Open 357: Scumhunter's Speed 8P

[Whiskers]

/I suggest a massclaim.

[Whiskers]

Vote: El Muffin Man

[Whiskers]

Sorry, sorry, I was kind of in "lynch all liars" mode. Muffs is setting a nice tone for the rest of the game where he will say, "look how lighthearted I am! obvtown."

[Whiskers]

Oh jesus, he's right!

Unvote

[Whiskers]

Odd, that's

exactly

why I like ingame conf.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Guy_Named_Riggs

Trying too hard to come off as town. Confirmed mafia. The partner is Glass.

But nothing on Muff or Juls?

Interesting, but I'll let Juls have this one for free since his was the post that got the game going.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, sorry, I was kind of in "lynch all liars" mode. Muffs is setting a nice tone for the rest of the game where he will say, "look how lighthearted I am! obvtown."

I don't like this at all. Does this mean you were actually suggesting a massclaim whiskers? Because your justification of "lynch all liars" from a joke is very strange considering that it was a response to what i read as a joke from you.

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that.

[Whiskers]

I see, I figured that votes that occured before the game started would not count.

I'd also believe that to be correct.


However, I have a different gripe with Juls's post.
Saying Whiskers is scum-- okay, fine. It's early, RVS, even. Saying, "lynch whiskers"-- alright, maybe, but it's a bit early to push for a lynch.
But here's the bit:
Day one will be a red herring-- Great, okay. But instead of letting players slip and talk so you'll have information Tomorrow? Not cool. If we use your plan, We Lynch a Townie, Nightkill a Townie, and then we have RVS on Day 2.

So....?
HoSsing Juls.

[preedit]
Got ninjad.

[Whiskers]

Oh. Okay.

Yeah, I didn't quite get this setup, and tbh, I completely FORGOT that's how this worked.

But if we lynch a mafia, doesn't it go into white flag?

[Whiskers]

So, here's the question-- actually, a few.

Juls: what is your case on me in all of this?
Trevor, why am I your least favorite player!? ;__;

As for my list, I'm letting reads taint it a little.
Glass, GNR, Muffin, Trevor, Juls, Matt, Kondi.
So, what, no reasons or anything? I don't see what the point of this is, will you reveal it once you have them all? Or will you just replace out?

[Whiskers]

I have a hatred for Ponies, nothing personal.

Actually that is rather personal, and has nothing to do with my alignment in the game. It's a shame, too, because Cats are better than just about anything. I started out as a cat. Ponies are just a thing-- somewhere to belong.

First my list:
kondi2424
Glass
zMuffinMan
projectmatt
Trevor
Guy_Named_Riggs
Whiskers

Second:
Whiskers my case so far on you is that you voted muffin then after I voted for you, you basically apologized for voting and unvoted. I think you realized you were about to get a lot of attention and rethought it. Then, you questioned matt for not talking about me in his post while you gave me a pass. I didn't like the buddying.

For 2.25 pages I think that's pretty strong.

First: Oh, Why, Why, Juls? We have a history!
9__9

Second: Not... really. You voted for me without any reasoning.
My apology was because, when you voted me, it made me realize it probably looked bad.
The Unvote was unrelated. It was, oh, a joke-unvote, in response to Muffin's joke defense of himself using my attack of him.
Then, I gave you a pass because your post was the one that opened the game up-- caused me to apologize. Activity increased.

Yeah, I look back and read, and what you say is fairly stable after all. It's a misinterpretation, or a misrepresentation, but you can't know my intent when you read something and I totally see how you came to the conclusions you did.

Why did you vote me in the first place?

Glass, why is Juls town?
GNR, why did

you

vote me in the first place?
Kondi, have you

replaced out

flaked yet?
[preedit]
Trevor, in what was is "RVS fundamentally flawed"? What does that even mean?

[Whiskers]

You can't reaction test when everyone knows you are reaction testing. RVS is just a way to start games and create bandwagons.

And.....? So, the game started, and a bandwagon was made. Seems pretty successful to me.
Right?

And, yes, you can reaction test in RVS. Nopony out and out announces, "I'M GOING TO REACTION TEST YOU NOW," at least not if they

expect

to get away with it.



NVM about what I said about hating ponies in my last post. I remembered that that's "favorite players," and not "scummiest players."

[Whiskers]

we could use this day to get rid of the least valuable player, which seems to be between me and Whiskers.

What have I done to merit the title of "least valuable player"?
Oh, and what have

you

done for that title?
And why are you trying to turn it into a 1-v-1 of you verses me?

You will answer these questions.

Also, what was your whole bullshit list thing supposed to do?

[Whiskers]

To make a list myself:

zMuffinMan
Juls
Glass
projectmatt
Trevor
Guy_Named_Riggs
Whiskers

Now, this isn't as strong as I thought it was since I now know there's a slight advantage to lynching scum D1, but it still applies. Since D1 is simply a red herring,

VOTE: Whiskers

This is the part I didn't quote. Hm, funny, it doesn't explain at all!

Also, being hated and being "least valuable" are hardly the same thing, but thanks for trying. If I knew I would be playing "Wisdom of the Crowds," I wouldn't have signed up to play "MAFIA."

[Whiskers]

Uh, yeah? For example, GNR will go straight to the bottom.

*Of mine

[preedit]
Trevor, You think I'm a really bad player, and I'm scum?
Why?

[Whiskers]

Now, this isn't as strong as I thought it was since I now know there's a slight advantage to lynching scum D1, but it still applies. Since D1 is simply a red herring, we could use this day to get rid of the least valuable player, which seems to be between me and Whiskers. VOTE: Whiskers

Okay, I honestly don't get what I'm supposed to understand here.

"Now, this isn't as strong as I thought it was since I now know there's a slight advantage to lynching scum D1, but it still applies."
>Your plan isn't as strong as you thought it was.
>Isn't there always an advantage to lynching Scum D1? I'm interpretting this as "there's

only

a slight advantage."
>Whatever your plan was supposed to do, it still applies.

"Since D1 is simply a red herring, we could use this day to get rid of the least valuable player, which seems to be between me and Whiskers."
>D1 is a "red herring." I'm not quite sure what this means, I've only got it in context.
After a little research, a Red Herring is used to throw us off of... what? Related (sometimes considered synonymous), "Chewbacca Defense"-- used to confuse people. I'm not sure that's true, but this setup is weird, so let's assume for the moment that this is true.
>We will get rid of the "least valuable player," which is a lie, since you seem to be trying to get rid of the "least liked player"
>That's apparently You and I.

"Vote: Whiskers"
>"I'm hated, you're hated, I'll lynch you."

No, seriously, What am I missing?

[Whiskers]

Uh, yeah? For example, GNR will go straight to the bottom.

*Of mine

[preedit]
Trevor, You think I'm a really bad player, and I'm scum?
Why?

I want to lynch you today, hence you being at the bottom of the list.

Vote: whiskers

zmuffin and kondi have towntold, Juls and GNR are more of a toss-up. Glass is scum, whiskers is scum.

@pmatt, 111582

Glass has taken my refusal to RVS and over-exaggerated it into a scumtell. The only RVS I have posted was when I was scum. That was also a month ago, did it occur to you that I could have changed my theory about RVSing?

The list wasn't a list of "not-lynch to do-lynch," it was a list of "best-player to worst-player". So, why do you think I am the "least likely to play well"?

It is my belief that alignment doesn't affect ability.

[Whiskers]

Aah, also, Glass mentions other RVS votes you've done in Ongoing games. If you want me to break site-rules and explicitly point them out for you, I can do that. Shall I do that?

[Whiskers]

Sure, but I, personally, am in a bit of a delicate situation. As soon as I vote, some player will find it as a reason to hammer.

[Whiskers]

So... we lynch me, scum kills kondi?

[Whiskers]

It's possible, with Juls being slightly town in mind. Like I stated before, Glass specifically looking into Trevor's games for a specific tell felt so strange to me that it seemed planned. In fact I'd say a Trevor\Glass\Whiskers team is completely possible.

Actually, you had said that

I

had looked into his meta and

I

seemed scummy for that.
Oh, and for

my

push for trevor lynch, which I may have done, but donm't remember having done.

I don't know any of the scum. I get a town feel from PM, and a scum feel from trevor. Trevor has a case to be made against him, Glass is doing that. I don't know how to feel about glass (other than grateful for being defended). I don't know how to feel about kondi, or about juls-- the two

other

players attacking me. I think I can just wait for kondi to flake and then I'll try to read his replacement. Juls attacked me for a while and now has disappeared?


What this all comes down to is, What game do you want to play? Do you want to play the game where we find and lynch scum, or the game where we carelessly mislynch town because then scum has to kill one of their own anyway?
Kondi's point there is valid. We all have townreads on Matt, right? Mislynch another townie, scum has to kill another scum, one "cleared" townie, two mafia, five non-"cleared" townies. The advantage being that we have a "clear."

The alternative is, do we want to play normally, where we try to lynch scum. Glass wants to do that. I would like to do that, that's what I thought I was signing up for. I find I was

wrong

-- this is an entirely different game.


BTW, GNR is town for a lack of lurking/fumbling.

[Whiskers]

Whiskers, you're on my blacklist.

Oh really? Why? You're on mine because you replace out of every game ever.

Sorry, that's not true, you

flake

out of every game. I've never read a game with you in it that you didn't flake out of. But that's not really the case at hand, is it?

But that's what you're trying to MAKE it.
So, after all of this, "make a list of players you don't like," you're trying to get me lynched because you don't like me. Not because you think I'm mafia.

Good to know.

[Whiskers]

I've completed games with you, Whiskers. You're on my blacklist because you're an asshole.

Also, you're not reading ANY OF MY FUCKING POSTS. I'm not going to answer to you because every question you've asked so far has been something you're too lazy to find the answer for yourself.

Nope, every single time I've asked-- like, how about the one where I dissect your "case" on me? Some other player backed you up in saying that the case was obvious and I hadn't read it-- I went back, looked at it, took it part by part, and asked if I was missing anything. I didn't have the answers to any of my questions, still. I asked if I was missing anything. I don't recall having gotten an answer.

[Whiskers]

Why do YOU care if somepony hammers, Juls?
You said that it's a very scummy hammer when PM does it, but PM is also scummy for (a, not hammering, and b, being cautious about L-1) saying a hammer is scummy?

I'm confused.

Juls: Trevor, you just quickhammered and that was scummy.
Trevor: No, I didn't. Also, I think that it would be scummy to quickhammer.
Juls: Why do you think it would be scummy to quickhammer?
Whiskers: Why do

you

think it would be scummy to quickhammer?

[Whiskers]

Whiskers, replace Trevor with PM.

Also willing to hammer.

Right, right, my bad.

__

Again, why so you care if he is hammered Juls?

[Whiskers]

You say that, it makes me want to hammer you.

Although, if you're town, scum has to kill a scum.

If you're scum, scum gets to kill a best townie.

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum. I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again. Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

Whether or not you are really scum, I'm glad we scumhunted and didn't just play "Wisdom of the Crowds." Kondi wanted to lynch based on who he didn't like-- me. Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

[Whiskers]

Alright, well 7/8 is good enough for now, Day One begins now.

Flavor will be inserted here later.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadine: (expired on 2011-11-16 17:00:00)

Deadline draws near. I'll hammer before it occurs.

[Whiskers]

Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

Are you serious?

Read my post, I think it's pretty obvious what the answer is.

[Whiskers]

Whiskers and pmatt are scum. Kondi is town.

Why?

Trevor, you seem to have missed this.

[Whiskers]

Why do you want Trevor dead? I thought you wanted me dead. Make up your mind.

I am looking for scum. You, on the other hoof, pushed for my lynch until there was an alternative.

[Whiskers]

Yes,

town

is. Do you realize scum can change their minds, too?

Reads change, but with as much conviction as you had, as hard as you were pushing my lynch, the 180 looks more than a little bit off.

[Whiskers]

So, Juls, when did I

stop

being obvscum?

[Whiskers]

Right, right, but you didn't answer my question. See, Juls,

I

think that

you're

scum.

[Whiskers]

Reading PM's ISO, whatever.
Can I hammer now? You can bug him for bullshit tomorrow, unless he's killed, in which case, "who cares, he's dead?".

[Whiskers]

Kondi, tell me any other reason you were trying to lynch me.
Do it. I've asked and asked, I've gotten no answer. If there's another reason, you're hiding it from me. Go ahead and tell me.

[Whiskers]

Trevor, you're framing. I don't know whether I've fallen for it or not.

I don't think kondi is town, I didn't think he was before, I'm missing the fantastic towntell he's made. The only thing I can find is that Trevor is calling him town, as though trying to trick us into thinking he's trying to clear his scumbuddy.

[Whiskers]

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum. I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again. Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

You're really not getting this? If Trevor flips scum, scum has to kill a teammate. If I am scum, I will be killed, Probably, by my faction, as I am the "weakest link."
If Trevor flips town, the scum gets to kill a townie. I will not be the kill there, almost for certain, as I am the "weakest link."

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

Just to be clear, you've changed your mind and now think Kondi is town? Or you don't understand the mechanics of the game? Or what was this even supposed to mean?

Um, no? I never said that Kondi was town. I said that:
Trevor is trying to give Kondi towncred.
When Trevor flips scum, scum wi--

Yeah, okay. My bad. If Trevor flips scum, an dKondi is scum, then Mafia

can't

kill kondi. Got it. My mistake.

I'd also like to see how Trevor reacts and to see his dying thoughts before he gets hammered on.

So what

are

your thoughts on how he reacted to it?

I'd like to know this too. Trevor has been given lots of time to react, can I hammer now?

Right, right, but you didn't answer my question. See, Juls, I think that you're scum.

Why? Is this

with

Kondi and Trevor?

Idfk. Juls came down hard and fast on me, now has backed off. Juls at least had a case, which is far better than Trevor ("I hate ponies") or Kondi ("I hate Whiskers").

Muffinman, where have

you

been for the last several days?

[Whiskers]

With the power of wifom, you, scum, are saying,

"Kondi is sooo town."
Knowing that you are scum, we would take that and think, "Aha, Trevor is trying to clear a buddy!"
You, Trevor, not being a total fucking idiot, know this already-- and are trying to give us a scum read on Kondi by calling him town.

We, the town, are also not total fucking idiots-- except me-- and say that Kondi

must

be town. I can't come up with another reason they think he is town aside from this wifom I just brought.

I, an incredible dumbass, Think Kondi is scum, and have not yet decided whether or not this really stupid wifom, that I am obviously a retarded cunt for having thought about at all, strengthens or weakens my scum read on kondi.

[Whiskers]

I would actually expect glass to kill himself over whiskers for wifom and his terrible RVS argument against me.

My

terrible RVS argument against you? My terrible argument is against your "RVS"

vote,

which, I should remind you, is still there.

You given no other reason as to why I am scum aside from, "Oh man, I fucking hate ponies." Eat a dick?

I don't think kondi is town, I didn't think he was before, I'm missing the fantastic towntell he's made. The only thing I can find is that Trevor is calling him town, as though trying to trick us into thinking he's trying to clear his scumbuddy.

How exactly would Trevor "clear" his scumbuddy by calling him town?

Gave this in my last post. I'm clearly a huge imbecile for it even ever crossing my tiny mind.

You're really not getting this? If Trevor flips scum, scum has to kill a teammate. If I am scum, I will be killed, Probably, by my faction, as I am the "weakest link."
If Trevor flips town, the scum gets to kill a townie. I will not be the kill there, almost for certain, as I am the "weakest link."

Oh, I know what you were getting at. I just think it's funny.

If Trevor flips scum, this means nothing.

If Trevor flips town and you're not dead tomorrow, you'll be pushing the idea that you

must

be town because you didn't kill yourself.

If Trevor flips scum, it means nothing.
If Trevor flips town, I'll analyze the scumflip.

Muffinman, where have you been for the last several days?

Busy. I didn't had much time to post over the weekend. In any of my games.

Considering there was a period of about 60 hours where 4 players in this game weren't posting (you being one of them), I don't think see why you're criticising me in particular for activity.

When was that? I don't recall. Also, I don't recall ever,

ever

not posting in this game for 60 hours-- if I did, then I was also the last one to post.

I called you out on it, because you were there for a little small time in the beginning of the game, and then just up and disappeared and I thought it was a little weird.

[Whiskers]

Best of all, Why am I scum!?

That said, answer PM's questions first, I'm just so moronic that you could scoop out my pea-brain and I'd never notice.

[Whiskers]

Why shouldn't he ignore you? Your question is "why are you against a quickhammer?"

Why

should

he be

for

a quickhammer?

Aren't you a hypocrite when you yourself don't want a quickhammer?

[preedit]
Kondi, you'd never have gotten to call me out on it. But point taken. Your method, it might have been used to catch scum. Now, you'll never know.

[Whiskers]

Juls, do you have any reason for any of your reads?
Trevor, do you have any reason for any of your reads?
kondi, do you have any reason for any of your reads?

Where the hell is Guy_Named_Riggs?

[Whiskers]

@Whiskers: That's a stupid question. Yes.

No, they are completely random. (sarcasm)

Then

tell

us the reasons.

[Whiskers]

So... we lynch me, scum kills kondi?

LOL, I love your subliminal messaging.

Uh, yeah? For example, GNR will go straight to the bottom.

*Of mine

[preedit]
Trevor, You think I'm a really bad player, and I'm scum?
Why?

I want to lynch you today, hence you being at the bottom of the list.

Vote: whiskers

zmuffin and kondi have towntold, Juls and GNR are more of a toss-up. Glass is scum, whiskers is scum.

@pmatt, 111582

Glass has taken my refusal to RVS and over-exaggerated it into a scumtell. The only RVS I have posted was when I was scum. That was also a month ago, did it occur to you that I could have changed my theory about RVSing?

The list wasn't a list of "not-lynch to do-lynch," it was a list of "best-player to worst-player". So, why do you think I am the "least likely to play well"?

It is my belief that alignment doesn't affect ability.

I just explained in my last post that I misworded my question. Nice misrep.

This as an attack on Trevor, not on you. I didn't misrep you, nor did I misrep him. Also, this was in reference to the second question, which

was

, in fact, as list of best to worst player. Exactly, it was "Who do you think it the most likely to play well to the least likely to play well?"
Trevor gave his list. His list was not answering the question, instead, it was a list of, "Who do I want to lynch? Least to most."
I did not misrep either of you.

@projectmatt: I actually do think Whiskers is scum at this point

Why Whiskers mafia? Also why did you decide to make everyone re-do the list when you were in the list of least liked people?

Whiskers mafia: Post 66 is full of questions that could have been easily answered if she actually would have read my post. In Post 76, she happens to apparently not read my most recent post, where I stated to have used bad choice of words in my question. And, in Post 84, she obviously

knows

I'm scum, but she hasn't laid down a vote yet. Not bad for a Page 4 suspicion, especially in a game like this.

I did read it. I also said I didn't understand it. Then, after you attacked me personally some more, I went back and quoted and dissected that post, and still didn't understand. You never clarified, you never tried to explain, you just said, "If you would have read, you'd get it." Well, I read. I don't get it. I'm under the impression I'm heavily brain-damaged, and I'm probably off soiling myself as you read this, but I still don't know what the hell you were attacking me for. I certainly can't defend myself against it. Since you won't explain to me what your accusation was, I defend myself against the only other thing I can find-- You decided you don't like me.
It's a little neat how you tried to disguise it with, "Let's all pick what players we like the least!" and make it a Wisdom of the Crowds-policy lynch. Didn't work, did it, Kondi?
Explain what your case on me is. Stop avoiding doing so. I don't understand. Stop trying to refer me to posts and explain.

You say that, it makes me want to hammer you.

Although, if you're town, scum has to kill a scum.

If you're scum, scum gets to kill a best townie.

Please note that I would be the first to go, were I scum.

I almost got lynched, and I'll likely almost get lynched again.

Scum will leave me around for a mislynch, but will kill me first for being "a bad player."

Whether or not you are really scum, I'm glad we scumhunted and didn't just play "Wisdom of the Crowds."

Kondi wanted to lynch based on who he didn't like-- me.

Trevor wanted to lynch based on avatar.

When Trevor flips scum, I wonder if his partners will kill Kondi or leave kondi and hope the towncredit Trevor is trying to give him is successful.

I'm convinced that you're scum, and will stop correcting you on the

bolded

as I'm pretty sure it's blatantly misrepping me now.
The WIFOM in the

italicized

parts is noted.
As for the

underlined

, if Trevor is scum, any towncred he tries to give would be ignored, as he would be scum.

Again, Wisdom of the crowds. I use that as your only attack against me because I don't understand your other ones and you refuse to explain them. I'm not misrepping you in any way. If you think I am, prove it.
the italicized parts

are

wifom, that is correct.
I explained the bolded parts-- also wifom, as it turns out.

[Whiskers]

Glass makes a point I understand. (the same question that Juls asks, but now I get it.)

Kondi, Trevor, explain your cases on me. You may refer to specific posts, but you must reword the information, or provide new information. Until you do, You both have rvs/policy votes on me.

[Whiskers]

Why would scum waste it's kill on me? Wouldn't it kill a nice, accurate townie? I'm surely [personal attack about intelligence], so I would be a hell of a waste of a kill.

[Whiskers]

When did you get hammered? Juls unvoted you. Nopony else voted. Then Juls unvotes Matt and revoted you. You should be at L-1. Nonetheless, I'm not mafia. You are, but I am not.

[Whiskers]

Why? Glass is fine.

Besides, you never gave me a reason for your vote/attack for me.

If your next post doesn't have one, I'll hammer you.

[Whiskers]

Why is there no pressure on Juls? Why is there no pressure on kondi? Why does Trevor trolling let him off the hook?

[Whiskers]

Trevor:
Whiskers is scum, man I hate ponies.
Whiskers is scum. She's scum. Scum scum scum. Trololol, Whiskers is obvscum. There is so much scum that is named Whiskers, I think I shall vomit a delicious smoothie of Whiskers and Town, blended together, because as it is, they are two different things. Let's lynch this Whiskers-scum, it's so obvious. How could Whiskers not be scum? I'm pretty damn confident of Whiskers being scum.

Trevor comes under pressure:
Fuck you guys, I don't care about this game now that I'm gonna get lynched. Man, I'd better not help out the town (the faction to which I claim I belong), because they're all gonna lynch me, and man, If they're gonna lynch me, they're all stupid and stuff and I can't be bothered playing with any of them.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, the apathy there was an exaggeration.

My fos is on Juls, Kondi, Trevor, Muffinman. I'll judge GNR when he comes back (his meta is pretty transparent), Glass is no scummier than vague lurking, only hopping in every once in a while, ProjectMatt makes some kind of sense, and plays the game as I'm used to-- He scumhunts, he explains stuff. He doesn't bullshit around.

Juls, when Kondi said he had a master plan, you said you understood why and that he was town for it.

So, if you understood why, then "Why?"

[Whiskers]

Consider it this way:
I will omgus you for your heavy push, but entire lack of case, on me. Kondi is similarly guilty of this. Juls is a sheep, happy to throw her vote whereever, and cautious not to leave you at L-1 for too long, lest you get hammered.

Vote: Juls

Call it Rvs, w/e.

[Whiskers]

Oh? why?

[Whiskers]

No, the way I responded to you was "wtf are you doing." Why is Glass scum?

[Whiskers]

Your original attack was terrible. You called me scum for my avatar.

[Whiskers]

Also, iirc, his attack on you was that in this game, and in this game only, you expressed not liking RVS, and you decided not to participate in RVS. His original attack on you said that, in all other games so far, you were quite willing to participate in RVS and there were no examples to the contrary. His attack said that this game was the exception, and why was that? Why was it that, for this game, and this game alone, you decide to dislike RVS? Is it because you're scum? Because you're town? But you refused to answer the question directly. And that's your major fault, Trevor. Answer the damn questions.

His case on you was about Four-Hundred times better (more thought out, more indicative of scum, etc) than your case on me.
Answer the damn questions, Trevor.

[preedit]
Tell 'em, Glass.
I won't lynch Glass today. I won't lynch PM either. Considering that the deadline is so close, we won't be lynching GNR-- if he's scum, I'll be able to tell you clearly. I will lynch Trevor, kondi, Juls.

Kondi, why didn't you flake when you came under pressure? This is a real and legitimate question.

[Whiskers]

I know the answer to this one.

[Whiskers]

But you continued to call my list "best to worst player" after I told you it wasn't.

But you see, it was that. I first called it "favorite to least favorite player," and you told me it wasn't THAT. You changed your question so that it WAS "best to worst player"
"Player that plays the most well to player that plays the least well" is the same as "best to worst."

I honestly don't believe that you still don't understand, but for the sake of the argument, I'll explain it. I meant to ask the question: "How well do you think people will play in this game, from most well to least well?", and made my list accordingly. With that mentality, you being at the bottom of many people's lists, and seeing the advantages of lynching town and scum in this setup, I thought it would be a good idea to lynch the person who was least likely to play well throughout the rest of our mafia game. This is as clear as I can make it.
It's a little neat how you AGAIN misrep my idea as if you have no idea how it could be useful, and you label me as known scum again.

Now that I think I understand, I will keep pretending I don't understand, just for a second. Why is it "a good idea to lynch the person who is least likely to play well throughout the rest of the game"? Like I said, I think I get it now, I'm just trying to understand more fully.

I was AGAIN being a bitch about how you weren't explaining to me.

AHAHAHAHA. You know that's a lie. I've given you reasons for why I suspect you.

Yes, but only in this post.

Also, I'm pretty sure I set my own requirements for a case.

I'm pretty sure you won't. I wanted to understand, not for you to give me a bunch of quotes and pretend like they mean something.
Please note: You did follow my requirements.

Why would I? Better yet, why didn't you flake when you came under pressure? These are real and legitimate questions.

I don't know, why do you usually flake from games?
Bro, I never flake from games. If I flake from a game, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

FYI, I do realize this is

another

hidden personal attack. Fuck you, too.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hide it.

[Whiskers]

You know what, Kondi? It was returned blow for blow. I don't think you can really stand there, get me modkilled, and act like you haven't attacked me back.
The way I see it, you can take the personal attacks in stride, and push for a modkill, or you can take the law into your own hands and push back. You did the latter.

Nevertheless, if we lynch town, scum has to kill one of their own, right?

vote: Whiskers

. My hosses are on Juls, Trevor, and Kondi.

[Whiskers]

Then? Push a lynch through.

Oh wait, a plurality.

Wait, wait-- Damn it.

Gracious Mod, Votecount?

Might be better to Not lynch scum, that way they can't take out one of our more influential players.

[Whiskers]

I'll move my vote when we get a votecount, idfk who has the biggest wagon.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Juls

Scum is scum.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Trevor

Assuming I don't come back to this game.

Juls/Muffs pairing, Juls/Kondi pairing,

If Trevor flips scum, Is Glass still scum?


Juls the game doesn't

have

to revolve around me, it just kind of happens that way. I get a wagon on me for very poor reasons, I defend, and when the attackers back off, I pursue them. At least, that's what happened in this case.

[Whiskers]

Need more votes on Trevor, or votes on Juls. Glass wagon is scum.

Then again, why would scum push a mislynch? Wait-- I guess it's having to lynch one more scum over lynching Two more scum.

[Whiskers]

Cool, cool.

Vote Harder: Trevor

[Whiskers]

Nope. I'm missing the part where Glass has been scummy.
Project, If you have town reads on all of those, That still leaves Trevor. Why aren't you voting for Trevor?

[Whiskers]

Just like EVERYPONY sees something in Juls that makes her town.

Oh, except Glass.

[Whiskers]

But not going to vote trevor? I'm missing the part where this is good.

[Whiskers]

I'm kinda surprised they killed Juls over me. I guess Juls is the stronger scumhunter, but whatever.

Duh?

[Whiskers]

Didn't you have a twn read on me last night?
Let's see this poe.

[Whiskers]

Well, browsing the

forum

.

Trevor, your poe is that the players who voted with you are town?

Let's remember now, the mafia

knows

who the mafia is.

Furthermore, answer Kondi's question.

[Preedit]
He

means

, you've read the thread, right? Post your reads and fucking cases and shit. Jeez.

[Whiskers]

Me too... what?

[Whiskers]

Idfk. I though Glass was town.
Trevor still, and Muffin.

[Whiskers]

GNR could be. He's playing dumb so far.

I actually suspect he hasn't read the thread yet, but I want to point out that GNR's play is (usually) VERY transparent. I'll let you judge for yourself when he comes in, but personally, I think it will be easy to tell if he's scum or town.

[Whiskers]

Not in the situation he knows he's in.

???

No, I mean, he's really easy to read. If hye's scum, he'll fucking out himself in the next couple of posts.

[Whiskers]

That's actually pretty good reasoning.

[Whiskers]

PM: Where was Trevor towntelling? Assume I'm a noob at the game and actually want to know what he was doing that's a town-tell.

I'm also a little worried about GNR, but he hasn't posted in the game

I'm

modding either (he's due for a prod soon), so maybe he'll come in here when he goes in there?

Or maybe I'll just have to replace him across the board.

[Whiskers]

Why is not defending yourself a townie thing to do? why is "oh fuck you for lynching me" a towntelling reaction to being lynched?

Why is nightkill speculation towntelling WTF!?!?!?

He expected to die because we were about to lynch him.

[Whiskers]

Interesting. Yeah, I have no idea.

Willing to join the lynch on GNR. thoughts?

[Whiskers]

Cool with me--

Vote: GNR

Worst case scenario, we've got at least one mislynch.

[Whiskers]

That said, do we get any new info if GNR flips? This is only a good lynch if he flips scum.

[Whiskers]

(Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page, look to the left-hand side of the bottom of the screen.

Read, "Board index, Subscribe topic, Bookmark topic" with the respective icons. click the appropriate one.

Subscribe should give you updates in e-mail or something. Bookmark adds it to your bookmarked topics (which can be accessed right underneath the "logout" button).
Anything else?)

Answer Kondi's question please.

[Whiskers]

unvote

okay, but what do we do?

[Whiskers]

no nightkills, so we're not really in a rush for the whole rest of the game,right?

[Whiskers]

lolol. It's a valid argument though.

[Whiskers]

I'll set my watch.

[Whiskers]

Sounds like empking-- I asked him, "Where is your big useless list of unexplained but correct reads?" or something to that effect. Then he flipped scum.

Anyway, Trevs, whys it gotsta be one of me or kondi?

[Whiskers]

Meh.

[Whiskers]

9___9

Let's make scumteams, shall we!

[Whiskers]

Good, good.

Vote: Bionicchop

welp, that' game. I have a big headache.

[Whiskers]

I don't like the fact that what BC is saying makes sense.

[Whiskers]

What he's saying makes sense, but comes to the wrong conclusion. Do you disagree that Trevor was scummy yesterday? If not, I don't see why me voting Trevor over Glass would make me scum.

That's info/Analysis for you.

@Whiskers, explain to me how you got this read on Bion scum.

nope.


In other news, Muffin/Bio + PM/kondi?

[Whiskers]

None, just what I remember, which may be faulty. I didn't even bother to go back and look at the votecount, just whomever I could remember was buddying. Also, It doesn't include Trevor, so idfk.

[Whiskers]

Oh? I thought you havd a townread on me, bro!

[Whiskers]

Look at that fantastic case. I can't fucking argue with that logic.

Vote:Whiskers

[Whiskers]

Wow, this whole playstyle where you lurk, don't give reads for your stuff, and generally act like a bitch, really, really works!

[Whiskers]

No, but it's what

I'm

doing!
Guess who I'm pretending to be?

[Whiskers]

No, I'm talking about players like Empking and Hiraki. I have a grudge against them because they don't explain their reads and stuff. So now I'm, trying out playing the way I perceive them playing and it's fucking hilarious how well it works.

PM, be more specific.

[Whiskers]

I clearly stated my reads in my first post.

you didn't, really. you said you thought kondi is scum and whiskers is a possible partner, and you have a town read on trevor, but that's about it.

what do you think of matt?

2. The incentive for scum to not bus is huge. Can't see why you think that has no substance.

you're making assumptions that aren't necessarily correct based on probabilities. whether your theory has substance to it is irrelevant.

Muffin, you need to explain to me what's wrong about my posts. You're obviously not READING the game with some of those questions, as I explained why I voted Kondi (for his reaction). It wasn't a case that swayed me, that's why I'm not voting Kondi anymore, Muffin.

oh, i read your supposed reason for the kondi vote. but in #401 you unvoted your top suspect. something he said must have swayed your opinion of him. you said you agreed with his logic on kondiscum. i'm wondering what you specifically agreed with. you voted kondi. now you're saying 'lol reaction-gambit' and you didn't think kondi was scum - i call bullshit. especially considering you called his reaction to your vote 'bad'.

now you're saying you're not sure whiskers is town anymore. presumably because of magic and pixies or something that can't be explained. but he's not a scum read for you, either, obviously, because i'm your only scum read, based on... something or other.

none of your reads have any foundation and you're free to mix and match based on tells and vibes that you can't be held accountable to because you never explain your reads.

This is the post I voted right after. The bolded part is my favorite part.

Also, Yes, I'm making fun of them and it's annoying, that's WHY I'm making fun of them, BECAUSE it's annoying. And yet, when I do it, it gives Trevor the biggest town boner I've ever seen.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, let me repharase that-- Their playstyl is annoying, so I'm making fun of it. PErhaps my making fun of it is annoying, but I'm making fun of the annoyingness, is the point.

[Whiskers]

tbh i don't really care if i'm lynched today as long as matt is lynched tomorrow

I think this is the way to go.

Vote: MuffMan

[Whiskers]

Bionicchop, here's the good case:
Are you willing to lynch ProjectMatt tomorrow?

[Whiskers]

So... who ARE your top two suspects, and why are you willing to hammer Muffs?

[Whiskers]

So, I'll call his bluff. Either he's sucm with an AtE, or he's town with an FoS on PM (who now doesn't even

want

Muff lynched), and that's cool with me.

PM, whom would you

rather

lynch?

[Whiskers]

So, Muffinman is confirmed town.

[Whiskers]

Yes, but only if we can lynch YOU after HE flips town.

[Whiskers]

So, in short, kondi/bionicchop.

unvote

Excuse me sirs, I believe I have just drunked all the wine.

[Whiskers]

The lack of resistance here is amazing.

vote; Projectmatt

[Whiskers]

NEither can I, but every time koindi posts, I think it's him...

[Whiskers]

You and me, we should vote for him.

Vote: Koindini

He's a disappearing koin!!

[Whiskers]

Look: If we lynch now, and then there's four players, then it's

still

three to lynch. Right? So it's not even LyLo yet.

[Whiskers]

No? How

do

you think it works? Explain it to me. In-depth.

I'm pretty sure that

MAJORITY

is 50%+1. Is that incorrect?

[Whiskers]

unvote

[Whiskers]

Okay, top two list.
like, list of Top two.
In order. Go go go.

[preedit]
Why not? Also, list please.
[preedit2]
Not that it would matter, since he wasn't at L-1.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, top two list

of favorite scum.

Comedians will be lynched.

[Whiskers]

...Which means that I could have unvoted while you hammered. I usually give a few back and forth posts to make sure both players are online at the time, and no others are.
Also, give me a list of like,
1.
2.

Because I don't know who your foses were. EWasn't it like, Kondi and me?

[Whiskers]

Because I haven't paid that much attention. This is a small game that I got really turned off by when we decided to play wisdom of the crowds and lynch whomever we didn't like.

[Whiskers]

I"m having the same trouble with Trevor, actually.

Bio and Muffin go back and forth, for me.
Kondi, every time he posts, I feel a burning rage. He is currently my favorite lynch.

[Whiskers]

What bluff?

[Whiskers]

Let me put it this way-- I don't have a real strong investment in this game and would be happy to lynch him. However, there are only two of us online, and it would take a third to quickhammer him.

I don't have a great case on him, but I could probably make one up-- on any of you-- if I had the time and had the desire to do so.

With that in mind, I haven't seen anything really good come from him. He is trying, still, to lynch me, which is clearly wrong (FmP). I'm still pissed that he tried to lynch me early using the "Let's lynch the player nobody likes!" method --

and even more upset that other players considered it!

That's all, rght now.

[Whiskers]

I dunno. He just hasn't been posting as much. Less posting = less scummy posting.
Just goes to prove (again) that lurking favors scum.

[Whiskers]

??
That's odd, that's not what I said happened with Trevor at all!
Also, that's not what happened with me at all! I looked scummy when you decided to play the "Lynch who we hate!" game.

BUT

PLEASE,

GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW WE ONLY STARTED LOOKING SCUMMY WHEN WE WERE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED. BY ALL MEANS.

[Whiskers]

Fair enough.
Still, that means that:
Muffin looked scummy only when he was about to be lynched, and
Trevor looked scummy only when he was about to be lynched.

I disagree. (Also, when was Trevor almost lynched, Day 1?)

[Whiskers]

Oh, and, uh, Muffin was

town-seeming

when he was about to be lynched. So, that part's untrue, too.

[Whiskers]

I'd like to see the others.
I know my own suspects, and who I was putting on my list when I asked the question.
Kondi, especially, has had plenty of time and posts to answer this question.

[Whiskers]

Or, you know, you.

Let's make scumteams! zMuffinMan here has already begun that.

So. Give me explanations for why/why not:

Trevor+Kondi
Trevor+Whiksers
Trevor+Bionicchop
Trevor+zMuffinMan

Kondi+Whiskers
Kondi+Bionicchop
Kondi+zMuffinman

Whiskers+Bionicchop
Whiskers+zMuffinMan

Bionicchop+zMuffinMan.


Hard tunnelling can be used as a reason to clear a pairing.

go go go.

[Whiskers]

But... if he was lynched as town and we went after PMatt, then Muffin is town.
If he's scum, and we lynched him, we probabbly WOULN'T have lynched him...?

[Whiskers]

Kondi was also sheeping me, right? Off of Muff, onto PMatt.

Why haven't I seen a case on Kondi, from you, Bionicchop?

[Whiskers]

Because I almost got lynched because the other players don't like me. I stopped giving a shit.