Open 455 - Tit for Tat - OVER

[the director]

the director replaces Venmar effective immediately

Thanks for the quick turnaround mod. Please extend the deadline 24 hours.

[the director]

VOTE: Klick

That was easy. Rest of my reads coming shortly.

[the director]

Hammer klick pls.

[the director]

Mod can you update post 0 please.

Done.

[the director]

Actually it doesn't matter. Klick, Disturbed and whoever replaced number q are scum. Rest of you are town.

[the director]

Hi grey

[the director]

wat

[the director]

Oh don't start with that.

[the director]

How is number q / disturbed not scum?

[the director]

Glad to see we agree this game.

pedit: Not sure about that though

Then what was your pedit all about?

[the director]

You roll scum again grey?

[the director]

I'm kinda thinking you did.

[the director]

Whole meta/percentage/"lol read the game yeah he's scum" bit

[the director]

Thankfully klick is obvscum, disappointed he hasn't posted in OVER TWO DAYS MOD

[the director]

You have a kickass gif, I'll give you that.

[the director]

And you aren't flipping town, hyrr durr.

[the director]

Fun stuff. Give me the TL;DR of the game plox

[the director]

You want to bus your buddy thats fine by me.

[the director]

Answer the question. I want confirmation for tomorrow.

Dude you are voting yourself. Might as well put out a sign that says "vote me for scum"

[the director]

Explain why you are voting for yourself, scum.

[the director]

I extended the game for 24 hours you have time to give reads, scum.

[the director]

And explain why you voted for yourself.

[the director]

Klick is grey bussing you?

[the director]

Want to take a bullet for klick?

[the director]

How the hell is klick still breathing?

[the director]

Seriously, I left this game thinking his hammer was a lock. What the actual eff.

[the director]

New rule. Next person to post that isn't voting kick and isn't hammering klick is scum. No exceptions.

[the director]

Hey klick, according to director's post you should come in here and unvote so that you'll be scum with no exceptions.

ohwait I ruined it by posting to tell you this.

Apparently I'm scum now, what are you going to do?

Too easy. Way too easy.

[the director]

Nekoko's reasoning for voting elsewhere is so transparent the fact it isn't obvtown is disgraceful. I find it interesting she was the target of the D2 quick wagon.

VOTE: guille2015

His last post was basically "hey guys I think the target of the current wagon is scummy but I'm just here to test the waters before posting."

He needs to get to L-1 ASAP. Let's see how he handles pressure.

[the director]

By the way all town PRs should claim and we wait for counter claims. That is all.

[the director]

And MagnaofIllusion gets a scum point for not calling for even the vig to claim.

[the director]

Since Nekoko has been put at L-1 once already I’m going to go ahead and claim myself since my claim gives scum the toughest decision at Night.

I’m the Town Back-up Role Cop

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@Nekoko

– You were at L-1. Why didn’t you claim? Guile had already expressed intention to vote you.

Then the vig should never risk the game by shooting someone if we mislynch today?

Nope. If I were the Vig I’d probably shoot given a 60% chance of success without applying reads (assuming I got buy in from JK and BackUp RoleCop to claim). But it is a risk and a bad shot basically makes the Vig the goat. It really is going to depend on how confident the Vig is in their abilities.

Is role claiming frequently done during MYLO in this forums?

In an open set-up it should be done 100 out of 100 times. As it forces scum to either counter-claim (and risk being lynched or shot) or allow Town Powerroles to become confirmed.

Roleclaiming in actual LYLO doesn’t necessarily help Town as it freely allows Scum to counter-claim and win outright on a mis-lynch. Here’s a link to an example –

Open 320. This was the alternate setup (Mafia began with the Jailkeeper and Town began with the RoleCop) but the result shows why mass-claiming (or in the case of this game limited Role Claiming) before LYLO is good.

Magua was nailed by SleepyKrew (actual RoleCop) in 7 person LYLO (Vig already dead, all scum alive). I counterclaimed Sleepy’s claim of RoleCop and one Townie was convinced to vote with Magua, Stefan B and I as opposed to Sleepy and the rest of Town.

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Nekoko's reasoning for voting elsewhere is so transparent the fact it isn't obvtown is disgraceful. I find it interesting she was the target of the D2 quick wagon.

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His last post was basically "hey guys I think the target of the current wagon is scummy but I'm just here to test the waters before posting."

So who are the scum bandwagonning the player you softly call Obv-Town Director? Why no attention to the players actually making the votes?

By the way all town PRs should claim and we wait for counter claims. That is all.

And MagnaofIllusion gets a scum point for not calling for even the vig to claim.

Nope. The Vig should remain hidden. The remaining VT roles serve as a buffer to the Vig making it riskier for scum to try to kill the Vig. The Backup and Jailkeeper claiming makes sure the Vig doesn’t shoot them accidently and narrows down their pool of “Who can possibly be scum” to worst case (on a mislynch) a 3 in 5 chance of killing scum if they risk the shot.

But your posts today and yesterday make me confident enough in dropping a vote on your slot.

VOTE: Director

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They just read as bad. I don't see how town would come in and declare an obvscum and then give out a team of the most suspicious players that had been mentioned. (although it did somehow exclude Nekoko)

That’s not what I asked. You didn’t commit to Director as scummy here … just incompetent. So why should a player (who you don’t think is scum) and their comments change your read on a player you did think was scum if they are just a bad player?

@Mod, if we get to 3v3 with both the jailkeeper and the vig alive, does the game continue going?

Why are you asking this? If you really wanted to know you’d go to Post 2 and read the publicly stated Mafia Wincon –

Win condition:
You win when the Mafia obtain a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Clearly the Mafia getting to 3-3 is not a majority so not an instant win. It does require Town to either lynch correctly (or lose before Night actions can happen) or go to Night with a No Lynch and hope that both the Jailkeeper correctly blocks / protects the Mafia kill and the Vig doesn’t shoot Town. So not exactly a scenario that is worth risking without factors (like 1 of the scum being outed due to claims and flips).

At a gut level I really don’t like this as it looks like Faux “Look at How Helpful I am” Town Cred-grabbing.

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Because I haven't been paying much attention to what you're actually posting since you wall too much and it's hard for me to read. Couldn't you tell just from our earlier conversation?

If you are Town stop playing Mafia then because this is such a load of crap.

Yeah I'm not reading all of that. Can I get the Sportscenter highlight version of that book you just wrote? Kthx.

[the director]

Yeah I'm not reading all of that. Can I get the Sportscenter highlight version of that book you just wrote? Kthx.

Nope reading isn't a hardship Tex.

I'll take it you aren't counterclaiming since my claim was right up front.

I'll take it that you are paranoid about getting counterclaimed.

[the director]

I'll take it that you are paranoid about getting counterclaimed.

Nope. I'd love to be. Because then we can 1 v 1 and with a Scum flip of said counter-claimer I'm both confirmed Town and scum are down one player.

Why are you too lazy to read a post that is hardly long? Is it a smoke-screen for you knowing you don't want to actually have to comment on what I posted?

I'm going to give myself a concussion with the amount of head slamming I'm currently doing.

Read. Between. The. Lines.

Still waiting for that short version, champ.

[the director]

VOTE: the director

You wanna out yourself as scum you go right ahead.

[the director]

Confirm vote: the director

Fair enough. You might want to start drawing up how you are going to start bussing guillie.

[the director]

Why aren't you voting me if you think I'm scum?

Cause I'm voting guille, durr.

[the director]

Still waiting for that short version, champ.

Well expect to be waiting a long, long time (like forever).

If you aren't an Alt - this is my playstyle. It's not changing.
If you are an Alt (in which case you are Faraday most likely) - You probably have played with me and thus know it is a stupid request.

You do realize that long posts from town are almost as bad as town injecting WIFOM into the game?

Besides short posts that boil down what you are trying to say are far more effective than posting long-winded posts that do nothing but confuse anyone trying to read them. Plus the game turns into homework, and eyes glass over. You don't want to post short posts for your reads? Fine. But you are kidding yourself if you are going to convince anyone but scum to vote for me.

[the director]

I completely suspect that both nekoko and The Director are both mafia. Some hints here and there in their ISO, but today's action are pretty much clear to me.

Vote Director

Oh. My. God. U Suck.

Seriously though. You really are acting like a nervous scum.

[the director]

This game is at a paranoid standstill because town is afraid to lynch anyone and scum is lurking and waiting for the chance to lynch a town and move into tonight with a good chance of winning.

guille needs to be lynched. His testing the waters post to start out the day was the most telling. He needs more votes. Now.

[the director]

Kinda pissed that Magna is town because his posting not only has the town freaked, but his long posts are screwing up the reads for everyone.

[the director]

Hmm Magna you are right based off pure VCA for today. I find it strange that scum would have two votes on me, so its probably one or the other. Guille seems the more scummy of the two based on his toe-dipping at the start of the day.

Cheery just basically admitted that he is fence-sitting the top two wagons, which is suspect.

And I'd either go with one of the prod-skippers / dodgers as the third.

[the director]

Crap after reading over the game I am no longer comfortable with my reads. I need to go back and re-assess. Will try to post them tonight.

[the director]

Yeah Nekoko needs to claim.