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[scooby]

Question for all; would you rather lynch a wolf or a mafia today?

I think I'd rather get rid of the werewolf nk first. I also think that it's more easy to catch mafia when there are a lot of them because they interact more.

Arbitrary RVS reads:
People I like: Rhinox and iamasuername.
People I dont like: Cobblerfone and theotherfaction

I don't like the weakness of the accusations on this post:

Possible

that Bastion is either scum trying to hide the fact Cobbler called him "townie" so early OR Bastion

could be

trying to make a townie look suspicious by quoting without actually acting on him. Either way,

Bastion looks a little scummy

. Plus,

a little reasoned vote

starts discussion better than RVs.

Meta-questions

could be

a mistake of a townie or scummy, but his newness is worn down a good 4 months or whatever, so it doesn't really hold. Either way, we should investigate Cobbler, but as I pointed out, I don't want Bastion to get away entirely. He

seems a bit protective of Bastion

, but

it could just be because its my first read of the first few post

.

Vote: TheOtherFiction.

[scooby]

Not seeing SirBastion. Active noob read all around.

Why didn't no one comment on my TheOtherFiction case?

[scooby]

You guys should come over for a visit sometime. We could play cards and tell scary stories over the campfire.

And also lynch Yosarian2.

Aww. But I like playing cards and campfires.

Do you usually make jokes on games? All I remember from you are serious posts.

[scooby]

For the first time ever, I think that Yos is actually making sense. Does that mean that he's town? No.

(Also, TOF, why do you say that voting is scummy? Do you want to be lynched?

Crypto, what are your opinions on who the scum is?

You seem to just be trying to force things

without anything behind it.

Scum number 2 found.

Same reason as TOF: A subtle attack to test the waters.

Who the hell asks "do you want to be lynched"?

[scooby]

I think scoobies point was fair but weak, calling it a case is a stretch, and I'm unsure why he thought it was worthy of comment like it was a big thing, especially considering TOF did respond. This also raises the question though, why didn't he respond to TOF's response to his case?

It is a case.

People making weak attacks (using too many conditionals) are scum pretty much all the time since they don't believe in what they are saying/ are scared of getting in absolutes/ want an exit if the case is refuted= saying "oh I said you seemed to be doing that, now it's okay :happyface:.

[scooby]

Question for all; would you rather lynch a wolf or a mafia today?

I think I'd rather get rid of the werewolf nk first. I also think that it's more easy to catch mafia when there are a lot of them because they interact more.

Arbitrary RVS reads:
People I like: Rhinox and iamasuername.
People I dont like: Cobblerfone and theotherfaction

I don't like the weakness of the accusations on this post:

Possible

that Bastion is either scum trying to hide the fact Cobbler called him "townie" so early OR Bastion

could be

trying to make a townie look suspicious by quoting without actually acting on him. Either way,

Bastion looks a little scummy

. Plus,

a little reasoned vote

starts discussion better than RVs.

Meta-questions

could be

a mistake of a townie or scummy, but his newness is worn down a good 4 months or whatever, so it doesn't really hold. Either way, we should investigate Cobbler, but as I pointed out, I don't want Bastion to get away entirely. He

seems a bit protective of Bastion

, but

it could just be because its my first read of the first few post

.

Vote: TheOtherFiction.

whatever. I'm acknowledging this but since I voted someone on reasons I know are weak (which is your case?), I don't really have anything to say about your vote.

Primate: you mean an answer to THIS?

He knows his reasons are WEAK and still made the case?

What ELSE needs to happen to get this lynch?

[scooby]

antiprod post, catchup later, etc

[scooby]

Why hasn't TOF claimed yet?
From phone

[scooby]

he makes no sense so you unvote him?

This is a really strange game.

She's at L-1, I want an explanation without the risk of quickhammer.

Do you realize pressure it's a good thing for getting reads?

Do you really think someone can quickhammer in day 1?

[scooby]

People that should have died years ago

TOF
funkybike

Let's do this

Vote: funkybike

[scooby]

Where is everyone and why funkybike is still alive despite nervous claim at L-2?

Votecount:

Not Voting: Primate, iamausername, TheOtherFiction, funkybike1

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-11-02 03:48:37)

Why are you guys not voting?

[scooby]

We lynch scum.

Not lurkers that may be scum.

I dont get what you are trying to say here. DO you think funky is scum, y(n?

[scooby]

So you think people should only vote when deadline is two hours away. Good to know.

Who is scum and why?

[scooby]

what in this iso makes you think funky is DEFINITELY town?

/confirm, replacing MaxMontag.

VOTE: TheOtherFiction

Yeah. Just remember, anything can be explained as a Freudian slut... er, slip.

For the first time ever, I think that Yos is actually making sense. Does that mean that he's town? No.

(Also, TOF, why do you say that voting is scummy? Do you want to be lynched?

Crypto, what are your opinions on who the scum is? You seem to just be trying to force things without anything behind it.

Unvote

I guess we just wait now.

Your competition? So you are mafia?

So you vote for the lurker instead of the scum?

The pressure is clearly on, so i might as well go ahead and

claim VT

right here.

Where is everyone and why funkybike is still alive despite nervous claim at L-2?

Votecount:

Not Voting: Primate, iamausername, TheOtherFiction, funkybike1

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-11-02 03:48:37)

Why are you guys not voting?

(expired on 2011-11-02 03:48:37)

[scooby]

This game is fucking dying.

Where is everyone and why funkybike is still alive despite nervous claim at L-2?

Votecount:

Not Voting: Primate, iamausername, TheOtherFiction, funkybike1

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-11-02 03:48:37)

Why are you guys not voting?

Seriously, at this point is completely unaceptable that you don0t have a top suspect. With the amount of scum, Im pretty sure we have 2, even 3 scum in Primate, iamusername, TOF and funky.

[scooby]

PEDIT: TOF finally voted but it's a freaking one line that doesnt explain anything.

Seriously, if any of the 4 that I listed has a town PM, START FUCKING CONRIBUTING.

[scooby]

Im starting to get susoicious of HirakI. His irrational love for funky is not normal

[scooby]

start finding the time or replace out because I need a player that can have reads with something to back them up.

[scooby]

This game is fucking dying.

Activity Overview
Don't act like you're not part of the problem. This is not the first time you've complained about activity IIRC. There aren't many with fewer posts than you, and when I look through your iso you tend to clump a couple posts together with 3 days in between. Do something about the activity if you think its a problem.

Except I am doing something about it?

[scooby]

Unvote;Vote Scooby

I figured Rhinn might be scum (Still might) but the only people who reacted to my vote that I don't like is Scooby.


@Rhin: Trying something out. I don't think enough people are talking to allow for much conversation.

But I am not wholly sold on the idea of lurker scum. It could be I just think that some people are talking too much and some not enough or not at all, I really do not like the active luring Hiraki is doing because his posts are useless overall. Refusal to make a case, tunnel vision, etc. I just don't like him.

BTW, if Yos is scum, he's mafia.

What is this post?

Oh yeah I forgot. Its TOF scum.

Ellaborate on why you didnt like the reaction to my vote

Ellaborate on why if Yos is scum, he is mafia.

[scooby]

Did you know that people that constantly apologize for not posting are more likely scum? Y/N?

[scooby]

So you'r saying we should lynch scooby?

He didnt say that

You are so scum

I cant understand why people think you are town

I dont know what to make of this random hacing fitz wagon, it formed so quicly , im reading now.

[scooby]

mod, plz perod havinggitz

Hazginfuitsz, CLAIM in following post,

[scooby]

Prod dodge!

Fitz has not done anything useful so far, so I might as well VOTE: havingfitz.

Let's see how it turns out.

ARE YOU SURE WE WANT THIS SCUM IN LATE GAME?

LIKE REALLY?

[scooby]

Vote: funkybike

[scooby]

That's not a guilty result btw, i just can't imagine any possible scenario where this guy isn't scum.

Agree with hypocopping.

[scooby]

TOF isnt wolf
funkybike isnt wolf

VLA until tomorrow

[scooby]

Yeah, funkybike is a still a good suspect, just out of sheer uselesness if nothing else.

I also think Scooby is a likely scum at this point. I get this vibe from him like he's just cruising through this game, staying under the radar, and doesn't seem really bothered by the situation we're in now. Very low posting all game, very little content, and today he pretty much just pops in and says "yeah, let's lynch the lurker" while not commenting on anything else. Something about his posting today makes me wonder if he's expecting to win today or tommmorow if he can just get one or two more mislynches.

Vote:scooby

Note that scooby and funkybike might both be scum, but they're probably not scum in the same group.

Are you serious?

You get the impression I am cruising throuigh this game?? when I have pushed for TOF's and funky's lynch since day 1?

lets just lynch the lurker? Have you at least read what Ive said about him? You ISOed me, where did you get that my case against funky is that he is a lurker?

about today, meh, I dont think there is nothing much to say other than Im paranoid of basically everyone and that there is no scenario where funky is not scum.

Your vote is disingeniuos, Yosarian. I dont like it, specially since you think funky is scum and basically ereryone can be attacked of low content.

[scooby]

If Im doing this, then everyone SHOULD do this because.

At this moment, Im paranoid about everyone. I did some reread and I have some slight town reads but at this point everyone can be scum and what we should be doing right now is lynch whoever is the scummiest player alive. This is what Im thinking right now:

iamausername/Elmo: meh, not particularly town, not particularly scum
Yosarian2: neutral read until 479. Might be biased by OMGUS but with 5 scum alive, this attack reeks.
Sir Bastion: slight town read specially for the active noob read I have from him since D1
Rhinox (proded Day 2): meh, not particularly town, not particularly scum
Primate (Twice proded Day 1) (and once Day 3): strategetic posting, lurking means Pod is very likely scum
TheOtherFiction: accepted his initial case was weak, yet he pushed it, refusal to claim, using lolreactions to scumhunt, misrepresentation of posts trying to make me fight with iamusername, L-1s a player he barely suspected
funkybike1 (MaxMontag) (proded Day 1: lurker, strategic posting, zero content, clamining VT at L-3, his only suspect in the game was havingfitz

So at this point Im fine with either TOF or funky because THERE IS NO SCENARIO where they are not scum.

[scooby]

i am not the seer.

i really really doubt this is a gambit

[scooby]

Cool.

Yos is a wolf, and we shall be lynching him today, but first, we should give him the opportunity to share his thoughts on who his partner should be killing tonight.

fuken called it, specially after the "this could be a gambit" backdoor.

i think yosa is capable of wifomize this shit but anyways lets just see what he can come up with

[scooby]

There's only two possibilities here; either Iamausername is not the real seer and is a wolf going for the win, in which case the real seer needs to speak up pronto, or he is the real seer, but he has no useful results so he's faking a guilty in lynch or lose to try to control the lynch.

If you're a wolf, I expect the real seer is going to counterclaim at which point things are going to get really interesting, but if you're just gambling and faking a guilty on me, quit it, you're going to cost the town the game.

LOL

Vote: Yosarian2

[scooby]

Vote: Yosarian 2

Best choice. Even if my read of the people involved is correct yos2 is still guilty.

you are so scum

[scooby]

post tomorrow, etc

[scooby]

Ok, Im back.

So this is what we have:

1 werewolf
2 mafia
1 seer

Its pretty obvious iam is the seer. Yesterday a gambit would have been retarded. And nobody has counterclaimed.

Lynching the werewolf means game over. I have a good idea of who is the werewolf.

Day1. Yep, when town was still a majority and when scum cant predict the outcome or how lylo is going to come up. From wolves POV bussing Day 1 is a very risky play so I'm pretty sure people Yosa attacked day1 are not wolves.

Anyway, person I'm voting for lurking is getting replaced. So let me just lynch a scum instead.

unvote

Vote:TheOtherFiction

This is a good wagon. He's not voting anyone, he's making some weak quasi-attacks against both Cobbler and Bastion but isn't really going after either one. Looks like he tried to vote Bastion early on but messed up the bold tags, no big deal, except that was back on Tuesday, he's posted several times since then, and never bothered to actually put his vote on for real. Looks like overly cautious scum to me.

This is a HARD attack, yosascum going all in against his target. Im 100% sure this is not some sort of bussing.

Yes, at this point you are prob wondering why I left out that first vote on Primate early.

Also,

Vote:primate

because he's said in the past that he's better at posting content when he feels pressured.

On an unrelated note, Primate's inital post sounded vaugly town-ish to me, so I'll

Unvote:Primate

Vote:princesskdw

, who hasn't posted yet. (/slightly better then random vote since I have a weak town read on a few people and obviously have no read on her.)

Just compare the two attacks. This SCREAMS cheap distancing. This is angry Yosa telling Primate to post more. And then hoping to the easy wagon.

Im fine with lynching any of TOF and SirB. I feel a little more sure about TOF in case Yosa could predict I would buy his WIFOM in day1.

Vote: TOF.

[scooby]

I forgot we hypocopped.

Unvote

Back to the drawing board.

[scooby]

ESSAY QUESTION (for all but Primate)

Bearing in mind the following facts:

a) you know that there are five roles remaining in this game: one seer, one townie, one wolf and two mafia.
b) you know that I am the seer.
c) you are, or at least would like me to believe that you are, the townie.
d) you know from my investigation that Primate is not the wolf.
e) you know that we are aiming to lynch mafia today.

please explain, in 500 words or fewer, why you are NOT voting for Primate right now.

I forgot we hypocopped.

Unvote

Back to the drawing board.

Vote: Primate.

[scooby]

On phone

On phone still very busy but watching thread

pretty much already explain my position on the first post of this day.

At the start I wasn't 100% you were genuine I wanted to see how you treated the reads before I accept you as seer. I got my players mixed up and said primate was possible wolf when I should have said scooby and primate possibly seer (if you were not seer)



No one has counter claimed you nor has your actions shown you to be a fraud.

This came clear by primates 2nd post today but I didn't have a lot of time and scooby's vote caught me by surprise and I wanted to catch the team today then going in without Iam tomorrow (by wolf kill but now it seems that's impossible. Since it will give the mafia the win.) so the only thing holding me back right now is to accept that scooby is his partner or if it's tof.

I'd lean scooby personally

nice distancing mixed with a random attack against me

fyi, Im in a very hectic period of my life, IO dont want to ask replacement yet but my posting is going to be limited as it was last week