Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: marcistar
She's a superstar

[SirCakez]

the worst being the worst as always

[SirCakez]

My magic 8 ball says Marci is town thus I must move my vote
VOTE: beat
Not a great entrance

[SirCakez]

Skitter start the wagon with me

[SirCakez]

How is the worst so obviously town it hurts

[SirCakez]

The Setup is designed around a Mafia lim always being more powerful than a town lim. Shooting for mafia every day is for the best

Ahh yes in Mafia we try to eliminate scum. Beat with the strats.

[SirCakez]

i'm gonna engage witht his game with the worst possible posting style probably but the important thing is to get away from the posting style of a dead bass that was caught from an artificial lake and driven home to be cooked but the fisher passed by and A&W restaurant when she had to reroute for a wreck and A&W's are sooo raaaare so she stopped and had a borgar then continued home but it was hard to remember a type of food in her trunk when her tummy was full so she went to bed and the fish spoiled

86 reads like scum stream of consciousness more than town stream of consciousness to me. It feels like the possibility that Cakez is faking unawareness of the gamestate is being seriously considered and presented as content, even though that's actually an extremely rare thing (and beat is some flavor of seasoned). I think town would more firmly reject including the possibility with any prominence after making a felt-judgment to just rule it out (especially if the final conclusion is green); scum!beat however has an incentive to present it as content because it's not impossible for it to happen in a mafia game and it's reasoning process for developing a read

These posts are so over the top that it just reads to me like Isis is trying to replicate her town meta

VOTE: isis

[SirCakez]

Also as the resident skitter apologist she is probably town this game as well given two mind melds already

[SirCakez]

These posts are so over the top that it just reads to me like Isis is trying to replicate her town meta

similar vein as what I just posted - why do you think scum!Isis would be so over the top you could catch her off of it just 4-5 pages into the game? doesn't that seem unlikely?

Maybe she thought she would get town reads for it? It seems pretty straightforward why do scum do anything? Usually to get town reads

[SirCakez]

meh I think some of that "too much defending" feeling is cause Meuh was saying my post sucked and challenging me on why I was asking Cakez about it, but fair enough

I do think Cakez townreading you is also bad yah, I would think after years of playing this game he would not be so trusting

Isis, meh 144 felt like it was just giving a random read rather than meant to push the game any sort of which way from it so I care less about it.

the main reason I focused on Meuh though was what I tried to show in my quoted posts, she disagrees and pushes back on your Beat read but then just goes "skitter town " immediately afterwards despite you doubling down on it

I'm pretty good at reading skitter so I feel okay dropping a read earlier

[SirCakez]

I have a secret hot take that I want to keep in the oven for now it may be too spicy

[SirCakez]

Gamma page 12 put me to sleep

VOTE: gamma

[SirCakez]

wtf 5??

my loyal sheep are making me doubt that theyre all loyal..

If it helps I didn't even realize you were voting Gamma I think their posts on page 12 were so bad they deserve a vote regardless

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Meuh good call tbh, fast and loose is a much better play than slow and steady

Of the Meuh votes I like this one the least

(See? I don't have to make jokes, I could have said this one is the worst)

wtf 5??

my loyal sheep are making me doubt that theyre all loyal..

If it helps I didn't even realize you were voting Gamma I think their posts on page 12 were so bad they deserve a vote regardless

Her

Thanks gotcha Isis

[SirCakez]

Ugh I want a tiara
Also traveling today won't really be around

[SirCakez]

Okay wait I skimmed the last few pages omggggg

[SirCakez]

Hi i haz arrived

[SirCakez]

The worst is town y'all better have a good reason for wagoning them

[SirCakez]

Okay also I can drop my spicy take from earlier it's that GL vs Meuh was a TvT slap fight

[SirCakez]

wtf 5??

my loyal sheep are making me doubt that theyre all loyal..

If it helps I didn't even realize you were voting Gamma I think their posts on page 12 were so bad they deserve a vote regardless

I don't really think Gamma's posts were that bad

and I don't like the phrasing of "deserve a vote", makes it kinda sound like your motivation is to punish Gamma for 'bad' posts more than you actually think Gamma is more likely to be scum

It's just my way of speaking obviously I'm not trying to "punish" Gamma I just mean it was scummy enough to be worth voting for pressure

[SirCakez]

why meuh town?

humour me too why do you townread GL?

Cuz GL coming in to question the Gamma wagon was town regardless of Gammas alignment and I liked that Meuh went to bat over it with GL when they could have let it go

[SirCakez]

why meuh town?

humour me too why do you townread GL?

However I still just think Gamma is scum and have no idea why that wagon collapsed

[SirCakez]

why meuh town?

humour me too why do you townread GL?

Ugh I want a tiara
Also traveling today won't really be around

i know you said you wanted a tiara... but ur just underestimating ur own worth...

so i made u a lil sumn...



ur a whole queen sis!!

i made it black and white to represent ur current pfp, and the fact that if ur scum ull be dead very soon because im amazing at catching scum <:

Woaw

[SirCakez]

Also Beat is still scum and I'd definitely go back to that wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cakez
continues to assert I'm scum but refuses to substantiate it in the slightest

Shush In getting to you I'm finishing reading up

[SirCakez]

The latter I later decided was AI as I imagined it came up in ISOing me which scum could do but I wouldnt expect it that early.

this feels like kind of a reach, how do you know he ISO'd you instead of just quick replying to a random post he thought he could jump on?

They also have been fairly consistent all around and not manipulative in my opinion.

I disagree with this one, I feel saying Isis was "

so

" over the top was embellishment and his reasoning on Gamma being "put me to sleep" (330) and "posts deserve a vote" (336) is all language meant to manipulate people's posts into sounding 'bad' without detailing why Cakez actually believes they're alignment indicative.

who do you think might be scum in addition to Meuh? I see a lot of townreads coming from you but not a lot of directed pressure at players

It seems pretty straightforward how "put me to sleep" is bad? It means I think Gamma is posting fluff and useless stuff instead of doing real scumhunting

VOTE: cakez
continues to assert I'm scum but refuses to substantiate it in the slightest

Shush In getting to you I'm finishing reading up

how did you know I asked before?

Because while reading I keep seeing you ambiguously dropping me in your scum reads so I obv know what you were gonna do

[SirCakez]

Let's look at Gamma pre wagon from pages 10-12

i dont understand this setup

but it seems optimal to me to simply elim 2 townies

and then win by nailing a mafia

i need to volunteers for a magic trick btw

why do you think this is the optimal strat?

Setup question

I shall proceed as though marci as town

Same

actually tho i og missed this post, but now i wanna ask the both of you

why?

you have happy-chill vibes
and not: ugh i hate being here and have to post vibes

this seems like accurate marci meta

Nothingpost

GAMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

hello

Nothingpost

it's happening again and I'm really sad

what is

Nothingpost

Beat is probably the closest thing i have to a real scumread tbh

how so

Skitter has some good vibes so far, townread there!

think I agree

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

y did u vote me here?

Asking why she was voted

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

Kinda feel GL is town for this

Unexplained one liner

whats ur thoughts on the worst

no thoughts head empty
He’s like a late-game sort for me most times

Avoiding giving a read on The Worst

This stuff is just nothing. Basically content less. We all know Gamma can do way more than this. It was total coast posting.

[SirCakez]

I struggle to understand how anyone could look at that stretch of posting and go yeah Gamma is town here

[SirCakez]

Why haven't we limmed Gamma yet

[SirCakez]

It's interesting that 7/12 ITDNHTBMSUGE (individuals that do not happen to be mafia scum user gamma emerald) have voted for him thus far. The way votes have gone on and off fast makes this not particularly indicative of her being a townie, though, imo

can you finish the thought for me, why does it make her unlikely to be a townie?

Something I've touched on earlier when I was talking to Titus, scum are unlikely to bus in this setup imo. and with one person getting 7/12 votes, there's likely some scum voting there
But like I also said earlier, the way votes have moved around makes me feel like this is less town indicative than it normally would since Gamma's wagon got stopped in its tracks as fast as it started

Yes they aren't sticking. There are prob distancing votes but no scum buddy is gonna actually let that wagon go through for setup reasons.

[SirCakez]

Is it weird to think the whole RP/shit posting group of worst, Ari, Meuh and Marci is town???

[SirCakez]

Like my reads keep not changing because I keep seeing townie stuff from my town reads and scummy stuff from my scum reads and it feels weird

[SirCakez]

Gamma challenged me on my scumread of her and then proceeded to completely ignore when I dropped a post explaining my reasoning

[SirCakez]

I'm pretty good at reading skitter so I feel okay dropping a read earlier

Uh since when?
(Perpetual elo ?)

Since I watched you get screwed over in Tenet as the mod

[SirCakez]

Isis feels to me that she is just taking the positions in the game state that are most advantageous to her rather then actually scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Gamma this is where I dropped my read explanation

Let's look at Gamma pre wagon from pages 10-12

i dont understand this setup

but it seems optimal to me to simply elim 2 townies

and then win by nailing a mafia

i need to volunteers for a magic trick btw

why do you think this is the optimal strat?

Setup question

I shall proceed as though marci as town

Same

actually tho i og missed this post, but now i wanna ask the both of you

why?

you have happy-chill vibes
and not: ugh i hate being here and have to post vibes

this seems like accurate marci meta

Nothingpost

GAMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

hello

Nothingpost

it's happening again and I'm really sad

what is

Nothingpost

Beat is probably the closest thing i have to a real scumread tbh

how so

Skitter has some good vibes so far, townread there!

think I agree

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

y did u vote me here?

Asking why she was voted

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

Kinda feel GL is town for this

Unexplained one liner

whats ur thoughts on the worst

no thoughts head empty
He’s like a late-game sort for me most times

Avoiding giving a read on The Worst

This stuff is just nothing. Basically content less. We all know Gamma can do way more than this. It was total coast posting.

[SirCakez]

Isis feels to me that she is just taking the positions in the game state that are most advantageous to her rather then actually scumhunting

Why can't it be that town!Isis thinks skitter is mafia?

it just feels too convenient. same as how she suddenly has found a scumread on me when I became the counter to Gamma.

[SirCakez]

I feel like Cakez has too many reads that all dropped at once, feels more like press releases from a PR team than a solo journalist you dig

like huh??? what does this even mean?

Is it weird to think the whole RP/shit posting group of worst, Ari, Meuh and Marci is town???

I feel like this might be valid
but I think (having thought over his read explanation on me) he should be thinking about me differently
me having a weak start is a towntell for me I'd say. Even in games where I don't go full-force as scum early, I still try to make sure things go my way as fast as possible.

since when? usually I'm able to get a read on you pretty fast one way or the other.

[SirCakez]

HIGH FIVE!!!!!

skitter & isis' conversation feels earnest.

probably not a lot? i just feel like the way both of them are approaching this conversation feels earnest!

okay and what's your conclusion from that...

yes and i think that's scummy, and is fairly typical of your scumgame
(or at least, what i believe it to be)

see for me its hard to call one of the RPers scummy when like four people are all doing the same thing so idk how its scum indicative for any one of them

ohno is cakez gamma an xor

i hate those

what does this mean?

[SirCakez]

TUF is such a LHF wagon not interested at all rn

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Aristeia
Having thought about it some more her seeming confidence on me does not mesh with the seeming wish she has to hide behind marci. In mini 2226 she was not shy about taking responsibility for her mistakes. But here it feels like she’s afraid to actually make that move. That seems to point her being scum not wanting blame to fall on her shoulders.

this vote feels pretty forced
like Gamma went through a whole ass conversation with Ari about her development as a player and then just landed here anyways. it feels like bad faith.

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

What are the camps?
Who's refusing to get on wagons?

I like this skitter post bc it's a town mindset that I have. like I'm always digging into ambiguous accusations like this.

The camps are largely who would vote Cakey and who would vote Gamma. There's little overlap which strategically means one of those two should be the lim but it goes against my reads.

I don't think this is true at all

hey all, apologies for my absence yesterday was a busy work day, I haven't read up but I will have some time to play this afternoon + tonight, looked at the latest two VCs and I'm definitely perplexed by the worst moving off of a leading Gamma wagon to a vanity Fruit vote, feel like even without reading anything I can tell that's not a game advancing move so I want to look into why he made that switch

I'm also aware my vote is no longer doing anything so when I catch up I'll be trying to decide whether I like any of Gamma/Beat/Ari wagons enough to join

stay tuned for me playing in ~5-6 hours or so

goodpost.tm

[SirCakez]

TUF is such a LHF wagon not interested at all rn

what will it take to make u use a sundress icon

idk if I get a good one

[SirCakez]

this game feels so stale guys
i'm so over this day 1 already

[SirCakez]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm actually a little worried abt cakez too >.>

Why bc i agreed with ur post?

[SirCakez]

this game feels so stale guys
i'm so over this day 1 already

Why would anyone wagon TUF

TUF wagon would not improve anything lol

[SirCakez]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm actually a little worried abt cakez too >.>

Why bc i agreed with ur post?

are you actually surprised your post seemed like a scumpost cause like
it did

Why didn't u say anything yourself then?

[SirCakez]

Stoned Cakez will be rolling in with hot takes soon...

[SirCakez]

mmmm Radiohead...

[SirCakez]

Lmaoooo weeding out the mafia

[SirCakez]

Get it guys

[SirCakez]

Takes on walnuts?

[SirCakez]

Ok I'm back and unstoned lol

[SirCakez]

Even if u think my case for Gamma scum doesn't hold water I still don't even see a reason to townread her

[SirCakez]

Honestly the fact that skitter is paranoid I'm agreeing with so many of her posts just makes me townread her even more

[SirCakez]

Titus could definitely be scum
I have so many townreads and not many scumreads and so my small pile of question marks is leaning more scum for me

[SirCakez]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
Here I want to give Gamma space for five minutes

[SirCakez]

Titus posting on page 57-58 feels really forced

[SirCakez]

I'm thinking Beat Pav Gamma at the moment.

And this is literally the three easiest scumreads in the game
(Yes yes I know I have two of the same ones but that's why I'm moving elsewhere bc I'm worried that the fact the wagons have been the same all day means we are wrong somewhere)

[SirCakez]

I don't like how we have another wagon that is just two votes away from being a hammer, The only reason as of now why I don't see the Hammer ending so soon is if either at least two mafia are voting bean, or they don't wanna get someone killed immediately. either way I don't like this vote, I honestly don't like any of the votes that have come stupidly close to a Hammer, Like Gamma's

This post is so bad

[SirCakez]

I don't want to L-1 Beat yet

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
Here I want to give Gamma space for five minutes

Why isn't 1537 a beat vote?

Why are my recent posts any good cause that sounds political, I don't think I'm dying this phase and that wasn't as clear when I was supposedly suspicious

Your posting feels way more natural then it did early game
Like I can actually buy you posting these things as town

[SirCakez]

Pavowski isn't that easy a wagon only like one other person besides Titus really lifted that torch

I'm calling it easy cuz Pav's been V/LA all game and hardly offered anything

[SirCakez]

There are 2 days left and nm isn't in the game why are you afraid of your scumreads getting hammered

Because like I just said I want to recheck some reads right now because I'm worried we've been stuck on the same people all day.

[SirCakez]

Even if u think my case for Gamma scum doesn't hold water I still don't even see a reason to townread her

this is scum!cakez 100%
this sort of squicky dodge is something I can't recall ever seeing from town!him
he just shuts out any and all counter-argument to his read on me, that's not how town sorts, that's scum pushing a miselim

Huh?
If literally anyone actually did a counter argument I'd be interested
Also I unvoted you for space so this is just ridiculous

[SirCakez]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

I also find it weird that your reads don't seem too far from mine but you're not reconsidering me or trying to sort me more directly
the extent of your efforts to sort me has been one wall of posts you called scummy that are not at all scum-indicative.

How are our reads similar

[SirCakez]

Even if u think my case for Gamma scum doesn't hold water I still don't even see a reason to townread her

this is scum!cakez 100%
this sort of squicky dodge is something I can't recall ever seeing from town!him
he just shuts out any and all counter-argument to his read on me, that's not how town sorts, that's scum pushing a miselim

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

I also find it weird that your reads don't seem too far from mine but you're not reconsidering me or trying to sort me more directly
the extent of your efforts to sort me has been one wall of posts you called scummy that are not at all scum-indicative.

I'm fine with Beat elim ftr
Titus is still floundering around tho and I don't like it

[SirCakez]

What's wrong with voting Titus?

[SirCakez]

What's wrong with voting Titus?

I have a gut TR on her

Ok and ur mad at me for SRing her when your read is gut? Does not compute

[SirCakez]

Bleurgh

[SirCakez]

Sorry I posted bleurgh earlier and got interrupted mid catch-up

[SirCakez]

I will say I feel like certain there is at least one scum in the Gamma/Isis/Titus club like the way that day 1 went was so scuffed

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma to open going back here

[SirCakez]

It shouldn’t be that hard if you’re forming that sort of theory
VOTE: Isis
Feels like you’re trying to force a miselim on me.

This reaction was so gross, it feels super forced

[SirCakez]

i think theres a good chance we just lose if we flip me here but i dont really have a lot of energy this game because I am confused by whats going on so if you need me to flip to solve then it's w/e - I'm fine with it.

This is obviously town wtf

[SirCakez]

marcistar's treatment of the fruit slot has been super bizarre and makes me feel like she knows he's town

Can you elaborate on this point bc I don't get it

[SirCakez]

Hey Cakez, you want to get me back in the game? Let's discuss your reads. A readwall from anyone would help.

I don't know what I can do for you because I'm just as out of it and my reads are trash

[SirCakez]

Okay yeah I still just want to kill Gamma lol

[SirCakez]

It's just mafia lol vote who you think is scum

[SirCakez]

Does Cakez sound upset at the number of TRs I have?

huh?

marcistar's treatment of the fruit slot has been super bizarre and makes me feel like she knows he's town

Can you elaborate on this point bc I don't get it

elaborated later if this is a post by post catchup

yeah I did see it tbh I'm still kinda confused but I can see your thought process so w/e

GL/Pavowski/Fruit ggez

this would be an epic meme team lol

Are these the posts of someone trying to solve the game? Or are these the posts of someone trying to follow active townies while giving off the impression of genuinely scumreading the same people as them.

I kinda feel like I was the main factor in Beat getting limmed? Like I definitely swayed Ari onto it and was the main one pushing it in the 48 hours leading up to the deadline?

who do you think were the active townies I was sheeping? most of the active people at end of yesterday (Ari, Gamma, Isis)

followed

me onto Beat

your characterization of the game doesn't really fit my experience here

I also don't think I'm "disconnected", other than just being absent this weekend

hmmmm does scum!GL actively point to himself as the main culprit for the Beat wagon? probably not no?

I feel like I haven't seen marci produce actual #Reads TM or #Content TM in quite some time, ever since she got the early townreads really - like to everyone else reading this post, ask yourself if you can recall off the top of your head what marci's view of the game is here

a strong point tbh

VOTE: Marcistar

A VCA case...my heart's gone.

if Marci is scum this feels like a distancing/bus vote sooo hard

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus her content for all of today has been so bad I haven't seen any passion from her at all

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Marci One I need to place my vote on someone, two looking back at D1 I wasn't really feeling marci's plays

This is pretty weaksauce

[SirCakez]

I'm not sure that I would be comfortable voting Isis anymore.

What changed?

[SirCakez]

just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

This feels pretty fake..

[SirCakez]

I'm not sure that I would be comfortable voting Isis anymore.

just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

I can't even remember a Pav post I've had him at null forever so ya would vote there

[SirCakez]

just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

This feels pretty fake..

elim me then......

do it do it

VOTE: marci she is scum 4 sure

[SirCakez]

just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

This feels pretty fake..

elim me then......

do it do it

I think I was wrong earlier and Isis is town
I forgot if I mentioned that earlier

[SirCakez]

yugh i fell behind again
Catch-up tonight...maybe stoned...

[SirCakez]

HEAL: Ari thisisfine

[SirCakez]

can we just vote isis is anybody interested in joining me on that

Isis isn't scum lol

[SirCakez]

bc Marci is pulling a scum Marci and scum Marci needs a snappening

[SirCakez]

I just wanna say this plist makes me happy

VOTE: Guiltylion

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I think of posts like this and I think this is good analysis of Meuh

But then

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Not engaging with my response to GL’s argument at all, not asking me any questions to try sorting me, just echoing what’s already been said.
You have more experience playing with me (and a more accurate history of reading me) than GL and you’ve already seen Marci’s D1 tonal reads on me be very wrong.
The fact you’re willing to just go along with this push and rely on Marci/GL would be more understandable if we had never played together.
But here, I think it’s pretty telling.

I think this is fair and I sense there may be opportunism in the Meuh votes so I'm gonna trust my gut for the moment and see where this goes

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: Gamma

this feels like a good place to start

VOTE: Fruit

all four (4) of Pavowski's votes this game

I don't see how someone looks at this and thinks "yeah this guy is trying to eliminate scum"

Could def lim Pav based on this

[SirCakez]

I just wanna say this plist makes me happy

VOTE: Guiltylion

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I think of posts like this and I think this is good analysis of Meuh

But then

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Not engaging with my response to GL’s argument at all, not asking me any questions to try sorting me, just echoing what’s already been said.
You have more experience playing with me (and a more accurate history of reading me) than GL and you’ve already seen Marci’s D1 tonal reads on me be very wrong.
The fact you’re willing to just go along with this push and rely on Marci/GL would be more understandable if we had never played together.
But here, I think it’s pretty telling.

I think this is fair and I sense there may be opportunism in the Meuh votes so I'm gonna trust my gut for the moment and see where this goes

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: Gamma

this feels like a good place to start

VOTE: Fruit

all four (4) of Pavowski's votes this game

I don't see how someone looks at this and thinks "yeah this guy is trying to eliminate scum"

I'm not really interested in the Fruit wagon
I like fruit ya know? Like bananas and apples

[SirCakez]

bc Marci is pulling a scum Marci and scum Marci needs a snappening

How is this Marci’s scum play?
And I called it snappy because it felt like you leaped to the “important” part rather than organically reading

Because she's just flailing about and not really trying to scumhunt just being all woe is me elim me

[SirCakez]

Fruit just seems like LHF and possibly a scum driven wagon I just don't really see that having a high chance of flipping scum

[SirCakez]

also each of gamma, marci, TUF have played various cards of "I don't care if I'm limmed", self-voting, AtE about being suspected or pressured to give reads. Pav less so but there was a post at some point where he was like "if my flip helps the game so be it", and this attitude from the suspects has kinda furthered apathy because I think what people want most of all is just for these slots to try harder and they're all kinda refusing and maintaining the air of surface-level-scumminess while not giving much by way of real content that would help discern them further

This for sure and it's kinda why I'm just like queen Ari pick one of these scumbutts for us to lim please

Like I don't feel we can develop much more without a flip at this point we've been going in circles for days

[SirCakez]

Okay yay let's kill Marci now ya?

[SirCakez]

[2] The Ugly Fruit: Pavowski, marcistar

Yeah lol

VOTE: marci

[SirCakez]

Mmmm is Meuh the last scum? Or Faker? Hrghh

[SirCakez]

If Coral or Skitter is scum I'm literally gonna quit mafia

[SirCakez]

also good chance he might quit mafia tbh lol

SHUSH

[SirCakez]

[2] The Ugly Fruit: Pavowski, marcistar

Yeah lol

VOTE: marci

Tgtbt though?

Wut?

[SirCakez]

None of the townreads with her come with reasoning iirc (in most recent memory was cakez who rarely provides reasoning so idk)

I just think Skitter exhibits a different tone and play style as scum that I have not seen here. And she's attacked a lot more as town bc scum like to mislim her

[SirCakez]

I liked Fakers entrance and I was kinda pulling back on Gamma already before she left so I'm at Marci/Meuh right now

[SirCakez]

I don't leash myself to Gamma Emerald's posting ever because I strongly believe that he literally does not know how to play the game. I have a 5 year record of believing this, and skitter witnessed it firsthand in Slaughter Hour.

For further context, in something like 9/10 games of opposing alignments, I had a 100% record on reading Gamma

on Day 1

and a 100% record on getting him to townread me as scum.

His scum posting was so bad in one Micro that it instantly flipped my read on my (wrong) strongest TR to my strongest SR, which won the game outright. I flagged for him that he had a bad habit of putting his entire mafiateam in the scumpile across a good 4/5 games and he proceeded to do it again for another two. In Slaughter Hour, he had to force me out of the game and make a public display of breaking the "No outside communication" rule to salvage his slot.

People misread him, it does happen, and I especially know that some people unfamiliar with him get baited by his tone into miselimming him. Do I ever in a million years count on players reading scum-Gamma as town? Not in a million years.

This is just a townpost

[SirCakez]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

Cakez, when did your marci read change and what posts caused the change?

Like ages ago it was yesterday when she stopped doing things iirc

[SirCakez]

I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.

I really think its meuh, this just seems so scummy to me

Basically this + my PoE has led me to Marci + Meuh

[SirCakez]

Also I'm trying to figure out where scum were on the Beat wagon

[SirCakez]

I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.

I really think its meuh, this just seems so scummy to me

Basically this + my PoE has led me to Marci + Meuh

Any interest in joining me on meuh? I think the case on her is p compelling
(And i'm still a little uncertain abt marci)

If not Marci who is the other scum?

[SirCakez]

Meuh why aren't u voting for skitter if u think she's so scummy?

[SirCakez]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

Cakez, when did your marci read change and what posts caused the change?

Like ages ago it was yesterday when she stopped doing things iirc

Can you be more specific, please?

not really? there's not like one post where I was like "ya marci is scum here." she just stopped making good posts.

Like it's somehat confusing to me how the conclusion here is: this is indicative of partners with pav

I'm also baffled why if i'm scum with pav i:

Insist there's scum in pav/marci/gamma/tuf
Resist the marci wagon for a while
Eventually join the pav one (as one od the first votes)
And then just sit there till hammer without trying to get any other wagons?

So i'm purposefully trying to bus him
Why again?

Pedit i dont think that was my argument at all?

ya skitts is not scum here

definitely not a fan of 3261 feels like Meuh is trying to fit skitter's posts into a box world where she is scum when she seems pretty transparently town to me? and like Meuh even acknowledges some of skitter's points are fair but just sort of handwaves them away.

I think Meuh going all in on you means she escapes if she's scum and you're town like 99/100 times?

I agree with this and I kinda feel like this makes meuh more likely scum

what even is the use of keeping me around..

this shit is so fake like c'mon!

[SirCakez]

which is completely nonsensical on several fronts here.

how? I had a tone town read on worst like all game.

[SirCakez]

meuh who do you have as the other scum besides skitter?

[SirCakez]

I haven't looked at links between them, no. I might if one of them flips scum but my SRs are independent of each other rn.

[SirCakez]

not really? there's not like one post where I was like "ya marci is scum here." she just stopped making good posts.

do u even care why or r u just gonna keep drilling the same point over and over again

why? say it then

I guess that comment makes sense if Cakez is assuming scum will escape instead of being limmed today? or did he just forget that limming scum today is autowin? is that more likely to come from town?

I want that post to be a slip in one direction or the other but I don't know if it intuitively makes sense to me which direction it'd be AI

derp I did forget that
I literally always forget setup intricacies I was the game-losing mislim once because of it...

[SirCakez]

I townread worst, Ari, Meuh, Marci, skitter, GL
Scumread Gamma and Beat for sure, Titus is sliding in here and I had Isis as scum but I haven't hated her recent posts
Leaving me with the question marks of Pav, TUF

like this is Cakez first actual mention of Pav and it's 62 pages into the game

ya because I forgot he was in the game LOL

[SirCakez]

v/la through monday

Again :/

[SirCakez]

Cakez why are you prioritizing marci over meuh again?

I'm just more certain she is scum than Meuh
Meuh has an outside chance of being town, ig

[SirCakez]

@Gamma I do think Fruit is scum, it was like a half-jokey comment. Sorry. The issue is that I also don’t think my read on him is very compelling because it’s coming from a perspective of the game that most people don’t have. (I townread most players)
My read on Fruit is more of a gamestate read than a Fruit read and I don’t find his ISO particularly compelling

PEdit: VOTE: The Ugly Fruit

This vote is so ass and probably my biggest reason to SR meuh esp because TUF was the counter to pav

[SirCakez]

Fwiw my current guess is meuh + coral

Huh? Why coral?

[SirCakez]

if we follow the pavo rule

could the fact that nobody has even tried to murder Sir Cakes mean he has to be an uninvited guest?

I'm like second from the top of the kill list apparently lol

[SirCakez]

Again still 0 interest in voting Coral that shit is just obviously town

[SirCakez]

The worsts interactions right before repping out were so genuine. I can't believe he faked those.

[SirCakez]

Define try to kill me

[SirCakez]

If Marci is town then one of skitter or Faker is scum and fuck me if I know who it is

[SirCakez]

If Marci is town then one of skitter or Faker is scum and fuck me if I know who it is

Isn't skitter much more townread by you than Faker?

Yes but it seems like a lot of other people think it's her

[SirCakez]

i don't owe anyone more of my time than i'm willing to give. end of discussion.

holy fuck i am so sick of you

i have a life and things happening in the real world. i've completed a house move and am in the busiest work month of my year. i have friends and hobbies and other things going on. i also have other hobbies and things online. i am going to dedicate the time i can afford to dedicate to this game, and no more. i'm past the point in my mafia career where i value tilting and spamming up a game more highly than i value my own stress management & mental health.

you implying that my pushing you isn't valid because i'm not putting more time into the game is really baffling.

@Faker these posts were what I was looking at re The Worst

[SirCakez]

Like it seems like genuine tilting

[SirCakez]

I'm down to policy Cakez for continuing to push marci

Spoiler:

Yeah not questioning his stance on Marci after she drops her most substantial content in a while is ???
Even if he kept pushing, if he engaged with that post whatsoever it'd feel less bad

When did this happen lol

[SirCakez]

Ohhhh 3491 I thought Coral posted that for some reason <.<
I blame the anime avatars

[SirCakez]

Skitter are you scum
Be honest

[SirCakez]

Ohhhh 3491 I thought Coral posted that for some reason <.<
I blame the anime avatars

Ok I wanna see if Marci actually follows up on this or goes back to blah land

VOTE: meuh

[SirCakez]

Andante replaces The Ugly Fruit.

Woaw

[SirCakez]

Again still 0 interest in voting Coral that shit is just obviously town

The worsts interactions right before repping out were so genuine. I can't believe he faked those.

I'm curious why you chose to only heal Ari if you had worst/me townread this strongly?

Bc Ari was more universally townread and seemed like the popular choice

[SirCakez]

The quotes of Cakez from worst mean zero to me looking at them. Aristeia makes pushes that are genuinely disturbing and have troubling long-term implications to scum players. I would know.

Can you elaborate on this because I have no idea what it means

[SirCakez]

Ok so my point with meuh is that i think 2.6 is somewhat damning for her: why did she hop off and then back onto pav?

^^^^

[SirCakez]

I'm about to take a break. I don't see what Isis sees in Coral, especially now that I know that those early nuanced solving posts were shortly upon replace-in.

Let me preface by saying that this whole conversation makes me uncomfortable, not just because the Duck is my dude, but because the moment you start trying to figure out people's emotional reactions to things it quickly becomes a minefield and I don't wanna stick my foot in my mouth more than I do just as a result of talking generally

But I think it's easy as scum to have that "worst possible interpretation" view when other people post things and I think it's possible that played a role here

I dunno, as I'm saying this I feel like it sounds stupid, and I think it's only barely useful -- if at all -- to be basing a read on a player who has now exited the game. I just get really uncomfortable when people take things personally, and I'm a little bit socially handicapped anyway

And again I'm not saying all of the above = DuckScum, I was just noting that, in that particular exchange, you -- Ari -- struck me as townier. You could both be town

Anyway I feel awkward as hell now =\ I'm just gonna pretend that unpleasantness last night didn't happen and we just have a new face at our sundress party for some reason

Perhaps a bit unfairly, I legitimately think this is Pavowski feeling bad about a partner being townread for that rage-replaceout.

Huh? Who would feel bad about that?

[SirCakez]

A lot of trash takes on the last few pages

[SirCakez]

Is it rlly Faker/meuh??

[SirCakez]

Fakers arguments for Coral scum just don't add up to me at all and I really dislike how they handwaved me saying Worst's emotions seemed genuine when he left the game

[SirCakez]

3677 seems like an absolutely ridiculous stretch

[SirCakez]

Time to backstab Faker!!!

uhh I mean... no! lol

but for real I like actually agree with Faker here though on the worst/coral. Like, what part of 3677 is ridiculous? I could just say "this wall post from X was terrible" but like, what part of it don't you like?

cause faker said "I legitimately think this is Pavowski feeling bad about a partner being townread for that rage-replaceout."
like pav said "not just because the Duck is my dude, but because the moment you start trying to figure out people's emotional reactions to things it quickly becomes a minefield "

I know when I'm maf and I like get super mad at someone, I'll instantly start feeling bad, and that's where I'll say more "I'd probably do that as maf" as like, a way to NOT be TRed off emotions, and it genuinely feels like that's what Pav's doing in that post, and I don't think Faker made some ridiculous stretch there..

I don't understand why they'd do that though.like just take the free town cred and everyone would understand post game ya?

[SirCakez]

I will write up a more extensive town case for worst coral when I'm off v/la
I never claimed gut as a reasoning for that read

[SirCakez]

And note that I had worst as a townread even before the Ari blowup
I liked how he involved in the RP squad early game

[SirCakez]

My sincerest apologies to Cakez. I have done misrepresented and done him a great disservice by classifying his read on the worst as a gut read. The real reasoning presented was nuanced, rational, and showed extensive death. Gut had nothing to do with it.

For the sake of academic integrity, I will not again try and fail to characterize risk misrepresenting this complex and nuanced argument. I will instead let it speak for itself, quoting here for convenience.

which is completely nonsensical on several fronts here.

how? I had a tone town read on worst like all game.

The worsts interactions right before repping out were so genuine. I can't believe he faked those.

I apologize for ever thinking this was a gut read.

Lol don't take things so seriously

[SirCakez]

I'm back from V/LA so stuff whatever shit wagon you guys have going on me

[SirCakez]

Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez

It's because Meuh is scum and saw that they could get more traction on me then you and they're probably going to escape after flipping me. It's pretty obvious.

[SirCakez]

Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez

It's obv Faker x Meuh and that's why Faker suddenly started going all in on Coral and me bc they needed to divert the wagons

[SirCakez]

VOTE COUNT 1.13 -- FINAL

[7]

Beat

: Titus, Meuh, GuiltyLion, marcistar, Gamma Emerald, Aristeia, Isis

[3]

Aristeia

: skitter30, Beat, the worst

[1]

Titus

: SirCakez

[1]

skitter30

: The Ugly Fruit

[1]

Not voting

: Pavowski

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Gamma Emerald and skitter30 currently v/la.

• have fun!

And where's the scum on the Beat wagon? Why is this being ignored?

[SirCakez]

Cakez -> (if game doesn't end) maybe like Coral?

Cause then the only situation with Skitter!scum that makes sense is with Coral. So if we lim Coral we take that into account on top of any combinations that make sense for Coral? Unless Coral and Skitter don't make sense paired; then Skitter would just be town and then we flip maybe Faker? Or I guess still Coral. Marci!scum doesn't really speak to me. The escape would definitely be meaningful to look at, though

This solve makes absolutely no sense with the Beat wagon

[SirCakez]

I didn't include the most important part of that which means I'm just going to look at Meuh/Cakez and pick one to vote. If I feel like it I will revisit skitter but I honestly liked her interactions with Aristeia enough to call it quits.

And this is so fake (haha pun haha) like I haven't seen a single Faker post that would make me think they would actually vote Meuh

[SirCakez]

Any one of you who read page 82, specifically 2031, and came out of that thinking marcistar might be scum deserves a very simple fate for the collective good of the town, holy shit

Spoiler:

That post is literally scum Marci 101

[SirCakez]

Faker is a very smart mafia player and obv way better at this game then I
The fact that they continue to make ridiculous logical errors over and over is convincing me they are scum

[SirCakez]

Alright I'm up to page 110, I'd like to get to end of Day 2 but 35+ pages and some change is a ton of reading for me given how slow I am.

Time to respond to the Meuh walls and wrap it up.

I'd still go 2 of 3 in Coral/Cakez/skitter, probably in that order. I go back and forth on the tiger.

Ex: this post
Fakers scum pool somehow assumed the Beat wagon was entirely town?? Yeah okay no way

[SirCakez]

I'll even admit that some of Fakers points against Coral do look compelling - esp the interactions between Pav and Worst/Coral don't look good. But I don't want to touch that wagon with a 10 foot pole with so many bad Faker posts.

[SirCakez]

@Gamma I do think Fruit is scum, it was like a half-jokey comment. Sorry. The issue is that I also don’t think my read on him is very compelling because it’s coming from a perspective of the game that most people don’t have. (I townread most players)
My read on Fruit is more of a gamestate read than a Fruit read and I don’t find his ISO particularly compelling

PEdit: VOTE: The Ugly Fruit

And this post is just as bad if not worse then the points Faker is making against Coral

[SirCakez]

The goal for Faker scum is obv to chain lim Coral and me after Meuh escapes tonight

[SirCakez]

It actually blows my mind what people on this website think passes for a good strategic plan, holy fuck I don't know whether to laugh or be tilted out of my mind

Everything about my play today is practically begging the town to ignore my push on Coral and vote out Meuh and you actually interpreted that as S/S holy shit

This literally doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

My preference atm is Coral->Cakez->Meuh->skitter->marcistar, with very little work done on Meuh

I'm pretty sure skitter is town from her interactions with Aristeia, I can't remember the page range off the top of my head but my guess would be in the 40s.

I think leaving her uncleared is fine for scum, there is virtually always doubt on account of who she is. I have 1/2 concerns to revisit but right now I would not vote her and am vaguely frustrated that Isis is shoving her.

Cakez is my runner-up vote but I still have plenty to work back over, and there is a good chance I just outright have to deal with the entire table refusing to vote a blatantly scum player and find a partner that is magically less obvious but more palatable.

These are the result posts of my last read.

Before starting my next read I make:

I didn't include the most important part of that which means I'm just going to look at Meuh/Cakez and pick one to vote. If I feel like it I will revisit skitter but I honestly liked her interactions with Aristeia enough to call it quits.

anyway I am putting as much time as I can into reading today so time to FINISH THIS SHIT and hopefully have a real stance on Cakez/Meuh

Your point here seems to be that it's odd for me to lump both of these players into my not-confident/readthrough pile, and therefore "treat them equally". Having a preference for one does not align with this, since both are equal.

They're equal in the sense that my confidence in my read on them was low and they're scumlean+null in the bucket. It's not like I hadn't made my read clear at multiple points this game or that they suddenly were even stevens.

Ok then I'm interested in actually hearing your read on Meuh if you haven't delivered it properly yet

[SirCakez]

Like gun-to-head i think ur town
But i absolutely would not rely on that to solve the rest of the game, in elo, etc

Then vote Coral and give me a chance to win you the game outright, because I really meant what I said. That single post from Pavowski is gamelosing, and we should punish the shit out of it and prove the point.

I will more explicitly tackle Meuh in a bit, I don't have too many pages left. I'd encourage you to look at 1665, which comes immediately upon Beat flip. The surrounding posts of 2051 are

great

, because they're backing off of her GuiltyLion vote in 1921 after he responds with good content.

My only hangups are this specific set of interactions. and 318, where driving a counterwagon to Meuh is questionable. I think explicitly tagging on with her vote and reasoning in making the counter would be bold.

I mean these points for Meuh town are okay I guess but I find the bad associations/votes around Pav + their spot on the Beat wagon way outweighs what you're pointing to to make them town

[SirCakez]

If you're scum with meuh (not saying you are) there isnt really a ton u need to do to prevent the wagon atm beyond, like, not supporting it

And this is incredibly true
All Faker/meuh has to do here is just avoid each other and sit around on Coral and me

[SirCakez]

Cakes / Coral are you two going to vote for Meuh or what?

I've been on Meuh for a while now

[SirCakez]

Just cause like, there's no interactions, Pav barely acknowledges Cakez exists, and like, we have 5 clears or whatever now, Pav spends majority of focus talking to people who are now conf town

Ok so how does this prove anything bc Pav also didn't spend much time talking to basically anyone who is in the lim pool rn

[SirCakez]

I need to read still but pls can we not do skitter?? No one has presented strong reasons for Meuh town

[SirCakez]

since mid-D2 all he's done is votepark marci and ignore the fact that the majority of the game is townreading her

I've been off of Marci for ages can you read my posts

[SirCakez]

also Cakez's spree of posts from 4068 to 4076 just feels like caught scum panic to me

Faker is a very smart mafia player and obv way better at this game then I
The fact that they continue to make ridiculous logical errors over and over is convincing me they are scum

this post in particular feels like scum mindset in how he says Faker's logical errors "is convincing [him]" that Faker is scum

if he was actually being convinced he'd just assert that Faker is scum, rather than that his mindset is evolving to Faker-scum. instead this feels self-aware that he needs to emulate a thought process

What? That's just how I talk

[SirCakez]

I guess I could just be wrong on Cakez being the preferred miselim of scum

question on this, I really haven't seen anyone pushing cakez, so how would cakez be the preferred mislim of scum? unless I'm scum?

This game is soooooo annoying
I was literally the leading wagon last VC I saw

[SirCakez]

[

There is limbait and there is Cakez. The man radiates scum pheromones, it's uncontrollable and it's overpowering.

Players like Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia, and Enchant are limbait. None of these players are worthy of the tier Cakez resides on, it is another plane of existence completely.

Omg I'm honored LOL this is getting sigged

[SirCakez]

I never gamble and I'd put a large bet on Meuh escaping tonight if they are not the lim

[SirCakez]

DRUNK CAKEZ IS HERE

[SirCakez]

I don't want to judge Cakez for being drunk at 2p-5pm on a Tuesday, especially outside of the school year...but I am.

It was a work event and company was paying for the booze
No regrets

[SirCakez]

Boy oh boy do I feel great looking at that wagon composition.

It's literally fine but our CONFTOWN are too scared to do anything except sit around and garden
So the people who ACTUALLY are doing things around here have to drive the wagons

[SirCakez]

Don't get me wrong, anyone who thinks Meuh/Faker is possible, go ahead and vote Meuh instead of me, please continue.

But from my perspective where I know that is not the team I am not touching that shit with a 10ft pole

Why can't Meuh be partnered with someone else?

[SirCakez]

Cakez are you trying to imply that you are one of the people actually doing things this game

No but I am someone taking stances

[SirCakez]

SCUM CANT LIM ME THIS TIME

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez

You sure about that?

DIE POTATO

[SirCakez]

i am willing to flip cakes if thats what gl/isis want

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

[SirCakez]

What if the useless players did something???

[SirCakez]

Scum are literally running this game

[SirCakez]

What if the useless players did something???

...king the call is coming from INSIDE the house

WOW

[SirCakez]

What if the useless players did something???

who you calling useless....

Not u
Like Marci and fruit basically LMAO

[SirCakez]

LMAO NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE FRUIT THING
BRAIN = FRIED

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Coral sure why not

can you at least explain why this vote over others, ideally not just the alternative

I can answer this for Meuhs and you know what I'm gonna say lmao

[SirCakez]

Titus is the conftown being useless but she is having irl issues to be fair
Knew I was forgetting someone

[SirCakez]

cakez is literally crying out the danger of the scum controlling the game without realizing it's the two he's fuckin voting with LMAO

SKITTER AND CORAL ARENT SCUM
ILL EAT GARBAGE IF RHEY ARE

[SirCakez]

Coral is the alternative to me being limmed so that's mainly why

Cakez' recent few posts are like kinda good I guess but I'm not ruling him out

Pedit: You'll need to rename yourself SirRaccoon then

WOW MEUH BASICALLT CLAIMED SCUM IN THIS POST

[SirCakez]

Wow
Meuh literally said "I'm just gonna vote whoever the alternative to me being limmed is"

YOU KNOW WHO DOES THAT
SCUM

[SirCakez]

FAKER NO FAKING
LIM SCUM MEUH WITH ME FOR GLORY

[SirCakez]

Wow
Meuh literally said "I'm just gonna vote whoever the alternative to me being limmed is"

YOU KNOW WHO DOES THAT
SCUM

So does town who wants to win the game
My mislim = 0% chance we win on the spot
Someone else getting limmed = >0% chance we win on the spot

Okay but if you die we just win LMAO

[SirCakez]

Wow
Meuh literally said "I'm just gonna vote whoever the alternative to me being limmed is"

YOU KNOW WHO DOES THAT
SCUM

also disagree with this too

that's just the right play no matter what alignment you are and if anything being so open about it is +town, not +scum

GL really rolls up to this thread and just finds my most recent post so he can say he disagrees with it
LITERALLT EVERY TIME

[SirCakez]

NO WE ARE LIMMING MEUH NOT SKITTS

[SirCakez]

Wow
Meuh literally said "I'm just gonna vote whoever the alternative to me being limmed is"

YOU KNOW WHO DOES THAT
SCUM

also disagree with this too

that's just the right play no matter what alignment you are and if anything being so open about it is +town, not +scum

GL really rolls up to this thread and just finds my most recent post so he can say he disagrees with it
LITERALLT EVERY TIME

maybe he's scum

No he's conftown :////

[SirCakez]

This town is hopeless
I'm not taking any blame for this one
Sometimes it's my fault but NOT THIS TIME

[SirCakez]

what if we lim marci instead of meuh cuz marci is literally meuhs only possible partner

[SirCakez]

Sooooo many bad takes

[SirCakez]

EVERY TIME I OPEN THIS THREAD IT FEELS LIKE IM EATING EGGS
AND I HATE EGGS

[SirCakez]

VOTE ME

[SirCakez]

I hate this game it makes me so mad

[SirCakez]

Marci wagon happening now?? After I backed off bc everyone told me I was wrong about that read? Wow

[SirCakez]

Maybe I should only play this while drunk now its the only way to make it bearable