Open 455 - Tit for Tat - OVER

[Nekoko]

I. Random Voting Stage (Post 5-8)

5.Lord Mhork - RV: A_Potato
6. Disturbed_One - RV: Cheery Dog
7. combinatorialEnigma - RV: NumberQ
8. Klick - RV: Klick

Post 8 - I'll consider Klick's self-vote as a random vote done by town. I don't see the mafia doing crazy stuff that could catch attention. Though I wouldn't think it's a wise thing to do as it's lulzy way to lure votes.

II. (Post 9~)

9. Cheery Dog - V: Klick *
11. Disturbed_One - V: Klick from Cheery Dog
12. Shamrock - V: Disturbed_One
13. Klick - V: Disturbed_One
14. Venmar - RV: Lord Mhork
17. combinatorialEnigma - V: Disturbed from NumberQ
27. Disturbed_One - V: Venmar from Klick
29. Lord Mhork - V: Disturbed_One from A_Potato
45. Klick - V: Cheery from Disturbed_One
50. Cheery Dog - Unvote Klick
53. numberQ- RV: Disturbed
59. HerrRudi - RV: Klick
61. numberQ - Unvote
63. Lord Mhork - Vote: HerrRudi from Disturbed_One

Post 9 - Don't find anything suspicious with Cheery's vote on Klick. I think it's a good way to end RVS as soon as possible.

Post 11 - Scummy. I think this is the case of scum taking advantage on Klick's weird self-vote. If what Disturbed_One said on Post 25 that he has no scum experience is true, then it makes this more believable to me.

Post 14 - Suspicious vote on Lord Mhork by Venmar. I think it's very clear that something is happening already and it looks like he doesn't want his opinions to be heard.

Post 27 - I would have entertained Disturbed_One's reason on Post 19 if not for this one. I think it's scummy that he would unvote after getting pressure.

Post 45 - I don't understand this vote. Why Cheery Dog? The only reason I could see from my point of view is that he voted you.

Post 53 - I don't like this post as it looks like it's a lazy way to start the game. And it's not even RVS anymore. What's weird is that I think it's not "random" anymore if the person you're voting on is half of the majority.

Post 59 - HerrRudi's vote on Klick is more suspicious than Venmar as the game is already 3 pages long and there are more things to comment on.

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For now the most scummy player is still Disturbed_One so...
VOTE: Disturbed_One

Klick

- What's your reason for voting Cheery Dog?

Lord Mhork

- In Post 29 you said, "Dude... I was with you up until that horrid last vote... "
Did you too believed that Klick was deserving of the votes?

[Nekoko]

Actually read the game now. I'm content with my vote at this hour. No clue what Klick's meta is but I'm uncomfortable with people playing town leader like he is. Seems fake

I like Mhork, Cheery, Potato right away. Feel bad vibes about Rubiks cube avatar guy except have nothing to back this up

Did you find Disturbed_One more scummy than Klick?

[Nekoko]

Post 80 - Well I don't agree with this one. I think a newbie scum would try to appease the angry mob that would want to lynch him.

Post 92 - Venmar, I would be waiting for your reads. I think you're still stuck in the RVS.

Post 95 - Right now I think Lord Mhork's change of vote is suspicious. Mr. Potato's post doesn't look like a scum slip to me and what's the point of voting HerrRudi in the first place? I thought it was to pressure him or something.

Post 98 - My opinion too.

Right now I'm disappointed that the wagon on Disturbed_One is disappearing and that the spotlight went to Lord Mhork and A_Potato.

[Nekoko]

Klick - What's your reason for voting Cheery Dog?

Klick, you haven't answered my question yet.

[Nekoko]

My bad guys, i haven't been keeping up. Modding and school work have dominated my life for the past day or so, and i'm trying to post where I can.

For the time being, i have no idea why she isn't being looked at right now.

Unvote

Vote: Nekoko

Nekoko is scum because she blatantly called out 4-5 different people as scummy in one post, as well as pretty much contradict one of those ( Klick ). She first calls Klick's self-vote a townie move ( lol what? ), and then shows doubt on him by questioning his vote change. This is all without including the fact her reasoning was pretty bad for all those scumreads in my opinion.

Doesn't anyone find it fishy that she comes into the game on page 4, and supports the top wagon in the game, and calls some of the people being voted as scummy?

Did you just make up your reason now when someone asked for it? You're more sure that I'm scum now than when you voted me.

And for your information, I still see Klick as town. You can't ask a question?
I asked a legitimate question because I think his vote is better off in Disturbed_One than in Cheery Dog.
I'd say your scum read on me is terrible.

And you mean it's automatically suspicious if you're 6 hours late and the most
suspicious person you could see right now is Disturbed? I'm sorry I didn't come
to the easy part where people randomly voted each other like you. Oh wait,
you still voted randomly when RVS is already over

[Nekoko]

And for your information, I still see Klick as town. You can't ask a question?
I asked a legitimate question because I think his vote is better off in Disturbed_One than in Cheery Dog.
I'd say your scum read on me is terrible.

And you mean it's automatically suspicious if you're 6 hours late and the most
suspicious person you could see right now is Disturbed? I'm sorry I didn't come
to the easy part where people randomly voted each other like you. Oh wait,
you still voted randomly when RVS is already over

I'm pretty sure you're mixing up Venmar with me.If you want to mud sling make sure it's at the right person

It was not directed to you.
It was directed to Venmar

[Nekoko]

Vote: Nekoko

Congrats for conveniently choosing another target.

[Nekoko]

How did Venmar vote when RVS was already over? It was like the 15th post and 40 minutes in

RVS was over when Klick self-voted and Disturbed_One joining Cheery's vote very rapidly.
By that time, Venmar should have an opinion on the matter or something.

[Nekoko]

I didn't make anything up, so stop making stuff up yourself.

If you posted your reasons alongside your vote, I wouldn't suspect you making stuff up. It's the same reason why I didn't like Klick's vote for Cheery Dog.

So you think his vote is better on the largest bandwagon that which you have blatantly wagon'd on to yourself with little to no reasoning or input that contains reasoning in your own words? And you're saying my reasoning is horrible without saying why or disproving anything that I have said? My my, you must be a genius.

First of all, I vote for the most suspicious player in any of my games. Here is the summary of the views I had in my first post...

Cheery Dog - I said there was nothing wrong with his vote
Disturbed_One - scummy for the quick bandwagon and the lack of conviction for his vote for unvoting when he's under pressure
HerrRudi - suspicious because did not comment on Klick's self vote and still voted randomly
Klick - town, I asked why he voted Cheery Dog
numberQ - suspicious because did not comment on Klick's self vote and still voted randomly
Venmar - suspicious because did not comment on Klick's self vote and still voted randomly

People I did not comment on because I don't see anything wrong with them:
A_Potato
combinatorialEnigma
Lord Mhork
Shamrock
And guille2015 who has yet to post

You see the pattern? I became suspicious with people who never comment on Klick's self-vote and Disturbed_One's bandwagonning.
From my point of view, my vote would be better with Disturbed_One as it my suspicion for him is greather than what HerrRudi, numberQ
and you did so how can I refute your claim that I'm suspicious because I just came to play
in page 4 and I voted Disturbed_One who's incidentally the top wagon.

Second, Klick voted Cheery Dog without even stating his reason. Of course since I believe Disturbed_One is the most suspicious, I wouldn't like that.
Third, I didn't contradict myself with Klick. I already said that in my last post. I still think he's town

[Nekoko]

Nekoko wrote: Congrats for conveniently choosing another target.

Elaborate exactly what you mean by this.

1) Klick self-voted so Cheery Dog voted him. Disturbed_One quickly voted alongside Cheery Dog.
2) Disturbed_One unvoted and changed his target to Venrob who still randomly voted as if nothing yet happened.
(This what made Disturbed_One the most suspicious as if he defended his action I would think differently.
It's like he just wants to appease the crowd)
3) Disturbed_One voted combinatorialEnigma. If you read his post in Post #100,
it seems that if HerrRudi was did not vote combinatorialEnigma, he wouldn't ISO and then eventually vote him.
4) Disturbed_One voted for me. The way I see it, he just found an ally in voting one of the people who voted him.

[Nekoko]

Okay I just lost my townread on Nekoko due to that OMGUS at Venmar, but she's not a scumread yet.

OMGUS wat???
My vote is still on Disturbed_One

[Nekoko]

You only seemed to show suspicion on Venmar right after he attacked you.

1) I said in my first post that his first post was suspicious because I did not comment on Klick's self vote and still voted randomly
2) In Post #133, I said that he is wrong and reiterated what I said in my first post.
3) If you would ask if my suspicion for him grew, honestly a bit because I have a
tendency to suspect those who attack me for the wrong reasons.

[Nekoko]

1. Frankly this is bad. Your Post 75 says that Cherry Dog is Town for helping to end RVS at post 9 yet Distrubed is scum for also voting Klick two posts later. It looks like you are arbitrarily splitting hairs to justify your vote on Distrubed over Cherry (which is opportunistic since he was the leading vote-getter)>

When I made that comment, I wasn't just restricted to that post alone that's why I referenced a later post.
My thoughts on his previous posts were of course affected by his later posts,
that after he was pressured, he unvoted.

And I wouldn't consider Cheery's vote opportunistic. It looks like he genuinely thinks
that Klick's self-vote was suspicious so he went after him. And I think there's a
similarity with the way he is playing right now to my previous game with him.

Compare this to Disturbed_One's post

Eh, why not.

Unvote: Cheery Dog
Vote: Klick

It's like he followed suit because Cheery Dog did it first.
Klick already commented in the previous post to check first his meta
but Disturbed_One still voted without even considering it.

2. Also in 75 you explicitly say you understand he claimed to be inexperienced. This is much more likely to come from a New player who thought something was scummy and voted on it and subsequently backed off when multiple other players attacked him for it. So using this as a scum-tell I find suspect.

To me, it looks like a newbie scum who saw an opportunity to vote someone and
thought the people would follow suit or will not suspect him.
Then when people find his actions scummy, he quickly changes his vote.

So my question to you is – what is your HerrR read right now?

In his first two posts, I was suspicious because, like the same reason I suspected numberQ and Venmar, he did not comment on Klick's self vote and then on Disturbed_One and still voted randomly. He also voted Klick randomly but he still managed to find a justification to his vote. It makes me think that his vote
wasn't random at all.

His vote on combinatorialEnigma made him less suspicious to me as
I think it was good to pressure someone to post.

Right now I don't know what to think of him but somehow my gut feel is scummy.
Maybe it's because he was suspecting Disturbed_One like he feels Disturbed_One is
buddying people and his posts look manufactured but for some reason he still won't
admit he's scummy (or his weird gut tells him that).

Voting you isn’t a scum-tell. And it contradicts what you said in point 3 in Post 180 – you say you suspect people for voting you for the wrong reasons. Why couldn’t Distrubed be Town who thought your vote on him was for the wrong reasons and eventually decided to vote you?

First of all, I still try to think that Venmar is just townie who voted me for the wrong reasons. Unfortunately like in my first 2 games, my gut feeling for people is influenced when they attack me and I perceived their attacks to be baseless.

As for Disturbed, if I would not judge him in the context of what he is done throughout the game, he could be town but
unfortunately, his constant changing of votes and sheeping people and if you look at his reads, he automatically gave scummy
to those who disagree with him, and town to those who agree with him, he looks scummy to me.

[Nekoko]

numberQ wrote: Pinpointed my weird vibe from Cheery.

His posts 102 and 105 were extremely vague, and amounted to "I think this person is this alignment because." Which is a fairly scummy thing to do, saying you're suspicious of people but not giving any real reasons so as to not accidentally contradict yourself later.



@EVERYONE – I’d like you to consider the above and then read Post 132 and weigh in on how that post synchs with this one.

So he contradicted himself?

[Nekoko]

Nekoko is scum because of her attempts to divert attention by pointing blame in an absurdly high number of directions. She also is guilty of the same crime you are, which is to focus her vote entirely on me. Really, you're pretty similar the both of you. But I do think that Nekoko is definitely scum. If I'm still alive and we lynch her today, I would then proceed to focus on you. Unfortunately, I can only vote for one person at a time, so unless that changes I need to vote for who I believe is more likely to be scum.

Can you explain to me why was my first post scummy when I tried to comment on things that caught
my attention in the first three pages? You're again copying someone.
You're using the same reason Venmar used in voting me.

[Nekoko]

Nekoko wrote: My thoughts on his previous posts were of course affected by his later posts,
that after he was pressured, he unvoted.



Still waiting to see an explanation of how this is obvious scum behavior that can’t be equally attributed to Newb Town.

Okay first all, I voted Disturbed_One because he was the scummiest in my list.
It's the reason why my vote was stuck on him.

I don't really see the newb town. I saw newb mafia.

I always vote someone in my first vote however this game is different
because RVS is already over when I came to post so I tried analyzing
each post.

What piqued my interest was Disturbed_One's rapid vote and his eventual
unvoting after getting pressure. So I voted him because it makes perfectly
sense to me to vote the person you are most suspicious.

Then I tried to defend myself in Page 6 from Venmar's attack but it really
annoyed me that Disturbed_One joined in. So I guess that increased my
gut feeling that he's scum because I thought he's just taking advantage
of the situation. And didn't help that I saw that the three who voted him
is seen as scummy to him.

My fault is that I never bothered to read on Disturbed_One's previous games.
Cheery's post on Post #140 could have contributed to this
because it strengthened my belief that Disturbed_One is scummy. That there's
something different to way he is playing right now.

However I tried reading Disturbed_One's previous games where he was town
and saw similarities to way he is playing right now.
For example, he retracts his vote when people say
that his vote is wrong and he copies people votes (I mean his not original).
So basically his actions are just null tell and I mistakenly saw it as scum tell.

I would concede that my assumptions that his actions right now is scum is wrong, terribly wrong in fact.

UNVOTE: Disturbed_One

Nekoko wrote: Klick already commented in the previous post to check first his meta



So what? Frankly I took a look at Kondi / Klick meta and don’t see an significant reason to believe it could not be Klick Scum behavior. Why is someone saying “Look at my meta” meaningful in any way to why someone who likely has not ever played with said player not ‘taking it into account’ when making an early game vote?

Because I think it's scummy to vote without commenting on it
even if just to tell it's not relevant or significant or something.
It gives me an impression that he just voted
because Cheery voted Klick.

So you’ve managed to establish a nice fence-sat position while giving yourself an out to vote him (gut scum read you can’t really explain) if momentum goes that way. Noted, thanks.

I have no real strong feeling towards him because through out the game I was focused on Disturbed_One.
I just told you what my current thoughts on him right now. If you think that's scummy the I can't do anything about it.

Nekoko wrote: So he contradicted himself?



I’m actually asking for your opinion on it. So do you find it scummy?

In itself, I don't find it scummy. It's natural for townies to have some lapses.
I even think he has genuinely lost his interest in the game.

[Nekoko]

@ Nekoko:

So if you're unvoting me, then who do you think is scummy now?

Right now the most suspicious for me right now is A_Potato.
I don't think he's scum hunting right now. After MOI has arrived,
I haven't seen any substantial post from him.

VOTE: A_Potato

[Nekoko]

Why are you, Nekoko, voting A_Potato?

Just like what I said, I haven't seen any substantial post from him lately.
I haven't seen him scum hunting anymore. It looks he's just waiting for someone
to come forward and tell everyone or something like that.
And honestly, your vote did nothing (and I still think your reason for voting him was bad)

I think the last time he really did something was when he said my post
on Venmar looks OMGUS in Post #181.

MoI has already asked A_Potato's reads in one of his previous post
but he has yet do it himself even though he asks people their reads.
It's a shame he's using the excuse that he has no motivation to play
this game because of the reading you're supposed to do.

The fact that Nekoko had a sudden change of heart on Disturbed immediately after I voted him for refusing to adapt or re-evaluate any part of his read on Disturbed is interesting.

It may have an effect in my decision to unvote Disturbed_One
but MoI was the person you should thank for. He was the one
constantly questioning my vote on Disturbed_One.
I was surprised nonetheless that you posted again and voted me.

[Nekoko]

Well if you aren’t scum this is a terrible scum-tell to use. There are numerous players on site who do not believe in explicit explanations with votes. That’s a playstyle choice.

If I remember correctly, I haven't played with people like that
so I'm not familiar if it's actually done even by town.

The reason why I find it suspicious is that it looks like you
have no clear reasons yet why you voted a player so you're
just going to make something up on the fly or you will wait for
another player to vote beside you and copy his reasons.

It's the reason why I said that it looks like Venmar
just invented his reasons for voting me on the fly.

Another reason you can have my vote. Because there are more than 1 scum in the game and no reason to not have a read on a player because you have a scum-read on another player.

I did say he's null but leaning scum because he has all the reason
to suspect Disturbed_One but somehow his gut keeps saying otherwise.

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Nekoko pushing an inactive / lurker lynch while trying to cover it up by saying that OmNom is waiting to pounce or something just reeks of reaching for reasons to incriminate OmNom for reasons we don't even know to be true. Basically, pushing a lurker this early in the game and hypocritically not scumhunting that much yourself is very scummy in my books.

OmNom was active at the start of the game. He was even giving town reads and scum reads on players.
I find it suspicious that when MoI arrived, he's not doing those anymore.

Posts like this is suspicious to me as they're not even relevant to the game
Post #199 Post #206 Post #209 Post #211
It sounds buddying to me.

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I note that Nekoko has faded into the background as others are getting pressure.

It's not my fault Bitmap likes to post one sentence at a time
so it appears a lot has happened in just span of a day.

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@Nekoko: What's your read on Bitmap?

Null leaning townie.

First all of I didn't find NumberQ (the player he replaced) scummy.
Only Disturbed_One was suspicious of NumberQ (because well he voted him)
and MoI. After MoI has said NumberQ and by extension Bitmap is suspicious,
people started to suspect him.

I think he's leaning townie because I like his rapid style of posting
as it seems he posts what he thinks. I also like that he posted his
own reads that are different from other players. He's not sheeping
in other words.

I didn't like his switch of vote to Klick however (even though he suspects both of them)
as I think he has all the reasons to keep his vote on A_Potato as he even OMGUSed him.
And frankly, it's hard to imagine, if he's scum, that he will vote Klick who thinks he is town
over A_Potato.

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Will post my thoughts on every player later when I get back home

[Nekoko]

Nekoko, calling me scum for posting shit that is irrelevant to the game is dumb and you should feel dumb. Unless I do it in massive amounts in which case feel free to attack me. I dislike MoI and frankly him replacing into the game made me apathetic as fuck and that plus school caused my motivation to drop a lot. Also note I thought nQ was scummy early on and listed him in my early scumreads, so Disturbed isn't the only one to have suspected him before MoI

I felt your recent actions are suspicious because
you seemed to be scum hunting before MoI arrived.
You're basically actively lurking.

And your reads on nQ were on his 3 early posts
so I think they're either obsolete or irrelevant.

Bitmap's rapid style of posting doesn't clear him, since that's his style, it's also my style too. Why do his read differences make him town? It's entirely possible to give the same reads as someone else and still not be sheeping. His reads aren't that different at all, he has me and kondi as scumreads but both Mhork/you and MoI already think they're scum respectively.

The difference is that Bitmap is not actively lurking unlike you.
I'm sorry if it's hard to keep up with MoI's long post but can't
your hydra's other head play while you're demotivated or both
of you are demotivated?

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For now I'm unvoting as I find a more suspicious player.
UNVOTE: A_Potato

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First all of I didn't find NumberQ (the player he replaced) scummy.
Only Disturbed_One was suspicious of NumberQ (because well he voted him)
and MoI. After MoI has said NumberQ and by extension Bitmap is suspicious,
people started to suspect him.

Care to read the thread again? I can't find any votes of NQ by Disturbed.

I think I was the first to seriously vote him, though it didn't really stay on long.

What I meant was NumberQ voting Disturbed_One, not the other way around.

Okay I may have missed your vote on nQ but it looks like your scum read
on him wasn't that particularly strong at that time.

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Suspicious

Venmar - this guy is definitely tunneling me. I haven't seen him scum hunt and it looks like he's not even trying.

What he has basically done so far:
1. Tunneled me
2. Commented on Klick's self-vote
3. Commented on nQ's flaking
4. MoI is null and his excuse is his posts are long
5. Commented on "Defending the VI"

He's probably comfortable that he's under the radar of most people

Null but feel suspicious

Klick - I felt his town before but now I'm suspicious. I don't really understand why he would vote MoI.
The only reason I could see here is that he's just suspected by MoI.

There's a disconnect w/ the reads he gave in his previous post

Alright, townreads:

Disturbed*
Cheery
Shamrock
HerrRudi*
MoI
Nekoko^

* non-negotiable
^ getting both good and bad feelings

That leaves:

A_Potato
guille
Mhork
nQ
Venmar

A_Potato - actively lurking after MoI has arrived

Disturbed_One - has gone down from my radar but right now it feels he's buddying MoI so I still slightly suspect Disturbed_One

Guile - personally, I dislike that he use words that appear like he's buddying with people

Example:

Klick is a master of getting out of RVS.

It was a disturbing vote from Disturbed One. He sheeps the Klick vote. He realizes it's bad and retreats. IGMEOY

I've seen Klick do that play (self Vote RVS), and for him it's a null tell. Cherry Dogs followup is suspect.

I can understand Disturbed's explanation that a self vote was not town-aligned. That is usually a scum maneuver late in the wagon. I can chalk that up as a newbie player. His interaction made me feel uneasy so I will think of him as Null leaning scum for the time being.

We are totally out of the RVS NQ. I agree with shamrock's #58.

I think I am in three games with Om, I like this guy.

HerrRudi's vote without reading the rest of the game caught my eye. The reason is not good. For all he knew Klick could have been in L-1.

I like Neko's post, but I disagree with his/her opinion of Cheery and Klick.

Vote:HerrRudi

Herr Rudi: What's your opinion on Disturbed.

Hey MoI, Happy to see you in this game.

Good resume #299 from Bitmap. I've heard he's a good player. I think he was a hydra with Om at some point, so he is familiar with Om's thought process. I agree with him that Shamrock need a bit more attention.

I don't like the wording of his posts. It feels like he want to be liked by people so they wouldn't suspect or vote him.

Null

Shamrock - Right now, I don't have any feelings towards Shamrock. Through out the game, he post infrequently so I couldn't gauge much
his townieness or scumminess.

Null but feel towny

Bitmap

numberQ

- I feel town vibes from him. He rapidly posts what he thinks so it's probably the reason why he makes mistakes.

Lord Mhork - though I disliked his vote on A_Potato in the first few pages, I feel he's townie.
I think sometimes people could be paranoid when they're town.

HerrRudi - I think I have "Cheery Dog"-like vibes from him right now so I feel he's town. He's short of making to my town reads
because of his association with Disturbed_One which I said here.

I did say he's null but leaning scum because he has all the reason
to suspect Disturbed_One but somehow his gut keeps saying otherwise

Town

Cheery Dog - never saw anything wrong with Cheery. He posts a lot and comments on things he sees. He seems to be scum hunting.
MagnaofIllusion

combinatorialEnigma

- I really think he's town. I think he's assertiveness and his being a town leaders makes him town in my book.
I can't imagine scum managing to lead town (as I think they will eventually make a slip or people will question why he's never night killed)

VOTE: Venmar

[Nekoko]

Vig should kill MoI because I can't read the fucker, I want to trust him but I can't. Just make it simpler for me.

Sorry i'm kind of falling behind, I'll post more later.

You want the town leader to be killed just because
you don't like his long posts ???

[Nekoko]

Nekoko, MoI has a meta of leading

regardless of alignment

.

But right now I have no reason to suspect him.
It think it's idiotic to lynch a town leader on Day 1.

This reads to me like an elongated OMGUS vote.

Are you trying to do long posts so that he'll end up null on you as well?

Why is it OMGUS? Just because he voted me, it will immediately invalidate my vote on him.

You can clearly see the difference between him and the other people voting me
(for example MoI has better reasons and is actually scum hunting)
Venmar voted me based on my first post in page #4.
I already said his reasons are bad.

He has ever since try to make posts look scummy to confirm his theories.

Based on his posts, the only reads you can think Venmar has is
Scum: Nekoko
Null: Everyone else

And why would he end up in my null list if he hasn't
done anything to show that he's town.

[Nekoko]

First Nekoko gives active reasons why Potato is scummy and then immediately unvotes him for a ‘more suspicious player’. That player is Venmar … who is voting Nekoko. And her ‘List of 5’ reasons aren’t actually things that I can see as scummy.

To me it looks like he's pretending to scum hunt.
I bet if you suspected him earlier in this game and he did
those things, you will say it's actively lurking.

She lists tunneling on herself (not a scum-tell to anyone but herself) and commenting on a number of actual game activities (at worst Null).

Next we get a reads list that is as such –

Venmar is the only scum.

Null (but suspicious) – includes Klick (because I suspect him … she sees nothing herself), Potato (who she just unvoted), Distrubed (for buddying to me … more on that in a bit), Guile (also for buddying).

Null – Shamrock

Null (but fell towny) – Bitmap (Vibe and rapid posting), LordM (because people can be paranoid as Town), HerrR (Vibes, similar to Cheery Dog)

Town is CheeryDog (is scum-hunting) and myself (I’m leading the Town, so I must be Town).

So she attacks several players for buddying or buddying me but she herself does so in that very post (she agrees to suspect Klick only because I do, and calls me Town for a ludicrouosly stupid reason).

And despite having a Klick suspicion (which others have voiced support for) she chooses to go towards Venmar as the best place for her vote.

I think that post can be classified as IIoA trying to masquerade as scum-hunting to make up for her “fading into the background”.

So my reads are terrible but does that make me scum?
This is my fourth game and I replaced out of my 3rd game.
I think you suspected four players throughout the game
(numberQ, HerrR, Klick and me) because you think
they scum hunted badly.

I suspected Klick's recent action based on his OMGUS vote on you.
I thinks it's arrogant to think that I think he's scum just because you said it yourself.

And I'm in a position where everything I would do,
I would be suspected because you already
suspected me in the first place.

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I voted Venmar because he's the most suspicious player for me.
Because there's no possibility of Venmar getting votes,
I'll unvoting him and will choose to vote Klick.

VOTE: Klick

I know Klick will vote me to L-1 to save himself
but I know I'm town and I can't vote Bitmap because
I don't think he's scum.

[Nekoko]

I would consider voting kondi right now but I can't shake the feeling that Nekoko is trying to push kondi as a counterwagon to himself.

I have no other options. I don't want to die because I know I'm town.
I think Bitmap is more likely to be town than Klick so the most logical
choice is to vote Klick.

[Nekoko]

Literally stated she voted kondi to keep herself/himself alive. Aka kondi was the counterwagon.

Are you saying I'm scum because I wanted to stay alive??
I think you're fooling yourself to think it's a scum tell.

You want me to stick my vote on Venmar and when it's near deadline??
Klick was the only best choice for my vote.

[Nekoko]

Nekoko, who is scum?

I feel like guille2015 is cautious scum.
He's not getting attention and
he wants to be agreeable to most people.

Aside from the fact that I don't like his "buddying" tone
I find the following posts suspicious

I can comfortably vote for either of them. I have no clear priority on either, but I can easily lynch any.

My vote will go to Nekoko, basically for the reasons stated above. Just waiting for everyone to check in.

So, VOTE: guille2015

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My read on Venmar's slot has changed.
Venmar must be really unmotivated to replace out here
which explains why I think he's not really scum hunting
(focused on me entirely or something - easy to do)

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How about you? Who is scum?

[Nekoko]

Either we lynch successfully today or the Vig risks the game making a bad shot

Then the vig should never risk the game by shooting someone if we mislynch today?

Personally my gut says that the Jailkeeper and Back-up RoleCop should probably claim. I can elaborate on the reasons if necessary.

I am curious. Was this done frequently before?
Is role claiming frequently done during MYLO in this forums?

[Nekoko]

Actually, Nekoko, self preservation is often a good scum tell. Scum tends to be very eager to live, for there are less of them and they want to win. When you're trying to anyone lynched--especially someone like Klick--you look very desperate and very scummy.

I don't agree. If you think you're town, you wouldn't want to waste the town's vote on you.

For now, I'll sheep Om's vote,

agreeing that Nekoko is kinda sketchy.

I didn't understand the bolded part.
What were you trying to say?

[Nekoko]

You only think you're town, what? If you're town, then you would know you're town.

Wow because I used the word "think" you think it's a mafia slip.
I sometimes use the two interchangeably as they sound the same to me.

It think it's idiotic to lynch a town leader on Day 1.

Although I said "think" here, I'm 100% sure it's idiotic to lynch a town leader on Day 1.

Your last given read on venmar's slot was scum, and it's remained unchanged here, yet you're voting the same person as it's new occupant is voting?

What do you mean remain unchanged??
I did say my read on him changed...

[Nekoko]

So, basically, here you are saying that Nekoko is town for his desperation in self preservation? The odd thing about it that it was the 2nd vote. Town self preservation usually votes for the player with an equal chance of getting lynched, which would have been bitmap at the time. The difference here is that Nekoko kept saying that Venmar was town, hence his vote for Klick, which he could have also gone for MoI. There is something odd in all that reaction. No, I am very comfortable with my Vote intent.

What do you mean I kept saying Venmar was town??
I think Bitmap was more town than Klick so obviously I went with Klick.

@Nekoko – You were at L-1. Why didn’t you claim? Guile had already expressed intention to vote you.

I wait until someone says "I intent to hammer"
I thought it's standard here.

And besides Cheery's vote on me was because he misread my post.

[Nekoko]

I completely suspect that both nekoko and The Director are both mafia.

Some hints here and there in their ISO, but today's action are pretty much clear to me.

Elaborate please

[Nekoko]

I completely suspect that both nekoko and The Director are both mafia.

Some hints here and there in their ISO, but today's action are pretty much clear to me.

Elaborate please

*In post 75, Nekoko gives a low level suspicion of Venmar for his non-RVS vote in Post 14. Then gives higher suspicion on Herrrudi and then votes Disturbed. Hints at distancing.
*In post 92, Venmar votes Nekoko for not being looked at. Nekoko slightly acknowledges this in post 112.
*In post 126, Venmar fully attacks Nekoko. I find it weak, but valid. Nekoko responsed with post 133 in which he added little refutation. This argument did not bring the attention of anybody in the thread. It's as if they fought each other and no one payed attention. Actually, only Herrrudi reacted to it, but he is dead now (GreyGnarl).
*A_P reacts in 174 giving him a slight bump towards town. A_P favors Venmar.
*After post 417 Nekoko starts to get pressure on him and places Venmar on her suspicion. Finally Voting for him. This post in itself is suspicious. This is after MoI voted for him. Drops his vote for A_P towards Venmar. I think her arguments for A_P were much better than her arguments for Venmar.
*Post 451, Nekoko changes his vote toward Klick. Who at the time had one vote and lots of attackers. Click self votes.
*In Post 469, Venmar says that Klick is scum and replies that He wants Nekoko Lynched. At this point Nekoko is at L-1. At the same time Klick's wagon is gaining steam while Nekoko loses it. At this point enter The Director (527,528)with a Vote on Klick. Notice the 1 minute difference between these two posts or the 10 minutes that passed after the directer replaced in. That's some fast reading to reach to the conclusion you reached.
*Every post after wards is the directors Insistence of Klicks Lynch. Take note that there is this whole 1v1 deal that if considered truthfully, after Klick is killed would have meant that MoI would have been lynched. I know understand why MoI agreed to it, since he expected not to be lynched due to his PR.
*Now, consider that the Director is again stearing (attempting) the wagon off of Nekoko.

I suspect that Nekoko is the Goon. Venmar went head on with a Bus on his buddy to gain street cred. Nekoko reacted aggressively but with very little commitment, thus consistent with a bus-distancing strategy. I wouldn't have noticed if it stayed that way and Nekoko had been killed, thus ensuring Venmar's Immortality, but when the wagon shifted and a better option that had the potential (-ly stupid) possibility of mislynching two towns showed up. It would seem that The Director can come in and favor the latter and have a completely different read than his slot. It is normal for someone that replaced in to have a completely 180 change in view, and the Director took advantage of this.

I would gather a guess that if the Nekoko Wagon had reached an imminent Lynch on Day 1, he would have claimed a PR to either save himself or draw out the real PR. Today, after MoI has claimed and the potential of the JK claiming today, I wouldn't expect Nekoko to claim any PR if his Lynch was imminent.

How is it even possible that you can guess if a person is goon??
You're twisting posts to make it look like we're somehow both scum.
I think it's scummy to hypothesize scum teams without even scum flip.

I'm kind of neutral on Director and Guille at the moment.

Nekoko is right now the safest lynch, I feel. Nekoko's been very scummy all game.

Yeah right... So you can switch to whichever person later...

the director seems a bit scummy.

You thought he was a bit scummy but I'm thinking
you changed your views when MoI unvoted him

[Nekoko]

VOTE: Nekoko

[Nekoko]

The first was to send disturbed to make the kill rather than myself on night 2.

Yeah I think disturbed shouldn't have sent the kill but regardless,
I think you did a great job and perhaps you just panicked.

The town is just awesome
lol I wished MoI never replaced in hahahaha

[Nekoko]

So how was my real first game as scum?
I think I got carried away in the first day with Disturbed_One.
If I'm town, I would definitely doubt that Disturbed was scummy.

[Nekoko]

And choosing to not kill me is never a good scum decision.

I think the reason is that you could be protected by the jail-keeper.