When did that change then and why?In post 2671, Enchant wrote:No, i believed Gamma is town.
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Thought you wanted to vote me? This is a weird pivot
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This seems like a very incoherent theory. You think pooky and I would literally fight for like 5 hours straight? That seems like overkill to bus don't you think?In post 2691, Dwlee99 wrote:That's why I voted you at first cause there's support on you but I think F&G is scum regardless of Baltar's alignment. And if I'm right there I think we win by flipping you and BaltarYOUR AD HERE
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Pooky is angering you? I'm saying there is a possibility you're pocketing F&G.In post 2696, Andante wrote:I feel like if he were town he'd be like "I appreciate andante reconsidering, I want to hear more" not a flat out, I'm scum trying to pocket him or whatever, like, I don't pocket people angering me in real life...YOUR AD HERE
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This flip reads townie to me. Was about to question why you're voting me when a dwlee vote would make more sense there given what you stated.In post 2700, Andante wrote:VOTE: dwlee
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Huh? What am I fighting you on? Like, you're getting mad at me because I don't have a town read on you and I don't like your AtEs.In post 2704, Andante wrote:
how the heck would pooky be angering me? VP, you're like fighting me on every little thing I say. it's obviously youIn post 2677, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't like enchant on last pageYOUR AD HERE
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I mean, pooky says dumbshit all the time. Doesn't make him scum.In post 2706, Dwlee99 wrote:There's little point in bussing if you're not getting a lot of town cred out of it and Pooky knows that. I know they're at least half full of shit with "VP and Dwlee open wolfing lol" so Pooky is going for at least one mislim hereYOUR AD HERE
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I actually agree with you about dwlee's theory being trash. I can say for a fact I'm not in a fake fight with pooky, and it seems objectively silly to say that if you read it.In post 2709, Andante wrote:I'm not pocketing F&G. they're town, and I will defend. The amount of effort they've put into this?? like when we were talking and they were like "I've been saying this for 2 weeks" or whatever, they have to be so annoyed with half yall, there are so many moments of genuine towniness. Then you have dwlee, who is doing NOTHING. go "It's enchant and pooky. yep. gg gottem" like, did you read anything this game? the "I just replaced in" excuse no longer works, and I don't feel like they've read anythingYOUR AD HERE
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Doesn't pooky try to piss off people though? That's like his whole schtickIn post 2714, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky pissing me off is a hard scum tell, it's really that simpleYOUR AD HERE
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Welcome to my world.In post 2767, Dwlee99 wrote:Jesus fucking christ
I will say, dwlee clowning Pooky and then him just saying "this convo is stupid, bye" is kind of funny.YOUR AD HERE
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Andante, why are you sold on FG as town? There is a world where FG is actually the one pocketing you and spouting dumbshit. For example, FG was wrong on Gamma, FG is wrong about me. They are either playing a bad game or are scum here.
I think dwlee's criticism here, which I agree with, is that you seem very eager to join bad wagons without much consideration of why you're joining them.
You keep telling me that you want me to be more open to you. This is that. Let's have a thoughtful conversation about the actual state of the game instead of just wagoning whatever comes around.YOUR AD HERE
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Term of endearment of course. I count myself the smoothest of brains because I have no solid clue what is going on. Either scum are lurking and letting town fight, or they are actively muddling the waters with bullshit. It's completely confounding.In post 2788, Bingle wrote:
Dude, too far. This is a game, keep it at least some degree of friendly.In post 2785, VP Baltar wrote:Live from smooth brain central! The great scumfuckery ball continues after these messages from our sponsors!YOUR AD HERE
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The way ico flipped back and forth on toog looks extremely unlikely for buddies. It is the strongest negative associates I see in the game, therefore, toog is the most likely to be town in this mess.In post 2790, Fun and Games wrote:why do you trust toogeloo's read on enchant?
Toog is making the argument that we are all overthinking this, and actually enchants scummy hammers are just scummy. It's a valid point, and one I've seen be true.
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I don't think any of those make sense necessarily as the team? FG/Andante seems like they are playing very boldly for having two days left.In post 2793, Bingle wrote:Right, so possibilities.
VP/Dwlee Team
FG/Andante Team
S/S theater, in which case it's probably Dwlee/Andante which just kinda seems bleh
Scum waiting in the wings
Scum is in one of the four and also waiting in the wings
Can each of the four of you make a single teal deer post on the case on the opposite pair so I can try to make sense of whether anyone is intentionally misrepping/blowing things out of proportion?YOUR AD HERE
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Yes, I'm mostly only talking about the actual pairs you name.In post 2797, Bingle wrote:I assume you mean any of the first three, considering the 5 collectively cover literally every possible scumteam in the lobby.YOUR AD HERE
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As far as what I think is most likely is probably one lurker scum and one who is more active. I have a hard time believing today has just been a complete town madness thread. There is too much confusion happening for me to find it completely organicYOUR AD HERE
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What would you call it?In post 2805, Andante wrote:also, I'm not quite sure I'd call what I'm doing with VP pushing lmaoYOUR AD HERE
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Of the waiting in the wings crowd? Probably dwlee or enchant, but I think dwlee has actually looked decent in their exchanges today.In post 2815, Bingle wrote:
So VP thinks this. Which of the 4 do you think is scum?In post 2793, Bingle wrote:Scum is in one of the four and also waiting in the wings
I also have a hard time seeing any of the actives being non-associated with enchant, so that also ups his likelihood ever so slightly.
There's an outside possibility you're coasting scum here, but I'm reserving judgment because you say you're going to catch up now and maybe actually help here.YOUR AD HERE
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Ah OK.In post 2819, Bingle wrote:
Was directed at you, actually, but the 4 was You/Andante/Pookydra/Dwlee. It was meant as the four people I see as getting the most attention.In post 2817, VP Baltar wrote:Of the waiting in the wings crowd? Probably dwlee or enchant, but I think dwlee has actually looked decent in their exchanges today.
I also have a hard time seeing any of the actives being non-associated with enchant, so that also ups his likelihood ever so slightly.
There's an outside possibility you're coasting scum here, but I'm reserving judgment because you say you're going to catch up now and maybe actually help here.
I don't know if I have a clear answer for myself on that. I think pooky's showing in that square off with dwlee was actually pretty bad, but I'm not certain I can trust dwlee either since they have only today really started to engage with people. Obviously, I also think pooky had poor engagement with Gamma and myself. In my case, I can definitely say he was misrepresenting posts intentionally. I still don't have an answer in 100% confidence if he was doing that as town or scum. I was leaning town, but he did the same thing with dwlee in the mathblade exchange and then tried to skulk away when dwlee called him on it.
Andante is extremely opportunistic in her reads and seems to respond to every questioning of her motivations as a scum attack....which is pretty NAI, and reads more like a personality trait to me.YOUR AD HERE
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My theory was that there was a deep wolf scum probably who was very happy with the shit show of D2. I was primarily interested in getting a better read on you and F/G today, because I felt like sorting there was going to help me figure out an overall worldview that fits with Gamma flipping town. I also came in thinking toog and SA were most likely town. Alot of ambiguity though because I felt good on Gamma post the Darby flip.In post 2822, Bingle wrote:What was your theory coming into the day, VP?YOUR AD HERE
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I would say this is intentional. Not that I don't have takes (in fact, I have posted my overall assessment of the player list and my reasoning), but that I am poking people for their views because there have been too many people talking much less than me. I want to find who I can trust and no trust because that's how I personally think towns win. Strong alliances that have been stress tested. Still haven't found that today and that is part of what's making this harder.In post 2826, Bingle wrote:VP is very actively poking people for takes, but doesn't have a lot of his ownYOUR AD HERE
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Pooky had absolutely gone quiet. Skitter was around. You'll notice that is specifically why I was targeting pooky. If they were going to post with split personalities, I wanted to get a feel for both of themIn post 2831, Bingle wrote:
Who do you specifically think fits this paradigm? I'd agree I do specifically today, but I don't think "Skitter/Pooky haven't posted enough" is a rational take and a lot of your pushing for content seems aimed there.In post 2829, VP Baltar wrote:because there have been too many people talking much less than me.YOUR AD HERE
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I've asked questions to all of these people today I believe. We are finally coming down off the pooky shit posting. Only so much time and focus I can give at any moment of the game.In post 2843, Bingle wrote:I don't see you poking Toog/Enchant/DwleeYOUR AD HERE
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I don't think I've interacted with SA at all really today, mostly because I'm not that worried about him.In post 2843, Bingle wrote:Pooky SA and I all had pretty decent chunks of content and I think it's weird that you'd focus on trying to draw attention to people who had been active but slacked off over people who weren't posting at all. Do you have a reason for that?
As to your question, the reason I'm looking at people who were active but then slacked off is that the game state has shifted from not going well for scum to going reasonably well for scum. I'm looking for people who are complacent and happy with the game state. I'm certainly not.YOUR AD HERE
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Do you feel like I'm picking fights with you or personally attacking you? Like what are you saying here? I should be policied because you personally don't like my playstyle?In post 2845, Andante wrote:The more attempts VP makes to try and start something, the more I genuinely don't care what he flips, I don't think I buy a dwlee and vp team, but I also don't tr dwlee at all, I think I tr the wrong stuff about VP, I think I just tr something about his playstyle, the constant attention for picking fights is getting so old so fast, I don't want 10 days of this VP.YOUR AD HERE
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I'm so confused. How am I being harmful to town?In post 2845, Andante wrote:VP is trying to be the most harmful to town,YOUR AD HERE
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JackNicholsonNodding.gifIn post 2855, Bingle wrote:tryhard BingleYOUR AD HERE
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Moderate. That's what is hard. This is how he is in my experiences. Dude loves a tunnel and shit talking. What's your familiarity and viewpoint on his playstyle?In post 2860, Bingle wrote:How familiar are you with pooky as both alignments?YOUR AD HERE
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You come across more townish to me than pooky, which is helping the overall read of your slot be more lean town.In post 2864, Fun and Games wrote:
hi what do u think of my headIn post 2644, VP Baltar wrote:Fun and Games - null to townish. Still think Pooky is making very opportunistic points and bad faith arguments, but he's sort of being the same asshat he was in Hidden Temple. I still don't like him lurking until I called him out and voted, but after much prying, I find the explanation believable enough.
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I could be down, but can you tell me the bullet points of why?In post 2866, Fun and Games wrote:
how would u feel abt wagoning dwlee?In post 2644, VP Baltar wrote:Dwlee99 - very hard to read since Not Mafia posted like himself, and Dwlee is low efforting as well. Null to scumish.
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- I was on Darby briefly D1, but true that I wasn't on there EOD.In post 2872, Fun and Games wrote:- never ended up on the ico wagon
- tried to divert multiple times away from the ico wagon (made a dunn push, made a sa push that he's now negating the importance of, shaded a50 for moving wagon momentum from gamma to darby)
- his initial push on us this phase was gross, and was basically shade without explaining why any of what he was actually calling us out for was scum indicative
- now he's trying to largely shade/ignore pooky's points
- I've responded to all these at length and why I think they are weak points within the context of the day. I'd rather not keep going over this if your slot isn't going to acknowledge or consider the responses given.
- that's like, your opinion
- what points? Pooky failed to say anything new throughout our fight, often requoting the same posts and then acting like he was making a new point. I've fully responded to every point of substance he made, to which he failed to address my rebuttals and simply restated the same points. Please point me specifically to things you want me to respond to that I have not already.YOUR AD HERE
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Sure, I can totally see why that point was made and I'm not even mad.In post 2897, Fun and Games wrote:
for me i'ts calling out a50 + trying to herd people back to the gamma wagon (1979, for example)In post 2477, VP Baltar wrote:If you're town, that seems like an understandable analysis. I know it's incorrect, but I guess I can see where you'd be suspicious. Still think you could have answered my question at the start of the day instead of ghosting me or being obtuse about it.
In response to the point you're making, I don't think it'd be a wise play for me as scum there to make a stink about A50 ditching, especially since he is semi-erratic as a player. Seems like a play that is unlikely to get him to flip back to Gamma and the safer play would have been to just shut up or join the flop to a bus in a VP!scum world.
yes, it's possible that you just had a bad read, but since darby was scum and you were trying to push the cw, it looks p suspicious to me
i don't really care so much abt the chainsaw-ing bit, and i'm not sure i give that super much weight
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However, like I've already stated, it's a pretty silly accusation when 1)I am a decent player as scum and would rarely be so obvious 2) there would have been little material value for me to try hard to save Darby at E-1. (Sorry darby) he was not some strong player I would have felt attached to, and I haven't been afraid to bus as scum historically when necessary.
Obviously, I can understand if your position is still VP!scum, but I think it'd be a pretty big fuck up play by me there and it's assuming pretty low level play on my part.
Also, why would I want kills of datisi (who was fairly friendly with me EOD1,) and A50...the very person you are saying I tried to coax into a miselim? If it was the conscious effort pooky is accusing, killing him right after the gamma kill wouldn't make a lot of sense.YOUR AD HERE
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You misrepping him the same you misrepped me is a possibility.
I'm still waiting for those bullet points i asked for on dwlee scum if you want me to vote there.YOUR AD HERE
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Do what's necessary to win. If bussing is the right play, I have zero remorse about it. Often a good bus on D1 is a path to a much easier late game as scumIn post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- how do you generally feel about bussing?YOUR AD HERE
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I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.In post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?YOUR AD HERE
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Dwlee and NM had very little content before today.In post 2929, Fun and Games wrote:is my treatment of dwlee the only thing in your read of them?
Again, what are you reading them on? What are you reading them on outside of today and their enchant vote?
Tell me the case. I'm genuinely listening.YOUR AD HERE
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I never stated I have a townread on them.In post 2933, Fun and Games wrote:i am asking you if you have a good reason to TOWNREAD THEMYOUR AD HERE
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Lol well if I stated my read on the slot is null to possible scum, you do the fucking math.In post 2937, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I AM ASKING YOU A SIMPLE FUCKING YES OR NO QUESTION YOU SLIMEBALL
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Look, my greatest fear here is like an enchant-SA or Bingle team here and they are laughing their butts off at today.In post 2943, Andante wrote:Just like the ammount of effort VP is actually putting into this, makes me feel like VP could be town as wellYOUR AD HERE
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Can you just tell me why I should vote him?In post 2949, Fun and Games wrote:ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me
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From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?
I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.YOUR AD HERE
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As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.In post 2951, Fun and Games wrote:
i don't think these 2 thinsg are related to each other at all, the fact that you pushed a50 doesn't preclude yuou from killing him ...?In post 2931, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm saying that if the questioning a50 about his ditch od the gamma wagon is nearly as crucial of an element to scum!VP's D1 game, then it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to want to kill him N2 right after a Gamma flip, since that'd be putting these cards directly on the table.In post 2925, Fun and Games wrote:- i'm not arguing that you were trying to misflip a50, where are you getting that from?
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I'm just assuming replacement at this point......In post 2960, Bingle wrote:I could stand to hear from toogYOUR AD HERE
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In post 2954, VP Baltar wrote:Can you just tell me why I should vote them?YOUR AD HERE
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Think a few things moved. Mostly interested where it is om dwleeIn post 2966, Bingle wrote:
I don’t think anyone has been voting for a while.In post 2957, VP Baltar wrote:What'd the vote count even at?YOUR AD HERE
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Pookys argument is the that the a50 event was a crucial play by me where i was trying to hammer home a Gamma misyeet.In post 2971, Fun and Games wrote:
Can u explain this again, i'm not following?In post 2955, VP Baltar wrote:As scum you absolutely think about blowback and optics of a kill. At least I do.
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I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.YOUR AD HERE
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VOTE: dwleeIn post 2969, Fun and Games wrote:
They're the only person i feel like i yave no reason to townread, and their scumread on us is laughably bad, and given that you're not townreading them either i'm not sure ehy you're reluctantIn post 2954, VP Baltar wrote:
Can you just tell me why I should vote him?In post 2949, Fun and Games wrote:ig vp what pooky is thinking (and what i think too) is that you don't have any reasons to townread dwlee, but you're at the same time reluctant to vote there, and it looks partner-y to me
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From my perspective, I'm just being badgered to vote a slot for ~handwaving~ by a slot I'm not certain is town. How then hell are you making associatives on a slot that hasn't flipped?
I'm not being unreasonable just asking for your thought process on dwlee.
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There ya go.YOUR AD HERE
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Feeling he is town and KNOWING he is town are different, and you know thatIn post 2979, Bingle wrote:
Do you think anyone doubted A50 town post D1?In post 2976, VP Baltar wrote:I'm saying that if I'm scum, me killing a50 and revealing his alignment to the town would be a suboptimal play if I was scum. It would invite blowback and criticism against me, when there were many other kills presumably that would not.YOUR AD HERE
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Dwlee said FG & I were scum busing each other and then voted enchant.In post 2980, Andante wrote:Question for yall cause you read the game, was Dwlee pushing F&G as scum? is that what started the pages of whatnot?YOUR AD HERE
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