Open 455 - Tit for Tat - OVER

[guille2015]

How about actually being in a scum team with PMysterious... and then winning?

Klick did that too. lol.

Actually, I am sorry I brought up the whole Bitmap is good thing. This discussion isn't getting nowhere really.

[Bitmap]

You mean how people hustle each other in a game of mafia all the time in order to fake meta? OH GOLLY GEE!
You mean how I purposely acted retarded in order to coin a SK victory and that the mafia team was so butthurt that they didn't want scum QT to be released? OH GOLLY GEE!

Yes, competent players do those things. I have NEVER seen a game where you have demonstrated anything close to ability commensurate with being a competent player.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22665

[Shamrock]

Are you guys seriously going to have a mafia e-peen contest in the middle of a game?

Those quotes don't support that reasoning at all. He replaces in, has a mild scum-read on Nekoko and proceeds to say "I need to look

MORE

into Nekoko". I've bolded the important word. Having a read based on a read-along and then wanting to more directly dig into that read once you are actually in the game is a Town mindset move.

Your reasoning is bad and vote is bad.

This is completely wrong. What he said was:

Hmm, I'll take a look at Nekoko better later today. I'm sorry I didn't really notice him that much.

Nekoko's a scumread for Bitmap, yet Bitmap didn't really notice him that much? What?

Also, why are you answering for Bitmap instead of letting Bitmap answer on his own?

[Bitmap]

I'll give you a hint, MoI's scum.

[Bitmap]

Also, the "Defend the VI" tactic is a scum tell from my experience. MattP used the same tactic in History Mafia.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22756

[Cheery Dog]

I wouldn't think PMysterious would actually be that much of a problem to any scum team he is in, it seems that he has got quite a few scum wins recently

@sham I think moi is more referring to 299 (I'm not going to type the bb code while on my phone)
To me it looks like he was just mimicing the general town views

[Klick]

MoI, I want you to do it so that everyone can see how insignificant your points are.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, I want you to do it so that everyone can see how insignificant your points are.

They are infinitely more significant that every point you've made to suggest I am scum. Here's a hint - you've made none. I'll make you a deal - first you lay out your case for MoI scum with all your points. Then I'll lay out my case for Klick scum. Seems reasonable to me.

[Disturbed_One]

I'd like to see both Klick and Moi lay out there cases against each other. I think their cases could say a lot about them both.

[Bitmap]

Can I just get vigged tonight?

[HerrRudi]

@Mod: I'm requesting a replacement

I'm going to Oklahoma (15 hour bus ride both ways for me) and leaving tomorrow and won't be back until Monday (all without internet access), and I'll be hella behind on my school work until the end of that week. And by the point I'm caught up, I'll be so hopelessly behind in this game given the pace so far that I won't be able to get back into it and be a productive player. I apologize to you all for doing this so close to the deadline but it's the best for everyone if I just handle it this way instead of trying to balance this with all my other responsibilities right now.

[Shamrock]

I'll give you a hint, MoI's scum.

So this is what you're going with as a response instead of doing something useful like explaining the inconsistency in your Nekoko read?

[Disturbed_One]

Can I just get vigged tonight?

Are you seriously asking for the vig to kill you?

[Venmar]

Vig should kill MoI because I can't read the fucker, I want to trust him but I can't. Just make it simpler for me.

Sorry i'm kind of falling behind, I'll post more later.

[Venmar]

Also, the "Defend the VI" tactic is a scum tell from my experience. MattP used the same tactic in History Mafia.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22756

- I've protected VI's numerous amounts of times as town? I can't say you can classify such a common or general method as an alignment tell.

[Messiah]

Vote Count 1.12

With twelve alive it will take seven to lynch.

L-3

Bitmap

- HerrRudi, A_Potato, Shamrock, Lord Mhork

L-4

Nekoko

- Venmar, Disturbed_One, MagnaofIllusion

L-5

MagnaofIllusion

- Klick, Bitmap

L-6

A_Potato

- Nekoko

L-6

Lord Mhork

- Cheery Dog

Klick

-

Disturbed_One

-

HerrRudi

-

Venmar

-

Cheery Dog

-

guille2015

-

Shamrock

-

Not voting: guille2015

Acquiring a replacement for HerrRudi.

Deadline in (expired on 2012-10-28 21:30:00).

[Cheery Dog]

Vig should kill MoI because I can't read the fucker, I want to trust him but I can't. Just make it simpler for me.

Sorry i'm kind of falling behind, I'll post more later.

I don't think this would be a good night 1 choice for the vig shot, if MoI is town then we will be able to use his early reads well and they should be available for multiple days unless circumstances require it to be otherwise.

[Nekoko]

Nekoko, calling me scum for posting shit that is irrelevant to the game is dumb and you should feel dumb. Unless I do it in massive amounts in which case feel free to attack me. I dislike MoI and frankly him replacing into the game made me apathetic as fuck and that plus school caused my motivation to drop a lot. Also note I thought nQ was scummy early on and listed him in my early scumreads, so Disturbed isn't the only one to have suspected him before MoI

I felt your recent actions are suspicious because
you seemed to be scum hunting before MoI arrived.
You're basically actively lurking.

And your reads on nQ were on his 3 early posts
so I think they're either obsolete or irrelevant.

Bitmap's rapid style of posting doesn't clear him, since that's his style, it's also my style too. Why do his read differences make him town? It's entirely possible to give the same reads as someone else and still not be sheeping. His reads aren't that different at all, he has me and kondi as scumreads but both Mhork/you and MoI already think they're scum respectively.

The difference is that Bitmap is not actively lurking unlike you.
I'm sorry if it's hard to keep up with MoI's long post but can't
your hydra's other head play while you're demotivated or both
of you are demotivated?

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For now I'm unvoting as I find a more suspicious player.
UNVOTE: A_Potato

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First all of I didn't find NumberQ (the player he replaced) scummy.
Only Disturbed_One was suspicious of NumberQ (because well he voted him)
and MoI. After MoI has said NumberQ and by extension Bitmap is suspicious,
people started to suspect him.

Care to read the thread again? I can't find any votes of NQ by Disturbed.

I think I was the first to seriously vote him, though it didn't really stay on long.

What I meant was NumberQ voting Disturbed_One, not the other way around.

Okay I may have missed your vote on nQ but it looks like your scum read
on him wasn't that particularly strong at that time.

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Suspicious

Venmar - this guy is definitely tunneling me. I haven't seen him scum hunt and it looks like he's not even trying.

What he has basically done so far:
1. Tunneled me
2. Commented on Klick's self-vote
3. Commented on nQ's flaking
4. MoI is null and his excuse is his posts are long
5. Commented on "Defending the VI"

He's probably comfortable that he's under the radar of most people

Null but feel suspicious

Klick - I felt his town before but now I'm suspicious. I don't really understand why he would vote MoI.
The only reason I could see here is that he's just suspected by MoI.

There's a disconnect w/ the reads he gave in his previous post

Alright, townreads:

Disturbed*
Cheery
Shamrock
HerrRudi*
MoI
Nekoko^

* non-negotiable
^ getting both good and bad feelings

That leaves:

A_Potato
guille
Mhork
nQ
Venmar

A_Potato - actively lurking after MoI has arrived

Disturbed_One - has gone down from my radar but right now it feels he's buddying MoI so I still slightly suspect Disturbed_One

Guile - personally, I dislike that he use words that appear like he's buddying with people

Example:

Klick is a master of getting out of RVS.

It was a disturbing vote from Disturbed One. He sheeps the Klick vote. He realizes it's bad and retreats. IGMEOY

I've seen Klick do that play (self Vote RVS), and for him it's a null tell. Cherry Dogs followup is suspect.

I can understand Disturbed's explanation that a self vote was not town-aligned. That is usually a scum maneuver late in the wagon. I can chalk that up as a newbie player. His interaction made me feel uneasy so I will think of him as Null leaning scum for the time being.

We are totally out of the RVS NQ. I agree with shamrock's #58.

I think I am in three games with Om, I like this guy.

HerrRudi's vote without reading the rest of the game caught my eye. The reason is not good. For all he knew Klick could have been in L-1.

I like Neko's post, but I disagree with his/her opinion of Cheery and Klick.

Vote:HerrRudi

Herr Rudi: What's your opinion on Disturbed.

Hey MoI, Happy to see you in this game.

Good resume #299 from Bitmap. I've heard he's a good player. I think he was a hydra with Om at some point, so he is familiar with Om's thought process. I agree with him that Shamrock need a bit more attention.

I don't like the wording of his posts. It feels like he want to be liked by people so they wouldn't suspect or vote him.

Null

Shamrock - Right now, I don't have any feelings towards Shamrock. Through out the game, he post infrequently so I couldn't gauge much
his townieness or scumminess.

Null but feel towny

Bitmap

numberQ

- I feel town vibes from him. He rapidly posts what he thinks so it's probably the reason why he makes mistakes.

Lord Mhork - though I disliked his vote on A_Potato in the first few pages, I feel he's townie.
I think sometimes people could be paranoid when they're town.

HerrRudi - I think I have "Cheery Dog"-like vibes from him right now so I feel he's town. He's short of making to my town reads
because of his association with Disturbed_One which I said here.

I did say he's null but leaning scum because he has all the reason
to suspect Disturbed_One but somehow his gut keeps saying otherwise

Town

Cheery Dog - never saw anything wrong with Cheery. He posts a lot and comments on things he sees. He seems to be scum hunting.
MagnaofIllusion

combinatorialEnigma

- I really think he's town. I think he's assertiveness and his being a town leaders makes him town in my book.
I can't imagine scum managing to lead town (as I think they will eventually make a slip or people will question why he's never night killed)

VOTE: Venmar

[Nekoko]

Vig should kill MoI because I can't read the fucker, I want to trust him but I can't. Just make it simpler for me.

Sorry i'm kind of falling behind, I'll post more later.

You want the town leader to be killed just because
you don't like his long posts ???

[Klick]

Nekoko, MoI has a meta of leading

regardless of alignment

.

Phone post, blah blah.

[Cheery Dog]

Suspicious
Venmar - this guy is definitely tunneling me. I haven't seen him scum hunt and it looks like he's not even trying.

What he has basically done so far:
1. Tunneled me
2. Commented on Klick's self-vote
3. Commented on nQ's flaking
4. MoI is null and his excuse is his posts are long
5. Commented on "Defending the VI"

He's probably comfortable that he's under the radar of most people

This reads to me like an elongated OMGUS vote.

Are you trying to do long posts so that he'll end up null on you as well?

[Nekoko]

Nekoko, MoI has a meta of leading

regardless of alignment

.

But right now I have no reason to suspect him.
It think it's idiotic to lynch a town leader on Day 1.

This reads to me like an elongated OMGUS vote.

Are you trying to do long posts so that he'll end up null on you as well?

Why is it OMGUS? Just because he voted me, it will immediately invalidate my vote on him.

You can clearly see the difference between him and the other people voting me
(for example MoI has better reasons and is actually scum hunting)
Venmar voted me based on my first post in page #4.
I already said his reasons are bad.

He has ever since try to make posts look scummy to confirm his theories.

Based on his posts, the only reads you can think Venmar has is
Scum: Nekoko
Null: Everyone else

And why would he end up in my null list if he hasn't
done anything to show that he's town.

[Venmar]

Lol.

Okay well Nekoko is scum when can we just lynch her?

[Bitmap]

Actually, I think Nekoko is town now.

[Shamrock]

BITMAP. NICE TO SEE YOU. HOW ABOUT ANSWERING MY QUESTION