Open 416: SCIENCE - Experiment Complete.

[Voidedmafia]

Look, i don't care if he thinks I'm scum, I'm town, or the magic jackrabbit Energizer bunny from the goddamn moon (Sig dat, Ommy! :p), he can and will explain himself. His read on me is completely irrelevant to the fact that the argument he's using to get that read SUCKS.

P-EDIT: I'd be voting Scigatt right now if it wouldn't L-1 him.

[Om of the Nom]

Siggin'

[Voidedmafia]

Who's da man?

Can't hear ya!

[Om of the Nom]

I'm da man!

[Voidedmafia]

NO YOU'RE NOT, I'M DA MAN!

You're the lucky lacky who got to sig it. -_-

[maxwell]

As sweet as any harmony

Votecount

Om of the Nom (2):

Guy_Named_Riggs, BS2000

[L-2]

Scigatt (2):

Om of the Nom, TheShadow

[L-2]

BS2000 (1):

Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting (2):

Scigatt, Voidedmafia

Deadline is Sunday, July 1 at 11:59 PM EST.

Guy_Named_Riggs has been prodded.

[Scigatt]

So by calling me out for what you think may potentially be Mason fishing, you totally just claimed who you thought could be Masons. Yeah, nice job there. That also must mean it's a Me/VM scumteam, since he was interested too.

Also:
1. The posts where Elmo made his town case on VM were there regardless of whether I made my case against you or not, and all I did was note that you were curious about this.
2. I made note of this on my post 70, in that I didn't want to fully reveal my motivations.
3. VM knows his own role, so VM would definitely know if Elmo's town read was to masonry of not. That question is still open to you.

Okay then, everytime you ask me a question while I'm asleep/at school I'll make sure to FoS you. You won't get anywhere asking me questions while I'm not here.

Don't be a dick. He said he was V/LA, and you are not.

[Om of the Nom]

1. Again, there is no scum motivation in asking to explain town reads. You say you think I'm Mason fishing without considering that Elmo could just be read faking.
3. What are you getting at here? I know I'm town and I also know I'm not a Mason. So I can't be sure of it.

What does being V/LA matter anyway? It's just extended leave.

[Scigatt]

1. Again, there is no scum motivation in asking to explain town reads. You say you think I'm Mason fishing without considering that Elmo could just be read faking.
3. What are you getting at here? I know I'm town and I also know I'm not a Mason. So I can't be sure of it.

What does being V/LA matter anyway? It's just extended leave.

1. At the beginning of this sequence I FoS'd you for doing something potentially scummy. All through this I have tried to answering your questions about this and why I placed that FoS(which wouldn't have necessarily amounted to a vote even if you weren't at L-2). The possibility of a fake read is noted, then, but I must disagree with the first part of your statement. One of the interests of scum is to find town power roles, and depending on the what known about the setup of the game, that could entail any number of things.
3.To my knowledge, you didn't necessarily know what either VM or Elmo's roles are. Thus you can't rule out the possibility of a mason connection there. VM must necessarily know his own role, so he definitely knows whether he's mason with Elmo or not, so that can't be why he's questioning him.

And the last bit was a remark to this statement:
"Okay then, everytime you ask me a question while I'm asleep/at school I'll make sure to FoS you. You won't get anywhere asking me questions while I'm not here."
There's a big difference between merely not being in the thread and V/LA, which is the entire point of V/LA.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I was to explain something here right? Well I think someone else already did. It wasn't hard to understand my post.

Also anyone notice BS has going all silent as well as GNR lately?

[Voidedmafia]

Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

As for Elmo, while I'm sympathetic to his plight (heat strokes are pretty deadly), I imagine he would be inside for a time, and thus would have some sort of access to a computer and MS during that time. Thus, he could've posted and explained himself.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

As for Elmo, while I'm sympathetic to his plight (heat strokes are pretty deadly), I imagine he would be inside for a time, and thus would have some sort of access to a computer and MS during that time. Thus, he could've posted and explained himself.

Comparing your play to the last time we played its different. As I said the newbie game we were in with TS. And its mostly a feel for how you play. While I had almost a heat stroke and access to a comp and phone.

I've been super busy as of late. Had an interview Tues as well work. Wed dr appt sleep went and saw gf's daughter work. Today I think was friday and had a pschologist appt and work later. Going caching in a bit as well. Tomorrow Interview for work and work. Sat Zoo & Commfest. So there you have it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

As for Elmo, while I'm sympathetic to his plight (heat strokes are pretty deadly), I imagine he would be inside for a time, and thus would have some sort of access to a computer and MS during that time. Thus, he could've posted and explained himself.

Comparing your play to the last time we played its different. As I said the newbie game we were in with TS. And its mostly a feel for how you play. While I had almost a heat stroke and access to a comp and phone.

I've been super busy as of late. Had an interview Tues as well work. Wed dr appt sleep went and saw gf's daughter work. Today I think was friday and had a pschologist appt and work later. Going caching in a bit as well. Tomorrow Interview for work and work. Sat Zoo & Commfest. So there you have it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

As for Elmo, while I'm sympathetic to his plight (heat strokes are pretty deadly), I imagine he would be inside for a time, and thus would have some sort of access to a computer and MS during that time. Thus, he could've posted and explained himself.

Comparing your play to the last time we played its different. As I said the newbie game we were in with TS. And its mostly a feel for how you play. While I had almost a heat stroke and access to a comp and phone.

I've been super busy as of late. Had an interview Tues as well work. Wed dr appt sleep went and saw gf's daughter work. Today I think was friday and had a pschologist appt and work later. Going caching in a bit as well. Tomorrow Interview for work and work. Sat Zoo & Commfest. So there you have it.

[Scigatt]

Y

Also, just because you're V/LA doesn't necessarily mean you can't post. It by and large just means that for a certain extended period of time they shouldn't expect you to be posting.

Which is exactly why shouldn't let someone who is V/LA to hold up your game. That is what that last part of my post 98 was saying what Om mocked in the last part of post 99.

[Scigatt]

Yes you were, no they didn't, and yes it was hard.

Why am I town, Elmo? And Scigatt, shut up and let him answer it.

Post 108 - 1. Again, unless Elmo or myself flip Mason, there should be no aversions to questioning townreads or anything like that. Your continued fearmongering is noted.
3. If Om doesn't know that, but if you can surmise that there isn't a Mason link between Elmo and I based on my questions, why can't Om have picked up on that as well, and doesn't that contradict your point here.

1. I believe that scum has incentive to do that specific action. If you know how to reconcile those two points, then I'll assent.
3a. His post 55 comes before you really question Elmo on his read, which is what I was basing my FoS on. You did question Elmo on his vote on BS before 55, though, and made posts on the read that seemed dismissive.
3b. I'm not saying that I figured out there was no role connection, but that I knew you could have figured out there was no role connection.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Sorry for the inactivity lately, will catch up tomorrow

[Om of the Nom]

1. There is absolutely

no

scum motivation in asking for town reads to be explained. You are reaching quite far here.
3. I still don't get what you mean. Are you saying you know VM's role? I'm assuming our roles are the same, because I'm willing to bet he isn't a Mason, and I know I'm not either.

I questioned Elmo's vote too (well personally questioned, instead of asking him as it had already been done). You aren't making any sense.
Why is Voided the only one who could figure out there was no role connection?

[Scigatt]

1. There is absolutely

no

scum motivation in asking for town reads to be explained. You are reaching quite far here.
3. I still don't get what you mean. Are you saying you know VM's role? I'm assuming our roles are the same, because I'm willing to bet he isn't a Mason, and I know I'm not either.

I questioned Elmo's vote too (well personally questioned, instead of asking him as it had already been done). You aren't making any sense.
Why is Voided the only one who could figure out there was no role connection?

1. I believe otherwise in this game, and I actually don't think that we'll get anywhere by continuing to argue this point.
3. VM knows

his own

role, thus he would know whether he was mason with Elmo or not, thus he wouldn't be curious as to whether Elmo's town read comes from masonry.

Also, questioning the vote was just something I stated VM did to contrast with his actions on the read before post 55.

[Om of the Nom]

VM knows his own role. I know my own role. Why are you attacking only me and not attacking him too?

[Voidedmafia]

Post 115 - 1. I already did, you're just not accepting it, scum. Besides, scum probably might want to actually dissuade that sort of talk in some cases so that astute townies don't figure out who the masons (or one of them) might be before they do. Or to potentially catch them through possible unintentional slips. Besides, any mason we find are effectively a forced kill for scum (barring a mason found through a lynch, obv), though the effectiveness of such a tactic depends on how good we are at lynching. The fact remains that there is still no sure sign that discussing townreads is bad, and thus I will continue to do so unless proven otherwise.

(on a semi-related note, I suppose Elmo explained himself, though I'm annoyed that it's just "meta")

3a. THere's a difference between "really questioning" and "not questioning". I will not deny that identifying the connection (or the lack thereof) is undoubtedly easier with the "really" there, but unless I didn't push it beforehand this is kinda baseless.
3b. to kinda retone the end of Post 117: Why

am

I the only one?

[Scigatt]

Post 115 - 1. I already did, you're just not accepting it, scum. Besides, scum probably might want to actually dissuade that sort of talk in some cases so that astute townies don't figure out who the masons (or one of them) might be before they do. Or to potentially catch them through possible unintentional slips. Besides, any mason we find are effectively a forced kill for scum (barring a mason found through a lynch, obv), though the effectiveness of such a tactic depends on how good we are at lynching. The fact remains that there is still no sure sign that discussing townreads is bad, and thus I will continue to do so unless proven otherwise.

(on a semi-related note, I suppose Elmo explained himself, though I'm annoyed that it's just "meta")

3a. THere's a difference between "really questioning" and "not questioning". I will not deny that identifying the connection (or the lack thereof) is undoubtedly easier with the "really" there, but unless I didn't push it beforehand this is kinda baseless.
3b. to kinda retone the end of Post 117: Why

am

I the only one?

1.I'll accept that(

UnFoS

), though I'm not sure you provided a satisfactory reason before.

3a.You made some posts that I saw as dismissive(49, 52), though you did question him once about it before 55(34). Compared to afterwards I thought there was a notable difference.
3b(and post 119 response). The key here is to know

VM's

role, not your own role(or more accurately, one of VM or Elmo's roles). VM definitely knows VM's role. Om may or may not know VM's role (if he does then the FoS was void.)

[Voidedmafia]

Feels more like I'm piling more onto an already topped-up plate that you refuse to see as full.

3a. But my point is that I did press it before 55.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Vote:Shadow

His vote on scigatt seemed like joining a wagon that could end in a lynch without actually hammering. Doesn't give a lot of reasoning except for "large scum-vib"
Also, after checking his ISO, and the only reads he gives are all town reads, no scum reads, and no mention of scigatt before his vote.

[Om of the Nom]

Is that all you have to say?
What about Scigatt and Elmo?