Open 357: Scumhunter's Speed 8P

[kondi2424]

I swear I confirmed in this. /confirm

Quick, everybody give me the playerlist from most to least favorite.

[kondi2424]

I'm serious, everyone do the list. I have a plan.

[kondi2424]

I see, I figured that votes that occured before the game started would not count.

I'd also believe that to be correct.


However, I have a different gripe with Juls's post.
Saying Whiskers is scum-- okay, fine. It's early, RVS, even. Saying, "lynch whiskers"-- alright, maybe, but it's a bit early to push for a lynch.
But here's the bit:
Day one will be a red herring-- Great, okay. But instead of letting players slip and talk so you'll have information Tomorrow? Not cool. If we use your plan, We Lynch a Townie, Nightkill a Townie, and then we have RVS on Day 2.

So....?
HoSsing Juls.

[preedit]
Got ninjad.

You're wrong. If we lynch a Townie, a Scum gets nightkilled.

PEdit:

Double-PEdit: -_-

[kondi2424]

To make a list myself:

zMuffinMan
Juls
Glass
projectmatt
Trevor
Guy_Named_Riggs
Whiskers

Now, this isn't as strong as I thought it was since I now know there's a slight advantage to lynching scum D1, but it still applies. Since D1 is simply a red herring, we could use this day to get rid of the least valuable player, which seems to be between me and Whiskers. VOTE: Whiskers

[kondi2424]

If you read anything but the quoted part, you would have your answers. But to make you happy, we're at the bottom of the list the most.

[kondi2424]

Whiskers, if you don't have your answers by now, you're retarded. And maybe I phrased my question wrong. Here's the new question, guys: How well do you think people will play in this game, from most well to least well? Everybody has to make a new list now. I'm sure the answers will be changed so much.

[kondi2424]

So... we lynch me, scum kills kondi?

LOL, I love your subliminal messaging.

Uh, yeah? For example, GNR will go straight to the bottom.

*Of mine

[preedit]
Trevor, You think I'm a really bad player, and I'm scum?
Why?

I want to lynch you today, hence you being at the bottom of the list.

Vote: whiskers

zmuffin and kondi have towntold, Juls and GNR are more of a toss-up. Glass is scum, whiskers is scum.

@pmatt, 111582

Glass has taken my refusal to RVS and over-exaggerated it into a scumtell. The only RVS I have posted was when I was scum. That was also a month ago, did it occur to you that I could have changed my theory about RVSing?

The list wasn't a list of "not-lynch to do-lynch," it was a list of "best-player to worst-player". So, why do you think I am the "least likely to play well"?

It is my belief that alignment doesn't affect ability.

I just explained in my last post that I misworded my question. Nice misrep.

[kondi2424]

Whiskers, if you don't have your answers by now, you're retarded.

And maybe I phrased my question wrong. Here's the new question, guys: How well do you think people will play in this game, from most well to least well?

Everybody has to make a new list now. I'm sure the answers will be changed so much.

[kondi2424]

@projectmatt: I actually do think Whiskers is scum at this point, and as for buddies, I would go with you or Guy_Named_Riggs. Juls and Glass are Townreads. Muffin is lurking.

[kondi2424]

@projectmatt: I actually do think Whiskers is scum at this point

Why Whiskers mafia? Also why did you decide to make everyone re-do the list when you were in the list of least liked people?

Whiskers mafia: Post 66 is full of questions that could have been easily answered if she actually would have read my post. In Post 76, she happens to apparently not read my most recent post, where I stated to have used bad choice of words in my question. And, in Post 84, she obviously

knows

I'm scum, but she hasn't laid down a vote yet. Not bad for a Page 4 suspicion, especially in a game like this.

*facepalm* I already explained that I did that because Whiskers disapproved of my wording.

I actually found you really scummy until I found out that Post 74 was a townslip.

[kondi2424]

This is gonna sound really scummy, but since we know you're town, it might actually be an advantage to mislynch. Think about it, the only nightkill the mafia gets is if scum gets lynched Day 1, so that's the only way you could die. Of course, there are obvious advantages to not mislynching, but I was just pointing out the irony.

[kondi2424]

This is gonna sound really scummy, but since we know you're town, it might actually be an advantage to mislynch. Think about it, the only nightkill the mafia gets is if scum gets lynched Day 1, so that's the only way you could die. Of course, there are obvious advantages to not mislynching, but I was just pointing out the irony.

Let's think about this logic.

We have two scum, I'm guessing, since you said my post where I said three scum was a townslip. I must have mis-read the OP.

So, we lynch me, I flip town. Scum kill off one of their own. Do they kill one of their own

along

with another town player, or are they forced to kill only one of themselves?

So, let's think. 8 people, two scum. I get lynched, scum kills themselves off, 6 people, two scum. You would then have two probable shots at hitting the mafia from that point on. If that's optimal play for you then to be honest, I wouldn't mind doing it. I've been lynched as town several times on this website because I'm scummy, it's just weird to me that the reason I'd be lynched this time is because I'm so town.

LOL, more slipping. We have three scum, but only two have to be lynched to win. You slipped the first time because you thought there were two scum originally.

The whole point of my thinking is to keep you alive. If we lynch town, you stay alive the rest of the game and scum kill off one of their own. If we lynch scum, you die, but... we lynch scum. So what do we do?

We have two options.
1. We choose which advantage we like better, and lynch accordingly.
2. If we can't come to a consensus, we lynch someone null that we won't be able to read easily later, or that wouldn't be too useful later.

[kondi2424]

If Trevor and Whiskers are scum together, I could see Glass being the third. Thoughts?

[kondi2424]

/inb4peggedscumteamonpage5

[kondi2424]

Whiskers, you're on my blacklist.

[kondi2424]

I've completed games with you, Whiskers. You're on my blacklist because you're an asshole.

Also, you're not reading ANY OF MY FUCKING POSTS. I'm not going to answer to you because every question you've asked so far has been something you're too lazy to find the answer for yourself.

[kondi2424]

Whiskers, replace Trevor with PM.

Also willing to hammer.

[kondi2424]

You say that, it makes me want to hammer you.

Although, if you're town, scum has to kill a scum.

If you're scum, scum gets to kill a best townie.

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum.

I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again.

Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

Whether or not you are really scum, I'm glad we scumhunted and didn't just play "Wisdom of the Crowds."

Kondi wanted to lynch based on who he didn't like-- me.

Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

I'm convinced that you're scum, and will stop correcting you on the

bolded

as I'm pretty sure it's blatantly misrepping me now.
The WIFOM in the

italicized

parts is noted.
As for the

underlined

, if Trevor is scum, any towncred he tries to give would be ignored, as he would be scum.

[kondi2424]

kondi is absolutely town. Not to be touched tomorrow if

she

he survives the night.

You're really not getting this? If Trevor flips scum, scum has to kill a teammate. If I am scum, I will be killed, Probably, by my faction, as I am the "weakest link."
If Trevor flips town, the scum gets to kill a townie. I will not be the kill there, almost for certain, as I am the "weakest link."

Oh, I know what you were getting at. I just think it's funny.

If Trevor flips scum, this means nothing.

If Trevor flips town and you're not dead tomorrow, you'll be pushing the idea that you

must

be town because you didn't kill yourself.

THIS. This this this. But I would have let him do it, and

then

called him out on it. Whiskers is still scum.


Honestly, I think Trevor would have self-hammered out of this if he was scum.

[kondi2424]

@Whiskers: That's a stupid question. Yes.

[kondi2424]

So... we lynch me, scum kills kondi?

LOL, I love your subliminal messaging.

Uh, yeah? For example, GNR will go straight to the bottom.

*Of mine

[preedit]
Trevor, You think I'm a really bad player, and I'm scum?
Why?

I want to lynch you today, hence you being at the bottom of the list.

Vote: whiskers

zmuffin and kondi have towntold, Juls and GNR are more of a toss-up. Glass is scum, whiskers is scum.

@pmatt, 111582

Glass has taken my refusal to RVS and over-exaggerated it into a scumtell. The only RVS I have posted was when I was scum. That was also a month ago, did it occur to you that I could have changed my theory about RVSing?

The list wasn't a list of "not-lynch to do-lynch," it was a list of "best-player to worst-player". So, why do you think I am the "least likely to play well"?

It is my belief that alignment doesn't affect ability.

I just explained in my last post that I misworded my question. Nice misrep.

@projectmatt: I actually do think Whiskers is scum at this point

Why Whiskers mafia? Also why did you decide to make everyone re-do the list when you were in the list of least liked people?

Whiskers mafia: Post 66 is full of questions that could have been easily answered if she actually would have read my post. In Post 76, she happens to apparently not read my most recent post, where I stated to have used bad choice of words in my question. And, in Post 84, she obviously

knows

I'm scum, but she hasn't laid down a vote yet. Not bad for a Page 4 suspicion, especially in a game like this.

You say that, it makes me want to hammer you.

Although, if you're town, scum has to kill a scum.

If you're scum, scum gets to kill a best townie.

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum.

I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again.

Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

Whether or not you are really scum, I'm glad we scumhunted and didn't just play "Wisdom of the Crowds."

Kondi wanted to lynch based on who he didn't like-- me.

Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

I'm convinced that you're scum, and will stop correcting you on the

bolded

as I'm pretty sure it's blatantly misrepping me now.
The WIFOM in the

italicized

parts is noted.
As for the

underlined

, if Trevor is scum, any towncred he tries to give would be ignored, as he would be scum.

[kondi2424]

This as an attack on Trevor, not on you. I didn't misrep you, nor did I misrep him. Also, this was in reference to the second question, which

was

, in fact, as list of best to worst player. Exactly, it was "Who do you think it the most likely to play well to the least likely to play well?"
Trevor gave his list. His list was not answering the question, instead, it was a list of, "Who do I want to lynch? Least to most."
I did not misrep either of you.

But you continued to call my list "best to worst player" after I told you it wasn't.

@projectmatt: I actually do think Whiskers is scum at this point

Why Whiskers mafia? Also why did you decide to make everyone re-do the list when you were in the list of least liked people?

Whiskers mafia: Post 66 is full of questions that could have been easily answered if she actually would have read my post. In Post 76, she happens to apparently not read my most recent post, where I stated to have used bad choice of words in my question. And, in Post 84, she obviously

knows

I'm scum, but she hasn't laid down a vote yet. Not bad for a Page 4 suspicion, especially in a game like this.

I did read it. I also said I didn't understand it. Then, after you attacked me personally some more, I went back and quoted and dissected that post, and still didn't understand. You never clarified, you never tried to explain, you just said, "If you would have read, you'd get it." Well, I read. I don't get it. I'm under the impression I'm heavily brain-damaged, and I'm probably off soiling myself as you read this, but I still don't know what the hell you were attacking me for. I certainly can't defend myself against it. Since you won't explain to me what your accusation was, I defend myself against the only other thing I can find-- You decided you don't like me.
It's a little neat how you tried to disguise it with, "Let's all pick what players we like the least!" and make it a Wisdom of the Crowds-policy lynch. Didn't work, did it, Kondi?
Explain what your case on me is. Stop avoiding doing so. I don't understand. Stop trying to refer me to posts and explain.

I honestly don't believe that you still don't understand, but for the sake of the argument, I'll explain it. I meant to ask the question: "How well do you think people will play in this game, from most well to least well?", and made my list accordingly. With that mentality, you being at the bottom of many people's lists, and seeing the advantages of lynching town and scum in this setup, I thought it would be a good idea to lynch the person who was least likely to play well throughout the rest of our mafia game. This is as clear as I can make it.
It's a little neat how you AGAIN misrep my idea as if you have no idea how it could be useful, and you label me as known scum again.

You say that, it makes me want to hammer you.

Although, if you're town, scum has to kill a scum.

If you're scum, scum gets to kill a best townie.

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum.

I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again.

Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

Whether or not you are really scum, I'm glad we scumhunted and didn't just play "Wisdom of the Crowds."

Kondi wanted to lynch based on who he didn't like-- me.

Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

I'm convinced that you're scum, and will stop correcting you on the

bolded

as I'm pretty sure it's blatantly misrepping me now.
The WIFOM in the

italicized

parts is noted.
As for the

underlined

, if Trevor is scum, any towncred he tries to give would be ignored, as he would be scum.

Again, Wisdom of the crowds. I use that as your only attack against me because I don't understand your other ones and you refuse to explain them. I'm not misrepping you in any way. If you think I am, prove it.
the italicized parts

are

wifom, that is correct.
I explained the bolded parts-- also wifom, as it turns out.

Everything here has been explained previously.

Every comment up to this point has been in bold.

Kondi, Trevor, explain your cases on me. You may refer to specific posts, but you must reword the information, or provide new information. Until you do,

You both have rvs/policy votes on me.

AHAHAHAHA. You know that's a lie. I've given you reasons for why I suspect you.
Also, I'm pretty sure I set my own requirements for a case.

Kondi, why didn't you flake when you came under pressure? This is a real and legitimate question.

Why would I? Better yet, why didn't you flake when you came under pressure? These are real and legitimate questions.

FYI, I do realize this is

another

hidden personal attack. Fuck you, too.

[kondi2424]

I honestly don't believe that you still don't understand, but for the sake of the argument, I'll explain it. I meant to ask the question: "How well do you think people will play in this game, from most well to least well?", and made my list accordingly. With that mentality, you being at the bottom of many people's lists, and seeing the advantages of lynching town and scum in this setup, I thought it would be a good idea to lynch the person who was least likely to play well throughout the rest of our mafia game. This is as clear as I can make it.
It's a little neat how you AGAIN misrep my idea as if you have no idea how it could be useful, and you label me as known scum again.

Now that I think I understand, I will keep pretending I don't understand, just for a second. Why is it "a good idea to lynch the person who is least likely to play well throughout the rest of the game"? Like I said, I think I get it now, I'm just trying to understand more fully.

Because there is a smaller incentive in lynching scum D1 than any other day. This might be our only time to lynch players that won't be useful, and we might gain from it, too.

I was AGAIN being a bitch about how you weren't explaining to me.

AHAHAHAHA. You know that's a lie. I've given you reasons for why I suspect you.

Yes, but only in this post.

I've also given reasons in the posts that I quoted in post 182.

Also, I'm pretty sure I set my own requirements for a case.

I'm pretty sure you won't. I wanted to understand, not for you to give me a bunch of quotes and pretend like they mean something.
Please note: You did follow my requirements.

I did that for the sake of argument. Don't expect it any more.

[Personal attacks deleted]

Game Rules:

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other,

don’t get personal

, and enjoy the game. Playing to win does not preclude being considerate of each other!

Requesting a modkill on Whiskers for blatantly breaking the Golden Rule, amirite?

[kondi2424]

The modkill request was sarcastic, but I'm trying to stop you from continuing. Now we've been reminded of that rule.

[kondi2424]

I know I have

stupid

things to respond to but I am really not going to do it tonight. This game is wearing on my nerves really quickly and I don't really care who is lynched anymore.

Best mentality of Day 1 so far.

[kondi2424]

[kondi2424]

Then? Push a lynch through.

Oh wait, a plurality.

Wait, wait-- Damn it.

Gracious Mod, Votecount?

Might be better to Not lynch scum, that way they can't take out one of our more influential players.

This is what I've been saying the whole time. -_-

I seriously think this setup is so scum sided. It is such a long shot for town to win. Has it been run before?

Almost half of you are scum and we only get 1 mislynch. I am feeling a strong gut read on glass. I know, pretty weak but something is off. I'm a bit confused on Trevor now.

vote: glass

We get two mislynches if we mess up today.

[kondi2424]

Well, since apparently EVERYONE sees something in Whiskers that makes her town, I must be missing something. I'll assume I'm crazy and move on. UNVOTE: VOTE: Trevor

[kondi2424]

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me who gets lynched of the two. Trevor is more likely to be scum in my opinion, but as I said, there are advantages to lynching both town and scum. They both contribute about the same, and it's a close deadline.

[kondi2424]

Haven't really looked at anyone extensively, because that's what tomorrow's for, but so far, yes.

[kondi2424]

Even with my vote, it would just be putting Glass at L-1 instead of Trevor. And I like the Trevor lynch more.

[kondi2424]

Any reason?

[kondi2424]

You guys do realize this is nightless besides N1, right?

[kondi2424]

Nightless game is nightless. We need to lynch one of the scum in the next two days.

[kondi2424]

When did you start developing that read?

[kondi2424]

Alright, everyone's top 2 suspects, go.

Whiskers and Trevor.

PEdit: You answered my question before I asked it. O_o

[kondi2424]

I didn't necessarily say you were the scumteam. I said, "top 2 suspects". I find it very likely one of you is scum. I still want the question answered.

Does anyone see where I'm going with this?

[kondi2424]

This game is nightless starting now. We have a mislynch.

projectmatt, answer my question pweez.

[kondi2424]

Exactly.

[kondi2424]

Interesting fact: Every player is viewing this thread except Muffin.

[kondi2424]

Whiskers, you too.

[kondi2424]

Alright, everyone's top 2 suspects, go.

[kondi2424]

I'm gonna wait for Muffin's answer.

[kondi2424]

Patience. Depending on Muffin's answer, I will probably join a GNR wagon.

[kondi2424]

VOTE: GNR

[kondi2424]

I'm getting impatient.

[kondi2424]

No one hammer until he responds.

[kondi2424]

If what you said is true, Trevor, wouldn't a Muffin lynch be better?

[kondi2424]

You said the two options are:
1. Muffin/GNR scumteam
2. GNR town.
Which implies that GNR can only be scum with Muffin. But Muffin can be scum without GNR. Explain.

[kondi2424]

I don't want you to vote Muffin. I want to see why you aren't.

[kondi2424]

But you're voting GNR, when he can only be scum with Muffin.

[kondi2424]

Oh god.

I am truly a failure.

[kondi2424]

bio

[kondi2424]

Quicker than expected. Have the general feel for the goings-on up until now and comfortable enough to have active discussions. I have never played this setup before, but based on the wiki info, scum lynch on D1 is pretty devastating to mafia.

I was originally suspicious of Kondi based on their push to basically randomize the d1 lynch with lists of favorites (1)

(for some reason they were given town cred for this). Based on the final voting of the day, I still see Kondi as logically scum. I see whiskers as

possible

partner simply because I don't think mafia would vote mafia on d1. The other factor would be their in thread arguing which would make it look like they wouldn't be partners. Whisker's play has been consistent with my limited experience playing with them though (now with 80% less pink) and they stuck their neck out saying they wouldn't lynch glass.

Trevor right now will be a town read for me. Until I have reason to suspect scum pushed a D1 scum lynch. They both went at each other fairly hard.

One other note on why I suspect Kondi is the Juls death.

She was one of the first and most consistent 'kondi is town' posters. Her flip as town would help him the most since her reads would then be followed more closely as proven town. (2)

If she lived and kept calling him town, he might have gotten lynched by association without others knowing she was town. (3)

VOTE: kondi

1. It wasn't "randomized". If you read my posts, I have clear reasoning, and it's true that the D1 lynch in this setup doesn't matter as much. What about that is scummy?

2. Her posts towards the end of the day showed that she was having doubts of me being town. Your argument is invalid.

3. Why would I be lynched BEFORE Juls in that situation?


projectmatt: Explain your vote, without using "I'm sheeping bio" as a reason. That looks like a really bad sheep.

[kondi2424]

Ah. UNVOTE: VOTE: projectmatt

[kondi2424]

That was a really bad sheep.

[kondi2424]

I did think you were sheeping. Your reasoning for voting GNR was because he was lurking. Am I wrong? And now that bio is active, I could see a change in view from your side. And whenever you give suckish reasons like that, I vote for you.

projectmatt: Explain your vote, without using "I'm sheeping bio" as a reason. That looks like a really bad sheep.

[kondi2424]

Ah, that's cool.

[kondi2424]

Yes, I still think you're mafia.

I also think the only people still sensible in this game are Muffin and bio, and one is probably scum too.

Imma go look for the person who's setting this up, so you guys know what to do tomorrow.

[kondi2424]

Your avi makes it all the better. xD

[kondi2424]

Why aren't Muffin/pmatt the team?

[kondi2424]

I get your point. IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME, OKAY!? Plus, at first I didn't know it was White Flag, until someone pointed it out to me.

You think they are hardcore bussing knowing that they can't pull it off?

I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying it's possible. I like both of their points on each other, and think at least one is scum, just as people are saying one of me or Whiskers is scum.

If both of those were true, however, both Trevor and bio would be town. I'm willing to believe this. Most evidence on GNR was based on lurking (which is now invalid) and POE (which works both ways). Trevor was scummy yesterday, but has struck me as town recently, and works with the POE.

The problem is, there's something shady in the me-or-Whiskers argument. Yesterday, everyone thought it was Town vs Town, and now one of us has to be scum. How did the switch occur?

[kondi2424]

Yes, I still think you're mafia.

Why?

It's a 50/50 with Muffin, due to POE.

[kondi2424]

kcool UNVOTE: VOTE: Muffin

[kondi2424]

What. Kondi? You think I'm scum but you also think I'm trying to bus my partner in white-flag mafia?

Yes, I still think you're mafia.

Why?

It's a 50/50 with Muffin, due to POE.

And you can do reaction tests but I can't?

[kondi2424]

Most everyone is assuming that one of {kondi, Whiskers} is scum. Most everyone is assuming that one of {projectmatt, zMuffinMan} is scum. Therefore, I think that Whiskers is scum with either pmatt or Muffin.

...wow. UNVOTE: VOTE: Whiskers

[kondi2424]

@kondi,

why do you think it's a 50/50 between matt and I? what do you think of the things i brought up about matt a few pages ago?

will you lynch matt today?

I've just seen a lot of people saying that, honestly, and it seems plausible. You have great points on matt.

I would lynch matt.

[kondi2424]

What he's saying makes sense, but comes to the wrong conclusion. Do you disagree that Trevor was scummy yesterday? If not, I don't see why me voting Trevor over Glass would make me scum.

[kondi2424]

On what evidence?

[kondi2424]

kk

[kondi2424]

To get people to unvote, maybe?

[kondi2424]

Lolno. WIFOM beats that out, and Muffin knows it.

Although, is anyone interested in lynching pmatt instead?

[kondi2424]

I think Muffin looks town from the last page or two. Any alternatives for today? UNVOTE: VOTE: projectmatt

Yes, but only if we can lynch YOU after HE flips town.

lol

[kondi2424]

Fuck. I honestly can't find a team.

VOTE: BBmolla

[kondi2424]

Yeah, koindi is a scummy dude...

[kondi2424]

Trevor, you seriously think Muffin is scum after yesterday? Muffin would have to be pretty freaking ballsy to vote himself at 6 hours to deadline.

There are three people that I find HIGHLY unlikely to be scum, and they are Trevor, Muffin, and bio. Unfortunately, one of them is. Whiskers is the other one.

[kondi2424]

@Trevor: Why is bio town from your POV?

[kondi2424]

It was pretty much the same thing that happened with you, he started lookinng scummy when he was about to be lynched.

[kondi2424]

I was answering Muffin's question. What the fuck are you going on about?

[kondi2424]

Lol, meant to say towny.