Open 416: SCIENCE - Experiment Complete.

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SCIENCE!

And now back to our regularly-scheduled lynching programme.

Scigatt, why triple-post to fix a post that didn't need fixing?

VOte: Scigatt

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And the mod will totally not know who you're referring to because you forgot a zero. Right.

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For the record, I don't require perfect spelling of names and nicknames in votes are fine as long as it's unambiguous which player they refer to. I'm not a robot.

OBJECTION!...BECAUSE I LIKE OBJECTING! <_<

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GNR, dafuq are those...things around the objection?

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Not all the time, you're not.

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Thanks for proving me correct.

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Would you mind including the deadline and a not voting line as well, please?

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THIS IS ABOUT SCIENCE, YOU INFIDELS, NOT THE SCATTERBRAINED INTERESTS OF YOUR SLOBBERING GROUPS OF FUR YOU CALL "DOGS"!

Now then, what the hell does that have to do with a townread?

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DOGS COME UNDER SCIENCE.
I CALL IT SCIEDOGOLOGY. THE STUDY OF THE SCIENCE OF DOGS.

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ARE YOU

TRYING

TO MAKE THE REACHIEST COMMENTS YOU CAN MAKE, OM?!

Elmo: No, you tell us.

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and...?

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So does Elmo think VM is town because he is posting irrelevant comments early on?

He's weird like that. You get used to him...eventually.

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YEAH, WELL, YOU SUCK MORE! AND SUCKED FIRST!

Also, Elmo always feels odd. The problem is figuring out what kind of oddness it is. I'm tempted to lean town, though I can't garauntee that it's not because he has a townread on me, however justified it is.

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YOU SUCKED FIRST BEATS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO HA!

Looking at 55, it doesn't look like it makes any sense at all. I know I'm not the hardest to read, but I'd imagine he could at least give something for others to go off of.

Vote: Elmo

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Uhh, any response to my case Elmo?

FoS:Om of the Nom

He said he was V/LA for several days two posts above yours. It hasn't bee 24 hours yet.

That's more of an LA, albeit possibly necessary if the heat really is dragging him down. He can still possibly find time to make a response.

Your rather abrupt defense is noted, though.

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Do you agree with Elmo's townread on me, and the "reasons" stated for it, then?

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Do you agree with Elmo's townread on me, and the "reasons" stated for it, then?

Not necessarily, but I don't think it is helpful to the town to discuss that type of read in this game at this moment.

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Vijay, can we lynch him?

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Yes, it's very good to discuss these reads so we can tell if it's weak reasoning for the purposes of getting an easy read to coast on or not. In fact, I fail to see why you shouldn't press them anyways regardless of the day (RVS period excepted).

Though, Om, his is correct in that he wasn't referring to BK (BS?) at all.

P-E: PATIENCE!

P-EDIT: And it is rewarded.

Vote: Scigatt

I fail to see any sort of connection implications at all in that post. He's wrong about why he wrote that post, probably, but he's not wrong about that.

P-E: Bwuh?

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...So? Mason connections are only good if the person in question flips Mason, just like scum connections. Besides, if he's going to call me town from shit like that, I wanna know why.

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unvote

Why?

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Look, i don't care if he thinks I'm scum, I'm town, or the magic jackrabbit Energizer bunny from the goddamn moon (Sig dat, Ommy! :p), he can and will explain himself. His read on me is completely irrelevant to the fact that the argument he's using to get that read SUCKS.

P-EDIT: I'd be voting Scigatt right now if it wouldn't L-1 him.

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Who's da man?

Can't hear ya!

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NO YOU'RE NOT, I'M DA MAN!

You're the lucky lacky who got to sig it. -_-

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Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

As for Elmo, while I'm sympathetic to his plight (heat strokes are pretty deadly), I imagine he would be inside for a time, and thus would have some sort of access to a computer and MS during that time. Thus, he could've posted and explained himself.

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Post 115 - 1. I already did, you're just not accepting it, scum. Besides, scum probably might want to actually dissuade that sort of talk in some cases so that astute townies don't figure out who the masons (or one of them) might be before they do. Or to potentially catch them through possible unintentional slips. Besides, any mason we find are effectively a forced kill for scum (barring a mason found through a lynch, obv), though the effectiveness of such a tactic depends on how good we are at lynching. The fact remains that there is still no sure sign that discussing townreads is bad, and thus I will continue to do so unless proven otherwise.

(on a semi-related note, I suppose Elmo explained himself, though I'm annoyed that it's just "meta")

3a. THere's a difference between "really questioning" and "not questioning". I will not deny that identifying the connection (or the lack thereof) is undoubtedly easier with the "really" there, but unless I didn't push it beforehand this is kinda baseless.
3b. to kinda retone the end of Post 117: Why

am

I the only one?

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Feels more like I'm piling more onto an already topped-up plate that you refuse to see as full.

3a. But my point is that I did press it before 55.

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both seem town to me

Why?

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Okay caught up. Only big scumread is on Scigatt. If sci is scum, VM's vote on him and then subsequent unvote is scummy I think. Town reads on elmo and om.

I feel bad just posting this short sentence and not elaborating, but I have to leave right now. Rest assured I plan on being really active this game.

So you find unvoting to keep him off of L-1 to be scummy? Especially considering that the person who voted him to L-1 (whose name escapes me) didn't give a reason for voting him, or at least a semi-decent one?

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EBWOP: Actually, it was the guy you just replaced, who never explained his vote on Scigatt. And you expect me to let him sit at L-1 like that?

No. No freaking way.

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So if three people voted for him and brought him to L-1 for shit reasons (or no reasons at all), I should be glad they're not trying because he's a scumread to me? Yeahno.

Every vote should have a good reason behind it. Any vote that doesn't have any solid reasoning behind it should be questioned as soon as possible, and measures to make sure that the vote doesn't cause any bad happenings should be put into action. I will almost NEVER let anyone do a L-1 vote as shitty as that and let the person at L-1 sit there. Never.

"also if you had a real scumread"
Ignoring where I've stated that I have a solid scumread on Scigatt.

"You would probably assume the other person...had a scumread for similar reasons..."
Why the fuck should I assume that? He never gave ANYTHING for that vote. As far as I know he could be voting him because of what we've said or he could've voted because he's a flying pink elephant. I don't know what his reasons are, which is why I asked him.

And if his reasons were bad, then he'd be edging into the suspect #2 slot.

"But you seem to be legitimately wondering why people are voting him. (scumpartner tell)"
...the fuck is this shit?

You expect me to to let other people vote without giving shit-all for it (or crap if they do), and then turn a blind eye as if it's the greatest thing they could've done.

No.

Fuck. That. Shit.

ALso, "scumpartner tell"? Seriously? Oh, so whenever I question someone else why they're voting a scumspect of mine am I going to be their partner, too? Yeah, that's gonna get you REAAAAL far, broski.

Try again.

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Notice I clearly put the qualifier "If scigatt is scum" before I said anything about voidedmafia's vote. Now voidedmafia is panicking and questioning why I have a scumread on him BEFORE EVEN SEEING SCI'S FLIP. This says to me he already knows scigatt is scum, because he's partners with him.

Sorry, but you made this way too easy.

The qualifier is irrelevant. THe fact of the matter is that you are telling me to ignore a poorly-explained vote, and you expect me to be fine with that? Don't be that stupid.

Also, why shouldn't I question you? Isn't that the whole point?

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I'm not telling you to do anything.

If someone gets to L-1 and you have a scumread on them you should be glad.

You're telling me here to be glad for an L-1 vote, regardless of the justification for it.

I just said "if sci is scum, this is probably a scum-tell I think". Questioning the vote isn't the scummy part. The scummy part is unvoting someone you have a scumread on just because someone else voted him.

And as I stated, I'm not about to let things go to shit. I don't know what his motivations were. I don' know what his thought process was. For all I know he/you could either be stupid town not caring about who he's voting for or possible scum hoping something will happen to cause an easy mislynch. And I made sure that couldn't happen.

And before you get on me about any likelihood stuff, I don't care if it's not likely, it can still happen.

You're the one blowing a minor thing completely out of proportion. Yes you should question it, and yes I would expect town to question me, but the fact is the reaction you're giving is not a town one and the more you talk the scummier you sound.

Because your post was basically telling me to ignore it, and that's not something town should do.

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What do you think of me FoSing Om instead of voting for him at post 63, when he was at L-2?

The important part about what Voided did was that he voted

and then unvoted

. This isn't scummy by itself, but it is a possible indication of being scumpartners if you are scum. Since you obviously can't figure out why scum partners would do this let me explain very slowly:

Why are you ignoring

why

I unvoted? Yes, part of it is because it being L-1, but I had more to it than that.

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Was gonna say, when the hell did we get a replacement?

Anyways, yes Scigatt is.

And to your other question:
A.) Because TheShadow made a shit vote to put him at L-1
B.) I wanted no shenanigans around the vote as I know there are at least two people here who are wont to skim and place votes without checking things (and you two should know who you are).

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And why are you voting GNR when you were just so gung-ho for lynching me?

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You were all "Oh, wow, he's (me) sooooo scummy," were you not? Claiming I was making this easy and all that?

Sounded like you wanted me lynched.

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You were all "Oh, wow, he's (me) sooooo scummy," were you not? Claiming I was making this easy and all that?

Sounded like you wanted me lynched.

Scigatt is scummier than you

But you wanted me lynched, yah?

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Mod: Im sorry I can't get into any games right now and I've been so beat from work and such. Just to much going on in my life right now for mafia.

Request Replacement.

It has nothing to do with the people in this game mind you. Im just beat every night from work

Probably best after your problems with the heat. Hope you'll be better off soon!

BS: Why is he the scummiest?

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I wanted to get a reaction out of elmo/om

Om: What do you think of syndromeofadown's vote change?

*coughfix'dcough*

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So getting a reaction is an adequate reason to switch vote?

Is this directed at me?

If you read who he quoted...

still waiting for BS to explain his scigatt-scum read.

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You're getting an irritated one from me for doing that, Om.

Also, I suppose not, Sci.

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Ｂｕｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｗｈｏｌｅ　ｐｏｉｎｔ　ｉｓ　ｔｏ　ｇｅｔ　ｒｅａｃｔｉｏｎｓ．

THat.

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Yes the font -_-.

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Post 210 - Eh, I'll bite and call it town for now.

Though, regarding 55, exaggeration or not Elmo wasn't being very forthcoming with why he considered me a townread (or the fact that what he DID base it on is a meta that I could actually copy with some degree of effectiveness as town or scum if I had the frame of mind to properly work on it, but that's irrelevant).

Post 211 - However, Om, I don't think he's calling you scum inasmuch as he finds that suspicious. This exaggeration is noted.

Post 212 - SOAD, if you ascribe to the "amished tell", then I suppose. Otherwise, I wouldn't call it a loaded question.

Post 213,214 - ..fuck the what is going on here?

Post 216 - Sci, it's not necessarily imperative that both scum survive D1 this game, I don't think. I mean, yeah, they do need to be a good shot and get at least one mason between N1 and the night before Lylo so they don't screw themselves over with a mason bloc.

Though, perhaps I just need to refresh myself on Om, but IIRC I don't really recall him fitting any teams. Then again, I dislike calling teams before flips, so. (there's another thing that makes me wonder, too, but it's best left to speculation for now)

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...'spose.

Also, I have no clue what you tried to fix--oh. Pfft.

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It depends, Om: Does he honestly think you're scummy (for which I'll retract that statement) or are you just PoE after he's whittled down everyone but you and someone else (for which my statement stands)?

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Obviously I would vote Scigatt.

But only if the votes preceding mine aren't shitty.

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No reason behind it (like TheShadow's), or backed up with either objectively shitty reasons or reasons I think are shitty or just not good for a vote.

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No. But I've stated quite clearly why I haven't (re-)voted yet. THough, with at least GNR gone, I can be a little more trusting that there won't be any shenanigans.

Vote: Scigatt

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I wasn't sure myself. Well played regardless, Quinter.

1. It was fine. You should include what I questioned you about in the beginning in all your VCs, IMO.
2. It's intesting, to say the least. Time constraints will factor into playing again, though.
3. I'm not a balancer guy, and I suck at that anyways, so I won't answer this.
5. Idk. It'd be interesting if Mafia had night-talk and Masons had daytalk, but that's not really a way to balance things. I just don't know.
6. Mafia Encryptor (giving Mafia daytalk) is heavily dependent on what the scumteam is. If they're good at using the QT, it's absolutely devastating. If not, then it's nigh-useless.

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6. Mafia Encryptor (giving Mafia daytalk) is heavily dependent on what the scumteam is. If they're good at using the QT, it's absolutely devastating. If not, then it's nigh-useless.
It doesn't matter who the Encryptor is compared to the goon, since if either of the scum dies, they lose QT chat anyways.

It doesn't who the Encryptor is, but rather what the scumteam is. That's my point.

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Yes, it's true that they lose daytalk upon one of them dying, but that shouldn't deter good scumteams who would make the most of the chat for as long as they have it.