Open 374 Pick Your Power - Redux!

[Amrun]

All I remember is that Xalxe is scum!

[Amrun]

Ugh, RD, how can you so completely miss the point?

The hammer itself never bothered anyone at all. It's what he said with his hammer - and I had had a long exchange with him before that in which I already decided he was quite scummy outside of that.

He buddied Tierce HARD - like, hard hard hard - with the obvious and specific purpose of engendering a town read from her based on a personal relationship. He fully admitted that Tierce, if town, is scary when she picks a target. I went through this in exhaustive length previously. THEN, when someone asked him why he was buddying Tierce, he denied buddying Tierce! The buddying was so obvious, in fact, that I had written it off as a too-obvious-he-did-it-on-purpose tell at first, before I realized he has NEVER PLAYED WITH TOWN TIERCE. Most of his buddying was based off of how good he says town Tierce is - but he's NEVER played with her as town! I questioned him on this and his responses were quite scummy indeed.

And then his hammer ... ugh. It's not about the hammer. It's about how after I had this exchange with him, and after he realized he was NOT going to get Tierce to read him as town, he made passive, weak, lame pushes at her. He was lining up mislynches. It has LITERALLY ZERO percent to do with the fact that he hammered.

And he's really been a limp noodle this game, which is unlike when I have played with him as town previously. His play reminds me of his scum play in Hoopla's recent PGO open game, which the site ate.

Even if you want to argue that his hammer is a minor towntell (and I disagree), why would a minor towntell outweigh all the things Xalxe has done that are scummy?

[Amrun]

WAIT A MINUTE YO I'm not voting Xalxe. Woops.

VOTE: Xalxe

[Amrun]

Wasnt it hiplop and not xalxe that was doing the weird buddy/threatening thing to Tierce?

NO IT WAS NOT

That's seriously the only response you have?

[Amrun]

LKJDA;LSKFDJA;SLDKFJ

NO

THERE WAS A THING WITH HIPLOP BUT IT'S 100% NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

[Amrun]

Not really sure why I got prodded when I've been posting regularly and just waiting for someone else to SAY SOMETHING.

For the love of God, can we lynch Xalxe now?

[Amrun]

You had better "decide" about Xalxe, and fast. What are your thoughts on him?

[Amrun]

I suspect Tierce but don't think they're on the same scumteam. So if I'm wrong about Xalxe, I would go there, but if Xalxe is scum, Tierce is probably town. I'm not entirely sure about my other suspicions atm. I had a better handle on them before the crash.

izak's recent interactions with RD are pretty effing terrible though.

[Amrun]

And if xalxe is viable and izak is not?

[Amrun]

What do you think of Xalxe's obvious lurking?

[Amrun]

Still looking for an isa replacement. And probably Xalxe too, hasn't posted in nine days here despite multiple prods and reading my pm's and being on the site. Go ostracize him.

How is this not an amazingly excellent reason to vote for Xalxe?!

RD: With izak, I'm back where I was within him on day 1. I keep flip flopping on him. At first, I found him scummy, but then he does other things that give me town. I'm conflicted. I don't like his most recent interactions with you because he hasn't done any "pushing" of Xalxe and has left it up to others (like me).

As for Shiidaji, I had a town read on her, but not for any particularly compelling reason. I hate how little she posts, but having replaced her before, I doubt that's much indication of alignment.

[Amrun]

Yeah, that's TOTALLY the reason I'm not voting for Xalxe. It has nothing to do with why I've been wanting him dead since the dawn of Day 2. Nothing at all...

I'm pretty sure you can read better than that.

Xalxe isn't avoiding the site. He's avoiding THIS GAME. With pressure on him. That's a higher than average chance he's scum, right there alone. If that will convince people to vote him where my more valid arguments have not, you'll see no protests from me.

[Amrun]

I've already discussed that - what's more, I've discussed it again POST-crash.

You are not giving me confident "reads the thread and has any clue what is going on" feelings lately. It concerns me.

In Hoopla's recently tiger-eaten game, I played with scum-Xalxe. I suspected him and NS fairly equally, but decided to push NS over him. They were mutually exclusive suspicions. NS was town and Xalxe was scum. I think I've played with him as scum elsewhere, but that's my most recent experience with him.

It's not relevant. This is not a meta-based case.

[Amrun]

Why wouldn't you believe that your increasing detachment from the thread concerns me? What scum motivation would I have to fake concern over this - especially with you voting for me for apparently no reason? As guilty conscious scum, why would I want you to look at the thread in MORE detail? It doesn't make sense to me, but whatevs. I don't see that as alignment relevant in any way, shape, or form.

I don't think I have any experience with Xalxe selectively ignoring a game while continuing to post elsewhere on the site, of any alignment.

[Amrun]

Why wouldn't I?

Which game was that? I don't remember being in any c9++ games recently...

I had absolutely perfect archives before the crash, but the tigers ate my recent wiki updates, so you'll have to forgive me on the memory front.

[Amrun]

Oh, did Xalxe flake out of that? Was there evidence that he was flaking only out of THAT?

Either way, I don't really care. Xalxe is scum for his in-game actions.

[Amrun]

I CARE IF XALXE GETS LYNCHED

I WANT HIM DEAD

[Amrun]

I don't know Xalxe's alignment, so why wouldn't I consider the possibility he was town - especially in that context? That's nonsensical.

Also, it's QUITE clear that I don't put much weight at all into Xalxe's lurking and was simply hoping to get people to lynch the person I think is scum.

[Amrun]

I don't know Xalxe's alignment, so why wouldn't I consider the possibility he was town - especially in that context? That's nonsensical.

Also, it's QUITE clear that I don't put much weight at all into Xalxe's lurking and was simply hoping to get people to lynch the person I think is scum.

You would consider the possibility that he's town, but your attitude to him comes across as greatly exaggerated unless you are town absolutely certain he's scum.

I don't get why you'd try to influence townies to change their read on Xalxe based on something you don't think impacts alignment.

That's how being town works, DV... Even if you really think you're right, you can never be 100% sure, so you have to consider all outcomes. And in the context of that post, I was asked what I thought of Tierce and Xalxe, and the answer is that I find them both scum, but don't think they are scum together. You're exaggerating greatly.

Why wouldn't I? What I think are perfectly valid arguments have failed to sway for quite some time now. If people would be willing to lynch Xalxe because his name is hard to pronounce, I'd be okay with that, too. Dead scum is dead scum.

[Amrun]

I don't actually hate an izak lynch, I just prefer a Xalxe one. If izak flipped scum it would basically confirm in my mind that Xalxe is also scum. (See point 3).

[Amrun]

RD: With izak, I'm back where I was within him on day 1. I keep flip flopping on him. At first, I found him scummy, but then he does other things that give me town. I'm conflicted. I don't like his most recent interactions with you because he hasn't done any "pushing" of Xalxe and has left it up to others (like me).

I've already said my thoughts on izak. In this case, I will still think Xalxe is scum either way, though that is not always the case.

[Amrun]

No, because I don't think they're particularly related. One of them flipping town means nothing for either one of them. However, a scum flip on one of them slightly indicates the other, but even that isn't very strong.

"Not a lynch I hate" means it's not a lynch I want but not a lynch that bothers me enough to stand up against it (like the Hoopla lynch, for example). It's not the worst lynch, but it's not the best.

It will annoy me to see him lynched over Xalxe, but less so than any of my actual townreads. He COULD be scum.

[Amrun]

Because I won't defend you or condemn you. I don't really care. I'm not not going to lie about my opinion of you.

[Amrun]

Hiplop's buddyiing to Tierce and Xalxe's buddying to Tierce were totally different. It didn't bother me that he buddied ... It bothered me that he later denied and also had NOTHING to base it off of - no experience at ALL with Town Tierce. How rude to call it laziness when I've been pushing this case and needling him for days. Of course he disappears when it's fucking critical. Of course he does.

And I'm showing absolutely zero interest in switching to izak. I would do so at deadline and not before.

[Amrun]

Your case on izak is weaker than my case on Xalxe. Just because you haven't bothered to read it or understand doesn't make it worse.

[Amrun]

Explain to me how the Xalxe case is bogus, Oversoul. Have you read it?

[Amrun]

Why can't you see the Izak-Xalxe pairing, when you started your poke of him because of his dancing around the Xalxe vote? That makes so little sense.

[Amrun]

Hmm.

I actually didn't consider that. I kind of forgot that Xalxe had been that hard on izak, but now that you mention it, I do.

Xalxe doesn't strike me as a hard busser from day 1 as scum.

That's fair.

[Amrun]

How about we just lynch xalxe and skip the lynching izak part.

[Amrun]

Explain to me how the Xalxe case is bogus, Oversoul. Have you read it?

I have read it. I think RD's case against Izak is more prevalent and concrete than yours since you are relying on meta that is known to be broken AND your claims that Xalxe power buddied Tierce seem like an over exaggeration.

If you think my case is related at ALL to meta, then you don't know my case.

If you think my claims are exaggerated re: buddying, then you haven't read the game.

[Amrun]

@Amrun:

Tierce I am so glad you're town you have no idea.

Now to respond to things.

Trust me, not confronting Tierce is probably your best play as scum.

She's

scary

.

Xalxe and I both flipped town in the game these are from.

Now can we please debunk this wild theory that Xalxetown wouldn't buddy me?

You also haven't read what I'm saying, even though I specifically asked for your opinion several times and re-quoted things for you in the old thread.

I didn't give a SHIT that he buddied you. I only began to give a shit when he suddenly denied buddying you, despite how BLATANT it was. Why would town Xalxe react that way? He wouldn't.

When I questioned him on it, things only became more and more dicey. That entire exchange is in the archive.

[Amrun]

LYNCH XALXE

[Amrun]

That makes a lot more sense, Oversoul. I understand that reasoning.

[Amrun]

I dug up some of the quotes re: Xalxe buddying from the cache, to refresh some memories...

In post 378, Amrun wrote:Those are jokes, but they are buddying, and buddying hard, at that.

The first two imply that your towngame is very strong and that he respects it; this is completely undermined by the fact that he says he's NEVER SEEN YOU AS TOWN!

The third reveals his motivation; he wanted to form an alliance with you, whether a town alliance or a scum-buddying-town alliance, I don't know, but an alliance, and was disappointed when his buddying did not get the results he wanted.

I didn't have a huge issue with this until he revealed that he "wasn't buddying" you and that he had never played with you as town. I thought it was obvious jokey buddying that he would admit to readily and be like "YEAH SO WHAT," but he isn't, and I thought it was based on past good performances by you as town, and it is not.


In post 387, Amrun wrote:

In post 384, Xalxe wrote:Because I've seen her as scum. And she is scary as scum. Why wouldn't she be scary as town?


Why would she? Many players are better at one alignment than another. It's a weird assumption to make, and a weird step to take when you've never seen her as town. Your primary goal as town would have been to figure out her alignment, if she is hard to take down, as you say, whereas it was ACTUALLY to gain a townread from her. That is improved by calling her a little scummy, but that only happened after she did it to you - and you refuse even to throw down a serious vote besides Tierce being the closest thing to your top suspect. If you are truly intimidated by her, you would not want to attract her negative attention as scum. That's pretty cut and dry scum motivation.





For reference, these are only a few of the posts in which I discuss this theory on Xalxe. Afterwards, when you fail completely to comment, I ask you specifically what you thought of all that I had posted, and your reply was a big pile of nothing full of words. "Null with a side of bluh" was featured, I believe.

And then you change to this after I say one sentence referencing it:

Tierce wrote:

In post 1406, Amrun wrote:Isa: I think Hoopla's push on Tierce felt genuine, but this is weaker. I've described before why I think there's no way Tierce and Xalxe are scum together, despite them being my top scumreads. Xalxe's early play was designed to engender a town read from Tierce; he had a lot of weird behavior involving that, which I went into d1. Then, when he hammered, he set Tierce up for a mislynch. There are several other reasons that I noted throughout the day(s) that are more nuanced, if you read my ISO. I think they are the MOST unlikely scumpair in the game.




If it is engendered, he's far more cunning than I've been giving him credit (sorry X <3). What am I failing to see here? Have you ever played with scumXalxe?



It's weird and unnatural.

[Amrun]

Amrun, what's behind your Tierce suspicion? Also Cache P52 is the beginning of your izak townread, so is your read only based off of the commuter claim? I have an opinion on this, but I need to hear from you first.

Here is a quote from the cache about Tierce:

Your posting wasn't all caught up in it being instant night yesterday; you didn't called on it and have to defend for it. I think the likelihood of town forgetting that is lower than the likelihood of scum making a bad attack and using forgetting as an excuse after-the-fact. In general, besides that, I haven't found her very town at all. She isn't doing anything OVERTLY scummy, but I feel like she has some sort of agenda. I don't doubt that her frustration at NS is genuine, but the way she chose to express it struck me as off, for example. It was too careful to avoid talk of his alignment; it subtly pushed his lynch, criticizing him and not calling him town but not scum either.

Nevertheless, I find Xalxe scummier and don't think they are scum together, so at lease one of those scum reads is incorrect.

I also think she's relied too much on things that aren't tells, like AIM conversations. Overall, she just hasn't felt really genuine this game.


As for izak, I'm going to be totally honest and say I don't really remember the entirety of what my town read was based off of. It definitely WAS NOT only his claim, and even what had to do with his claim was not that he was commuter but the psychology behind him picking that in this environment and how he talked about it. Hoopla covers that pretty well.

Other than that, I know there was something else, but can't be arsed to re-read entire cache.

But you don't seem to be reading carefully at all. Where do you get the impression that I'm defending izak? Pushing a counterwagon is NOT defending.

[Amrun]

I understand your confusion re: my read on izak, because I'm confused about it myself. He posts a bunch of scummy things followed by one or two townie things that throw me off.

Mostly, though, (I forgot about this earlier), I think Xalxe is scum and they're probably not scum together.

[Amrun]

Mod, replace Xalxe? Pleeeeease?

He's trying to. It's been an open request for quite awhile.

Xalxe has joined new and begun playing new games...


And no, Xalxe didn't claim, iirc.

[Amrun]

Just lynch him. Come on.

[Amrun]

Jesus God, I can't stand this anymore.

VOTE: izak

I'm sorry, bro. In the end, I've settled on town for you. Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

[Amrun]

You still like the izak-Amrun pairing when he's just been hammered and said he was town...?

[Amrun]

Okay, yeah. But we know the mechanics of this game.

But I get your point.

[Amrun]

You should post what you have done.

[Amrun]

motherfucking VOTE: xalxe

[Amrun]

Tierce totally acceptable counterwagon to Xalxe. That would please me greatly.

HOOPLA

I will vote Tierce if you do.

[Amrun]

I don't really feel RD scum here ... well, that is to say, I am conflicted. He doesn't scream town, and he usually does, to me, when he is.

However, in the past, when I've realized he is scum, it has been from weak pushes and voting patterns - and even then, they aren't totally obvious. I would not feel comfortable with my ability to say RD is scum or town without another scumflip to analyze votecounts against.

RD isn't the worst wagon of the day, but I'd rank it a very distant third behind Tierce and Xalxe.

[Amrun]

Didn't someone replace Isa? Am I losing my mind?

[Amrun]

Oh, Hiraki.

[Amrun]

What is your guess on the scumteam, RD?

[Amrun]

Holy Christ, I just realized...

I think ONE scum is in {Xalxe, Tierce}.

I think NO MORE THAN ONE scum is in {Shiidaji, Isa/Hiraki}.

That kind of means one of chamber, Hoopla, BBmolla, DeasVail or RD HAS to be scum ... and I have fairly strong townreads on all but RD.

I don't really think that's a good enough reason to vote, but it is kind of startling to realize.

[Amrun]

hey fuck you cunts

i need to finish this wall damnit

scum

kill me

and i will destroy you in end-game.

You should post what you have done.

no

This exchange really bothers me. HEY SCUM, KILL ME OR I'LL DESTROY YOU IN END GAME... and yet he wouldn't share his post, let alone his reads, hence giving scum an excuse NOT to kill him, if he was truly pegging the scumread. It doesn't feel right.

Despite shiidaji's chronic lurking (which I don't think is an alignment tell), my pick for scum out of the sixes is definitely Hiraki.

p-edit: Good job being condescending, chamber. I am pretty sure it's impossible to get where you were pre-crash because I'd have to convince myself I was scum.

[Amrun]

Not opppsed to massclaim.

VOTE: tierce

[Amrun]

The more I think about it the more I like tierce/xalxe/X mafia.

I haven't read anything beyond this post because it disgusted me so much. Are we reading the same game?

How do they make sense as a scumteam? THEY DO NOT!

One of them is def. scum, though.

[Amrun]

I didn't even know xalxe had AIM.

READ THE GAME!! It has been relevant to THIS GAME that Xalxe talks to Tierce on AIM. Urgh.

Xalxe, if scum, tried to engender a townread from Tierce. Then, when that failed, he turned on her. Then, when he hammered hiplop, he tried to set up Tierce as being culpable.

Tierce has pushed for Xalxe's lynch pretty consistently.

In what world do you think that's a likely scumpair?

[Amrun]

Tierce: I guess it's less consistent than I thought, upon inspection, but when did you develop your townread on Xalxe?

[Amrun]

I'm expecting your long post today, Hiraki.

[Amrun]

LET'S MASSCLAIM. Come on now.

Tierce first. I wish it could be Xalxe first; alas...

[Amrun]

I don't want to wait 10 years for shiidaji's claim. I don't have any particular suspicion of Shiidaji. I want my scumreads to claim first and be pinned down to a claim.

[Amrun]

THANK GOD

Political Clout, you should claim.

[Amrun]

Okay, Hikari next.

[Amrun]

And on closer reading I feel like a bit of an ass cause I see that is who rainbow asked for >_>.

Yeah.

[Amrun]

Okay can we kill political clout now 'cause he got his shit from the qt. thanks.

VOTE: political clout

[Amrun]

Quote what for you?

How do you know what Xalxe tried for?

p-edit: The case on Xalxe has zero to do with meta.

What am I lying about? o.O

[Amrun]

Xalxe said he never played with town Tierce. If anyone lied, it was him. *rolls eyes*

So, here we have conflicting claims: that ML sent the predecessor's attempt at a role with the replace PM, and that ML did not. Who do we believe?

I definitely believe Hiraki over Political Clout, since scum, seeing town-PC claim to know what his predecessor tried for, could simply check the QT rather than say he didn't get it in his own PM. There's no scum motivation in Hiraki's move there.

[Amrun]

DeasVail got it.

Where's your vote, DV?

[Amrun]

Hoopla, comment on Political Clout.

[Amrun]

Yes. It's really pretty clear.

Political Clout says his PM contains what Xalxe tried for and failed to get.

Next, Hiraki says HIS PM does not contain what Isa tried and failed to get. He doesn't even KNOW what Isa tried and failed to get.

One of them has to be lying. Which is it, according to you?

[Amrun]

If we have found scum, why should we continue the mass claim?

We have a 1v1 situation between two claimed VTs.

[Amrun]

Could it be that Magister Ludi wasn't consistent in his replacement duties? I wouldn't say that is wildly unlikely.

Shall we stake an entire game on a mod making an error? I won't. I'm going to assume the modding is error-free until proven otherwise.

[Amrun]

The mod basically made the PM out of his head.

Huh?

[Amrun]

Hmm.

Well, I asked Magister Ludi what he would send to a replacement.

Meh.

[Amrun]

Okay... so they're mod confirmed vanilla. :/

[Amrun]

I still think Political Clout is scum, re: Xalxe, so *shrug*

Tierce's claim makes me more inclined to think it's Xalxe out of the pair.

Hiraki needs to popcorn.

[Amrun]

The first thing Political Clout did upon replacing in was read MY case on Xalxe in order to try and refute it. That's a scum mindset. I'm definitely still happy with my vote depsite the fact that it's not the smlam dunk I thought a couple of minutes ago.

[Amrun]

Political Clout, I've suspected Xalxe since Day 1, so no, my reason for voting you has very little to do with mod error. I was only voting for Tierce because the wagon was more viable. She was my second choice to you from the start of the day.

What turned out to be a mod error added weight to my case, but it being a mod error doesn't diminish what I had before, and your response to replacing in did not seem townish.

Though how Hoopla and I can be town and also on the scumteam is beyond me. What?

[Amrun]

Calling his slot a scummy slot... PC is treading dangerously close to the Amished tell. Not quite there, though.

[Amrun]

Well, you should, 'cause it's awesome.

[Amrun]

That's not the same.

[Amrun]

It is really situational.

[Amrun]

Because if the mod hadn't made an error, you had just made a significant scumslip? Uh ... how is that not obvious?

[Amrun]

Amrun is the only one who could possibly have reason to think I wouldn't take vig.Rainbow & Amrun as scum would have considered me taking doc as a possiblity.

Wait, what? I'm lost here.

Since Hiraki isn't going to popcorn I guess...

I'm the vengeful.

I picked it because even though I sometimes get lynched, I tend to have pretty good scumdar. It seemed the only role that had a chance of being available anyway, and if it was still around, I wanted to try for it in the chance that there was still scum below me. Scum vengeful is bad.

[Amrun]

Why don't you look at the options yourself? *rolls eyes* Just trying to fit me into scum box in any way possible, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

[Amrun]

Getting Vengeful is no reason at all to call me scum. There is town and scum motivation for each and every possible role.

[Amrun]

I've suspected Xalxe since Day 1 for reasons I believe in. Those have never changed. It's not my fault the mod made a mistake that I poked into. That issue has cleared up, but it has not changed the things Xalxe has been doing - which I questioned him about while he was here.

Why shouldn't town choose Vengeful? I was almost at the bottom of the list, and the only role I had a chance of getting was Vengeful, and I am lynched fairly often despite my reasonably accurate scumdar, so it's the perfect role for me.

The question is whether or not you'd have accused anyone that chose Vengeful of being scum, or only me, since I suspect you. I think the answer is pretty obviously "only me."

[Amrun]

I've also always wanted to be Vengeful.

And then in this game, I don't get lynched. Heh.

[Amrun]

Vote PC!

[Amrun]

Do we have to go through this AGAIN, Hiraki?

DeasVail is not scum.

[Amrun]

The entire game pretty much agrees that number picks, role pick, play, makes DV town.

[Amrun]

Hiraki, the above doesn't show anything at all.

Willing to be strategically lynched if necessary.

[Amrun]

RD, I get to choose after lynch. I asked on D1.

[Amrun]

Despite thinking Amrun is town, I was actually considering something similar to what Rainbow posted. It makes sense to eliminate two players today, to get us back to odd numbers tomorrow. Tierce should be on BBMolla, so we get a guaranteed Tracker result - by killing two players today, we (slightly) increase the likelihood of the Tracker being successful if it's town. DeasVail, if he hasn't used his redirect should select who he thinks is scum and redirect them to themselves. If we're protecting BBMolla, then there is a real risk he dies, so he should use his redirection ability tonight.

The only thing I don't like is that Amrun will probably kill Political Clout. I think the town should get to choose who dies and not her (if Amrun is town).

I'd let the town choose, within reason. I'm not vengekilling a townread for anybody.

[Amrun]

That's what I prefer. I know MY alignment. But if town expressed a strong interest and it didn't directly conflict with my reads, I would go with it.

[Amrun]

Because he's scum.

Yes.

[Amrun]

*sigh*

[Amrun]

I've made my cases.

I've said my piece - over, and over, and over again.

Xalxe (now PC) is scum and we should fucking lynch him.

[Amrun]

I could compromise with a Hiraki lynch. I still strongly prefer PC.

[Amrun]

what do people think of isa? and shiidaji?

What do YOU think of them?

[Amrun]

Chamber is voting PC.

[Amrun]

Fine.

VOTE: Hiraki

[Amrun]

It hurts.

[Amrun]

I don't actually see how the wagon indicates Hiraki-town.

The only hop on that bugs me is the PC hop on honestly.

[Amrun]

VOTE: political clout

[Amrun]

No, you are.

[Amrun]

Unvote

BUT HE IS SO SCUM

[Amrun]

PC hands-down worst hop on

[Amrun]

Let's lynch obvtown! Makes perfect sense!

[Amrun]

all we did was decide who the mafias nk would be on (you

Huh? What am I doing?

[Amrun]

*missing

[Amrun]

That doesn't choose the nk for them. That allows them a free nk after we mislynch me.

[Amrun]

Oh, I see.

I still don't think it's a good idea, but of course, I know I'm town.

It's great if I shoot scum, but if I don't... I'm nervous.

[Amrun]

I've decided I'm cool with being lynched because the worst case scenario is this game is over, and that's more like a win-lose than a lose-lose. >.>

And if I hit a scum, then the pieces of this puzzle will start to fall together.

[Amrun]

I was being facetious, saying that I am bored with this game.

[Amrun]

Why?

[Amrun]

Why not air it seriously?

[Amrun]

But what if you convince everyone?

I've been there before, though... LLAMAFLUFF! >:{

[Amrun]

No, BB was cleared for roles, iirc.

[Amrun]

I would be interested in you breaking it down even though I can make my own evaluation.

[Amrun]

It's not interestingness' sake. I am still trying to read you.

[Amrun]

It's interesting that you haven't bothered to ask if I would vengekill you.

[Amrun]

Why would you assume that you would be lynched if PC is scum?

[Amrun]

@PC: My reads would definitely shift if you were town. I'm not going to tell you how, since my reads are perhaps the most relevant right now and I need to not show scum what I would do if lynched to make them wary. NICE TRY

Also, vanilla doesn't mean town, derp. Vanilla means roleless. This is pyp. What a stretch lol

[Amrun]

This is dumb. I'll try my best, but if I fail, it's not only my own poor reads but the refusal of the town to take responsibility for their own lynches.

[Amrun]

If you put the decision on my shoulder, you don't get to make ultimatums. That's not how this works.

[Amrun]

For that, I'd have to assume I think one of you and Hoopla is definitely scum.

And I'm not telling.

[Amrun]

No.

[Amrun]

You get 100% say over a lynch if you are town! What townie wouldn't want to take advantage of that. Certainly not you given that you chose the role.

I would do it at deadline, but not before. I KNOW I'm not scum, and I have a target planned, but I don't KNOW that target is scum. I'm just hoping, wishing, praying.

[Amrun]

I sympathize with that, but I'm still not going to play against my wincon.

[Amrun]

No, it's not. Lynching myself as town is all sorts of wrong.

[Amrun]

Are you having fun there?

At worst, I kill town and we LOSE.

[Amrun]

so if you are town we can't lynch you without your help!

Why not?

[Amrun]

The mafia would have to really think I'd shoot them, for that.

I'm a little concerned.

Like I said, I'll vote for myself at L-1. I'm bored with this. Get me to L-1, and I'll do it. Not before.

[Amrun]

EVERYONE LIST THE PLAYERLIST FROM SCUMMIEST TO TOWNIEST and/or your top pick for actual scumteam, preferably both. I am aware these may be different due to interacations and that's okay.

[Amrun]

Actually that is bad.

But the pick for the scumteam is okay. Please everyone do that.

We're in LyLo and now is the time to do it.

I'm not going to do it, though, for obvious reasons.

[Amrun]

You seriously just unvoted without replacing your vote?

[Amrun]

Then what was the point of the unvote?

[Amrun]

FUCK IT.

Guys.

Let's make this happen.

Here's to hoping.

VOTE: Amrun

[Amrun]

ALKSDJF;ALSDKFJ

I almost killed Rainbow.

Like.

ALMOST ALMOST ALMOST.

I realized that I was wrong about PC just by virtue of still being alive.

So then I thought, well, maybe that does mean Tierce was scum like I thought all along, but then I thought - but Tierce staying alive means they have to keep the PRs alive, so that's good.

I was deciding between Tierce, Rainbow, and Shiidaji.

OF COURSE

2 OUT OF 3 OF THOSE FUCKING OPTIONS

WERE FUCKING SCUM

My town reads were right, though, the ones by reads - Hoopla, chamber, Hiraki, I knew were town, and my final analysis had the Xalxe/PC slot as town as well. BBmolla I had as town via the way we cleared his role early on - which is what made Shiidaji HAVE to be scum. BLEGH. And I was on Scott Brosius and BBmolla SO HARD Day 1! I was so sure they were scum, until that role thing... AS;LDFJA;SLDFKJA;SLKD

URGH.

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[Amrun]

I am so upset right now.

[Amrun]

I was deciding between Tierce, Rainbow, and Shiidaji.

You know you could only shoot vanillas, right..?

Shiidaji was obv-town, though.

Well, yeah, I misphrased that. Meaning those were my picks for the scumteam.

Which is why I shot Shiidaji. I couldn't even shoot the other two.

As it turns out... I couldn't have killed ANY scum, and we'd have lost anyway. :/

I thought Shiidaji was the one way we could win, if she was scum, even though I didn't have great confidence in it.

Of course, if I thought YOU were scum, you'd have been a better shot, but I didn't.

[Amrun]

I'm so disappointed in myself that I didn't re-examine why we wrote off BBmolla as town. It seemed to make sense at the time. :/

I guess it wouldn't really have affected the outcome of the game, but still.

[Amrun]

God that one post about rainbow makes no sense.

It's okay, I know what I meant. lol

[Amrun]

Yeah, I didn't know if the kill on Shii would have worked at all. I just kind of crossed my fingers because I thought all the actual claimed VTs were town, so.