Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[Datisi]

@mod, v/la until thursday.

got three final exams in the next week. will be around but definitely not as much as usual.

that's a god-tier ic rand.

VOTE: sircakez

[Datisi]

VOTE: xheavenx

[Datisi]

Aww Datisi why make such a bold trying-to-end-RVS vote?

because 13 felt slightly too forced, and then 17 came up in pedits, and it didn't change my mind

[Datisi]

Yeah but it's really selfish you know? I think RVS has it's usage and I don't know why you couldn't have waited

i have a feeling this is a troll, but in case it's not:

(1) what (2) nothing waa forcing you to act upon my vote? you easily could've kept rvsing?

[Datisi]

Yeah but it's really selfish you know? I think RVS has it's usage and I don't know why you couldn't have waited

i have a feeling this is a troll, but in case it's not:

(1) what (2) nothing waa forcing you to act upon my vote? you easily could've kept rvsing?

Both you and me gain nothing if I "pretend" to just keep RVSing though. You were the one to somehow get a beat on my alignment based on two posts yknow

i struggle to respond to this because i fail to see what you can possibly "gain" out of rvs in the first place, but - you said you want to wait for everyone to chime in before getting serious. why couldn't you just wait before calling me out if rvs is so important to you?

[Datisi]

Precedence was already established by that point when it came to your vote. It's a situation that you can't really go back from or just can't look. You yourself should be presently aware given that you already agreed that it wasn't RVS in #24

that is true, however my 24 came after your 23, thus not really invalidating my point that if you had ignored my vote, i would've too.

anyway. VOTE: dwlee.

[Datisi]

Ehh?

Would you want me to ignore your vote though? I responded out of commonplace. If someone naked votes me in RVS my reaction would be all the same. What did you expect to get if I didn't respond?

it's not about what *i* wanted or expected. i didn't want or expect anything - it was a naked vote based on a ping that i threw out there to see if something useful would come out or it, either from you or from someone else.

[Datisi]

VOTE: xheavenx

why?

So when it comes to what happened between me and Datisi, It seemed quite meh to me as well. Datisi says I could've just ignored him but I only assumed his best interest. I really feel like he could've just kept his vote on me and surveyed the room a bit more, but instead he just backed off. What do you think about this?

considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.

if i may jump in with self-meta: most of the time, when i'm town, i will be obvtown, mostly because i don't really have a filter and it shows. some people do struggle with reading town!me, but they're few and far between.

i'm getting vague townpings on skittler. (which is what i'd expect at this point regardless of her alignment because i am utter trash at reading skitter.) *however* there is a certain ~thing~ here that i would expect town!skitter to say and/or do that she has not exactly done yet. i will circle back to this eventually.

[added after reading everything: she kinda has, but not in a satisfactory way imho. i will update it at some point.]

other people i'm getting vague townpings on are penguin, heaven, and surprisingly a50? don't ask, i don't know.

Soo I'm just the odd person out then right? Are you all familiar with another? I got that impression when Almost50 responded to me about how he couldn't read Datisi.

yeah, i've played with everyone here (including both mods) except for you and dwlee.

Dwlee probably town

i am highly interested in this take.

[Datisi]

@gamma, have you played with a50 since that game you linked?

[Datisi]

if any of the cakez voters are willing to elaborate on why they're voting him, that'd be grand

[Datisi]

why?

They felt terrible tonally

what about their tone felt off to you? like their response to me after my vote felt Fine.

[Datisi]

To elaborate: he voted heaven at a time when it seemed like multiple people were arguing with and starting to push heaven. It feels like a vote that’s meant to take advantage of that momentum rather than solve for heaven’s alignment.

- lilith

sorry, what? at the time cakez voted heaven, i was the only person arguing with them, and i had already moved my vote onto dwlee prior to that. who was pushing heaven at that time?

[Datisi]

skitter, how do you feel about the fact that pooky included you in his solve?

[Datisi]

what do you think his motivation for voting heaven was then?

i unno, maybe he genuinely thought heaven's tone was bad and wanted to add to a push there? like i don't exactly townread cakez but i don't scumread him either and this seems a biiit too strong of a reaction to what happened

also, a naked vote without acknowledging any of the discussion that was currently happening about/with heaven

this is scummy because...?

[Datisi]

VOTE: the limit does not exist

[Datisi]

why am I scummy, as opposed to seeing things differently (or just wrong)?

- lilith

because my gut says so.

[Datisi]

because my gut says so.

you think scum lilith tries to push towncakes right away on d1?

I find it way more likely that town lilith has geniune suspicion of ?cakes than the former.

i don't see a reason why she wouldn't? is there some kinda meta knowledge that scum!lilith usually sits on her ass on d1 or something?

like you're calling it a hardpush but it's based on "cakez had one bad vote" how hard can that push really be

[Datisi]

I don't think I've seen S!lilith hard push this early in d1 so unless any1 else has seen it I'm gonna treat this as a town!motivated push >.>

how many games have you played with scum!lilith?

[Datisi]

can you give me a counterexample where lilith does do a serious push as scum right away?

open 781: jk9++ is the only game i've played with scum!lilith, and skimming through her early iso, she did a semi-early serious push on penguin that game, so kinda?

also /shrug, the fact that she "usually" (which is debateable anyway) doesn't hardpush early as scum is nowhere near enough to convince me that that should make her town here - something something, meta changes, and this is faaaar too weak of a meta point (i.e. easily changeable) to be taken that seriously.

in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong. it feels like there's somehing wrong with them, i don't know if it's them having relatively strong reads on each other so quickly or what but i'm feeling uneasy.

[Datisi]

also: pooky gives me a scummy vibe of "trying not to appear in the center of attention while still trying to steer the conversation to his liking" but i'm not too interested in acting upon it immediately because i know i need more time to read him and i would not want to get wrong!tunnelled on pooky.

[Datisi]

pooky didn’t even have me in his initial readslist ftr. I don’t think of his read on me as “particularly strong”

- lilith

except he was willing to instantly jump to your defense as soon as i started saying i think you're scum, so...? i disagree?

[Datisi]

considering that you described it as "meh", what do you think about that? or rather, what does "meh" mean.

I just found um the way you handled your own suspicions to be a bit incomplete. I know it's early but the idea that you can't have strong feelings about something is wrong. If I pinged you tonally then I pinged you tonally. I really expected you to get further about that, but you didn't. Your reasons after the fact fall back onto your own habits as explained how you believe you're obvtown when you're obvtown. My own thoughts is that you're null and I think self-aware players are the most dangerous type, so I can't really accept you being town until I see it.

i'm not saying one cannot have strong feelings this early - i've had strong (correct) feelings on people's alignments on page 1 before. (before someone cries how this contradicts my 173 - it doesn't. i deemed what lilith reacted to to not be enough to get a strong feeling. you may call me egocentric if you wish.) you pinged me tonally, yes, but i don't think you understand the strength of that ping - it was not that strong. by the time i changed my vote away from you onto dwlee, i was satisfied with what you posted. i got what i wanted, i moved on. why would you *expect* me to go further about that?

[Datisi]

I like talking things out I guess. Even if someone scumreads me or finds something I did wrong, I learn a lot more with direct conversation.

if you feel like you learn a lot more with direct conversation, why didn't you ask me about my moving vote?

Did you miss my post where I said the heaven vote was only ~2% of the reason I was voting cakes?

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

pooky didn’t even have me in his initial readslist ftr. I don’t think of his read on me as “particularly strong”

- lilith

except he was willing to instantly jump to your defense as soon as i started saying i think you're scum, so...? i disagree?

like maybe your reasons are bad reasons

I won’t disagree that pooky could be scum but if scum!pooky came to my defense it was probably because he saw it as an easy defense

- lilith

like idek maybe they are bad reasons but maybe you're scum regardless

[Datisi]

if you feel like you learn a lot more with direct conversation, why didn't you ask me about my moving vote?

Do you prefer being left alone or do you like the same things I do? When it comes to um..direct conversation. The feedback I got from our conversation earlier is like I said that maybe how I responded wasn't what you preferred. You wanted to keep yourself a bit ambiguous to see how others would respond, and in that moment we just didn't agree.

it doesn't matter what i prefer. if i want to say something, i'll be saying it regardless if anyone asks me, and if i don't wanna say something, i won't say it even if someone asks. though generally, i would err on more conversation = better.

a different q: why do you care about what i prefer? you said you don't townread me. i could be scum for all you know. why do you care about what i want or don't want, as opposed to doing the things that would help *you* get the best reads you can get?

[Datisi]

cakez, do you have any reads other than heaven (and i guess lilith)?

[Datisi]

in the last ~irl day, whenever cakez posted things, i thought the post sounds like something i would scumread. yet in my heart i do not scumread cakez. which is also annoying because i feel like i have very few reads right now and it's messing with me and i don't like it.

VOTE: pooky

[Datisi]

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

really?

I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.

is there a reason you're talking to me in this sorta condescending tone? like it *feels* like you're calling me a liar, but i also think that if town!pooky thought i was scum talking out of my ass here, he'd be all over it trying to murder me.

[Datisi]

"i don't think you need xyz to form your opinion" feels like it. idk, maybe condescending is not the right word to use, but it feels like either (1) you're saying i'm lying (2) you're implying you know my thoughts better than i do. and judging by the rest of your play around me it doesn't feel like (1). it's weird.

[Datisi]

I think when you vote me on bad reasoning you're more likely to just be bad!town than scum shitpushing me because you should know how I respond to day1 shitpushes.

i remember.

im not saying your lying or that i know ur thoughts better than you do

i disagree about what you said and I wanted to discuss it with you

this was prior to me reading Lili's "tell reasoning"

tonally and by meta I felt her concerns about cakez were more likely from town than scum making some shit up

do you want to hear me say "it's more likely that town!lilith has a legit tell on cakez than scum!lilith bullshitting about having a tell"? because like idk, i guess. it could also be scum!lilith actually having a "tell" that town!cakez happens to be playing into this game. i don't think i can confidently say that the first one is happening, despite sure, i think it's somewhat more likely.

and i didn't want lilith to out the tell just so i can see whether she's telling the truth or not (i suspected she had *something*, regardless her alignment), i mostly wanted to hear the tell so i can judge for myself how likely it is to make cakez scum.

Dats what are your thoughts on this "tell" that Lilith is claiming on Cakes?

I find it believable and >rand that he just flips red here.

it's believable. i wouldn't be that surprised if cakez flipped red this game. but like, i can't say i scumread cakez when i just don't. i'm reading the posts calling him scum, and logically they make sense, sure whatever he doesn't look great. i don't exactly townread him. but i can't say i scumread him. my heart does not believe.

you were voting him / had him in your solve before the tell was even mentioned, though. why is cakez scum?

[Datisi]

VOTE: kerset?

[Datisi]

my "i feel like i should and/or would be scumreading cakez here but i don't" feeling keeps going strong. while i to think bork made some good-looking points against him in 288 and 302. what's kind of worrying me is that he seems to be making points for scum!cakez, but then seemingly immediately walks back from them / ignores them in his own read, and idek.

@bork, what's your actual current read on cakez? also, why'd you like me brining up the ic (267)?

in other news, i am still not townreading limit. like, i feel like town!lilith should be obvtown when town, and i am still not feeling it here? like i know yesterday i unvoted them after discussion, but having slept on it i'm not *feeling* it. like, i couldn't point at a single thing and say "this is scummy", it just feels like overall she's struggling to replicate her usual town-self?

whenever cakez posted things, i thought the post sounds like something i would scumread. yet in my heart i do not scumread cakez.

This is just... how I identify town-Cakez. The more blatantly scummier he sounds, the more likely he is to be town.

I haven't played against scum-him in a

very

long time (I don't think?), but this method has worked for me so far. (And it would have worked in that game where he was scum, though I didn't apply it then and actually horribly misread him. That was kinda what led me to discover this.)

-S

okay, so... do you think cakez is acting like that in this game? do you think he's town?

i like 349? though it has been a long long while since i've seen scum!a50.

@a50, considering i'm not in your solve, have you finally come around to being able to read me?

Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

is there a reason why a period of silence from you is followed by a joke that doesn't really add anything onto the discussion?

highly dislike 394 and 395 from gamma. there is some sorta vibe from them, posting for the sake of posting, trying to appear busy, etc.

it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me

this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?

what do you think cakes was townreading me for in the early game (before I brought up why I was voting him)?

- lilith

could cakez comment on this?

[Datisi]

is there a reason why a period of silence from you is followed by a joke that doesn't really add anything onto the discussion?

I also told y'all I can't contribute if all we are doing is meta which you ignored for some reason.

i saw that post. that wasn't what i was asking.

[Datisi]

so... i should assume you're scum who's using "boohoo everyone is talking nothing but meta i have nothing to say" as an excuse to not contribute?

pedit: hm, i might've missed it in my initial read, and i remember reopening your iso and misreading that post as 13 hours prior rather than 1 hour prior. though i don't think it highly negates my point. if you're finding the meta talk hard to follow (and don't get me wrong, i feel like i didn't get much out of those pages either), why are you defaulting to crossing your arms and giving up as opposed to trying to steer the conversation in a to you more productive manner?

[Datisi]

complaining: "meta is bad, i'm not getting anything out of it."

steering the conversation: "meta is bad, i'm not getting anything out of it. why don't we talk about x instead? i have y read on z person, does anyone agree/disagree?"

[Datisi]

in other news, i am still not townreading limit. like, i feel like town!lilith should be obvtown when town, and i am still not feeling it here? like i know yesterday i unvoted them after discussion, but having slept on it i'm not *feeling* it. like, i couldn't point at a single thing and say "this is scummy", it just feels like overall she's struggling to replicate her usual town-self?

?????? ok vote me again then

lilith, do you know what a "nullread" is

it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me

this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?

Do you think it is possible that cakes was avoiding interacting with me, maybe hoping that I wouldn’t pay that much attention to him? The lack of interaction in rvs is only one part of that. The lack of response to my vote is a second part of that. When he finally did respond to me, his initial response was defensive (“I do x thing”) and didn’t question my motivation. Then his answer about not finding me suspicious and therefore responding only defensively feels like he made it up after the fact to explain why he hadn’t been treating me with paranoia. Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i mean, sure, it's possible. when you write it out neatly like that, i can agree cakez looks bad. i'm not saying he doesn't. but i already gave you my thoughts - yes i agree he doesn't look great, but i just don't agree with a "scumread" because i do not believe in it. trust me, i am *acutely* aware how big of a hole i'm digging myself into right now in the event that he flips red, which may not be unlikely. but i cannot lie and tell you that i have a scumread on cakez when i just don't.

also i'm in the process of questioning him about it, so. no need to get angry so quickly.

[Datisi]

confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.

idk, "?????? ok vote me again then" and "Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?" felt angry to me, but maybe it's me failing basic emotional comprehension again.

“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?

ehh, not in my mind, though reading back i can kinda see how it could be read like that.

lilith, do you have an opinion on my alignment yet? it's difficult to tell if you're thinking i'm a vi or a cakez-scumbuddy.

[Datisi]

ss and i both think you’re town

s_s? am i pulling things out of my ass, or am i correct in thinking that he usually doesn't have reads this early? why does he townread me?

and gotcha. i will prob reread your/cakez iso once he gets back to me and once i am no longer distracted with other shiny slots in this game. or rather i'll reread it when i feel like it.

[Datisi]

I wouldn't be the one to call for Datisi's head here, but a lot of their posts to me are too careful? There's just a degree of skepticism found in himself, and it makes sorting through a bit more tricky. I've been thinking about whether this is intentional on his part or not.

why do you feel that my skepticism makes sorting me trickier?

also, i could probably pull up some quotes from my previous town games, if you'd want to see precedent of it.

[Datisi]

VOTE: umlaut

maybe this is just cakez/kerset/umlaut

[Datisi]

Datisi what did you get from your conversation with me?

your willingness to stand your ground is probably +town.

Also your vote was on kerset, why are you switching to umlaut who is probably less likely to be scum?

because i think he's also scum and he's annoying me and (iirc) last time i played with him he was scum and coasted on doing nothing so that's not happening again

[Datisi]

pls no

[Datisi]

do not believe the evil visions pooky

they are trying to set you onto a path of ruin

[Datisi]

no? i'm assuming you're town.

[Datisi]

I don't think scum-you posts this:

in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong.

unless you're partners with Cakez or Pooky.

-S

could i get some Elaboration on this?

[Datisi]

@skitt, do you have Thoughts on the interaction between me and lilith on the pages 17-18?

[Datisi]

is lilith still town?

[Datisi]

alright, thanks

i need to go for a bit, i have a nonsense post semi-planned out in my head, will get to that soon

[Datisi]

hot take: it shouldn't count as your pagetop if the pagebottom on the previous page is also yours

[Datisi]

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

[Datisi]

for the record, i'm not feeling too good about datisi so far, and i like limit

what about my play so far has got you "not feeling good"?

[Datisi]

also 187 looked like generic "look at me i sure am reading the game and solving because i am town" so i'd love to hear what is good about that

[Datisi]

also also i would like to point out 409 came *4 minutes* after the ic said he doesn't like me and not at any point prior when people were townreading me

i know he's gonna call coincidence but come on

[Datisi]

VOTE: umlaut

maybe this is just cakez/kerset/umlaut

Call it excessively self-aware on my part, but based on my model of how Datisi usually meta-reads me I don't understand where this is coming from.

datisi's meta-read model got updated since last game

now it's not only "does umlaut look similar to those two scumgames of his i modded", now it's also "do not give umlaut a pass for doing jackshit nothing and think he's town because ~scum!him would be doing more~, scum!him absolutely will do jackshit if he thinks he can get away with it"

[Datisi]

*jots down 'if umlaut flips scum, there's a deepwolf'*

[Datisi]

Yeah, I kind of anticipated that, but thinking my being inactive (all of 48[?] hours into the game at that) explicitly makes me scum still doesn't fit when you know perfectly well I can be demotivated and useless as any alignment.

sure, you *can*. and when i'm not scumreading any of the actives, i'm going to start bashing on the lurkers.

[Datisi]

anyway i'm gonna start working on that post i had in mind earlier in a different tab and see how far i get

something to know about me, for those in the audience who don't - i put a lot of stock in other people's reads. specifically, if i know that person A has an insanely good read rate of person B, person A claims they're very sure B is town, and then person A is either confirmed town (by death or something similar) or it's confirmed that A and B cannot be partners (e.g. because only one scum left alive), i will gve a lot of weight to A's read and will basically consider B very town, regardless of my own read of them. ok cool.

i'm getting vague townpings on skittler. (which is what i'd expect at this point regardless of her alignment because i am utter trash at reading skitter.)

*however* there is a certain ~thing~ here that i would expect town!skitter to say and/or do that she has not exactly done yet.

i will circle back to this eventually.

[added after reading everything: she kinda has, but not in a satisfactory way imho. i will update it at some point.]

what i was ~hinting~ at here: i know skitter has Very Good Reads on lilith and a50. and a bit ago i was following along panic room (viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778) where both lilith and skitter were playing. i noticed that very very early in the game (quite literally page one) skitter claimed to be town on lilith.

Spoiler:

early townpings on lilith, yay!

~ skitter

can i just cite the inverse of the pyp game where i had the exact opposite read off of your first like three posts?

your demeanor/happiness/vibes is different between the two alignments and now that i know what i'm looking for it's p easy to tell the difference

~ skitter

i feel p good abt it tho!

~ skitter

they were both town in that game. i expected, if skitter's town in this game, that she would similarly claim a read on lilith early. now, i know she did mention her in 102, but at the time of my writing 128, i wasn't really satisfied with that. similarly, i was kinda disappointed that her read on a50 was "null", but i don't have an example of skitter confidently telling a50's alignment at a beginning of a game, so i took it as not that ai for her.

later on, she did say lilith was town, and continuously defended her, which like. idk i guess. there wasn't as much ~conviction~ there as i would've liked but. idk.

anyway. in my convo w lilith earlier today, precisely at 420, i thought "oh fuck lilith is town, what the fuck am i doing". however, i didn't wanna say that immediately, since i wanted to see if skitter would try to to intervene - since she has a good record of reading lilith, and i think her record of reading me also isn't too bad, i would kind of expect for town!skit to try to stop what she sees as a pointless tvt fight.

she didn't. however, i think this whole experiment is a waste, because even though skitter did "what i would expect scum!skit to do" in this most recent event, i am not ready to put that much stock into my own ideas of how town! or scum!skitter plays around us. and also i am not willing to put that much stock in "skit wasn't defending lilith

the amount

i think town!her would" because... yeah i do not have nearly enough confidence to claim that.

(i already hear heaven typing at their keyboard calling me scum for hmming and being indecisive in this post)

and finally, i wanna touch on this

Datisi I'm confused how you're both sus of Lilith hydra and also calling me in potential scum team

i wasn't sus of lilith anymore at that point. *however* i don't really think cakez is scum right now either, my "cakez/umlaut/kerset" solve is a solve if this game is on easy mode - since apparently half the game thinks cakez is scum, and kerset and umlaut are like. doing absolutely nothing. however i don't really think this is the solve because i'd expect scum!laut to either be bussing or be doing *something*.

[Datisi]

also: pooky gives me a scummy vibe of "trying not to appear in the center of attention while still trying to steer the conversation to his liking" but i'm not too interested in acting upon it immediately because i know i need more time to read him and i would not want to get wrong!tunnelled on pooky.

end of this post is exessively worried about being perceived badly, like, in a way, you seem more concerned about being the cause to a town getting exed than the fact that a town gets exed if ya see what i mean?

(1) me being worried about looking bad is not scum!indicative for me. again, if you want relevant quotes, i can pull them up for you.

(2) the end of that post was a reference to miccro 960 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=83833) in which i wrongly tunnelled town!pooky.

for over 200 pages.

and then i voted him wrong in mylo. trust me, i do *not* want to do that again.

can you give me a counterexample where lilith does do a serious push as scum right away?

open 781: jk9++ is the only game i've played with scum!lilith, and skimming through her early iso, she did a semi-early serious push on penguin that game, so kinda?

also /shrug, the fact that she "usually" (which is debateable anyway) doesn't hardpush early as scum is nowhere near enough to convince me that that should make her town here - something something, meta changes, and this is faaaar too weak of a meta point (i.e. easily changeable) to be taken that seriously.

in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong. it feels like there's somehing wrong with them, i don't know if it's them having relatively strong reads on each other so quickly or what but i'm feeling uneasy.

Datisi being very dismissive off of one single meta read, it's either overconfidence or scum trying to keep the options open imo

please refer to 526. i trust that you know that there was no way for me to see your 524, and then type up 526 on which i call lilith town multiple times, in under 2 minutes?

what do you think his motivation for voting heaven was then?

i unno

, maybe he genuinely thought heaven's tone was bad and wanted to add to a push there? like i don't exactly townread cakez but i don't scumread him either and this seems a biiit too strong of a reaction to what happened

moonlogic : but i recall reading that scumtisi often makes this sort of typos

(1) "i unno" was deliberate. i think i remember seeing ari say "iunno" and i thought it sounded fun.

(2) i knew that post was gonna haunt me one day... you're thinking of this (viewtopic.php?p=12623441#p12623441), right? funny, but no. scum!tisi is more prone to making grammar errors, because focusing of grammar and the spirit of english while i'm bullshitting posts is difficult, that's correct. *however*, town!tisi is the one more prone to making typos - i type posts faster as town than as scum, and i tend to proofread them way less as town. and while i don't catch grammar mistakes as scum, i absolutely catch spelling errors when i'm proofreading my scumposts. and since i don't proofread my townposts as much... i don't catch the spelling errors. but grammar errors are happening way less when i'm town, since there's no cognitive load being used on big brain scumming.

[Datisi]

Datisi, can I see a scumgame of yours?

why do i have a wiki that i (mostly) keep up to date... here's the two most recent ones:

open 806: jk9++ - i was somewhat efforting d1, but after my only competent partner died n1 by the serial killer, i was lazy af, and basically tried to see how far i would get on shitposting though the game. spoiler: decently far?

mini normal 2195 - i really wanted to win this game for reasons, so this is probably the best example of me actually tryharding as scum.

[Datisi]

okay, maybe disregard my point of "scum!tisi doesn't make typos", i'm currently rereading parts of 2195, and i have found a couple of typos in my posts. though my first point of "i meant to type iunno because i've seen ari use it" still stands.

[Datisi]

i am annoyed gypyx has not responded to anything i've written >_>

I wish mena were in this game so he could answer but one of the things he said to me in Deja Vu before i revealed my main is:

only that’s not what happened? I wanted to know why skitt was TRing you bc you’re evidently experienced but I have no idea what your scumgame is like from a range of like FL to kerset

assuming that FL is the high end of that spectrum i gotta ask - is kerset's scumgame known for being effete or just generally lacking?

because kerset so far very much feels that

-b

hello

i believe if you had asked mena what he was referring to there, he would've pulled up this game: viewtopic.php?t=84245

tl;dr, kerset entered low-effort / shitposting, got tunelled by a townie early, had to fakeclaim doc just to make is to day 2. that game is also what i had in mind when i voted for kerset earlier.

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

Why do you think 509 is bad?

read the next few posts? (the utterly horrible timing)

i am noticing that umlaut seems to start to contribute as soon as he gets called out. (i.e. he is actually Making a post or two in my reading now.) now i know nobody is gonna take me seriously but how is nobody batting an eye at this timing? @skit what is ~maybe town~ about him?

the skit/penguin convo is giving me surprisingly nothing ok cool

i still think umlaut deserves attention but considering nobody else does

VOTE: kerset

also gamma posts read worse and worse and the fact that he didn't try to respond to my previous call-out is annoying and/or scummy (is it? i'm gonna write that it is)

[Datisi]

my issue is that he was doing Literally Nothing (like just complaning how boohoo too many poast), and then after he is called out for doing Literally Nothing, he starts Doing Something, and that Something is weaksauce "look i sure am reading game" one-liners

and again i don't have a problem with *what* is written in 509. like that's fine and i've also been in situations where i'm not exactly caught up and it's easiest to respond to my own name. i get it. my problem is *when* 509 was posted - quite literally 4 minutes after the ic said he's suspicious of me. i voted umlaut over 5 hours prior to that. at no point in those 5 hours (during which multiple people expressed a townread on me) does he bring up his problems with my vote. but oop, did the ic just mention he's sus of me? he's right there

i don't see what is supposed to be townie in 520 but ok

i'm gonna hope i'm wrong on this but oh boy would it be nice if people were actually contributing and therefore were solvable

[Datisi]

i am noticing that umlaut seems to start to contribute as soon as he gets called out. (i.e. he is actually Making a post or two in my reading now.) now i know nobody is gonna take me seriously but how is nobody batting an eye at this timing? @skit what is ~maybe town~ about him?

also gamma posts read worse and worse and the fact that he didn't try to respond to my previous call-out is annoying and/or scummy (is it? i'm gonna write that it is)

This latter quote suggests that if I didn't respond to getting called out you would be just as happy to complain about that.

(Also Gamma is probably town)

my problem isn't you "responding" to me, it's you doing the bare minimum after getting called out in order to not be able to be called out again >_>

do you really think gamma is town? if so, would love to hear why.

[Datisi]

oh cool, under a page when i'm awake, 5 when i'm asleep, please be something interesting

spoiler alert: it was not interesting. okay uhhh

i still like my vote on kerset. something feels off to me about 770 and complaining about being accused of active lurking when most of his posts since he came back *do* feel like active lurking. kerset, do you have like, any reads and reasonings behind them or something?

in other news, i think? i'm starting to townlean pooky? i'm genuinely not sure what caused it, but something about his approach to bork? which i don't get because he did not really change anything but here we are

@pooky, is there reasoning why you shouldn't be pushing cakez for his inactivity? like, does cakez have a point in saying that you pushing him for that is disingenous?

i am enjoying skitter's posts around page 30, it feels pure in a sense? maybe it's just me being happy to see someone agree with "cakez may not be scum" and trying to drive the kerset wagon. i am interested in hearing from lilith on what she finds unsatisfactory about those posts.

I didn’t really think I needed to respond to this before? Anyway, I feel like what gave you that vibe there was basically me trying to be articulate about the things I was saying, and it essentially gave the vibe that I was like a student trying to hit a minimum word count on a term paper
Would you disagree?

i mean yes, that is what "posting for the sake of posting" means???

also tinfoil: something about gamma's vote on kerset feels Very Wrong to me. i don't know what it is, but i really dislike the fact that he didn't bring up kerset at like, any point in his iso, but there's a wagon building, and he's suddenly on for a rather weak reason. this is my early bus vote prediction and if kerset flips red i am heavily looking at gamma.

alright i do much better in live interactions than playing catchup like this so if anyone is around at a time when i am awake, interaction would be appreciated ok thanks

[Datisi]

that is y-1 ^^

UNVOTE:
still on kerset in spirit, but i have like. a very bad feeling about this being on y-1 idk

[Datisi]

I think your posting is weird and defensive in a way I don't expect town to behave.

dwlee, could you elaborate / give examples for this?

[Datisi]

VOTE: gamma

[Datisi]

Pedit dats why are u joining me ?

i think i have been very clear in saying that i dislike gamma's posts this game. i just took a peek at the post counts, and gamma has about the same amount of posts as i do, but i feel like i don't remember a single Thing he's done this game. also i vaguely townlean you and i have a tinfoil that kerset/gamma are acting weird around one another so let's See What Happens.

[Datisi]

heaven, i am always interested in hearing your opinions if you want to offer them

[Datisi]

link to VC on page

almost50 screwing around is how he towntells

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

VOTE: almost50
let's shake this tree

mr sir cakez i have a question

[Datisi]

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I

i'm not sure where you're getting this? you were a stalled wagon sure, but kerset's sprung up basically overnight, got to 6 votes, and right after that is in the midst of collapsing. how is that stalled?

[Datisi]

kerset criticizing my posting style while he himself is either lurking or active lurking is hilarious ngl

[Datisi]

@pooky i qas referring to this earlier:

And using that to push me is incredibly disingenuous because [redacted]

[Datisi]

hi I'm back so you can stop vomiting crap about me avoiding the thread

I'm glad you're back dude

it would be boring af to kill you while you weren't here

As usual
U don't have my back

for some reason, this post gave me big vibes to your play in the secret hitler marathon where you were scum

[Datisi]

@pooky, is there reasoning why you shouldn't be pushing cakez for his inactivity? like, does cakez have a point in saying that you pushing him for that is disingenous?

?

I don't understand this question

my vote is on cakez

i want to kill cakez

not sure what else I need to be doing at this point?

He's either going to come back and do townCakes things or he isn't.

pooky, i was basically looking for you to comment on that

does cakez have a reason to be saying you pushing him for inactivity is indigenous or not

also i am not reading any pedits

[Datisi]

i know it was just a single post but now i really want to vote cakez lmfao

anyone who has more exp with cakez, is him reacting jokingly to scumreads on him ai? i saw a decent amount of him doing that in the scum!marathon and i can't remember seeing that in the towngame i played with him

but also that was six months ago and i'm currently walking outside in heat so my memory might not be working the best so if anyone could help me out

[Datisi]

the fact that cakez ignored 918 is making me hmm

which i feel kind of bad pointing out at this very moment considering his most recent posts but it is what it is

[Datisi]

I've loved your thoroughness recently Datisi and you've completely won me over, while you still retain some hmm I no longer think it's scummy. If other people were more engaging and less ambiguous like you I think I could read them easier but I can't. Is there anyone here that you think would intentionally veil themselves as scum? Maybe due to lack of townie thought?

i should probably respond to this finally - i'm going to retain that hmm throughout the game. and the moment i no longer have that hmm is the moment you should start getting worried. and i don't think there is? out of people that i need to be sorting, i either think of them as at least semi-competent players (who wouldn't be doing that) or i don't actually know enough about their scumplay to be able to say.

i was planning on responding to this when i got to my laptop and was able to think this through, but the conversation since has left me more confused than anything so oops

[Datisi]

@mena can you be useful and prod gypyx

[Datisi]

cakez are you okay

[Datisi]

Maybe I'm being too hard on Cakez but if I had to summarize what I see

- Says he is going to catch-up, doesn't
- Doesn't initiate conversation, rather just focuses on himself. A lot of groaning in particular
- Has no opinions barring what is being told to them or already said

I think this flips scum every time. He's not doing anything a townie would here, which is putting consideration first. Asking himself what his posts are actually doing and if they're helping. There is none of that, rather it's just a microcosm of reactionary thoughts

anway i'm not sure how much i like this post

heaven, how did you arrive at the "cakez did not catch up"?

[Datisi]

kerset, are you still voting a50 only bc of that "slip"? like do you have literally nothing else to vote anyone for?

[Datisi]

heeeaveeeeen i don't like these posts

[Datisi]

heeeaveeeeen i don't like these posts

Didn't you just say you wanted to vote Cakez? I'm putting a lot on the line making such bold claims here.

i've said a lot of things in my life

the jury is still out whether a few posts that remind me of the tone cakez had in a recent scumgame i modded is enough to override my overall ~meh~ feelings about voting him

[Datisi]

because i was sheeping tiger onto gamma and because i have been saying this whole damn game that gamma's posts are bad like how do people keep missing i said that

anyway i have just walked out of my bio exam and i have *barely* slept in the past few days, especially last night, so i'm gonna go get a coffee and try to properly read what y'all lovely people have written and see if i have anything semi-intelligent to offer

or maybe i'll just pass out and do that tonight who knows we'll see

[Datisi]

so i was gonna go play a game but goddamn update times so i guess i am here now

first of all hi infinity glad to see you!!

anyway, something i noted yesterday - with umlaut voting kerset, that means that literally everyone has voted for at least one of kerset/cakez, other than the two of them, and the ic. (idk atm if infinity voted either of them.) old ico tell, if two people are main wagons and consistently refuse to vote for each other they're s/s. obviously not gonna put too much thought into this until one of them flips red / we get more flips but throwing it out there.

however i have also been noticing that skitter feels... oddly firm in reading cakez as town, or at least defending him, and off the top of my head i cannot remember why and i'm lowkey lazy to go look. okay i partly skimmed their iso after ctrl+f'ing "cakez" it's "what is scum doing if cakez is scum" and ehhh. not gonna lie there is a part of me that is increasingly getting paranoid skitter/cakez is A Thing. but also literally every time i had these ~evil vibes~ on skitter she's been town so what i'm trying to say is i don't know how to play this game.

however i do agree that (1) cakez/kerset/tiger is the most ridiculous timeline for us to live in (i.e. i don't think that's it chief) and (2) her annoyance about it rings somewhat townie (even though i know i should not be reading it as townie bc scum goddess skitter etc etc but what can you do)

Everyone is pretty good at towntelling :3

where the fuck is the towntelling, i have like two and a half townreads, and that's including the ic

i really like dwlee's 1120 for some reason

Kerset is a scumlean, dwlee and cakez are null, and you, pooky, penguin, and I guess datisi are my weak/paranoia townreads.

hi infinity do you need anything from me?

i'm really considering if the skitter/cakez convo on pg 47 could somehow be scum theatre
man what a funny interaction it would be if it is

in the middle of page 49 i saw mena post in non-mod colours and i was like "oh shit mena is in this game?? fuck yeah"
and then i remembered

ok i still hate gamma's posts on the previous page
and i am still very much in favour of driving him up to claim
but if our resident ic is confident he's town i frankly have no energy to argue against infinity and will prob just wait for scum to kill her

[Datisi]

so i still prefer gamma and i'm not a huge fan of cakez's ~salt posts~ and cakez/skitt paranoia is not doing good things to my mental health and gamma/umlaut being on this wagon is not giving me good feels either

but all that said, with 3 days to deadline, it's probably time to see something happen (and i'm still not a fan of his posts either so)

VOTE: kerset

back to y-1 with you

[Datisi]

uh. well there goes my solve i tunnelled myself onto during the night i guess.

VOTE: cakez

still think that gamma's vote on kerset was utter shite. also that lolhammer from heaven is hella sus. probably willing to vote interchangeably within those three for now.

tiger is i think town - i don't think scum!skitter diverts a cakez wagon (no matter cakez's alignment) onto kerset, and then jumps off the bus last minute.

also i think pooky is probably town as well - that was too easy of a scumflip. i don't think scum!pooky lets kerset go down that easy.

i should scan through a50's iso at some point maybe. or someone else can do that for me.

[Datisi]

Pedit: Datisi there is no third mafia.

excuse me?

[Datisi]

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
VOTE: Tigerente [/post]

lmao look at the setup info

scum roleblocker can only exist in a 3p scumteam

[Datisi]

it's possible we were roleblocked as one has just flipped, but it lends potential credence for cakez SK too and I think i just shoot him tonight again?

alternatively we yeet cakez and y'all shoot gamma or heaven

[Datisi]

Can someone link the setup

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

[Datisi]

Who was townreading A50 besides me lol

i started townreading him during the night xD

[Datisi]

A50 is an odd shot since the SK wants to shoot town with 1 scum gone.

oh, a50 made a pr soft (or what looked like one) at some point, maybe that's why he died?

maybe he got shot by an sk who isn't aware of his love of fakeclaiming?

ok i'm stretching probably

[Datisi]

no

just yeet the cakey boy

my bet is he's scum who killed lilith

[Datisi]

Also I think a50 and gamma are both very towny

also this is my bet on why infinity did not get shot last night xD

[Datisi]

actually does gamma make sense as groupscum with his entrance of lolpushing a50? whatever i'm gonna tunnel him anyway

[Datisi]

dwlee is galaxy brain scum if they thought of pushing tiger on the rolecard stuff when they know there's three scum and (assuming scum!them would've LOOKED at the setup) when they know they're pushing something that is mechanically impossible and will be shot down immediately

like i would be impressed

[Datisi]

I blocked Tigerente last night.

no offense but what the fuck lol

[Datisi]

i also believe both claims

and still think cakez is a likely scumbutt

[Datisi]

with flips and claims, we're in CVVMB?? right?

honestly i think massclaim might be a good idea. if we can figure out how much killpower there is / whether there's a serial killer, we could potentially get clears from umlaut's roleblock?

[Datisi]

Wait, how do we know there's a C? I either missed or forgot something (or Datisi has something to tell us)

limit flipped 1-shot cop

[Datisi]

we are shutting the fuck up about what is or isn't mechanically confirmed until the massclaim is done.

pedit: don't know don't care you both have shite relations with kerset imo

[Datisi]

we are shutting the fuck up about what is or isn't mechanically confirmed until the massclaim is done.

pedit: don't know don't care you both have shite relations with kerset imo

You didn't seem like an aggressive person last time we had issues.

i don't consider saying "we're shutting the fuck up" to be an aggressive/malicious thing, but maybe i am more lax about swears than an average person. it wasn't meant to be aggressive it just meant "pls stop talking".

[Datisi]

we are shutting the fuck up about what is or isn't mechanically confirmed until the massclaim is done.

pedit: don't know don't care you both have shite relations with kerset imo

There’s only 1 groupscum left so it actually matters a fair bit rn

gamma, i am getting you both either killed or cleared way before endgame, so

no, no it does no

[Datisi]

first i'm getting scumread for typos, now for swearing...

@gamma, i've had my scumread on you for like. the majority of day one. i specifically called out your kerset vote as a likely bus. don't be talking shit about it being "forced" when you said literally nothing about it throughout all of day 1

[Datisi]

when the town is stomping so bad the mod has to intervene (no shade mena love u)

[Datisi]

okay so 10 alive, 1-2 scum left

~ infinity/tiger/umlaut town (neither of the two would've actually claimed that as scum here right? and like they confirmed each other or something?)
~ pooky/dwlee are my General Townreads
~ penguin is a meh townread
~ heaven is eeeeeehhhhhhh
~ gamma is trying to bullshit a scumread on me when he has no foundation for it from yesterday and also our ic is alive
~ and lol cakez

we are leashing both the vig and the roleblocker correct?

frankly i am *utterly* annoyed we cannot use the roleblocker properly anymore because now the utility of massclaim (i.e. figuring out how many kills there are and whether umlaut stopped any) has gone straight into the trash but it is what it is

[Datisi]

lol gamma

i don't give a single flying fuck about your entrance pushing a50 on some utter nonsense of meta. you gave up on that very quickly, called it a ~reaction test~, and kept lowkey townreading a50 throughout all of day 1. like i don't get why you're saying "datisi didn't take into account my relations with a50" lmfao they're, as one could say... not good???

and it's basic logic. if a confirmed townie isn't getting shot, means they're not a threat. so likely means their reads are ass. and her strong townreads were, who, a50 and you? like granted this isn't that strong of a point when compared to the bad kerset vote and overall mediocre play but i'm still throwing it out there

also, right back at you. how the fuck do i make sense as a kerset partner? i was the first one (iirc) to divert attention to him and vote him originally, i helped build his wagon and bringing him back to y-1 was the nail in his coffin. and you're ignoring all of that in favour of... "wah datisi scumread me"

[Datisi]

Datisi's motivation fell off the face of the earth in jk9++ when his scumbuddy got shot by the SK n1

yea and if he's scum in this game he's last of his kind and he hasn't really posted much

pooky >_>

"datisi didn't post much from midnight to noon - scum"
like if anything i would expect you to read me right here

i still stand behind my chara's folly tell, pooky isn't groupscum. unfortunately i have no clue how to hunt for an sk x_x

however speaking of "low motivation", i don't remember seeing cakez post in what i've read from last night to now?

[Datisi]

/shrug

i've dug around meta a bit, i've played a game with town!gamma where i was able to townread him. also the posts that you pointed out as ~intellectual exercise~ seem like... the bare minimum of "solving" that scum would do

do you want to get into your concerns about me now that i have you here?

[Datisi]

considering you read me right in our last two games together (pretty sure you read me right in stock photos?) and considering i felt my play here was similar to stock photos and really not similar to jk9++ i expected you to flat out townread me. and the fact that you didn't made me think there's maybe something from my play missing, therefore i'm gonna ask you if you need anything from me that can make your read on me clearer.

i don't know what you mean by "weird" but you're the ic, obviously i'm treating you differently than other slots. if you're about to say "well it seems like you want me to townread you", yes, yes i absolutely do. you're free to explain how that makes me scum, though.

[Datisi]

ok i went through your iso to find and reread the posts you pointed out (1093) and like... i'm not impressed? idk we're most likely not flipping gamma today anyway so i'll leave this to marinate for a bit more since i can afford it but i am Not Yet Convinced

pedit: i think i remember you at some point saying "i thought it was you in jk9++, but i thought you being scum would've been too obvious so i didn't go for it" or something along those lines that implied you scumread me there?

also lmao i loved that

[Datisi]

interesting. i don't know if you said that anywhere in jk9++ because ooh how i did not bother to properly ready anything past n1 in that game, but good to know.

i see you didn't write anything about heaven in your readslist, thoughts there?

[Datisi]

i'm kinda paranoid of heaven *specifically* because of that hammer, like "hammering a scumbuddy who's obviously going down after you've done pretty much nothing to properly bus them" is not an uncommon scum play, and i'm genuinely surprised so many people think it's +town

agree with some of their posts being townie but also can't pull that up off the top of my head

pedit: did he? don't think i'm gonna trust blanket meta like that but if you've got a convincing case for that i'd like to hear it

[Datisi]

okay that is a weird sequence for scum!heaven i'll give you that

that said, what happened to 1266 heaven?

[Datisi]

goddamnit my page top VC

yeet

[Datisi]

who do you think is the scums then?

[Datisi]

it was meant as a reply to 1582 but i was too lazy to press the quote button so i just hoped it would be clear from context

"if you now think gamma isn't scum, who is it then"

for some reason, pengu pinged me as town in your earlier convo with him but i cannot put my finger on why

heaven still town?

[Datisi]

i am also still in favour of eliminating cakez but in the meantime i need to pretend to be a contributing member of society

@skit, why do you think that the hammer is Overwhelmingly +town? is the "scum panic hammers partner" really that rare of a play or is the comments after it or something

[Datisi]

maybe it was a double bus exactly because the case on kerset was relatively weak and it wouldn't have gone through otherwise :thonk:

in all seriousness, shouldn't umlaut call out his target for tonight in advance, in case we flip scum today?

[Datisi]

pooky getting blocked is not my preferred course of action but rn i don't care enough to argue about it

pengu's annoyance reads genuine

are we waiting on anything before yeeting cakez?

[Datisi]

oh, this just crossed my mind - tiger should also give a target in advance right? so that if their target doesn't die, we know it was the bp sk?

[Datisi]

I don't know who our target should be >.>

gamma

[Datisi]

lmfao *now* you appear

[Datisi]

gamma whle people are discussing reads: ...
gamma while he has questions to answer: ...

gamma when someone points out how he's very deserving of a vig shot: *there in literally 1 minute and 7 seconds to post a 1-word reply*

[Datisi]

We flipping sircakez y/n?
If no i'd want to vig him

i think realistically this day always ends on a cakez flip, but the two things we need to do beforehand is (1) umlaut giving his block target (done) and (2) you giving your vig target (not done)

so like

unless you (or anyone else) has ideas for flipping someone else that we might be able to agree upon, i think we just get the two things above done and flip cakez and go from there. like the game is just gonna grow in apathy the longer we're in limbo like this.

[Datisi]

considering there are no more partner-scum alive, i don't see how a conditional improves anything

i mean, if cakez flips bp sk, you can deviate from the plan since there will no longer be anything to stop you, but other than that /shrug

pedit: huh nvm then

[Datisi]

best timeline: there is no serial killer. there is an extra vigilante that mena erroneously put into the setup that shot a50. cakez flips last scum and the game ends. all of the planning was for nothing.

[Datisi]

right, that makes more sense.

[Datisi]

pooky no

[Datisi]

do we do this ~properly~ and massclaim and figure out the actions (i think we're in auto but i'm not 100%) on the off-chance the sk decided to fuck with us and no-kill, or do we just speedyeet pooky?

[Datisi]

i thunk penguin is the serial killer who's decided to drag this out by no killing

he had that gif ready way too quickly >_>

[Datisi]

But i think we should try to sorr out the mechanics prior to flipping pooky

does this mean massclaim? as said i feel like this is breakable (i got to autowin during the night assuming you and umlaut town, but i was going on the assumption that the sk will always attempt to kill... not sure if this is better for them though. we already have 3 towns, even if they don't kill, they should get poed?)

[Datisi]

so... any of the conftowns wanna decide the order?

[Datisi]

Yeah wait this is 1:7 with three confirmed town, we don't actually need a plan more complicated than "yeet the obvious suspect and block/vig the rest"

i mean, if it were "three confirmed town" then yes definitely we're in auto one way or the other. but there's this one in something chance you're a galaxy brain sk (i admit it's extremely small pls don't start yelling at me) and i wanna get all the claims out first, since that potentially does confirm you (i say potentially because we're playing a closed game in the open queue >_>)

[Datisi]

a50 blocked tiger on n1

umlaut claimed the roleblock to save sircakez from getting turboyeeted only for cakez to get yeeted anyway

guys i solve gaem

(i forgot about tiger getting blocked n1 ngl)

if tiger is sk, then who the fuck killed a50 on n1

also am vt

[Datisi]

VT

smh umlaut

[Datisi]

xHeavenx - ???
Datisi - vt
Infinity 324 - ic
PenguinPower - vt
Tigerente - vig
Umlaut - roleblocker
PookyTheMagicalBear - ???
Dwlee99 - vt

if by some miracle pooky is town, he should definitely claim before getting yeeted just so we can finally figure out the fuck is happening with the setup

[Datisi]

i also have ideas for what is most likely, but probably shouldn't talk about it until mass is done.

can't wait to spend all this time theorycrafting only for the game to end once pooky gets the yeet...

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surely no way town can lose this game at this point, right?

VOTE: pooky

y-1.

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i keep trying to think of any possible scenario where we've gone horribly wrong somewhere and we lose the game

if this flips town i'm not gonna be okay

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oh come on, i actually spent time paranoiaing what to do if i end up in an infinity/tiger/umlaut/datisi mylo with umlaut as scum, then i figure out a breaking strategy, and then he fuckin dies and flips town? unbelievable

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so we're in CMVVBBT and the error is that there is no extra 1-shot roleblocker?

anyway, pengu town, gonna wait for tiger to confirm they shot heaven.

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ok fiiiine

VOTE: heaven

still don't want this hammered before tiger checks in

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If heaven flips VT then Tiger must have done a huge brain play to claim vigilante as SK and we kill them next.

with umlaut flipped town roleblocker, that is quite literally impossible. tiger was blocked on n1, and there was still an sk kill. so unless there's a hidden vigilante that killed a50 and *still* didn't claim it, or umlaut decided to lie about blocking tiger for god knows what reason, tiger should be confirmed town here

i realize i wrote "with umlaut flipped town roleblocker" but the above was true as soon as there was only one scum left and umlaut claimed the block, he didn't necessarily have to be flipped, but you get what i mean. i didn't wanna write this out yesterday so that the sk doesn't get the bright idea of claiming 1-shot vig or whatever. though we probably still would've yeeted them but anyway you get what i'm saying this should end with a heaven yeet.

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that is why i spent good 10 minutes before bed last night trying to figure out how to play an infinity/tiger/datisi/scumlaut endgame, only to realize "no yeet, umlaut blocks datisi, tiger shoots umlaut" is guaranteed to result in a town win without infinity/tiger having to actually believe me that i'm the townie and that umlaut is the 9 billion IQ serial killer who decided to claim the block on tiger after somehow figuring out it was the dead scum roleblocker that did it

and by "before bed" i mean i literally wasn't able to fall asleep because i paranoia'd myself into thinking we're in the CMVVTTT world and the error was the godfather

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thanks for the heart attack you ass

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here is my notes pt: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86839

reads could've been better but i'm happy with this outcome

gg, thank for mod

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Datisi’s early hunches ended up kinda good

thank you

sorry bout the shittunnel >_>

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that mod pt was a great read

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oh damn, the thought actually did cross my mind because of the posting style, but i tend to trust people when they say they're new >_>

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i still don't get why you were trying to shoot scum with one scum dead already?

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well, at least you weren't an sk that tries to shoot town and then shoots the deepwolf and then gets themselves yeeted day 2 without doing anything else

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scum pls let me know if you wanna redact anything otherwise I'll release in like 24 hrs

gib scum pt