Open 456: Faith Plus One [Game Over]

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nvm I wasn't reading -_-

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VOTE: antihero

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Hey antihero, you should vote Majiffy, so that when he comes we'll have a self voting trio!

/sarcasm

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I'm sorry buldermar, with all due respect, Zar just reminded me of 559 and I'm gonna park my vote there again: VOTE: RedCoyote. much more confident in RC than antihero. Zar's post brought it all up again.

post 491 by abaddom made me think. it's like, the entire game only abaddon and Majiffy called me scum. they are the same slot. that agreement with self replacement...dunno what to think about that...

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*sigh* my activity through the site has decreased significantly. I hope this will change soon.

anyways: @antihero: from zar's post I got the feeling that he was going to vote RC or you. I can definitely get behind both of these votes.

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oh I also wanted to say: Majiffy, you have not presented any valuable content in this game except calling me scum and reducing baseline's thoughts as 'town tells are droppable'. Considering your predecessor, I can also get behind a wagon on you, I guess.

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Yeah. I'll

vote: ma jiffy

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it is l-1, did you forget to mention or just didn't notice?

Anyway. My vote is parked on majiffy, when onlyme and scumread rc are there as counter wagon? Illogical.

So I'm expressing will to hammer. If he flips scum, who.do you guys think.his partner is? I think the vote and minitenneling on ma jiffy is bussing .

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No probes. The fact that I have time is surprising as well

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Unless the scumteam is all in {AntiHero, Majiffy, RachMarie}, there should be a goon in the greygnarl wagon.

Psst, that scum is Shos.

Amazing content!

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Yay! U so helpful!

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Can I yell at you now?

*yells*

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if baseline is scum, I'm totally going to swallow my monitor.

Looking forward to that

first content post

supposed case of yours majiffy.

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On a reread, I think that a Zar/antihero couple should not be removed from the options list. I think Zar is town - don't get me wrong - I strongly support the {antihero, RC, majiffy} group as scumteam+1 - but the reasoning you gave for Zar/antihero are not satisfying for me and I couldn't find any other reason for that pair to be unlikely. so if antihero is scum, Zar should not be excluded in lylo.

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can anyone remind me why I'm not hammering..?

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yeah...I doubt that...I'd lynch you over the CE crumbs thing alone, lol. you're still alive because baseline needs to finish his input before the day ends.

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Going to take another hour break then will get to the rest.

Just let me hammer.......

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RC+Majiffy is still workable imo. what you mentioned as stuff that you don't think a partner would say - I say exactly the contrary. it's EXACTLY that nonchalantly talking, that fencesitting, that a scum would want to talk about a partner. "ya paper tiger" ok. cool. yay. but that's not a 'town' or 'scum'. it's just AROUND, tipping toes to avoid taking a concrete stance. he called him town, then attacked him, then they keep distancing with that idiot pool etc. I don't agree with that ruling out and I highly support that couple, not to mention the fact that I have an independent scumread on both stronger than antihero.

I'm going to go over Antihero's relations with CE, and if I don't find anything that will make me rethink, I am going to hammer RC.

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Alright so in DC's ISO there's precisely three mentions of CE - the first is when he 'believes the claim' and so thinks she's town, the second when he just mentioned her as a popular target, and the third is a vote, 1 page before the lynch. classic "I do not want to bus but now the lynch cannot be stopped". another thought I came through by this, btw: all four of us {me, baseline, zar and antihero} were on CE's wagon. all the others flkipped town. is it possible that NO SCUM bussed?.. >_>...this supports antiheroscum...

moving on to antihero's ISO. well obviously no mentions of CE there. but Ikinda like that ISO. he's saying logical stuff. yeah that push on Zar seems out of the way and really wierd and stuff, but the rest of the posts..RC lynch is so much better..

*sigh*
I'll go get eleventies(The Hobbit, anyone?) and think after I eat.


ninjad: in a sec

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Well I dunno baseline, I don't know about any examples to give you, but I think that *I* would have said such stuff as scum to a partner. See, I always try to evolve my scumplay - so when I was right in that game with bulder where we lost to Voided - when I managed to get a scumlynch in 5plylo based on what I considered a scum-partners-wouldn't-do-that - I learn, and as scum I just might do that.

point is, you get the *feeling* that he wouldn't say that to a partner; but in true fact, it does not promote the game in any way, and is just fluff between partners that make them look separated/too-connected.
so in general yeah, I don't want to exclude that partnership.

Look, I'll think about it, I eat a lot so there's time


err ninja'd again...one sec..

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I'll think about it.

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be here in an hour or so in case you want to prevent me hammering lol

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in 161 he puts FT exactly in the middle.
I find post 980 intriguing.

I admit to have only skimmed with CTRL+F because "DC" is in "reDCoyote" and stuff but nevermind, I want to hammer. I'm giving you a while to say otherwise if you really wish

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well you're right, but not right ENOUGH, imo. RC's interactions with CE are waaaaay worse imo as I've repeatedly said, and well, I am very confident we'll get a scumflip with an RC lynch. we could be both right you know.

soooo you haven't given me some extreme unwillingness to lynch RC so I'm going to hammer now. may the schwartz be with us. VOTE: RedCoyote.

RC, if you get here before the mod - final reads etc, assuming you haven't given already, I don't care to go back and look right now.

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we still have a mislynch to spare, worst case. I have 100% success rate in 5p lylos lol XD
if RC flips town, then there REALLY is no possible situation imo in which antihero is town. there's literally no way. no frekin way you're scum, and Zar is too SOOOOOOO unlikely to be scum, and a rach/maj scumteam just seems so implausible. going back to earlier - that means a DG/abddon team. if that's the case, monitor is going to be swallowed

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actually I'd go with a majiffy lynch whatever happens. RC-Maj scumteam is my best result, and if RC is town then it's probably Maj/antihero. I don't suppose there's much difference if he flips town, but if he flips scum, then Maj is a safer bet. an RC/antihero team looks less likely to me than RC/maj.

I believe that concludes my thoughts for today in case I die. so cross oyur fingers..

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one last note:
Rach's posted, on average, 1 post in every 20 posts (20/400). I know that it was all RL stuff in part of the time, but just in case we get to lylo and I'm dead, consider looking at her postcount %s meta.

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I've caught up though I'm too tired right now to post a lot of analysis. I pretty much agree with RedCoyote - Radelle, Abbadon, bulder in order from strongest to weakest town-read - Declan, Aether, Fur in order from strongest to weakest scum-read. I don't have clear reads on anyone else yet. shos has spent a lot of his recent posts just asking for content from lurkers, which is understandable, but it also seems like an easy way to appear pro-town without doing any scum-hunting, so not sure what to make of that yet. rapid definitely lurks as scum, so his inactivity here is definitely disconcerting. But I'll have to see how that plays out as well before making any definite assesments.

@RedCoyote, to answer your question, I was speaking somewhat ironically in my first post - rapid introduced me to mafiascum and has voted me first in every game I've played with him, so his vote wasn't exactly random...

For now, I'm gonna put my vote on Fur to keep our options open and cause his vote on Abbadon is terrible.

unvote vote Fur

for reference

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Hi guys, I I'm on phone so ill respond thoroughly in the weekend.

I support antihero Lynch.

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Yeah I know but well others need to post ughts too so it's not toobtoobtoobad

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I get a computer tomorrow so yay. I promise content

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In case you didn't get the message majiffy, I joined the army 13 days ago, and that's why I became inactive. I I'm on my way home now do ill read your case in around two hours

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I know right ^_^

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Yeah please give me some time here yo. I caught up with one game so far and have 2 more games to catch up with and stuff. I got back from the army like 5 hours ago and only organized and told stories and ate and did some checkups irl till now so I'm slowly getting to it. I'm terribly tired, but I'll do it today, hold your breaths. just gimme an hour or so, probably even less.

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Yo I caught up with that other game. I'm dead tired. seriously. Ima wake up in some few hours and get here.

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Holy shit man I just read your case and I have absolutely no case to defend against that's just a bunch of links and calling names. this is what I tend to call usually 'forced case 101' - go over a person's entire ISO and point out 'bad' things in it. so that's practically what you did - whenever I said something good about CE you say I'm defending buddy, whenever I vote him I'm bussing, whenever I'm voting someone else it's a wagonhop, etc. your case - is not a case - but merely a fake scumhunting attempt, and a really bad one. get out of that tunnel if you're town man. read up antihero's slot. think a little. you're a good player mostly, so it seems like you just got lazy here, picked a person and ISOed him and tunnel him to the end of the world(which passed 10 minutes ago - 21:22 21/12/2012)...

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I'm not going to vote yet because this chkflip needs to catch up and comment and stuff, but I have to say that I think it seriously sucks that he replaced in just now, because now he cannot defend against any antihero case I may build. so it's going to be kinda hard on me to try and rethink my vote; the best option possible for him is to actually make a better, more in depth and convincing case on someone else (probably rach or maj) and make me vote THEM.

at the moment, I'm like 90% sure antihero slot was scum; so the real big question is if it is rach or maj. I'll go with something like 75% that it is Majiffy, but I really need to reread rach for this kind of analysis.

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1. Appeal to other people..? Is that bad?

2. Do you realize that it's catch 22?
You've condemned me regardless of what I do.

3.yes I am trying to discredit yourcayour car our case obviously.


4.im sorry, but perhaps I mixed it_ have I I said anything about meta?

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1. Appeal to other people..? Is that bad?

The way in which you're doing it - indirectly, through a dismissive "argument" with me - yes.

2. Do you realize that it's catch 22?
You've condemned me regardless of what I do.

Funny thing about being scum, that.

3.yes I am trying to discredit yourcayour car our case obviously.

Refute and discredit are two very different things, mind you. But thanks for admitting to anti-town behavior.

4.im sorry, but perhaps I mixed it_ have I I said anything about meta?

I'm just saying that it makes no sense to assume I'm doing something that makes no sense for me to ever do, ever.

1 - I don't get it. if I said, "Yo zar!" before everything I wrote - aka, appeal to them directly - it makes it okay? what "argument" are you talking about? there is really no content discussion here; you just picked everything I did and called it bad names. I really don't get it.

2 - ????
you mean, "funny thing about being in a tunnel" maybe?

3. I discredit your case by saying that there is nothing for me to refute. at all. how is that anti-town behavior?

4. why does it make no sense? you replcaed into a 40+ pages game, so instead of reading it all, you picked a person and never said anything about anyone else at all. your response btw is in no way related to my question, lol.

RachMarie + shos/Zar, I think.

VOTE: RachMarie

any reasoning for that? why did you exclude Majiffy?

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also just in case you didn't notice - we're in lylo, so you should really be sure when you place a vote >_>

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because they have been in the game longer, so they probably already know it's lylo...you just replaced in...

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Zar is very town to me.
the other three can all be scum.

my strongest scumread was on you, then probably Majiffy. I think it terribly antitown that you replaced in now -_- cuz you can't defend etc.

here's an interesting POV. I want to hear what you have to say about your predecessors posts.

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well part of your job in catching scum is to convince us to lynch them too. at the moment, I am pretty much convinced that I will be voting you. you cannot defend stuff you did not say - but you can at least express your opinion, or TRY to convince me to vote rach over you.

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This situation is very problematic for me, since as I said, my scumread on you cannot be refuted. so gimme your best shot and we'll see. a Rach+Maj team...is odd butnot impossible.

for reference - Baeline thought this:

DGs questioning and posts directed towards Abaddon such as Post 43 and Post 47 point to non-partners. His "Goddamn are you stupid Abaddon. Those two posts you quoted mean the same thing. " towards Abaddon in Post 76 really does not look like a comment to a scum partner at all. His Post 143 of "If I get back to L-1 and anyone wants to ask for a claim, just let Abaddon make one up. He's been pushing this wagon, right? (So when I flip town....)" is really really not partner talk. If that's not enough though his Post 248, Post 250 and Post 255 really confirm them as non-partners. So happy to remove #12.

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Maj, you clearly think I'm scum, who do you think is my partner and why?

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hmm.

Now that you made me think - it is extremely reckless. if she was town - then I would've already been quickhammered; both you, me, majiffy and antihero were online and she really isn't that active.

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This kinda points to a 1v1 between me and rach. let me think about this a bit more to make sure.

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fuck this

VOTE: Rachmarie

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Zar please don't be scum :\

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Holy shit. I can't believe you're scum.

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OH WAIT MAN I JUST CAN

YEAHHHHHHH

this game was amazing guys.

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http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/jk4SYs5hyg894

mafia thread.

Who knows what would have happened if RBD survived...
I have to laugh incredibly at the N1 actions.

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City your interactions were very helpful indeed.

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So, Bulder. You should at least not cut and paste that crap if you are going to muddy games with it. Put some effort in.

I random VOTE: Aether because he loves having votes on him

I see my pal ImJadenYuki is here. Hi buddy!

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an you be any more hypocritic, telling him to put more effort and then doing absolutely nothing, lol.

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r perhaps "he loves having votes" is a good scumhunting reason.

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osts like that should just not be posted -_-

just a note read our QT i think, its first parts are interesting.