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Excited to play with everyone and looking forward to a fun game
Glad to also see some familiar faces after all these years! Gamma long time no see! Glad to see you’re still around.
And I’m excited to see Blue in this game. You may not remember me, but you were one of the IC’s in my first newbie game here years ago. Interesting to see you in my first game after a long break back.-
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I liked the initial post personally. Felt like nervous town spiraling to make connections. Can you please explain what you mean by stilted?In post 62, TheGoldenParadox wrote:VOTE: giuseppina, this feels very slightly stilted-
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Ari and klick have each done something I’m fine with for now, but nothing great enough to like lean town on like the other two reads I have. Especially Ari.
Gamma hasn’t been on my best reads list very early game. I’m curious why she isn’t taking a heavy role day one though. Mind answering that Gamma?
I’m excited to hear from Blue. Only because I’ve betting there won’t be any meta reads that seem to be flying around like wild fire right now.-
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You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.-
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I've loosely been reading, but to quickly address this and move on.
I just prefer votes to start getting thrown around and things to start happening. I feel like someone at 50 games under the belt shouldn't be waiting to cast a single vote with no wagons right now. At this point RVS votes and non-votes need to move around. I like you, but I'd hate for that to change.In post 272, giuseppina wrote:i mean, if you really think my not voting outweighs everything else i have done this game and tips the scales towards me being mafia in your eyes you can certainly try to push me for that but, uh, i don’t really see how you would have reached that conclusion as town here-
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The issue with Shirou is the exact opposite of selling them as mafia. Their play so far seems to benefit neither alignment. If that is how they plan to play, then eliminating them is a double win. A townie that may be bad should we get down to the wire is gone and if they are mafia, even better. I don’t get these meta reads people have in Shirou’s favor at all. I also recall at one point Shirou asking someone how their actions benefit a scum alignment and that just left a bad taste in my mouth as if it was a pre meditated plan to act out.
Klick, I can’t sell as town but they have put out a reads list early on, so gold star to them for the moment unlike numerous other slots who have done little, or left themselves open to a quick change.-
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Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.In post 315, Klick wrote:
Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they areIn post 266, Aubrey wrote:You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.-
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In post 331, giuseppina wrote:
okay so you think shirou may be doing so as mafia, yes? the goal for scum!shirou i assume would be to make the game harder to read and to alienate some players?In post 319, Aubrey wrote:
Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.In post 315, Klick wrote:
Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they areIn post 266, Aubrey wrote:You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.
and the rest of those involved in either the meta discussions or the ‘kawaii’ as you say are enabling shirou to do so? or do you think it is more likely a concentrated mafia effort? or?
My response is the same that I answered earlier regarding Shirou. If I was on my computer I’d link it.
Meta has little to no grounds or basis in my eyes. The only meta comment Ive taken stock in was when whoever said you typically stall on votes. Other than that, it’s been in one ear and out the other across the board.
As for kawaii, I’m just ready to off all anime girls at this point.-
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In post 345, giuseppina wrote:
sorry i do not think i asked this wellIn post 337, Aubrey wrote:In post 331, giuseppina wrote:
okay so you think shirou may be doing so as mafia, yes? the goal for scum!shirou i assume would be to make the game harder to read and to alienate some players?In post 319, Aubrey wrote:
Neither is all this meta kawaii junk, but alas.In post 315, Klick wrote:
Votes are not nearly as important as people like to believe they areIn post 266, Aubrey wrote:You and I both know Toto has no wagon forming and nobody is at risk right now. So vote. We can’t stay undecided forever and you can change. Otherwise it just reads as cautious idle mafia. Though Ari seems to be backing you by stating this as your standard. A bit not so great standard though me thinks.
and the rest of those involved in either the meta discussions or the ‘kawaii’ as you say are enabling shirou to do so? or do you think it is more likely a concentrated mafia effort? or?
My response is the same that I answered earlier regarding Shirou. If I was on my computer I’d link it.
Meta has little to no grounds or basis in my eyes. The only meta comment Ive taken stock in was when whoever said you typically stall on votes. Other than that, it’s been in one ear and out the other across the board.
As for kawaii, I’m just ready to off all anime girls at this point.
your earlier posts re:shirou is why i ask in the first place,
i am trying to ask if from the interactions shirou is having, both about meta and ‘kawaii’ etc, does it seem more likely to be towns enabling shirou to muddy the game to you? or a more concentrated effort of shirou+ others to do so, or?
maybe i am still not asking well
Ah, I think I know where you’re going with this. No I’m not thinking this is a team effort or plan.-
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Una’s the one voting you. I just said your early game was questionable.In post 379, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I get a vibe that Aubrey might have figured I was a safe target because I was dialing things backIn post 362, Lucian wrote:
Is that really the only thing you're voting them on?In post 355, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll go here since I am skeptical of the expectation that I would be more solvy rn
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I agree with Gamma. We're two days in on page 20 with a number of people who are not caught up. Not to be the fun killer here, but maybe we should limit the goofy silly posts for a bit. I too am to blame for a few of them. I'm kinda worried with how many silent slots we have right now. Sir Cakes, BBT, TGP
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To be fair haha, You're not really doing convincing posting as much as just posting...In post 483, Shirou wrote:convincing continuous fluff posting is harder for scum than "solving"/faking reads.-
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In post 488, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If you don't like it then why don't you try to take some control and convince us to kill a dood.In post 481, Aubrey wrote:I agree with Gamma. We're two days in on page 20 with a number of people who are not caught up. Not to be the fun killer here, but maybe we should limit the goofy silly posts for a bit. I too am to blame for a few of them. I'm kinda worried with how many silent slots we have right now. Sir Cakes, BBT, TGP
I even feel like I need to do rereading, but that just seems daunting.
I'm not convinced by your Shirou read so far. Got anything else you feel very convinced about?
Honestly at this point, I think I’m only voting them cause I find them to be a nuisance. And please dont take that the wrong way shirou haha. Like in any other thread I’d probably really like you, but in this game I can’t read you for crap. I can’t get a lot of good reads right now. If I could off people Shirou, Ari, maybe una would all be viable and I probably wouldn’t flinch. Hell I probably wouldn’t be adverse to offing yourself.
Then I have all these silent mates in the back I’m waiting on. So fun times man.-
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While it’s painful to admit, I’d argue Shirou has actually progressed the game in a positive light. She’s been in a general good place with the majority that I don’t see her as mafia needing to push this as hard as she has TGP. She could have easily continued on as she was putting minimal effort in and slyly moved forward if she was mafia.
I feel like your push on her is more of a “I dislike your method” over a “your method is mafia indicative.” Though I appreciate your input and have a general like’n of you. I’d be more worried that her outburst is more of an attempt to seem like try hard town as mafia if anything, but I just don’t think she needs it based on how the game has progressed.-
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It’s largely uneventful yet eventful all at the same time. There’s a gaggle of like 4 or 5 who are chirping away, using a lot of meta reads and cross referencing games. Shirou started a wagon on Nboy for like a day then lock Townes them for some reason and claimed it was all a test really after multiple pages of shit posting.
We have a cross wagon if Una and Ari now. Not sure what the read is in Una. Ari to me has been mostly sheeting where votes go. shirou is now advocating for a Lucian vote because meta.
Anime and love is the way apparently, but Toto and I think it can burn.
Pina is largely active and kinda towny by seeming anxious. However she just seems to be asking opinions of play vs casting their own opinions. Something worth revisiting, but I don’t think it’s a worthy consideration right now.
Sir cake is gone.
TGP is getting swamped in a sea of content like you are. I’m caught up and still full swamped in a sea of content.
It’s kinda a mess me thinks.-
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Shirou vs. TGP is reading more old school vs. new school to me. I low key like TGP, though I admit I’m super biased.
Personally this has been a hard game for me to dig my heels into and feel like I can perform well. I was excited to join, but I’m slowly remembering why I began to dip away. like I was trained by the “older gen” on a different site I guess, and play though more of a analytical lens and mafia theory lens over Meta this Meta that, that one game we played this, omg why are you reading me like that when I was blah in blah. Like that line of reasoning isn’t something I consider or able to participate in. And the new style of not trying to play to you’re alignment but play hard to read is just a site meta I never got and still feel like I’m seeing….all in all I feel like that maybe a similar feeling TGP and possibly BBT was feeling. Not to put thoughts and emotion in your mouths.
For the record I’m leaving BBT as null, he might have just decided he didn’t care to read.-
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Regarding Klicks recent post,
The only issue is with a set up like this it’s optimal for 1 or 2 mafia to try hard town. With that in the back of my mind I worry with Pina a bit as the game progresses. It’s one of the reasons why I hounded for action earlier. So far while they are the 3rd most active I have seen little pushing or advocating for a vote / offing. The posts have largely been revolving around why people read them the way they do, or prodding questions but they don’t seem to go anywhere after. I don’t think this is hard content for mafia to generate. She’s fine for now, but this feeling keeps itching at me in the back of my mind regarding the slot as the game progresses.
It’s slightly how I play as mafia. Stay relatively active. Earn town lean. Keep reads open and follow the general flow of the town while it eats itself until you have to start taking direct action as needed.
It’s just a general worry. I need to re iso Pina at some to better confirm my initial page 1 like’n of her.
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I don’t care much for the Ari Shirou talks. It’s just feels like ATE and a slot that’s given up which is Nai I think. I’m fine with keeping my vote where it is. I think there is only one post I liked so far from them very early on when they generated a early reads list but flat lined after.
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I’m not tracking with the argument against TGP. I don’t remember games from years ago and the specific things that happened In them. I can’t expect him to either. Like I remember a few things for a few players in the roster but it’s high level thoughts. Not this very specific set of posts your hovering over his head as a smoking gun. I’d rather see a slot like Ari go over a slot like TGP who probably needs more time to generate content to judge.-
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I never said to not sort you. I said my opinion hasn’t been changed by the exchange. It doesn’t seem their opinion has changed as the unvote seems to stem partially due to a friendship and giving you more time for sorting.
I’m now going to step away to honor your initial request. Maybe you should too? I can feel your frustration and I’m sorry you’re feeling that way. But being frustrated isn’t something I attach to an alignment.-
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TBG’s push is odd, but seems to stem more from a frustrated player who hates a play style rather than looking at mafia intent behind the post and offing a difficult to read slot for end game solving. I had similar feelings early in the game. Hell I’d be pressed to say I don’t have those feelings still slightly. I’m fine with leaving him still for now. Null though. I look forward to future content. I just feel as scum there are easier places to vote, and he’s choosing the harder path.
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I generally like the replacements so far. I need to take time to reread them, but I’m likening what I’ve read on a skim.
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I need to chew on Ari a bit. Everything has just been meta talk and emotional frustration. Need to at some point reread and consider intention on stuff I guess. On a skim I’m not having major changes right now.
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I’m low key not even looking at partner pairings much atm. I’ll be far more interested in that line of thinking after a red flip.-
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The issue isn't me thinking I don't think you would answer me. The issue is, I don't feel the need to ask someone where they stand sometimes in the game-state. As town, they should be putting out their stances in my world view. If they are not, then that to me can be a negative and favor a mafian mindset.In post 1115, giuseppina wrote:anyway if there's an opinion that i haven't given on something you think i should have an opinion on, you could, idk, ask? like do you think i would be unlikely to answer? i don't really understand
At the time of writing 1030 I didn't feel like i knew where you stood anywhere really. I'm still not sure I fully know your stances. I like your activity. I like some of your questions. I probably don't want you out'd D1...But you're a slot i'm likely to waver on from time to time and that concerns me, due to the reasons I stated. Someone else echo'd a similar opinion of you not having skin in the game. So it wasn't just me there.
I appreciate the reach out here, thanks.In post 1141, giuseppina wrote:
i think, if you do want to go heavily into analytics and mafia theory here, that there are quite a few players that would also happily have those conversations with you, myself includedIn post 905, Aubrey wrote:Shirou vs. TGP is reading more old school vs. new school to me. I low key like TGP, though I admit I’m super biased.
Personally this has been a hard game for me to dig my heels into and feel like I can perform well. I was excited to join, but I’m slowly remembering why I began to dip away. like I was trained by the “older gen” on a different site I guess, and play though more of a analytical lens and mafia theory lens over Meta this Meta that, that one game we played this, omg why are you reading me like that when I was blah in blah. Like that line of reasoning isn’t something I consider or able to participate in. And the new style of not trying to play to you’re alignment but play hard to read is just a site meta I never got and still feel like I’m seeing….all in all I feel like that maybe a similar feeling TGP and possibly BBT was feeling. Not to put thoughts and emotion in your mouths.
For the record I’m leaving BBT as null, he might have just decided he didn’t care to read.
like i don't really think it's exclusively one or the other, and i do love playing connect the dots,
I vote tells me you have reasons to suspect scum in a slot. It tells me you have an opinion. I didn't get you having much of an opinion early game. I've played active prodding scum with questions that fake sorting slots while keeping my options very open and loose while waiting to see where the town would go. It's a standard philosophy of mine, so please don't tell me that isn't a viable strategy. Out of the 5 times I've played mafian in a completed game, my team and I have won. I've yet to be voted out of a town or killed as mafia. The tactic has merits, so it's something I keep in the back of my mind.In post 1143, giuseppina wrote:
this still i keep thinking about and... there's the aristeia thing and the like 'oh it sure would be scummy if you didn't vote' sort of thing which like, ??? like not voting isn't actually a mafia indicative thing in anyway just like the 'not casting its own opinions' thing isn't mafia indicative that's not really how things work and the way aubrey seems to be taking those things into heavy consideration when compared to the rest of my posts, my approach to the game and such, why i would be doing what i am doing if i were mafia, or anything like that, it feels likeIn post 887, Save The Dragons wrote:aubrey badgering pina to vote is giving me feels
like it feels like aubrey is trying to say, 'look at these negatives! look everyone, giuseppina doesn't state its thoughts as hard conclusions! giuseppina doesn't vote' while townreading me and saying, but we will look at those things later, as if those things somehow carry a significant amount of weight that i don't really see why town would think those were so important towards determining alignment,
but i am me so obvious bias involved in my trying to evaluate
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I'm not sure I care to engage in this. I think it better to find a scum, then start trying to put pairs together. If there is a question for me here though, I'd be happy to answer it.In post 1142, Shirou wrote:Klick or Aubrey could easily be mafia as well, I think
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This is something I can't really engage with. But the reasoning seems fine to me I guess. Not sure what the scum motive would be.In post 1147, Save The Dragons wrote:aubrey's tone feels off to me. it's hard to describe and it's not something i think we need to kill kill kill right away, i want to see what happens if i put my vote there.
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I’m not really sure Shirou has as much control over the game like you’re stating TGP.
Early on, the friends group shit posting had control over swamping the game. That’s can be said.
I could even see an argument being hashed where the state of this odd friends group could control the momentum of the game. But they seem to be attacking each other now…Though there has been instances where they resist on one another as well as we’ve seen from shirou and Ari…
I’m just not sure on your stance beyond agreeing Shirou is both a hard slot to read and if scum could be a hard offing.-
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Hmm, fair question but my answer maybe underwhelming. I didn't remember who agreed with me until you brought it up. I believe it’s a general assertion, that either alignment could make. If I’m town and felt it, then others could too. The only mafian reason to follow up with my concerns would be to have an Avenue in place to point back to should you land in hot waters later. You’re kinda the golden child though, so I doubt that is a Avenue that will open up soon. If you’re town, mafia are quicker to just town read you for an easy read.
It’s kinda like Toto and Mr foxy fox agreeing with me. It’s a general statement most people could agree to I think. I just happpened to be the first to state it, but I don’t feel anyway about them nodding their heads right now.-
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Well, get a grip Pina haha. This is mafia. Perfection doesn’t exist. I’m trying to figure if there is a mafian reason for this issue with you but I’m drawing blanks. The only thing I can register is Ari scum and your terrified of association and feel stuck. I’m not sure how likely that is though. As mafia you have options or a simple out.-
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Aubrey Mafia Scum
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- Joined: May 17, 2016
- Location: Southern USA
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Aubrey Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2740
- Joined: May 17, 2016
- Location: Southern USA
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Aubrey Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2740
- Joined: May 17, 2016
- Location: Southern USA
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Aubrey Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2740
- Joined: May 17, 2016
- Location: Southern USA
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Aubrey Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2740
- Joined: May 17, 2016
- Location: Southern USA