT.
Battle mage and Taylor
Not sure at this point in time.
Digame enemiga"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Part of it is seeing you post stuff a lot that's ostensibly content but doesn't draw conclusions about other players. It reads to me like faux participation that's not organically leading to you developing reads that would naturally occur for town!Noraa.In post 562, Noraa wrote:Isis explain your progression on me.
Shifting stances a dozen times in a page is a better look.
If you feel like you deserve more airtime, I can try to talk about you more I guess, you upgraded your avatar for it huh. The other slots I've discussed as scummy have mitigating reasons I don't want to vote for them.
pedit: Are you saying you would be capable of write 572 in sixty seconds if you needed to and that's bad, or that you could spend sixty seconds explaining why 572 is bad if I repeated my request?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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UNVOTE:"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't think Noraa's analysis of Kai actually says that much about Kai's alignment, but it looks solvey to me
I kind of don't want to vote everything, which is every game nowadays"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Noraa, why is + scummier than me?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Yeah I guess I kind of share the don't-get-it about finding plus scummy at all. I don't feel like you've outlined how there's more of a scum story than a townstory for what you're complaining about versus just not being happy with it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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what would you say is the most solvey thing you've done, NoraaIn post 632, Noraa wrote:
my analysis of kai is actually prolly the least solvey thing I've done. You changing around based off of terrible reasons is quite questionable.In post 626, Isis wrote:I don't think Noraa's analysis of Kai actually says that much about Kai's alignment, but it looks solvey to me
I kind of don't want to vote everything, which is every game nowadays
is that not a valid reason? He has a "strong SR" yet he can't explain any of it. You can't even explain to murder why a few people are townie. Like his reads are all nothing if he can't back them up and it just feels like scum wanting to seem like he put in effort when he actually isnt.In post 629, Cobra Kai wrote:Your case on plus is he won’t (and literally can’t) explain his read on you."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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it's fine to post "I scumread X player and am not going to say why due to the ongoing games rule" btw. Just not more"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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There's actually more of a dearth of people I want to vote? I'm puzzling over Dunnstral's response to getting pushed but it seems town for him.In post 638, Cobra Kai wrote:I know you want to vote everyone, but are there any standouts in particular isis?
My mind might change as I finish this catchup but I think the scummiest active player left to me is Battle Mage with a lot of the remaining scum equity on quieter slots like Tayl0r.
The point I was trying to make is since I know you're read on me is wrong and feel pretty confident your read on plus is wrong, can you get why points closer to agreement are more able to give me a better feeling about you? I'm only human, sometimes I can townread the manner in which someone is townreading me but most of the time I'm only going to see flaws.In post 645, Noraa wrote:
I've tried to solve multiple slots. I've tried to solve plus and you for the most part. Cobra isnt even someone I'm really trying too much to solve. I just dislike some things about them is all.In post 636, Isis wrote: what would you say is the most solvey thing you've done, Noraa
439. You don't seem to care about the dynamic, since you vote Gem Barons in this post. Did you disagree with Dunnstral's take, or do you think the slot is so so scummy you'd acknowledge it and think it needs to be the very first lim of the day? I think it's worth at least day 1 pass in a setup where hitting scum day 1 is really good because it's always a scum PR, even if it's not something you could bring to eLo and say keeps the slot out of PoE.In post 656, egotisi wrote:oh cool, so i wasn't blind when i couldn't find whatever 483 was referring to
oofIn post 695, Noraa wrote:your only point on me is my sussing of plus? lel ur SR is really weak too
Cobra Kai just said he had experience, not loads of experience. What would you prefer? That he lie and say this is his second game so we all misread him? Lots of ways of reading people function different on ~1 game players compared to ~20 game players.In post 715, Battle Mage wrote:In post 662, Cobra Kai wrote:@Datisi- I’m experienced. I’m townreading you because I’ve seen you play scum, frankly.
Reread will hopefully come tonight or tomorrow. Depends when I get off work.
Always makes me laugh when people create a brand-new alt account to play a game, and then want to claim they have loads of experience.In post 667, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess the alt and am intentionally disguising my go to phrases.
Could you quote one or two posts with why? The only complaint I remember is Noraa wanting people to not develop scumreads that are brickwalled by the ongoing games rule, but I think that's a legitimate thing that happens. I haven't been rereading much this game so I might have missed a more salient point.In post 744, Jewel Barons wrote:Plus' posting on page 20 is awful and he deserves the votes he has
Not a very serious thing, just haven't gotten to play with you since the fun of pocketing you in Scumsman, so hi :3In post 744, Jewel Barons wrote:Is this an invitation to speak?
It's "tell me, enemy", in spanish, since Noraa said we are not amigas, but interestingly the word for enemy in Spanish is similar to the one for friend, isn't it neat?In post 755, Jewel Barons wrote:what's with the text garbage on the second line?
Didn't you say you're fencesitty as town and you think it's fine? Why do you see it differently for Plus?In post 774, Noraa wrote:Half of it is fencesitty af and most of the rest is just words slapped onto a page that really don't help anyone.
You have to calibrate for the fact that it's Dunn. I think you haven't played with him much at all, right?In post 775, MURDERCAT wrote:
This is interesting because I would consider Dunn to be sideliney this gameIn post 750, Jewel Barons wrote:on page 22, noticed a lot of people pushing Dunn, I think he's made some commentary I don't think he would have made at this point as scum
I think scumStral tends to be a bit more sideliney
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Noraa has lots of unfairly caught scum vibes, but then I keep changing my mind
I think doing something with my vote is better than nothing so I'll go VOTE: Taylor for now.
Somewhat scummy that she'd warn people her energy was going to be lower instead of waiting to get pressured since she's usually so devil may care.
I'm townreading lots of things"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Much of my thinking was that his read progressions don't make sense and the way he is mentioning reads doesn't fit well into pushing a player he wants to flip and trying to get other people to vote that person too, or being suspicious of someone and asking questions of that person to figure them out. It's a lot of tossing and changing places for no reason.
Generally when he articulates reasons they make sense, but it doesn't make sense that he is where his.
Like even if you spot him good faith on whatever excuse he is going to say about Datisi, why would he say, "I would be happy flipping egotisi today" while voting me and not seeming to scumread me any less than that scumleany reason he came up with? Shouldn't you be unhappy if you don't get your first choice?
Positioning is what I had in mind.
I kind of agree that Exorcists is bleeding obvtown though, whether that is scummy would just be paranoia over whether the weird timing of it was "I just reread some isos and Exorcists' obvtown iso is screamy" or "my partners pointed out/I realized I'm not townreading many people and Exorcists probably isn't getting voted out anyways" but I don't know how you'd pick one of those over the other.
Swift and Battle mage probably aren't both scum, and Swift doesn't look great either though?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Swift show me your townsoul"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Exorcist, Jewels, and actually Canadian.
I have lots of people I have a bit or piece to feel like they are townier than rand but I'm not excited to bet the game on them or something"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Infinity, why do you feel like MURDERCAT's "style" being close to yours proves a point that he's town? Like, usually when someone's playstyle is closer to mine, I have the opposite reaction, I get paranoid that I might townread them for something that's going to be part of how they play both alignments when they might really be scum. I spent a long time townreading scum in Nightless Vanilla because of this, also with a player I was meeting for the first time.
Have there been some aha moments that are really, really close to something you did as town once?
As Battle Mage has pointed out you probably didn't have a rolecard yet for most of this so it probably doesn't say much about your alignment but I think you should think about it. I think it's a better idea to fight excitement about people playing similar instead of leaning into it. For example: I think I play very different from Battle Mage in a lot of ways, so that makes me more willing sheep Alice on what to make of his shifts. (compared to, if my playstyle is similar to someone, and Istillscumread something playstyle adjacent I'd be more likely to think I'm just right)
I feel better about Swift, I liked the "YAS LOOK AT ME" post, because I think she came up with it out of a genuine desire to see herself talked about which she liked in Menagerie and I think she didn't seem to like in Noir.
I'm going to switch to VOTE: egotisi, because I don't think either head has responded to me and that could very well be GeorgeBailey still horrified of my history catching him and consciously or subconsciously not wanting to keep me on the agenda.
If I had two votes I'd vote Noraa because her posting is making me nauseous again. Mis-stating whether her main points of interest started on her initiative or someone else's seems like the scum-indicative type of error (our earliest interactions in the game started with her saying she wanted to OMGUS me, so..).
Jewel Barons is continuing to be town with lots of his short posts giving me good pings. I say "his", Norwee seems to abandoned the game?
MURDERCAT does lots of stuff I like but isn't town, in a way, and the way Battle Mage approaches skepticism for the slot might be another part of me feeling better about BM. But I don't, like, scumread MURDERCAT (how do I teach my computer to capitalize it the way my phone does?)
I don't know anything else I need to talk about. I think I didn't actually say much about Infinity and that's because I don't know what I think about Infinity!
pedit: there's like 8 pedits and I'm not gonna read them."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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