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[Save The Dragons]

i don't think klick made the list either so i'm in good company

[Shirou]

i..didn't even make the list

Oh, confused who you/Cat replaced, also kinda forgot to put Klick even though I thought about his slot while doing it, revised:

[Norwe] - town read
[---] - town lean
[Gamma, Toto, Catscratching, Pina, Aubrey] - nulltown* (maybe some scum here idk)
[StD, Klick] - null
[Aristeia] - nullscum
[Una, Lucian, TGP] - scum lean**
[---] - scum read

You're truly null and I thought about moving Klick to nulltown but eh, not enough content I think

so I'll try to let the thread breath more to get more from people in the nulltown/null bracket

[Save The Dragons]

you confused me with cat? i'm truly null? hmm

[Klick]

Klick sell me on Shurro town. Also Pina.

I am a notoriously bad salesperson but I can talk to you about why I believe they're town

I heavily doubt Shirou is scum. He's filled a fifth of this game with nuanced content. He very frequently updates the thread with his thoughts and they've almost always got depth. His contributions are far past the point of scum utility and I think he's genuinely just posting what he discerns about the game.

I've already talked about giuseppina being town and my reasoning hasn't changed. It's very similar to Shirou; more in the vein of, I read giuseppina's posts and don't get the impression at all that they're being posted to try and persuade people that giuseppina is town. The common theme being that their thoughts on this game are frequent and transparent.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda paranoid of Klick ngl

[Aubrey]

Regarding Klicks recent post,

The only issue is with a set up like this it’s optimal for 1 or 2 mafia to try hard town. With that in the back of my mind I worry with Pina a bit as the game progresses. It’s one of the reasons why I hounded for action earlier. So far while they are the 3rd most active I have seen little pushing or advocating for a vote / offing. The posts have largely been revolving around why people read them the way they do, or prodding questions but they don’t seem to go anywhere after. I don’t think this is hard content for mafia to generate. She’s fine for now, but this feeling keeps itching at me in the back of my mind regarding the slot as the game progresses.

It’s slightly how I play as mafia. Stay relatively active. Earn town lean. Keep reads open and follow the general flow of the town while it eats itself until you have to start taking direct action as needed.

It’s just a general worry. I need to re iso Pina at some to better confirm my initial page 1 like’n of her.

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I don’t care much for the Ari Shirou talks. It’s just feels like ATE and a slot that’s given up which is Nai I think. I’m fine with keeping my vote where it is. I think there is only one post I liked so far from them very early on when they generated a early reads list but flat lined after.

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I’m not tracking with the argument against TGP. I don’t remember games from years ago and the specific things that happened In them. I can’t expect him to either. Like I remember a few things for a few players in the roster but it’s high level thoughts. Not this very specific set of posts your hovering over his head as a smoking gun. I’d rather see a slot like Ari go over a slot like TGP who probably needs more time to generate content to judge.

[Aristeia]

ate is designed to convince people that you are town because it does things that people think do not come from scum.

my answers to shirou are explaining why i dont care to survive as either alignment which is what i would be saying if i was mafia here

it is not really ate because its just stating facts

you should at least get the basic facts of what is happening correct.

[Aristeia]

for example ate would be telling you that i dont think youve done even a bare minimum of what is reasonable for you to do as town but i am going to try not to be tilted by it because i find being tilted at things beyond my control to be offputing and unenjoyable.

[Aristeia]

actually i guess that wouldnt be ate because its unlikely to make you emotionally induced to unvote me and probly will get you to double down so it would just be me venting at you.

[Aubrey]

If I’m using incorrect terms I’m sorry. But largely, I don’t care that you don’t care about your role in the game anymore. I want you gone regardless. And people shouldn’t give you a pass for it.

[Aristeia]

if you're not going to solve you should probly not tell others not to solve either

[Aristeia]

If I’m using incorrect terms I’m sorry. But largely, I don’t care that you don’t care about your role in the game anymore. I want you gone regardless. And people shouldn’t give you a pass for it.

i have never said i dont care about my role in this game. i said i dont mind being flipped if you all need to see my alignment to solve the game.

do you care who my partners are?
do you care about getting my alignment correct?
what do you even care about.

[Aristeia]

hypothetically speaking aubrey if you flip me and then lose the game to people who i thought were scum would you blame yourself for not listening to me or blame me for not being more convincing to you?

[Aristeia]

i think this conversation is unpleasant and we should probably not talk to each other. apologies for being tilted at you.

[Aubrey]

I won’t engage with you on it if it is dampening your gaming experience. My vote remains for now though, apologies.

[Aristeia]

no my point was that you havent engaged with me at all in terms of trying to sort me or figure out who my partners are or anything and its p fustrating to see you then tell the person who is actually engaging with me to like not sort me or solve.

[Aristeia]

like shrug whatever do whatever you want

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: aubrey

[Aubrey]

I never said to not sort you. I said my opinion hasn’t been changed by the exchange. It doesn’t seem their opinion has changed as the unvote seems to stem partially due to a friendship and giving you more time for sorting.

I’m now going to step away to honor your initial request. Maybe you should too? I can feel your frustration and I’m sorry you’re feeling that way. But being frustrated isn’t something I attach to an alignment.

[Toto]

Can you give me some reads when you can Ari. I get you don’t want to get emotional defending yourself but if you are town please try a little bit. It is hard to sort you otherwise.

[Aristeia]

which read do you want

[Toto]

I guess general sense of the game. Top scum reads, top town reads
Some reasoning

[Aristeia]

top trs pina, norw
too srs una, lucian

its hard for me to feel good about any reads because i feel like a lot of people havent done much

pinas approach to the game just feels like how town her solves a puzzle.
norw feels townie in the kind of goofy clueless way i always find him to be when hes town

lucian and una dont really feel like the way i expect them to play when theyre town which is probly not a very good or fair way to read them, they're both people i am more familiar with.

[Aristeia]

i feel like aubrey can just be clueless town because the way hes playing the game feels like he doesnt have any idea what is going on. his initial vote on me is for a reason so bad that i kind of think scum dont actually vote on it because its just so bad. ive never played with him before so i dont know if its in his wheelhouse as scum.

[Aristeia]

mindmelded with stds catchup a bit esp on that part about aubrey . i think hes more careful when hes scum and here hes just kind of vibing. no real confidence on this read but i think its probly right